This seemed good until I saw the final value fees up to $25 have went up over 3%; http://pages.ebay.com/sell/update08/basic/ http://pages.ebay.com/sell/update08/feature/
Ebay lowers listing/gallery fees and ups the final value fees!!!!
This seemed good until I saw the final value fees up to $25 have went up over 3%; http://pages.ebay.com/sell/update08/basic/ http://pages.ebay.com/sell/update08/feature/
What a complete joke. Drop the listing fee by a nickel or two and jack up the final value fee by several percentage points which is WAY more costly in the long run. Glad I'm moving more and more of my business off of the ripoff that is Ebay.
holy crap I liked the free galery photos but 8.5% final value fees on the first $25.
That just covers that cost... Reducing the listing fee by 40 cents (with gallery, which everyone should be using anyway), and increasing FVF on the first $25 to cover it. That's 65 cents max, so it's an increase of a quarter if your item sells for $25. If it sells for $10 or 15, you are saving money...Originally Posted by dave2236
Don't forget the new Feedback changes:
http://pages.ebay.com/services/forum/new.html
Want to leave negatives for bad buyers? Yes? Well I am sorry, but it seems that's a thing of the past
With all these changes, how are sellers even going to stay in business?
Last edited by -_-Nintendo-_-; 01-29-2008 at 07:02 PM.
Hopefully, only the _GOOD_ sellers will...Don't forget the new Feedback changes:
http://pages.ebay.com/services/forum/new.html
Want to leave negatives for bad buyers? Yes? Well I am sorry, but it seems that's a thing of the past
With all these changes, how are sellers even going to stay in business?
If a buyer leaves a neg, but doesn't dispute the final value credit, the neg gets removed (that's the protection they've chosen). So, if he didn't have a legit reason to leave a neg, it goes away. If a final value credit happens more than 3 or 4 times to any one buyer, he gets suspended.
Sellers that really are scumbags will get hammered with neg feedback, and the buyers don't have to worry about getting negative retaliatory feedback.
It'll probably cause problems at first, but if we are all lucky, it might actually prove useful in the end...
Rik
Jeez, what an absolute joke. Both changes. Giving people a piece of penny candy with one hand and using the other to gouge out another asshole. Real pleasant, ebay, thanks.
Here's my feedback thread: http://www.digitpress.com/forum/show...ht=FantasiaWHT
Why in the hell can't buyers get negative feedback? As someone who has sold to more than 700 people I can say with 100% certainty that this is a bad idea. Just paying for an item does not mean someone should get a positive feedback. That's the first step, yes, but a transaction can turn ugly really fast a buyer wants it to. Yet another step to help buyers but screw sellers.
And why is feedback that is more than one year old worthless now?
I have been using ebay for over eight years and it just seems to get worse and worse.
Seems to me the feedback change will suck a bit for good sellers, but will hurt the bad sellers (of which there are many) quite a bit more. Since feedback is worthless now anyways, I think a change is in order. Seems like sellers should now be able to refuse bids from buyers with less than 5 or 10 feedback, since a bad buyer could rack up a number of transactions and still sit at 0 feedback.
As to feedback expiring, well, I don't think people really care whether you have 100 at 100% or 1000 at 99%, so I doubt it will matter much. In fact, as it is now I often prefer to buy from those 10 or 20 rated sellers with perfect feedback, since they are less likely to have mis-represented something (intentionally or not) and less likely to lose it (basically, they are more like me as a hobby buyer/seller).
Its funny... as someone who has really only ever bought on eBay, Im glad to see these changes. As someone pointed out above, the fee changes barely cause a dent (the volume of complaints show that sellers are either not doing the math or dont fully understand the change)
The feedback changes, I think, are great. As a buyer, Id like for all of you professional ebayers here to articulate to me exactly what recourse I have ever had on eBay when one of your bretheren are bad? (which has happened to me and nearly every buyer at some point in the past)
You get to leave a neg feedback. Wow. Thats great. Meanwhile, your money is gone, you may have a wrong product or no product at all, and the seller can really return the favor by hitting YOU with a negative feedback right back. eBay has never been willing to do anything about unscrupulous sellers unless they are out and out criminals and taking it to court is generally ridiculous unless its a big ticket item.
I've lost at least a couple of hundred on jerkoff sellers over the years. SOME kind of protection is long overdue.
Cornelius - a seller that doesnt like the bidder they are seeing can always just end the auction early right?
If ebay is so horrible, then set up your own store somewhere and see if you end up better off. Seems a lot of people have made a lot of incredibly easy money off of ebay (a monkey can sell on ebay - big difference from setting up your own store), but now begrudge them any kind of increase in fees to cover operational cost increases. As a professional seller, you're really a partner in an online business. At the point you can do it cheaper yourself, they lose. But I suspect they did their homework and the real numbers on this are still very attractive to sellers.
As a former Power Seller with 1950 feedback I have to say I am THRILLED with the feedback change.
It's about GD time a buyer can leave a negative without fear of retaliation.
Only sellers that leave retaliatory feedback will be the ones complaining.
There's another, bigger thread going on in Off-Topic (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112228), so if you've read my responses there, I might be repeating myself.
Wrong. I have done the math for several different common scenarios I run into on a daily basis.
Item starting at 9.99, ends at 17:
CURRENT FEES:
listing fee: .40
gallery: .35
FVF: .89
total: $1.64
FUTURE FEES:
listing fee: .35
gallery: free
FVF: 1.49
total: $1.84
Difference: $.20
Item starting at 24.99, ends at 32:
CURRENT FEES:
listing fee: .60
gallery: .35
FVF: 1.31 + .23 = 1.54
total: $2.49
FUTURE FEES:
listing fee: .55
gallery: free
FVF: 2.19 + .25 = 2.44
total: $2.99
Difference: $.50
Item starting at .01, ends at $80:
CURRENT FEES:
listing fee: .20
gallery: .35
FVF: 1.31 + 1.79 = 3.10
total: $3.65
FUTURE FEES:
listing fee: .15
gallery: free
FVF: 2.19 + 1.93 = 4.12
total: $4.27
Difference: $.62
For a mid-range seller who typically has ~50 items listed per week, that's at least a 50 cent increase per item, times 50 is $25 lost per week! Fifty cents here and there isn't such a big deal if you sell one or two things per month, but when it's a relied-upon source of revenue, it hurts.
Pay with Paypal and if the seller is unwilling to work with you, file a dispute and begin the chargeback process if necessary. Part of my job is buying things to resell, and over the last several years, I haven't lost one cent to scams or bad sellers as a buyer.As a buyer, Id like for all of you professional ebayers here to articulate to me exactly what recourse I have ever had on eBay when one of your bretheren are bad? (which has happened to me and nearly every buyer at some point in the past)
Even if you pay with a check, most banks offer a check stopping procedure. There is really no excuse to ever be taken as a buyer on ebay. The protection and security is already there. As a seller, not so much...
How are you paying? Cash in an envelope? Are you aware that Paypal exists? I really don't understand this.I've lost at least a couple of hundred on jerkoff sellers over the years. SOME kind of protection is long overdue.
Statements like this make it obvious you've never sold a single item on ebay before, even if you hadn't told us already. "Easy money" only comes to those sellers who truly understand the market and have a good way of consistently getting high-quality items to sell. There are thousands of sellers out there who make next to nothing, or in some cases, lose money because they don't understand what they're doing or how the process works.Seems a lot of people have made a lot of incredibly easy money off of ebay (a monkey can sell on ebay - big difference from setting up your own store)
Part of the problem is that ebay really is the only way to sell unique non-Amazon-style products. It's just like gas prices; ebay can jack their fees up, and a majority of sellers will just suck it up, do what they can to make up the lost money, and deal with it.
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Absolutely not. In the other thread, esquire said it perfectly, so I'm going to quote him here:It's about GD time a buyer can leave a negative without fear of retaliation.
Only sellers that leave retaliatory feedback will be the ones complaining.
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I don't think trhe new feedback changes are going to work very well.
ALL HAIL THE 1 2 P
The point is that giving a negative feedback to a buyer is USELESS !!!!
A buyer will still bid on your auctions or use your BIN option. Unless you continually monitor your auctions there is nothing you can do about it.
And by far the VAST majority of negative feedback to buyers is just retaliatory. That is a FACT that can not be disputed. Look at almost EVERY Power Seller and you will see that they ALWAYS leave negatives if they receive them.
The old feedback system didn't work and that also is a FACT.
Don't kid yourselves: this is all about the money. It's no coincidence that the fee increase follows only days after ebay reported lowered earnings dragged down by the Skype fiasco, slowed growth, and poor prospects for the coming year.
You can't change ebay's behavior by complaining about it: you have to hit them in thier wallets. Pick a day (I suggest 2/20, the day the new fees start) and boycott ebay. Don't bid on or sell anything that day. Or for a week, or a month. Try selling your items on craigslist (at, say, 20% below normal ebay prices to account for the no fee listings and no shipping hassles) then only list on ebay if that doesn't work. Sell here on DP.
Fight back, or quit bitching.
#1 - Saying something is a fact does not make it so.
#2 - If giving a negative feedback to buyers is useless, then why do buyers care if they get retaliatory feedback?
I've always felt that a better way to solve the retaliatory feedback "problem" is by keeping the feedback you've received hidden from you until you leave feedback. Bam - problem solved - nobody can ever leave "feedback on feedback".
Here's my feedback thread: http://www.digitpress.com/forum/show...ht=FantasiaWHT
If only things like this actually worked. As long as people continue to make their living on ebay, then ebay will continue to survive off of the incumbent fees.
ebay, like most businesses, cares more about it's stock price than it's profits, and stock price depends on the *anticipation* of profit growth. Boycotts, even limited ones, scare the hell out of investors. A few years back, ebay was forced to back off increased store fees when several store owners went public with thier intention to abandon ebay. No reason the same thing can't work here, but it won't work if you don't try.
I'm not sure, I'd have to read the TOS again to see the official position on that. Of course, they can use the 'item no longer available' thing, but that seems shady at best, and something good sellers avoid.
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