I do my own VGA rating, if it works on my PC, it's VGA.
I do my own VGA rating, if it works on my PC, it's VGA.
Also, I never said they always sell for $300, I said they sell upwards of $300. As in, there are past sales in excess of $300. Please show me where I even infer that it always sells for more than $300
GRRRRR!!! What an evil reseller! I settled for a lower amount than what I had hoped (not expected) because I didn't want to be greedy and was happy to help out a Zelda collector. What a terrible way to go about transactions!
"Wow, Zelda's Adventure has popped up in value lately. For most of 2010, it was going for $150-$200 mint complete and slightly more sealed. I just looked at a couple recent auctions and one complete copy went for $300 and another went for $400. Having said that, I think there may be a misunderstanding among non-CD-i collectors about what these red and white discs are. They are simply store and review demo discs and Philips pressed them by the truckload. I know I have several copies of Zelda's Adventure in both the red and white versions, a European version with a different font as well as several test disc versions. I suspect you will get more from non-CD-i collectors than CD-i collectors on that particular disc. I also suspect this won't go for more than a hundred or two, but I could be wrong given that I haven't seen a copy of the red disc version sell on Ebay in an open auction in the past couple of years. One was listed for $1K for a long while and just ended with a side deal a couple weeks ago. Another sold in a similar way a month or two before. Who knows what those sellers got for them."
I believe in line six I estimate the game would sell for a hundred or two. Look at that, it sold for $200. Guess I was actually spot on.
As for the Vectrex stuff, I simply stated that the last few open auctions had ended at anywhere from $400-$600 in similar condition. Obviously, the one that sold the week before yours went for $1300. Of course, you ended up selling yours for $950 to someone who had bid far more on the first auction. That would lead me to believe that again, trying to estimate actual value based on one sale is just not accurate and stuff doesn't always go up with each sale. So, yes, I'll concede that you sold your item for more than previous auctions I had observed or slightly over 50% more than my estimate. I guess you really showed me.
Until I saw the other posts, I forgot you were part of the infamous duo who side dealed that sealed NES game lot and sold unauthorized copies of copyrighted work to pay for your proto habit. Please let me know when I should stand and slowly applaud all your tremendous contributions to your fellow collectors.
Bicker bicker bicker. All this hair splitting over a non-issue. Tale it to pm. None of us need to hear this.
And to the other points?
Where do I ever say they always sell for over $300?
Where do we ever say we're positive our Imager would sell more than the previous?
Where did we estimate the value of either of those items?
I'm not asking you to applaud anything, but we've done plenty for the classic gaming community over the years and I've given you actually examples. You can ignore it, others appreciate it. What have you done lately?
On the other points, you're right, you didn't use the word "always". You said this:
"Just over $100? I'd sooner use it as a coaster than sell it for that. Is that what they've sold for historically? Was it a red disc or white? Retail copies sell upwards of $300, I was hoping for significantly more. "
The statement "retail copies sell upwards of $300" seems pretty absolute to me. No range or anything, just a statement that they sell for upwards of $300 and you wanted more than that. It also seems like an estimate of the price to me. You didn't specifically say it's worth "X", but you did set the floor at $300 since that's what an ordinary and far less rare retail copy goes for.
On the Vectrex stuff, you're right, I overstated what you said. You simply posted the first auction as a point of reference on which to base your sale and likely to prove to myself and the other collector who posted that we were wrong. Unfortunately, it turned out not to be all that accurate and who knows what a third comparable would go for given the 30%+ drop off in price between the two sales.
I support the classic collecting community by speaking out against profiteers and by helping new collectors and collectors who are actually trying to preserve this history find items at the cheapest price possible. I certainly have never tried selling someone else's hard work and intellectual property or releasing it for free without seeking their permission first. I can't imagine stealing from someone else in that way.
Where did this long, drawn out argument about Vectrex stuff come from? I check back and there's like 50 new posts that don't even seem to be worth reading anymore.
I guess in the grand scheme of time, any EPROMS, whether epoxied or not, will eventually succumb to partial bit erasures due to background radiation. I am curious, whether or not it is possible to recover an unreadable bit-rotted EPROM using forensics? For example, suppose an EPROM that has suffered bit-rot has only partially erased bits on it. If someone used a logic analyser to measure the output voltage on the pins for every single bit of the ROM, suppose a partially erased bit has an output voltage of 4V, but a bit that originally was recorded as a "1" and never was burned, is still 5.0V. They would all show up as logic "1" on any digital TTL circuit, but by recording the analog voltage output of every bit, the results would likely be lower on the "rotted" bits than on the original logic 1s. It would be a painstackingly slow process to read a ROM chip in this manner, but a lot of curropted data could likely be fully recovered.
Forensic scientists have successfully recovered even professionally "wiped" hard drives, because a "1" overwritten by a "1" will be stronger than a "0" overwritten by a "1" and visa-versa, so a even a drive that has been wiped using software, with every bit erased, may still have extremely weak traces of data left on them, though extracting it would be incredibly expensive and time-consuming.
Can anyone explain this. When a collector finds a prototype for sale exactly what is it he should do? This is starting to sound like "the pearl" and collectors should throw them into the sea and avoid all of this.
If he buys it for asking price then he is taking advantage of the seller.
Yet if he believes the prototype is worth more then he is inflating the price.
If he sells a prototype for going rate he again is inflating the price for gain.
Yet if he sells for less than going rate he has been caught in his lie about the price.
If he keeps the prototype it to himself he is a selfish horder.
Yet if he instead dumps the ROM for all to share he is illegally making copies.
There is no prototype collector in the world who can escape wrong doing by these guidelines. Everyone of them has either dumped or not dumped. They have all paid asking price at one time or another when items are posted for sale. If asked for a value they have all quoted prices on items above what someone may have once paid.
I'd suggest if I may that everyone should just calm the heck down.
I've been an, uhm "flipper" for 13 years with the GOAT Store. The reason that I started doing it was because when I would buy games online before that, I didn't know what they would look like when they arrived -- would they be new, used, good, poor, whatever... So we started the GOAT Store so we could hopefully help other people out.
Guess what -- I make a little bit of money off each game I sell. If I didn't, I wouldn't be doing it anymore. Not enough for us to do it full time or anything, or even anywhere close to that, but enough to keep the company open, and enough for us to bankroll the MGC each year.
Even before I did this, I had no problem with others making some money when selling to me. These are their games, and if the market price drives the pricing for those titles up, the market drives prices for those titles up. If not, they'll drop.
If you help people out and sell stuff for the love of the game at cost, that's awesome. But, please don't knock people who do it to get a little extra money -- they are still doing people a favor, and if people want to pay $150 or $300 for a copy of a game, it's their right to do so.
For the record, I know no one involved in this 'feud', it just seems strange to me. Every store you buy a game at is making money off it.
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I've only read the first and last page of this thread. I don't what the fuck this is all about, or how serious some of you are taking this debate, but this Panzerfuzion guy is funny as hell.
I should come here more than.
Will exposing the ROM's or whatever you call it on the cart erase it?
Good god. This thead was about a poor NWC that was ripped apart and left naked and exposed for all the world to see and then whored out for the hope of 2k monies. Whatever the hell this has devolved into with huge amounts of bitching about protos, reselling and all kinds of other shit when it shouldn't have ever been about anything other than the absurdity of grading a loose thing that became some kind of standard bearer for any and all future individuals who were going to be foolish enough to send off their comp carts to get graded at a later date.
If anyone wants to continue their bashing please take it to one of the many threads about protos and their good/bad nature, or resellers and their good/bad nature threads that have been beaten to death here for years.
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