The playstation Ten years from now [Archive]

BHvrd

05-07-2007, 12:22 AM

There's still alot of ps2 players out there who haven't adopted into the ps3 cause key titles like metal gear, socom, god of war, and final fantasy haven't surfaced.

Once those games make their way out the ps3's will start flying off the shelves.

Playstation has a fairly loyal fanbase, but problem is getting them off the ps2 and into the ps3, it's taking time and with new franchises like Lair, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, and many others they are building a new studio of games as well.

Sony is taking baby steps for sure, but the way I see it they are focusing more on in house development which is what should save their future, and honestly make them tops eventually. They are going to have some real heavy hitters this year, and what's cool is it's not just one or two, but at least half a dozen.

They might be behind now, but I see alot of "in development", and this is on top of the key franchises they already have established. They are gonna blow the roof off.

"Home" and "Little Big Planet" will start the ball rolling. Hell, seeing those two titles in action had alot to do with me buying one, I was and still am impressed for what they have planned.

Resistance, Motorstorm, and Dark Kingdom are holding me over fine for now.

Their future looks extremely bright to me, and they seem to be the only company really to be pushing things forward. Though others don't seem to see it this way.

swlovinist

05-07-2007, 01:18 AM

In ten years, we will have a good reflection of how the PS3 did. Right now is not a good time to reflect on a system that has only been on the market a short 6 months. Dont get me wrong, the PS3 has issues, but it wont kill sony. Sony is making bank off of the PS2. Right now they just have to unscrew themselves.

In ten years I see Sony still making a game machine. In ten years, I see the PS3 finally being affordable and being supported still with software.

jajaja

05-07-2007, 05:51 AM

Scince sony's terrible start on playstation 3 and the wii kicking ass sony is slowly but surly falling out of the console race. Wich to me beggs the qestion where will sony's playstation brand be ten years from now?:o

Terrible start? PS3 sold like 3 million consoles, which is amazing considering the rather lousy games choice and the high price. Just because its not sold out everywhere like the Wii doesnt mean that its selling horribly bad. What do you base "falling out of the console race" on? The console race has just begun, only like 5 months since PS3 got released.

chrisbid

05-07-2007, 07:46 AM

gepeto

05-07-2007, 07:53 AM

The way I see it sony is taking way to long to make key decisions. Selling out the gate means nothing. Lame duck perception means everything. I remember the dreamcast set the record at launch.

They need to drop the price to 399.99 like yesterday throw out some nice titles and tightenup the playstation store interface. I truly believe gone are the days oh that game came out let me buy the system. Too many games are ported and rehashed consumers are analyzing the whole package. Example I like ninja gaiden sigma the demo was nice and I played it on a hdtv but really after playing ninja gaiden and black is sigma truly that much better to justify 60.00.

The ps3 was years in developement. Sony asked for and arm and a leg.
People and I am one of them feel at 599.99 things should be more on point. Better games better online interface. When the ps2 was at 299.99 the sony base was able to wait for the trickle of games at 600.00 people see it, know about it might like and want it but wont get it.

I wish they would get there act together and drop the price and act with the urgency they need to because what people don't mention is once your systems flutter developers start backing off an taking a wait and see approach. Sure you have msg4 coming down the road but the gamecube had re4 and no real 3rd party support. On that point where are the games sony isn't the only company making games how come there aren't more games on the shelf?

heybtbm

05-07-2007, 09:59 AM

In before the fanboys make this thread completely unreadable. :P

Too late. The fanboy BS already was started in the first post. Read for yourself...

sony is slowly but surly falling out of the console race.

So naive.

Lothars

05-07-2007, 10:59 AM

the hardware-loss leader model will not turn sony a profit if the PS3 stays in third place. Howard Stringers insistence on convergence (bluray) shall be seen as the downfall off the PS3. hopefully, every console maker from here on out will learn the lesson from this folly and not shoehorn features into their machines that detract from gaming and/or drastically increase the price of hardware.

I think Blu-ray is one of the main features of the PS3, definitely not a bad thing
I think if anything it's one of the big things that Sony has done right as well as having a Hard Drive on each PS3,

I see the PS3 doing quite well but it needs to drop it's price, I think your wrong by saying it's a bad thing though. especially in 10 years we will have seen the winner in this generation console wars which I still think will be Sony but who knows what may happen.

but how bout the folly of MS not having a hard drive in it's sku's? which is one of the biggest mistakes of this generation so far.

Ed Oscuro

05-07-2007, 03:35 PM

Recent developments have led me to think that the PS3 is going to be the top console, eventually, once again, at least until the other consoles appear. People want to see Toy Story in real-time; I guess it comes down to that. The idea of a fake world that looks nearly as compelling as the real one is hard to discount, and certainly has piqued my sense of adventure.

In terms of negatives, the other consoles simply don't offer the same disc size and strength of the main processing array. The hard drive will be an issue, but despite the hardships that's causing developers now they will eventually start forcing people to use one. Microsoft's Xbox brand reputation might not suffer much of a hit, though, if they bring the cost of the hard drive down radically in time for the first must-have games with mandatory hard drive use. That seems to me the smart thing to do.

They eventually will have to face the disc size issue, but dual-layer DVDs are probably quite cheap and with some good content pruning you should be able to get a 50 GB game down to a handful of dual-layer DVDs (say three of 'em, maybe less). The extra heft will probably appeal to collectors ;)

Nintendo is catering to a niche, and it needed to be done, but I don't think it's the console for me personally. I will be happy as long as they are bringing out fun games that don't make your intestines squirm, however; it's a little bit of sunshine in a world dominated by Clive Barker's Jericho, Resident Evil 5, and Half-Life Episodes.

walrusmonger

05-07-2007, 03:39 PM

This topic is the brainchild of the youngster who keeps plugging his crappy sega message board every five minutes.

Sony isn't going anywhere, the PS3 is solid and has a great future lineup. In 10 years it'll be like it is now, MS and Sony competing, Nintendo making niche stuff that is more unique and suited for short burst gameplay.

Ed Oscuro

05-07-2007, 03:47 PM

Well, I think unforseen events, legal maneuvering, and technology can shake things up. The problem with Microsoft right now is that they don't have the vast in-house competence in hardware that Sony does, but they are making strides in that area, and Sony has been downsizing lately given that many of their businesses have been underperforming. Both companies have been forced to rely in part on other companies for some of the main components, namely CPU, memory, and GPU.

The problem with Sony right now is that they don't have the vast in-house competence in software, developer tools, and infrastructure that Microsoft does, but they are making progress, and OpenGL isn't going anywhere given that the market for a non-Microsoft alternative API is as strong as ever. Both companies have found some help from outside companies that market graphical engines; for example the Unreal Engine and Gamebryo.

I think one of the major less-noticed issues is that while Microsoft may have great software tools and a strong game stable, so does Sony - and Sony has extra ability to leverage hit movies to move games (we note that a crappy game based on Cars was a massive seller recently). You want to play Casino Royale or Spiderman 3? I doubt you'll find those games on a Microsoft platform. That could end up being a killer. Sure, the games won't be Goldeneye or Ninja Gaiden/Shinobi, but the people who made those games will end up developing for the PS3 because that's where the action is.

Rob2600

05-07-2007, 05:51 PM

Sony isn't going anywhere, the PS3 is solid and has a great future lineup.

People thought the same thing about Atari twenty-five years ago and Sega fifteen years ago. :)

For what it's worth, Wikipedia's article for Ken Kutaragi states:

According to the Wall Street Journal, Sony is now dealing with $2 billion in losses related to its video games division over the past year ending March 31.

Insaneclown

05-07-2007, 06:19 PM

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The PSTriple!!!!!!! The PSTriple!!!!!!!!

Chad Warden is full of shit anyway. He gives the PS3 a bad name. Watch the video yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25LceCPO1ys

jajaja

05-07-2007, 06:23 PM

Chad Warden is full of shit anyway. He gives the PS3 a bad name.

If people make their decition of PS3 because of what this guy says, well.. thats their choice, but i dont see how he gives the PS3 a bad name. I'm also sure this video is made just to provoke and its very sarcastic.

gepeto

05-07-2007, 06:33 PM

The problem with Microsoft right now is that they don't have the vast in-house competence in hardware that Sony does, but they are making strides in that area, and Sony has been downsizing lately given that many of their businesses have been underperforming. Both companies have been forced to rely in part on other companies for some of the main components, namely CPU, memory, and GPU.

What gets me is when the ps2 was released the emotion engine was supposed to be the end all be all with toy story graphics. The original xbox released with 733 chip and video card and when it was all said and done if there was a port released most people preferred the xbox. Sony may have had a handle on the emotion cell chip but many other developers don't.

When the xbox released as broadband only that was a move with the future foreseen more closer than people thought. After using broadband dialup was just too aggravating. The jump to 50 gig full disc will all come down to programming and how many developers can afford to make a 50 gig game that might not sell. Will 50 gigs be stamped on the box like the genesis era. THe first 32 meg game.

People ask me gepeto should I upgrade to a 3.0 gig processor and I tell them how fast do you want ms office to open. Sony made god of war 1 and 2 on one disc a 300plus mhz cpu limited memory no hard drive and they were awesome. This fifty gig talk I think will wind up like wing commander ,creature shock. The true programming is no where near and by the time the programming talent is here the ps3 and 360 will well on the way out.

Dan Boleo

05-07-2007, 06:34 PM

Scince sony's terrible start on playstation 3 and the wii kicking ass sony is slowly but surly falling out of the console race. Wich to me beggs the qestion where will sony's playstation brand be ten years from now?:o
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DigitalSpace

05-07-2007, 06:37 PM

Too late. The fanboy BS already was started in the first post. Read for yourself...

That may have been unreadable to you, but it was laughable to me.

Anyways, I think the PS3 is going to be to Sony what the N64 was to Nintendo - it's not going to be a major failure by any means, but it will probably be the console that costs them the top spot and they will lose some third party support. But there will be a PS4 (or whatever the hell Sony decides to call their next console). Sony's far more interested in what they think is good for the future of gaming rather than what the customers want. The PS3 will have a few good games every now and then, mostly from first and second party developers but when it comes to third party games, customers will likely favor the 360 versions for better online play and/or achievement points.

And ten years from now, the kev - er, veronicamars_fans will be making ridiculous threads about them in between their threads of how they wasted money on CD Walkmans and Limp Bizkit albums, reminders to watch whatever the hell keeps The CW afloat at that time, and links to a Sega Genesis ad in some random magazine in 1992.

goldenaxeboy

05-07-2007, 06:39 PM

What the hell.

goldenaxeboy

05-07-2007, 06:40 PM

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DigitalSpace

05-07-2007, 06:45 PM

I see you have a problem with keeping all your replies in one post too.

Insaneclown

05-07-2007, 11:43 PM

If people make their decition of PS3 because of what this guy says, well.. thats their choice, but i dont see how he gives the PS3 a bad name. I'm also sure this video is made just to provoke and its very sarcastic.

He's trying to be famous!!! He's sure a good actor though...NOT. lol He's gonna get all the ladies with his Triple. That's how it is now. lol

Come on...everyone Love's the PSTriple

Kid Ice

05-08-2007, 12:01 PM

This fifty gig talk I think will wind up like wing commander ,creature shock. The true programming is no where near and by the time the programming talent is here the ps3 and 360 will well on the way out.

SOOOO true. I've thought the same thing but just haven't thought of expressing it the same way. They will put in all kinds of extraneous nonsense to fill up a disc to make it "better".

I think (and hope) we are returning to the days when 3rd parties had to choose a side and *commit* to a system

heybtbm

05-08-2007, 02:45 PM

I think (and hope) we are returning to the days when 3rd parties had to choose a side and *commit* to a system

Really? I think multi-system releases are a necessity for most companies if they want to make a profit. Smaller developers don't have the luxury and will always have to "commit" to one console or the other.

jajaja

05-08-2007, 06:15 PM

He's trying to be famous!!! He's sure a good actor though...NOT. lol He's gonna get all the ladies with his Triple. That's how it is now. lol

Come on...everyone Love's the PSTriple

lol, true ;) Its funny indeed, but i seriously doubt that hes serious.

Kid Ice

05-08-2007, 08:31 PM

Really? I think multi-system releases are a necessity for most companies if they want to make a profit.

Great for them...good for us? I'm not sure. I worry about the mentality "Well we could do this great thing on system X but not on system Y and system Z, so we'll leave that out".

IMO in the previous generation it wasn't that big a deal because the three systems (PS2, GC, Xbox) had similar capabilities. Now we're looking at three very different systems.

bangtango

05-08-2007, 08:42 PM

What the hell.

What the hell?

heybtbm

05-08-2007, 09:00 PM

I worry about the mentality "Well we could do this great thing on system X but not on system Y and system Z, so we'll leave that out".

Me too. I'm thinking developers are going to be "dumbing down" features pretty soon in order to accommodate for the 360's shortcomings.

Wolfrider31

05-08-2007, 09:28 PM

I hate to be the one to drop the standarized format argument, but we are assuming that video games (along with other forms of media) remain in their traditional enclosures.

That said, I don't see the PS3 outright failing but I do think that Sony will have to pull a Nintendo and refocus their business strategy to recoup the losses that they've drawn upon themselves in this round. Perhaps something even more divergant than the Wii is in store for the PS4.

And, now that I think about it, can we quit it with the numerical numbering of consoles. 360 was the last straw.

Zap!

05-09-2007, 04:21 AM

Scince sony's terrible start on playstation 3 and the wii kicking ass sony is slowly but surly falling out of the console race. Wich to me beggs the qestion where will sony's playstation brand be ten years from now?:o

Hopefully, Sony as a company will be gone by 2017 (and Blu-Ray with it), but that's wishful thinking on my part. They'll still be around. An established video game company has to have at least two failures in a row to get out of the hardware business. Look at Sega, with their 32X, Sega CD, Saturn, and Dreamcast. And it took a lot for Atari to quit, with the failed 5200, 7800, XEGS, Lynx, and Jaguar!

jajaja

05-09-2007, 04:35 AM

Hopefully, Sony as a company will be gone by 2017 (and Blu-Ray with it), but that's wishful thinking on my part. They'll still be around. An established video game company has to have at least two failures in a row to get out of the hardware business. Look at Sega, with their 32X, Sega CD, Saturn, and Dreamcast. And it took a lot for Atari to quit, with the failed 5200, 7800, XEGS, Lynx, and Jaguar!

Why do you hate Sony and why do you want less competition in the market? In 2017, im sure a BR replacement is on the market.

Zap!

05-09-2007, 04:47 AM

Why do you hate Sony and why do you want less competition in the market? In 2017, im sure a BR replacement is on the market.

Because Sony is not a video game company, and Nintendo is. While it is true Nintendo didn't start out as a video game company, they most certainly have been around since the roots and the Golden Age of video gaming. In my opinion, in order for a company to get in the video gaming hardware business, they should have made highly successful arcade games, and been making games since the 70's or early 80's. This is the case with Nintendo, Sega, Atari, and even SNK. This is NOT the case with Sony or Microsoft. Konami or Capcom should have entered the video game hardware business. Both are certainly more qualified than Sony or Microsoft. Also, I partially blame Sony for killing Sega, but that's another arguement.

Oh yeah, I never once said I want less competition in the market. I just want Sony and Microsoft out of the market.

jajaja

05-09-2007, 06:09 AM

Because Sony is not a video game company, and Nintendo is. While it is true Nintendo didn't start out as a video game company, they most certainly have been around since the roots and the Golden Age of video gaming.

Hm.. so you want to remove Sony because they arent a true videogame company? Can you explain this alittle more?

In my opinion, in order for a company to get in the video gaming hardware business, they should have made highly successful arcade games, and been making games since the 70's or early 80's. This is the case with Nintendo, Sega, Atari, and even SNK. This is NOT the case with Sony or Microsoft.

You need a time machine to make this possible. From this statement, its impossible for anyone to get into the video gaming hardware business from now on (and the previous 25 years).

Konami or Capcom should have entered the video game hardware business. Both are certainly more qualified than Sony or Microsoft.

Capcom did enter the hardware busniness with their CPS-1, 2 and 3. If Konami and Capcom are more qualiyfied, why dont both have successful console(s) out? Being masters at making games doesnt mean they are masters in developing hardware.

Also, I partially blame Sony for killing Sega, but that's another arguement.

Why? Because of PS2?

Oh yeah, I never once said I want less competition in the market. I just want Sony and Microsoft out of the market.

I know you didnt directly say you want less competition, but since you wanted to remove Sony it will automaticly become less competition. How many can compete with consoles besides MS and Sony? Remove these 2 and you will be stuck with Nintendo monopoly. Or.. maybe Apple could make something.

Nature Boy

05-09-2007, 08:56 AM

FWIW, I just read somewhere that the PSP hit the 10 million units shipped mark faster than the PS2 did.

http://pspupdates.qj.net/J-Allard-loses-to-Croal-over-PSP-bet/pg/49/aid/91745

(See the link at the bottom of the article for J. Allard's blog, where he talks about the bet in more detail)

Okay, so this news is a couple of years old now (the sales figures that is - the living up to the bet is apparantly only happening now). But don't dance on Sony's grave yet. They'd probably need two consecutive failing consoles to wipe them out, not just the PS3.