the ps2 had well over 50% of the total market share, sony expected to at least hold serve with their language and actions before the ps3 launch
and i use the term failure relative to a companys expectations, nobody at sega figured the saturn would run away with the 32bit market
Last edited by chrisbid; 08-04-2009 at 08:08 AM.
from what i have seen personally, people buy a ps3 just for the specs, when in reality many of the people buying ps3s are not even gamers, they just buy it and have it sit their and say, oh ya i own the most advanced and best technology filled game system. either that or they used to have a ps2 and figure hey ill get a ps3. The original xbox had a lot of haters and that scared them away from getting into 360.
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Think it's probably time to bring the Wii HD into the conversation. People already bought the Wii, most of these people will have the PS3 and/or the 360. Once the motion sensing comes out on Sony's and Microsoft's systems, the Wii will have nothing about it that is superior to the other systems as the only gimmick it has is being used by the other two.
This will be when Nintendo decides to bring out its next console which will probably be a failure. The way things are going I see the PS3 lasting atleast 10 years and if a non RRoD 360 comes out, same thing. However, how many people are going to go and buy the Wii HD with graphics that can be compared to systems like the PS3 and 360 at $400 because it's a new system, only to be pretty sure that when the next gen comes out, there will be another Nintendo system lined up alongside Sony's and Microsoft's systems? I say $400 because the Wii right now at $250 being nothing more than a Gamecube with a gimmick controller is quite a bit overpriced and has been ever since it was announced. You'll be able to get Sony and Microsoft's gimmicks and still play the same games, so why buy another system? The exclusives really won't cut it for how few Nintendo actually releases that are good.
Also. How many people other than completely die hard Nintendo fans or most casual gamers will buy the system after the complete failure of the Wii when it comes to both third party and first party support. Hopefully people realize that even Nintendo hasn't supported the Wii as much as Sony and Microsoft support their consoles. I'd like to see that shitty company go back to where they belong. Where handheld is the only device worth getting(well, they're already there, but some people don't realize it.)
Last edited by kupomogli; 08-04-2009 at 09:07 AM.
Everything in the above post is opinion unless stated otherwise.
The bottom line is the Wii has been a novelty piece of shit since launch, and that novelty (mostly around the motion sensing) I think has run its course. The Wii's software lineup is complete shit aside from the usual great 1st party games. A cheap sticker price and useless peripherals don't always equal a great console experience, and I think a lot of people are starting to realize that.Originally Posted by kupomogli
I think what happened with the PS3 was Sony had the best intentions of putting out the most powerful and cutting edge console they could, but I think they got a little over ambitious with the PS3 and costs got somewhat out of control, and hopefully they've learned some lessons from that?! However, I still firmly believe the PS3's best days have yet to come. The PS3 game library is on par with the 360 and destroys the Wii's software lineup, it's a very reliable console, a price drop is right around the corner, and Sony has HUGE games coming in the next 6-10 months along with more kick ass titles going into greatest hits I'm sure.
I think there's going to be a major change in the balance of power in the console wars over the next 1-2 years because I think the Wii is already starting to burn out, the 360 will probably continue to sell steadily, but it doesn't have the amount of AAA coming that PS3 has coming. As far as I can see, the PS3 is the only system that has the legs and vast software lineup that will be around in 5 years, cuz the Wii sure won't be and MS will have probably long pulled the plug on the 360 by then.
Last edited by duffmanth; 08-04-2009 at 11:49 AM.
Another way of looking at it is, what if in say 3 years time Nintendo and Microsoft bring out "next-gen" consoles and Sony stays with the PS3? from the mass market point of view (who doesn't pay attention or care about the industry) they will see these consoles as new and therefore 'better' then the previous gen. Sony and PS3 could look like they're standing still and are outdated, possibly forcing Sony to release the PS4 early to stay with the competition. Just something to consider.
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You hit the nail on the head.
And you drove it through the block of wood and out the other side.
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My friend, I know the kool-aid can be strong, but objectively, nobody but Sony "fanboys" are going to have that kind of "glass-half-full" analysis based on the reality of the numbers. If you think the Wii is a "novelty" that is "already starting to burn out" (right -- just watch the sales numbers for "Wii Sports Resort"), and that in 5 years Sony is somehow going to have a free road to reclaiming its market share with a console that continues to languish against its competitors right now, I think you're way off-base. In 5 years Nintendo will have a "Wii HD" -- good luck trying to outsell that console with a PS3 that's been on the market for many years and has shown few signs of life compared to what Nintendo and MS have done. Also, the 360 is supposed to be around more than 5 years (didn't someone just come out and claim 2015 as the approximate start point of the next MS console?), it already has a deeper game lineup than the PS3 and costs less. I don't really have a horse in this race but Sony is up against it, no question, and they've dug themselves a hole that's going to take a long, long time -- and likely huge missteps by their competitors -- to get back to where they were positioned last-gen.I think there's going to be a major change in the balance of power in the console wars over the next 1-2 years because I think the Wii is already starting to burn out, the 360 will probably continue to sell steadily, but it doesn't have the amount of AAA coming that PS3 has coming. As far as I can see, the PS3 is the only system that has the legs and vast software lineup that will be around in 5 years, cuz the Wii sure won't be and MS will have probably long pulled the plug on the 360 by then.
Last edited by phantomfriar; 08-04-2009 at 11:59 AM.
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Way I see it, the "bottom line" is not usually 12 lines of one-sided, half-educated, social media-fed observation combined with wild, baseless speculation.
Nail on the head, not so much. You've done something more along the lines of smashing the piece of wood as loudly as you can to make everyone think you hit the nail.
the only time a console has ever made a comeback was the snes over the genesis. sega outsold nintendo in 91, 92, and 93. nintendo managed a comeback with aggressive pricing, a barrage of exclusive software, and missteps from sega. Even after the alleged 70% reduction in production cost of the PS3, i do not see a 70% price drop... nor a 50% drop to put them in line with the 360 and wii. the exclusives are coming in at a trickle. the missteps from MS and Nintendo are there to take advantage of, but sony will likely not take advantage of the openings
Man, who the heck cares about this crap? It's not going to make a big difference in a few years when we're buying everything for cheap?
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I don't think that they'll overtake Nintendo or Microsoft in this generation in the US in terms of lifetime console sales.
While they're close to MS by a decent margin, and they may overtake them in the short term (month by month) once the gap in price difference between systems normalizes, they're too far in the hole since launch numerically to pull ahead. It'll be a shock to me if they overtake MS long-term and a downright impossibility for them to catch the Wii.
What I DO think that they're absolutely capable of doing is beginning to manufacture a profitable system and over the course of the next 6-7 years (or however long they keep the unit in the market) make up for the money that they've willingly lost in the early years of hardware sales.
Remember, Nintendo trailed in console hardware sales last gen, but avoided bleeding money in the manufacturing costs ... they wound up rather comfortable (healthy DS and GBA sales notwithstanding) despite coming out in last pace with units sold.
Microsoft are going to be in a hole financially from hardware sales this gen due to the reported billions already lost in extended warranty/repair/re-design/replacement programs.
Sony is very good at re-designing hardware to minimize cost - PS1, PS2, PS3, and PSP have all seen numerous hardware profiles specifically designed to lower the production cost of the unit, and Sony has generally done an excellent job of passing along those savings to consumers.
Again, I see no reason why a profitable PS3 in the market for the remainder of this console generation isn't possible. Sony is trailing but they're healthy enough to stick it out and make the best of it.
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More personal opinion than speculation. BTW I never claimed to be hitting the nail on the head!
No, it isn't. Straw manning never makes for a good conversation. Jeez, Sony can't even capture 25% of the market of their own threads...
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"And the book says: 'We may be through with the past, but the past ain't through with us.'"
Whenever I sell a PS3 at the store, it's because "I rather buy a PS3 than a standalone BluRay! The PS3 has a BD player, and for $100 or so, I get a console!".
It's the same argument I hear at work over and over again. Yet those same customers rarely buy any games.
Unfortunately, this is the same argument I hear every day at GameFaqs and other similar boards. While you might be right about "the best has yet to come", that phrase should be applied on games than on console sales. It's rare, and I have rarely seen a console jump from third place to first years after it's release. Games might improve and help console sales, but I seriously doubt it will put Sony back to 1st place. The damage has already been done, and now all they can do is help the console at least reach 2nd place (which I also doubt, since the X360 is doing great as it is).
Has a price drop ever helped a console beat it's competition for first place? I admit, I don't recall any.
Unfortunately, the same can be said about past consoles battling it out for first place. Xbox fans said the same thing last generation...never happened. Same as GameCube fans. Same as Saturn fans. Same as N64 fans.I think there's going to be a major change in the balance of power in the console wars over the next 1-2 years because I think the Wii is already starting to burn out, the 360 will probably continue to sell steadily, but it doesn't have the amount of AAA coming that PS3 has coming. As far as I can see, the PS3 is the only system that has the legs and vast software lineup that will be around in 5 years, cuz the Wii sure won't be and MS will have probably long pulled the plug on the 360 by then.
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Happened in the 16-bit era. Towards the end of '94, Nintendo started outselling Sega, after three years of being #2. Although it probably had nothing to do with a price drop (but you could argue that the first Genesis price drop in '91 gave it a boost).
Correction: this is the same THREAD you hear every day at GameFAQs and other similar boards. I suicided both of my accounts there because I was fucking sick of these types of threads, and now I'm back to square one... grr...
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