Greenpeace calls out Nintendo, Microsoft in 'Greener Electronics' report [Joystiq]

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We were really hoping that Nintendo and Microsoft could rally after their near-bottom finishes in former annual iterations of Greenpeace's green business practice rankings -- after all, we bet they're pretty sick of getting beat by Nokia. (Ewwww!) Unfortunately, this latest "Guide to Greener Electronics" report (.pdf link) looks a lot like all the previous ones: Nintendo finished dead last, and Microsoft finished not far behind. Sony, on the other hand, finished a bit closer to the middle of the road.

Nintendo gets bashed for its increased greenhouse emissions and for failing to control its e-waste recycling. Microsoft, which fell from 15th place to 17th since last year, lost points for not following the statutes set by the "Restriction of Hazardous Substances in electronics directive." Sony did relatively well in most categories, but also lost a few points for its e-waste management. You know what this means, right? Greenpeace is obviously just a shadow organization for PS3 fanboys. We knew it all along!
Greenpeace calls out Nintendo, Microsoft in 'Greener Electronics' report originally appeared on Joystiq on Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:30:00 EST. Please see our terms for use of feeds.



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[skaar]

Screw Greenpeace and their dolphins :P

[portnoyd]

Screw Greenpeace and their dolphins :P

This.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

We're gonna go eat a dolphin Steve!

[JSoup]

I hear there is going to be a Mario Eats Dolphins for the Wii this Fall.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Screw Greenpeace and their dolphins :P

Funk you dolphin!

[badinsults]

Nintendo always gets poor marks because they never disclose anything to Greenpeace, so they just assume they are terrible. This is dishonesty and poor research on their part.

I mean, with the Wii, Nintendo's engineers actually focused more on reducing power consumption than improving hardware capabilities. The Wii uses far less power than the Gamecube as a result.

[Hawksmoor]

While I think Greenpeace does itself no favors by cultivating a reputation of extremism and fanatacism, their criticisms of Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony are totally valid. Why should corporations be given carte blanche to pollute and generally not give a shit about the environment? Frankly, I'm tired of the attitude many still seem to have which, either overtly or subvertly, says "I can consume whatever I want and as much of it as I want and not give a fuck about the impact that it has". That's just selfish.

It's time we realized that being Americans doesn't entitle us to consume vastly more than any other country on the planet and not give a shit about the fallout. Everything we do or do not do has consequences, and those consequences can't simply be ignored because we're apathetic, arrogant, ignorant, or whatever the case may be. The age of excess and consumerism needs to come to an end, and if calling out corporate polluters is a part of that process, I'm all for it.

[jb143]

Nokia makes devices that end up in landfills within 2 years. Nintendo makes devices that sit on peoples shelves for 20+ years.

Case closed.

[jcalder8]

Greenpeace is still around?
Wow it's been years since I last heard anything from them and I still don't give a rats ass.

[Breetai]

While I think Greenpeace does itself no favors by cultivating a reputation of extremism and fanatacism, their criticisms of Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony are totally valid. Why should corporations be given carte blanche to pollute and generally not give a shit about the environment? Frankly, I'm tired of the attitude many still seem to have which, either overtly or subvertly, says "I can consume whatever I want and as much of it as I want and not give a fuck about the impact that it has". That's just selfish.

It's time we realized that being Americans doesn't entitle us to consume vastly more than any other country on the planet and not give a shit about the fallout. Everything we do or do not do has consequences, and those consequences can't simply be ignored because we're apathetic, arrogant, ignorant, or whatever the case may be. The age of excess and consumerism needs to come to an end, and if calling out corporate polluters is a part of that process, I'm all for it.

You Americans go on and on...

[Hawksmoor]

You Americans go on and on...

Do you have anything of substance to add to the thread or just a generalized insult directed at Americans?

[monkeychemist]

The PS3 is green because in the winter it doubles as a portable heater for your home.

[skaar]

Do you have anything of substance to add to the thread or just a generalized insult directed at Americans?

The only substance we need here is MORE DOLPHIN.

[jb143]

If you're going to eat a dolphin, just make sure it's not an intelligent one and instead one that blew all his money on instant lottery tickets.

[badinsults]

While I think Greenpeace does itself no favors by cultivating a reputation of extremism and fanatacism, their criticisms of Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony are totally valid. Why should corporations be given carte blanche to pollute and generally not give a shit about the environment? Frankly, I'm tired of the attitude many still seem to have which, either overtly or subvertly, says "I can consume whatever I want and as much of it as I want and not give a fuck about the impact that it has". That's just selfish.

It's time we realized that being Americans doesn't entitle us to consume vastly more than any other country on the planet and not give a shit about the fallout. Everything we do or do not do has consequences, and those consequences can't simply be ignored because we're apathetic, arrogant, ignorant, or whatever the case may be. The age of excess and consumerism needs to come to an end, and if calling out corporate polluters is a part of that process, I'm all for it.

You are just as guilty as Greenpeace for your failure to do your homework. Greenpeace's methodology to calculate their ranks are flawed, primarily because they give poor marks if they do not get the information they require.

The Wii uses less packaging and far less power than the Xbox 360 and the PS3, yet it is ranked behind them? That makes no sense at all.

I'm not saying I disagree with the fact that the rampant excessive consumerism needs to be toned down, but putting out misleading and false information does not help the cause of environmentalism.

[heybtbm]

I'm tired of the attitude many still seem to have which, either overtly or subvertly, says "I can consume whatever I want and as much of it as I want and not give a fuck about the impact that it has".

Who gets to define "impact"? Corporations? Eco-nuts? Governments? Science? They all have vastly different agendas.

It's time we realized that being Americans doesn't entitle us to consume vastly more than any other country on the planet and not give a shit about the fallout.

Except most of the companies in this discussion are not American.

Besides, automobiles are the biggest source of pollution/ecological damage on this planet, not electronics. Guess what country just took that crown (hint: it's not "evil" America). I wonder what the emission regulations and gas milage requirements they have over there (hint #2: NONE).

[Hawksmoor]

You are just as guilty as Greenpeace for your failure to do your homework. Greenpeace's methodology to calculate their ranks are flawed, primarily because they give poor marks if they do not get the information they require.

What's your source? You may well be right, but I'd like to know where your information is coming from. The article itself stated that Nintendo's poor score in the report was based, in part, on greenhouse gas emissions and lackluster recycling. Is it your contention that Greenpeace simply made all that up because they lacked any real info?

The Wii uses less packaging and far less power than the Xbox 360 and the PS3, yet it is ranked behind them? That makes no sense at all.

It makes perfect sense. All you're considering is the energy use of the console itself and how much packaging it has. How about Nintendo's manufacturing process? How much waste do they produce from that manufacturing process? How much of the waste do they recycle? How many pounds of waste do they stick in landfills? It isn't just about the size of the console, the amount of power it uses, and how big the box it comes in is.

I'm not saying I disagree with the fact that the rampant excessive consumerism needs to be toned down, but putting out misleading and false information does not help the cause of environmentalism.

If you're going to say it's false then you need to back that up, and I haven't seen you cite any sources to support your position. However, I will agree that fear mongering and extremism don't do the cause any favors. It is a very, very worthwhile and important cause though, regardless of those that choose not to acknowledge it.

[LaughingMAN.S9]

Screw Greenpeace and their dolphins :P

fuck dolphins.

[skaar]

It makes perfect sense. All you're considering is the energy use of the console itself and how much packaging it has. How about Nintendo's manufacturing process? How much waste do they produce from that manufacturing process? How much of the waste do they recycle? How many pounds of waste do they stick in landfills? It isn't just about the size of the console, the amount of power it uses, and how big the box it comes in is.

I think Nintendo recycles more than any other company ever. They re-release their old titles every 2 years it feels like.