If prices or rarities seem "off", POST THEM HERE

[sharp]

As owner of quite some Neo Geo Pocket games I have the feeling the rarity-ratings are not real right. Some games are put much to high in rarity while others are much more common. So I give my opinion about what it should be in my humble opinion for every game/ items which is misrated.

Baseball Stars JP R3 EUR R8
Japanese version is quite easy to find, the English version is really a pain to find (it took me 2 years to find a copy)

Dive Alert (both versions) JP R3, USA R5, EUR R6-7
I think this game is rarer as most people think, for Europe the rating for Matt's version is completly wrong as they are both hard to find.

Dynamite Slugger JP R4 EUR R6
European version is much rarer then the Japanese. The Japanese version isn't so rare but need some search to be found.

Evolution JP R4 EUR R7
Evolution shows up on ebay still quite sometimes, It is one of the rarer games but I think a R7 rating is more reasonable as the game isn't that hard to get if you have the money. Japanese version isn't hard to find, only don't pop-up so much as the game is complete in Japanese

Faselei JP R4 EUR R6
The Euro version isn't as rare as much people think, it's mainly the reputation of the game which kes it highly sought. So I think a R6 is more reasonable.

Gals Fighter EUR R7
I think the Euro rating is a bit too low and should be 7.

Magical Drop EUR R6
Magical drop in the European version is hard to find these days and is for sure much rare then the R4 it's mentioned now.

Mezase! Kanji Ou JP R8
This game is really hard to find complete boxed and is a R8 for sure

Mizuki Shigeru no Yokai Shashinkan JP R8
I think R8 is more reasonable as the game is also a hell to find.

Neo Geo Cup '98 Plus EUR R8
Much harder to find then most people think. It's one of the games the two games I still miss in my NGP-collection.

Neo Poke Pro Yakyuu JP R6
Japanese version sold much more copies then most people realise, cmore a R6 then R8

Pachinko Hissyou Guide Pocket Parlor JP R9
Almost impossible game to get, maybe the rarest game on the NGP.

Pocket Reversi EUR R8
Less rare as people original thought, but still the hardest to find English Color release

Pocket Tennis EUR R8
Damn this is the other game I still missing, damn hard to catch this game in English version.

Puzzle Link EUR R7
The first part is much harder to find as part 2 so R7 is much more reasonable.

Puzzle Link 2 EUR R6
Think it's a bit harder to find this game so maybe a 6

Samurai Shodown EUR R7-R8
Very hard to find this game, cost me a damn year to find a copy.

Samurai Spirits Special Box JP R5
Not that rare combination of NGP with SS, shows up once every while.

Sonic the Hedgehog Pocket Adventure EUR R3
Certainly not the most common game, still sold a lot but more R3.

This are my suggestions, so I maybe you can give a reaction.

[Mayhem]

In regards to the NGPC titles, I will be doing some adjusting on them anyhow at some point when I return from holiday. Your comments are noted.

Needless to say, the black and white UK titles will be going up in rarity. That's one area I did underestimate in my evaluation (long story here about me being involved with this section) so they will be going up to R7 or R8 levels.

Having said that, I see Samurai Spirits UK b&w fairly often both in people selling and on eBay. That and Pocket Tennis I consider the "easiest" UK b&w titles to get but that's not saying very much. I still need Pocket Tennis myself (have the other four) but I know lots of NGPC collectors with it!

Sonic, to my knowledge is one of the biggest selling NGPC titles with over 100k units. I can find it everywhere. It's definitely not an R3 rarity.

You have to remember that just because titles turn up on eBay frequently, doesn't mean they are less rare. I hardly see Evolution or Faselei for private sale for example. Why? Because everyone knows what they go for and puts in on eBay instead! They are both definitely still some of the hardest UK titles to find.

The equivalent to them on the PS1 for example was the original Dragonball GT. 10k copies, far far less than many other PS1 titles and yet you could still find 4-5 copies on eBay quite often going for big money because people knew its worth. Whereas less publicised "rarer" titles were going for less.

I don't just take eBay to be my source. I take other NGPC collectors and their opinions too.

Dive Alert wise, Matt's version is quite easy to find. Becky's definitely is not. Sales figures I imagine. But I could easily pick up Matt's version UK wise back then and now, but it would take eBay or a lucky private sale to snag Becky. I've been collecting NGPC since 2000 so I've got 5 years worth of searching experience to help me here

So that's staying where it is...

Part of my rarity assessment is based on how many people I know have copies as well. After all, they've gone through the process of hunting down copies as well. To this end, I have seen a few more copies of Pro Yakyuu about so the rarity on that probably will come down a point.

I've seen more complete Ghost Studio than Mezase so GS will probably sit still, and Mezase may go up a point. PlayAsia quite often gets in a copy or two of GS btw if you are still looking for it. It certainly fell in my lap earlier than Mezase. That was one of the last JPN titles I got.

I'm undecided about Pocket Parlor guide. I got my copy EARLY in my collecting career. I know many people after it, but also many people with it. It's one of those marmite entries. Certainly seen more of them in collections than a certain hanafuda title currently ranked R9.

I might drop Pocket Reversi UK to R8. We're still not certain how many are out there in total, last count yielded about 30 complete copies. So it could be somewhere between 50-100. But who knows?

Btw this is my NGPC collection







It's missing NG Cup 98 Plus UK b&w as I got it after these pics were taken...

[sharp]

Thanks for you're information. Yes maybe I'm a bit wrong with my information about some games. I think it's also the difference between the UK, where the distribution of NGP was much mbetter then in the Netherlands, we're distribution stopped after the release of Dark Arms. So here you won't see that many clamshell versions of Sonic. Also I had much more trouble catching Dive Alert Matt, then with the Becky version, but that was years ago.

About Pocket Reversi, I know three owners in The Netherlands, got mine last year for only 10$ brand new.


About the b/w games, I think KoF R-1 is the most common of the English. I see that one popping up every now and then.

Oh and you have a great collection oh and if you find some other copy of Neo geo Cup '98 Plus please point it to me as I really want that game.

[hydr0x]

Pocket Tennis EUR R8
Damn this is the other game I still missing, damn hard to catch this game in English version.

hah, i've got it, boxed and absolutely mint, it came with my NGP i bought from ebay, both together did cost me 30€, everything boxed, the seller had some more of those packages iirc

give me a Primal Rage or DarXide 32X and it's yours

[sharp]

hah, i've got it, boxed and absolutely mint, it came with my NGP i bought from ebay, both together did cost me 30€, everything boxed, the seller had some more of those packages iirc

give me a Primal Rage or DarXide 32X and it's yours

I would have give you my Kizuna Encounte PAL Neo Geo AES if I had one

[Mayhem]

On the KoF R1 front UK b&w wise, it turns up as much as Samuari Spirits does. Was forgetting about it there. Maybe a little more. So that'll sit at the lowest occurance rarity, but it's still about R5 or R6 level.

I got lucky with my NGC 98 Plus UK b&w copy. Found a seller in Spain with one. However he would only take bank transfer and he didn't speak a word of English! Not to let these barriers stop me, I persuaded him to allow me to send him cash Euros instead. All went well thankfully, and about 10 days after sending the money, I got my game.

Total cost? 50 Euros. Seeing as a complete copy had recently sold on eBay for four times that amount (and I had lost out on) then I was very pleased

[PapaStu]

I still think that the US stuff needs to be bumped up (and taken off of the Complete and moved to the Cart listings) but I'm pretty sure that its Larry's and not your call right Mat (at least for the US stuff)?

[Mayhem]

As the section is priced as "complete" to begin with... it's hard to section off Last Blade and Faselei, which is why I put the disclaimer about both in the description field.

To my knowledge, I'm in charge of the whole NGPC section now. I think so. Got the impression when talking to Joe but I could be wrong. Still, it'll be looked at when I return from holiday

[digitalpress]

A little threadjack here:

I was looking in the Atari section, and I noticed that the Touch Pad was given a R2. Then, I saw that Star Raiders (w/ Touch Pad) was given a R1. Does this mean that Star Raiders is more common than the Touch Pad? Should the Touch Pad be an R1 or R2?

You're reading it right. The cart is ever-so-slightly more common than the controller.

[digitalpress]

I still think that the US stuff needs to be bumped up (and taken off of the Complete and moved to the Cart listings) but I'm pretty sure that its Larry's and not your call right Mat (at least for the US stuff)?

Mat is the primary editor of the NGPS section.

[Mayhem]

You're reading it right. The cart is ever-so-slightly more common than the controller.

Was the cart sold at some point without the controller? Or have some of the controllers gone wayward over time compared to the carts? Peaked my curiousity here

[Keir]

You're reading it right. The cart is ever-so-slightly more common than the controller.

Was the cart sold at some point without the controller? Or have some of the controllers gone wayward over time compared to the carts? Peaked my curiousity here

How about we save ourselves the trouble of finding out and just call them both R1/$1? Even if the controller is slightly rarer than the cart, it's still common as dirt.

[digitalpress]

You're reading it right. The cart is ever-so-slightly more common than the controller.

Was the cart sold at some point without the controller? Or have some of the controllers gone wayward over time compared to the carts? Peaked my curiousity here

How about we save ourselves the trouble of finding out and just call them both R1/$1? Even if the controller is slightly rarer than the cart, it's still common as dirt.

Yeah this is about the least interesting conversation we've ever had in this forum

[kevincure]

Mayhem,

Concerning the original DB:GT (PSX), we now know there were almost 20,000 copies sold. The rarest PSX US releases (aside from stuff like 2Ball - we should do a roll call on who has this demo, btw - and some of the Lightspan games) had 3-4000 copies sold. I think DB and Papastu are on the money when they list only 3 non-Lightspan games as R8. R7 is what I would consider similar to ER on my own list, and my guide is that if I can confirm 12000+ sold or see them with any frequency on ebay and in private sales, they're not ER.

[tylerwillis]

Thought I might contribute a few points. I collected all 248 US Dreamcast games once… and then sold the collection. I started recollecting them again and am about 24 games short of having the complete collection. I’ve done this mostly through eBay, so I’d thought I’d take a look through the list and see if anything jumped out at me as being off on rarity. Feel free to absorb/discard recommendations.

102 Dalmations, currently R2 – I say R1 = you can get this anytime, anywhere
Caesar’s Palace 2000, currently R3 – I say R4 = one of the first titles on my search list, one of the last titles that I obtained (still don’t have it the second time around) – shows up a handful of times on eBay in a month
Dead or Alive 2, currently R3 – I say R2 = easily obtainable, I’ve sold dozens
Deep Fighter, currently R3 – I say R4, maybe R5 = ditto Palace 2000 comment
Disney’s Dinosaur, currently R3 – definitely R4
Dragon Riders – currently R2 – should be R4, it’s pretty hard to come by
ESPN – both titles can be bumped up a notch – they’re not easy to get (I’m still looking for Track and Field)
F1 – up to R3
Grinch – same as F1
Gundam – bring down to R3 – it’s not easy to come by, but it’s readily available
Heavy Metal – R2
Hoyle – up to R4
Illbleed – should be R2, if not R3
Kao – should be R4, possibly R5
Max Steel - should be R2, if not R3
Mr. Driller – should be R4
Namco Museum – possibly bring it down to R3
NBA Hoopz – R3
Next Tetris – R3
Roadsters – R3, probably R4
Seventh Cross – R3
Soul Calibur – it’s not rare, R1 – these things are everywhere
Spider-Man – bring it down to R3, maybe R2
Spirit of Speed 1937 – R4 – one of the harder titles to grab
Tee Off – the R5 is way off – it’s R3
Tokyo Racers – no rarity change, but neither is spelled “Extreme” – they are both “Xtreme” – that’s direct from the case
Toy Story 2 – bring it up to R3, maybe R4
Urban Chaos – ditto
Wetrix – R3
Who Wants to Beat – R3
Worms World – might bring down to R4

Anyway, feel free to use these. Also, if an editor/admin want to contact me, just PM and I’ll respond. I’d like to help/contribute and I have a decent knowledge of the Dreamcast stuff.
Tyler

[Cthulhu]

I have some suggestions about a few random rare Japanese titles. I've been living in Japan for about 9 months now (and I spent a year in Osaka prior to moving to Japan this time), and I've been frequenting plenty of used game stores, including the shops in Akihabara.

Blast Wind, Saturn JP - A much rarer game than Radiant Silvergun actually. It never goes for all that much money but is extremely hard to find. I sold my original copy many years ago and spent nearly two years trying to find it again before stumbling upon it at a used Japanese game store in Hong Kong. I'd rate BW a solid 6, and I wouldn't be surprised if it moved up to 7 in a few years. Price of $50 to $60.

Hyper Duel, Saturn JP - More valuable than Blast Wind but easier to find. I think there might be fewer copies available but it's more well known and more people are looking to buy it. R6, $90 to $100.

Popful Mail, TurboGrafix 16 JP - Currently listed as an R8, this game is far more common than that. It's a late, late title for the system and still a little pricey but I have seen tons of copies of it here. I'd bump it down to an R7 for sure. Maybe even an R6... Price of $50 to $60, not $120. I hate to ask for a downgrade to a game I own, but the entry here is a little... "inflated."

Remy Blaster, TurboGrafix 16 JP - I've seen this game in the collectors cases at used stores in Akiba and Osaka a few times, but I've never played or bought it. There's no entry at all for the game currently. It's probably an R7 or R8 just based on how hard it is to find for sale. Seems to go for $150 or so. I don't know who made it, supposedly it's a beat-em-up.

Shinrei Jusatsushi Taromaru, Saturn JP - This is probably the rarest and most valuable "standard" run Japanese Saturn game. R8 for sure. I finally broke down and bought it a few days ago after finally finding a complete copy (many are missing the spine card, and most are missing a sticker that came with the game.) Goes for $240-$250 in Japan, even more overseas. The only Saturn games that go for more than this are promotional items, unreleased games, and other such oddities.

Ginga Fukei Densetsu Sapphire, TurboGrafix 16 JP - The price on this already horribly expensive game has gone up - incomplete (no spine card) copies are going for about $330, and complete copies are inching towards the $400 mark. A few years ago in Osaka I saw this game for sale in collectors stores pretty consistently, but it's been getting rarer and rarer. I went looking for it the last few times I've been in Akihabara and only one or two stores has been able to get it in stock. Still an R8 though.

Dead of the Brain 1&2, TurboGrafix 16 JP - The price on this game has jumped up and it's gotten way harder to find. I'd still leave the rarity at 7, but the price is up closer to $140, at many places, $160.

Langrisser IV & V Final Edition, Playstation JP - Currently not listed in the database. A slightly revamped port of Langrisser IV and V for the Saturn. Definitely in the "upper tiers" of PSX games, this game always goes to the collectors sections here. I'd rate it as R5, probably an R6 overseas. The prices on it vary wildly - I've seen it go for as little as $50, and as much as $90. Average seems to be around $60, $65.

All these prices are conversions of the yen prices I see here than I did at random. No exchange rate calculations or anything. Hope this information is useful!


EDIT: I noticed that I listed Hyper Duel as an R5... I meant to say R6. More common than Blast Wind but not R5 common by any means.

[anagrama]

Just a minor one here: looks like there's been a warehouse find or something for Ghen War (PAL Saturn), judging by the plethora of unsold sealed copies on eBay anyway.
Should probably be knocked down a touch from it's current rating of R5.

[sharp]

Some other comment from this bastard.

I think the European Sega rating are sometimes to much UK-focused. The Classic Collection with Gunstar Heroes , Flicky and 2 I forgot is in my opinion much rarer then Sega Sports one, as the UK are much smaller then the UK mainland. And there are more games I have this feeling with, but if wanted I can post a list.

[anagrama]

The problem with regional variations like you mention is that there isn't an even spread games across Europe - while being much smaller in size, the UK accounts for well over half of all PAL MD games on eBay at any one time and given that, it's only right for things to be slightly weighted in that direction.

The Classic Collection is pretty common over here - I know I could walk into town this afternoon and buy 2 different copies if I wanted, for example. Having said that, an R4 rating might be fairer overall - I'll make a note to have a better look at it when I have a chance.
Also, Flicky is already rated higher (R5) than the Sega Sports comp (R4).

Feel free to PM me if you've got any thoughts on any other ratings - I'm not trying to just shrug off your comments, and would be happy to discuss any others.

[vintagegamecrazy]

Casino poker (Channel F) has only turned up three times in three years and only on Ebay, Alien invasion has turned up almost then times, CP needs to be a R9/$50 as it only shows up on Ebay.

The RCA Studio II section needs to be ravamped,

Bingo, like Conversational French, may never show up again and should finally be a R10, there is only 2 or 3 copies known to exist and should be noted in the description so we don't deceive anyone hunting for it.

Gunfighter/MB I have only seen one copy change hands since 2002 and I lost out on it, that game should be a R8 or 9, and worth at least $25, that game is deceptively hard to find.

Speedway/Tag probably the same as GF/MB, but only worth like $10, another elusive game to locate.

TV Schoolhouse II should be a R7 or R8, I have only seen 3 or 4 copies since 2002 and is worth at least $25, this game is much rarer than TV Schoolhouse I. If Al Backiel still maintains this section then this should be forwarded to him.

The Sega Genesis whack a critter controller needs to be added to the database, it should be at least a R9 as I have seen only one person who has one in 4 years of searching for one of these things, I have no idea on value though.