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7th lutz
05-07-2007, 05:48 PM
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=19205&type=wmv

10.)Phantom
9.) N-Gage
8.)Virtual Boy
7.)3DO
6.)Sega Add-ons-sega cd, cdx, 32x
5.) Atari Jaguar
4.) CD-I
3.) Atari 5200
2.) Tiger R-zone/game.com
1.)Gizmodo

Go to the link to hear the coments for each system they mentioned.

This one sucked! How did the 5200 rank higher then the Jaguar along with the Phantom being mentioned since it was not released?

The sega addons should've been seperate. They got the fact wrong with the 32x, be called a cd machine that get hooked by the genesis to play cd games. I own a 32x and it was hooked by the sega genesis I own and it ownly can play cartridges.

The add-on they were claiming that plays cds is called the 32x cd. You needed Sega genesis and Sega cd componets besides the 32x in order to play cd games.

Sweater Fish Deluxe
05-07-2007, 06:09 PM
What's up with every loser videogaming site that no one cares about coming up with top-ten lists of stupid shit these days?

But shame on this list for ignoring the 1292 Advanced Programmable.


...word is bondage...

Snapple
05-07-2007, 06:18 PM
Game Trailers is a pretty good site. You don't have to call it a loser site just because you don't like their list.

Most of the list is pretty good. Maybe the 5200 is too high, but it's still not a great console. The inclusion of the Phantom and Sega add-ons is fine. Most of their top ten lists aren't supposed to be taken seriously, and neither is the criteria for being eligible for the list in the first place, hence Phantom being there. They also have a list for the top ten sets of video game boobs, so take this stuff with a grain of salt.

j_factor
05-07-2007, 06:35 PM
Wow, this is a horrible list. Several of these aren't even consoles (why do they always do that?), and the rest of them aren't even that bad. Any list of the worst consoles needs to include Halcyon Interactive, Odyssey2, RCA Studio II, Emerson Arcadia, Commodore CDTV, etc. Are Jaguar, Sega CD, and 3DO really worse than those? I say hell no.

roushimsx
05-07-2007, 06:46 PM
The N-Gage sure has its faults, but god damn...how can you hate on a system with two Pathway to Glory games, Rifts, Catan, and Glory in Death? :(

Really, when you factor in the quality to crap ratio of released games, the Gameboy/Color/Advance are much worse systems :)

segarocks30
05-07-2007, 06:58 PM
The N-Gage sure has its faults, but god damn...how can you hate on a system with two Pathway to Glory games, Rifts, Catan, and Glory in Death? :(

Really, when you factor in the quality to crap ratio of released games, the Gameboy/Color/Advance are much worse systems :)


Good point. :)

Kid Ice
05-07-2007, 07:00 PM
People who write lists are number one on my list of untalented, uncreative assholes.

Poofta!
05-07-2007, 07:01 PM
i enjoyed that list. i thought it was quite funny, and frankly, the order doesnt matter, they all blow chunks.

MarioMania
05-07-2007, 07:03 PM
People who write lists are number one on my list of untalented, uncreative assholes.

I agree

Hardcore
05-07-2007, 07:58 PM
10.)Phantom - shouldn't be here, never existed
9.) N-Gage - The second iteration of the N-Gage was far better and had better games.
8.)Virtual Boy - it was innovative. too bad it caused headaches.
7.)3DO - one game of WC 3 or Star Control 3 is good enough to remove this console from the list.
6.)Sega Add-ons-sega cd, cdx, 32x - I enjoyed my SCD and 32x. I don't understand this.
5.) Atari Jaguar - I still want to play a Jag.
4.) CD-I - This deserves to be here.
3.) Atari 5200 - I wore my 5200 out playing Countermeasure and Star Raiders.
2.) Tiger R-zone/game.com - a modem does not a handheld make.
1.)Gizmodo - It had promise, too bad it didn't make.

This list is essentially worthless, but, gametrailers markets to TODAY'S gamer, who doesn't know much about the truth in classic gaming.

Griking
05-07-2007, 08:01 PM
I can't believe that the 5200 is #3. Yeah the controller stinks but I love my 5200.

outsider
05-07-2007, 08:29 PM
I agree with most of the list, but the Virtual Boy and N-Gage don't belong IMO. Both systems have their share of quality games, with few poor titles. I've always wished that the VB would have been given more time.

Slate
05-07-2007, 09:06 PM
The virtual boy does NOT belong there. >:(

Sure it caused headaches IF YOU PLAYED IT A LOT, But it's an interesting system and has some good games!

k8track
05-07-2007, 09:16 PM
I finally got a Virtual Boy last summer, and it is awesome! I love my Virtual Boy and it does not deserve to be on the list. Neither does Atari Jaguar by a long shot.

What a warm fuzzy to see my very favorite system (Atari 5200) at number 3. (In fact, I just got Adventure II in the mail today, so I'm gonna be busting out the ol' 5200 right now!)

Damaramu
05-07-2007, 09:24 PM
I can't believe that the 5200 is #3. Yeah the controller stinks but I love my 5200.

Agreed. I've got nothing but good memories when it concerns the 5200, my very first videogame system. I was the only kid in my neighborhood that had one and the other kids came over to play it!

bangtango
05-07-2007, 09:28 PM
What's up with every loser videogaming site that no one cares about coming up with top-ten lists of stupid shit these days?

They got to get traffic somehow. Most of these sites only get mentioned when they do a list like this. Otherwise nobody would ever visit their pages or mention them in a thread.

Typical video game web site fan boy drivel:

"That does it! I'm sick and tired of being a nobody on the internet video game fan food chain. I should start a video game web site tonight and do a top ten list of the "Worst NES Password Screen Music of All Time." I'll even pull the entries out of thin air with no regard for logic. Put Castlevania II at #1, Goonies II at #2, Metal Gear at #3, Mega Man 2 at #4, Faxanadu at #5, River City Ransom at #6, Castlevania III at #7, Kid Icarus at #8, Metroid at #9 and Zelda II at #10. Oh, Zelda II didn't have a password screen? Who cares!!! LOL. I'm gonna post this bad boy right now, sit back and watch as the hits roll in. Everybody will be talking about me on the message boards and I'll get a huge reputation online."

Icarus Moonsight
05-07-2007, 09:48 PM
Well the true top 10 worst consoles wouldn't go over well as relevant content because most who frequent gametrailers.com (I visit from time to time) wouldn't know/heard of most on the list (such as Astrocade, FMTowns). For us this list should read "Top 10 Worst-Mainstream Consoles".

Still can't figure out why Phantom is on the list? If it's there shouldn't it be ranked higher (worse) than the 5200? At least the 5200 was released... and supported... and furthermore played, sometimes loved. I don't get it. *shrug*

c0ldb33r
05-07-2007, 10:03 PM
I may not agree with their decisions, but man... they totally lost credibility when they said the 32X was CD based. WTF?

edit: And also, they ranked the Atari 5200 below the CD-i? Are they on dope? I don't love the 5200, but at least its got some fun games.

edit 2: Wow, the Gizmondo's got some great graphics. Do the budget versions still require you to watch the commercials? How's that work now that the system is dead?

Gentlegamer
05-07-2007, 10:08 PM
Maybe they were thinking of the 32x enhanced Sega CD games.

7th lutz
05-07-2007, 10:47 PM
Maybe they were thinking of the 32x enhanced Sega CD games.

I was thinking the same thing, because the regular 32x was a different animal then the 32x with the sega cd and genesis together.

retroman
05-07-2007, 11:23 PM
i am a fan of some of those systems...so i dont fully agree....sales wise maybe.

swlovinist
05-07-2007, 11:38 PM
Someone please tell them that the Mattel Hyperscan existed and yes, it belongs on the list.

bangtango
05-07-2007, 11:48 PM
I bet the dick who wrote this list hasn't even played most of these systems. Then again, we already knew that the second we read it. I'm no big-time collector but I own 5 out of 10 of the things on there. Even more, if you count BOTH the Sega CD and 32X as "separate" (that would give me 6 from the list). Of the 6 things I own from that list, only 1 of them actually belongs on there. Those are the FACTS.

Push Upstairs
05-08-2007, 12:00 AM
Meh.

Top Ten lists are passé.

sabre2922
05-08-2007, 01:08 AM
First off im NOT mainstream and have been an avid videogame ADDICT for over 20 YEARS and I think Gametrailers.com is a decent site (just look at my sig ).

To be fair
YES many of the game systems are "mainstream" but who freaking cares? ALL OF THOSE CONSOLES SUCKED ASS!! and yeah I did kinda like the virtual boy but lets be honest here these systems did suck DO suck and always will suck NO MATTER how hardcore you claim to be.
Sure the 5200 had more than a few good games but I also remember how much the controllers sucked and how can u play a good game with bad controls? be it hardware related or otherwise? and who cares if the game system was released or not?

the Phantom deserves to be on the list as do all the others.

Sure there are probably at LEAST 5 NON-MAINSTREAM systems that should be on that list at least for all of us here at DP but damn give it a rest already.
Look at it this way= at least its not IGN.

Icarus Moonsight
05-08-2007, 02:51 AM
They COULD have given a good list and explain the more obscure items. The fact that they did not, or could not, shows more (actually less) to their perceptions of their visitors. There is also the possibility they just don't know, for example, the 32X CD error. I go there also and like the site quite a bit. Doesn't change the quality of the list. IMO it's half-hearted if not uninformed, thereby complete shite. Read: OPINION. Alrighty folks, move along. :)

GarrettCRW
05-08-2007, 04:51 AM
Ye gods....so, this list has known systems (plus a family of add-ons and the most aggregious non-Atari case of vaporware I've ever seen) over far more obscure (and, as a result, far worse) game systems, and everyone is pissed? I'm sorry, but I find it difficult to believe that anyone expected the Odyssey2 or the Arcadia to not suck when they were released (presuming, naturally, that anyone even cared). The systems GameTrailers selected have a body count. (Gunpei Yokoi=probably not dead if the Virtual Boy doesn't fail.) I like the Sega CD and have no ill will towards the 32X, but those add-ons ruined Sega as a console manufacturer. Likewise, the Atari 5200 severely damaged Atari's rep upon release, and was a major catalyst for the Crash, and for all the reasons that video stated. We can certainly argue about the list, but it's a bit silly to vehemently despise a list because it focuses on prominent commercial failures.

Icarus Moonsight
05-08-2007, 05:27 AM
While I agree (and love the way you phrased) that the stuff listed has a body count. :) It's my contention that there are far worse consoles that actually existed vs the VB, 5200, SCD/32X and NGage. That's nearly half their list. The inclusion of Phantom outright blows my mind. I don't like it, if you do, cool beans.

2Dskillz
05-08-2007, 06:40 AM
Do you think that lists like this are really meant for us. Collectors I mean. We dig into these systems and find the hidden gems, but does that make them good consoles? Overall it is a poorly done list, but I do not think we were the target audience.

c0ldb33r
05-08-2007, 08:04 AM
Overall it is a poorly done list, but I do not think we were the target audience.
Good point. This is just a mindless fluff piece.

Snapple
05-08-2007, 10:41 AM
(Gunpei Yokoi=probably not dead if the Virtual Boy doesn't fail.)

Oh snap, that's harsh.

Griking
05-08-2007, 10:43 AM
Sure the 5200 had more than a few good games but I also remember how much the controllers sucked and how can u play a good game with bad controls?

Actually the 5200 controls quite nicely if you have one of the third party controllers that was released for it.

diskoboy
05-08-2007, 10:49 AM
I have to agree with the 5200 defenders.

The 5200 shouldn't be judged simply by it's shitty joysticks. There was always an option to buy 3rd party sticks. Wico made some bad-assed sticks when they were still around.

Some of the games actually made good use of those god-awful things. Robotron and Space Dungeon, being 2 I can think of, off the top of my head.

jajaja
05-08-2007, 11:10 AM
Its alittle wierd that Phantom is on the list, it wasnt even released. Sure, we knew alittle about it and could imagine how it would be, but still.. it could have been a huge success.

Ed Oscuro
05-08-2007, 02:01 PM
What's up with every loser videogaming site that no one cares about coming up with top-ten lists of stupid shit these days?
Nah, I'm with SFD; Gametrailers should stick to what it is good at.

Game sites are acting as if putting out top ten lists are guaranteed to help them make a name for themselves, as if nobody else does it or something.

segarocks30
05-08-2007, 04:07 PM
Look at it this way= at least its not IGN.

Lol that actually is one good point. And instead of the = sign...it should be a colon, but oh well, shoot me, I'm a grammar freak.

Captain Wrong
05-08-2007, 04:11 PM
What's up with every loser videogaming site that no one cares about coming up with top-ten lists of stupid shit these days?


They got to get traffic somehow. Most of these sites only get mentioned when they do a list like this. Otherwise nobody would ever visit their pages or mention them in a thread.

DING DING DING

I predict another 4 pages (at least) of discussion on this one. It's just too easy to get videogame nerds riled up.

Trebuken
05-08-2007, 04:46 PM
DING DING DING

I predict another 4 pages (at least) of discussion on this one. It's just too easy to get videogame nerds riled up.

Agreed, but getting people riled up sparks conversation. It's likely we could develope a better list to pass on to them to help them from making the same mistake again, and perhaps lending to improving their site.

The list can't be mainstream, the Phantom and the Gizmondo were never really mainstream, most people have never heard of them. The R-Zone and Game.com dwelled in obscurity as well, with the VB being slightly better known because of the Nintendo logo and marketing campaign.

I think several systems can be argued off the list; the 3DO, N-Gage, Jaguar, Sega CD, and the 5200. The 5200's presence on the list at all is ridiculous. I think the VB may have to stay though...

If you put the Gizmondo on their don't you have to include the Zodiac?

Does this mean the 7800 is better than the 5200?

Did they forget those obscure systems? Fairchild? Odyssey 1/2? Aquarius? Arcadia? etc. or just leave them off the list?

If the Phantom is on there can we include the Super Nintendo DD or CD systems?

Tough list to reconcile...let's send them mail...

Aussie2B
05-08-2007, 05:01 PM
You know what's funny? Looking at that list, some of those systems are just plain bad, but for the ones that stand out as not belonging, like Virtual Boy and Sega CD, these systems have something that no other systems possess, besides those in similar positions. For all their bad rap and semi-obscurity, these systems have charm, something that the mainstream, thoroughly-loved systems are just too "normal" to possess. It's a very prominent, tangible feeling to me that will always make me appreciate their places in my collection. Sometimes you just gotta root for the underdog. As ridiculous as someone looks playing Virtual Boy (and I'm not even getting into the ring around your face the visor leaves), as freaked out as you get by the bizarre "Children under 7 can experience permanent vision damage" warning, as campy and cheesy as the Sega CD FMV games are, and as painful as the original price points were, you can't help but love these systems because they have character, at least as much as hunks of plastic and circuits can have. Their struggle to stay in the market and gain some popularity (and ultimate failure) just makes them that much more endearing, and when you actually sit down with some games and discover the true gems, I don't know about you guys, but I'm smitten.

KillerCheese
05-08-2007, 05:16 PM
so heres my take on it, you have to ask your self is that console worth it (not from a collectibility point of view) and if the answer is no it belongs on there.
Can i also ask a question of my own. Any of you tell me weither an n-gage is worth picking up?

bangtango
05-08-2007, 08:57 PM
Do you think that lists like this are really meant for us. Collectors I mean. We dig into these systems and find the hidden gems, but does that make them good consoles? Overall it is a poorly done list, but I do not think we were the target audience.

It isn't too hard to figure out the target audience for this list, you're right about that. Casual American gamers who probably only played (or bought) 1-3 things from that list, tops.

Disclaimer: All quotes below are from the purported point of view of GameTrailers and are not my actual opinion or arguments.

Think putting the 3DO or Jaguar on the list was bad? Consider yourselves lucky. GameTrailers could have just as easily put the Turbografx/Duo on there and rationalized it by bringing up the lame advertising, 2-button controllers, the NEC/TTI market share versus Sega & Nintendo or any number of "facts" that "prove" it "sucked." They'll say who cares what it did overseas because this list is primarily for gamers in the US. When it boils down to it, GameTrailers could have also come up with a few reasons to include the Sega Master System or even the 7800 because they "got their butt kicked by the NES in America" (that would be their words, not mine). They would say "Who cares what SMS did in Brazil or some other countries nobody has ever heard of? This list is being read in the US."

Hell, if you're a site like GameTrailers, the reality is you can put nearly any game system (not computer) except for the 2600, NES, Game Boy, Super NES, Genesis, PS1, PS2, XBox, etc. (insert one or two big sellers I may have missed) onto a list such as this and come up with at least one or two arguments even if those arguments are shaky at best. It will get a lot of hits, generate tons of traffic, get people talking on message boards and presumably have some positive impact from an advertising standpoint.

BocoDragon
05-08-2007, 09:21 PM
It isn't too hard to figure out the target audience for this list, you're right about that. Casual American gamers who probably only played (or bought) 1-3 things from that list, tops.

Disclaimer: All quotes below are from the purported point of view of GameTrailers and are not my actual opinion or arguments.

Think putting the 3DO or Jaguar on the list was bad? Consider yourselves lucky. GameTrailers could have just as easily put the Turbografx/Duo on there and rationalized it by bringing up the lame advertising, 2-button controllers, the NEC/TTI market share versus Sega & Nintendo or any number of "facts" that "prove" it "sucked." They'll say who cares what it did overseas because this list is primarily for gamers in the US. When it boils down to it, GameTrailers could have also come up with a few reasons to include the Sega Master System or even the 7800 because they "got their butt kicked by the NES in America" (that would be their words, not mine). They would say "Who cares what SMS did in Brazil or some other countries nobody has ever heard of? This list is being read in the US."

Hell, if you're a site like GameTrailers, the reality is you can put nearly any game system (not computer) except for the 2600, NES, Game Boy, Super NES, Genesis, PS1, PS2, XBox, etc. (insert one or two big sellers I may have missed) onto a list such as this and come up with at least one or two arguments even if those arguments are shaky at best. It will get a lot of hits, generate tons of traffic, get people talking on message boards and presumably have some positive impact from an advertising standpoint.

Dude... it's probably like one guy's opinion... or an amalgamated opinion from their office, to the best of their knowledge, whatever that might be.... If they were hardcore collectors, then I'm sure they'd consider writing a list that hardcore collectors would agree with, but they're probably somewhere closer to "casual" and that means they hate Virtual Boy and think it gave little kids seizures.

Griking
05-08-2007, 09:33 PM
I think several systems can be argued off the list; the 3DO, N-Gage, Jaguar, Sega CD, and the 5200. The 5200's presence on the list at all is ridiculous. I think the VB may have to stay though...

Actually I'd leave the N-Gage on the list. It was a horrible little taco of a thing.

Plus any list of horrible consoles can't be complete without the Game.com. :puke:

fishsandwich
05-08-2007, 10:21 PM
Actually I'd leave the N-Gage on the list. It was a horrible little taco of a thing

Your loss.


If they were going to list a console that was never even released they could have least mentioned the Pippin @world.

Shitty list.

theshizzle3000
05-08-2007, 10:35 PM
People who write lists are number one on my list of untalented, uncreative assholes.

Double True!

Gentlegamer
05-09-2007, 12:11 AM
People who write lists are number one on my list of untalented, uncreative assholes.Oh! The irony! :)