Is the PS3 already a dead duck?

[camarotuner]

Sony built an amazingly powerful system. It's selling well, it's hit the 1 million mark in Europe, sales in Japan are steady, sales in the US are improving and will continue to improve as the library improves. The system itself runs rings around the Wii and is capable of a much higher end of product then the 360 is. Sony is still Sony. You are the champion until someone knocks you off the thrown. Microsoft still has a serious chance but it needs to convince manufacturers that have backed the Playstation in the past to spread the exclusives around. They also need to fix their SERIOUS hardware issues. But given Microsoft doesn't even want to admit to serious hardware issues, let alone fix them, I think once the PS3 library catches up it will dominate sales again.

Oh and to all those "the library sucks" people, could someone tell me what the hell games at launch were worth playing for the 360? There were some, just as their are some for the PS3, but hell both had pretty terrible early libraries.

[njiska]

Oh and to all those "the library sucks" people, could someone tell me what the hell games at launch were worth playing for the 360? There were some, just as their are some for the PS3, but hell both had pretty terrible early libraries.

Except that this time last year the 360 had built up a pretty good library. The PS3 still hasn't.

[neuropolitique]

Sony built an amazingly powerful system. It's selling well, it's hit the 1 million mark in Europe, sales in Japan are steady, sales in the US are improving and will continue to improve as the library improves.

Huh?

PS3 weekly sales:

Jan 48.7k
Feb 31.8k
Mar 26.0k
Apr 20.5k

Those are averaged weekly numbers based on month totals. Don't see much improvement.

As for whether or not the PS3 is a dead duck or not, I don't know. It certainly is in a tight spot. A price cut is a double edged sword, and can be matched by the other two to take a large part of it's effect away. I'm glad I don't work at Sony.

[camarotuner]

According to 1up, and about half a dozen other sources, Sony's sales of the PS3 during the first six months of it's release is higher than that of it's sales in the first six months of either the PS1 and PS2. If it's outselling it's two younger brothers, why not believe it'll have the same market share as those two when it's all said and done?

That and Microsofts seemingly "who gives a crap about the Japanese market" attitude. It's a global economy, sell well all over or end up like Ford, Chevy, and all the other US car companies.

I still want a 360, just make me one that won't die in 2 years first.

[Eteric Rice]

According to 1up, and about half a dozen other sources, Sony's sales of the PS3 during the first six months of it's release is higher than that of it's sales in the first six months of either the PS1 and PS2. If it's outselling it's two younger brothers, why not believe it'll have the same market share as those two when it's all said and done?

That and Microsofts seemingly "who gives a crap about the Japanese market" attitude. It's a global economy, sell well all over or end up like Ford, Chevy, and all the other US car companies.

I still want a 360, just make me one that won't die in 2 years first.

Because it probably won't?

I don't know where all this positive press is coming from. But last month the PS3 dropped to 82,000 total sales in the US for the month, while the 360 did around (I believe) 200,000 and the Wii did 360,000. In Japan, the PS3 has already dropped under 10,000 a month, and is having a hard time getting back to the 10,000 mark.

From what I understand, the PS3 is tracking below the Gamecube.

I don't know much about Europe, as I don't keep up with them quite as much. But in general, things aren't looking good. I doubt big time, that the PS3 will sell PS2 numbers.

[Anthony1]

May's NPD numbers will be telling. If the PS3 has another horrid month like April, (only 82K in US), then a price drop is a forgone conclusion, if it already isn't. Unfortunately, I don't think they can chop the price more than $100, and I don't think $100 is going to do much for them. They need to drop the price $200, but they can't afford to do that.

[jajaja]

NPD numbers for May will be about the same as April i guess. Maybe alittle higher due to the release of MLB 07: The Show, but not any spetacular console sale numbers compared to April.

[Lothars]

Except that this time last year the 360 had built up a pretty good library. The PS3 still hasn't.

Yeah but that means after a year of release it had built up a pretty good library, in the context of Xbox 360 when it was released had a really bad launch lineup as did the PS3 and it took the 360 a year to get a pretty good library, which I see happening to the PS3 as well

I can see what you mean but I really don't see for the lead of the 360 meaning anything once better games are released for both the PS3 and Wii,

Two Things that will determine how the PS3 will do is a signifigant Price Drop As Soon As Possible as well keeping Major Exclusives exclusive to the PS3, if they do both of those than that will make a world of difference than what's happening now.

[WanganRunner]

The Japanese won't buy PS3's until the big exclusives come out, i.e. FFXIII and MGS4.

Then they'll sell like hotcakes over there.

If any/most of those titles show up on 360 in the US, the PS3 might never recover here. If they remain exclusive to the PS3, it'll likely be neck-and-neck.

GT5 won't save Sony in the US, because US gamers will likely migrate in droves to the Forza franchise. Forza won't ever make a dent in the JDM market, and so GT5 will still be a huge deal there.

[Eteric Rice]

The Japanese won't buy PS3's until the big exclusives come out, i.e. FFXIII and MGS4.

Then they'll sell like hotcakes over there.

If any/most of those titles show up on 360 in the US, the PS3 might never recover here. If they remain exclusive to the PS3, it'll likely be neck-and-neck.

GT5 won't save Sony in the US, because US gamers will likely migrate in droves to the Forza franchise. Forza won't ever make a dent in the JDM market, and so GT5 will still be a huge deal there.

The question is, when they buy it will they keep it? It could end up like the 360 and Blue Dragon. They buy the system, beat the game they wanted, and sell it back with relatively small losses.

Another thought is what if the MGS4 and FFXIII people were the ones that picked up the PS3 already?

Another problem is that FFXIII and MGS4 aren't due out until 2008. By then the lead of the other two consoles will be huge (if it isn't already).

Yeah, there's a lot going against them this time.

[swlovinist]

The PS3 is not dead, it is just slow going. The 360 had crap out until Gears and Advanced Warfighter. Both consoles are going to have to come down in price for sales to jump alot. The Wii does not have to be a powerhouse, it is proving two things the other two companies suck at...innovative and value. Until Sony and Microsoft stop focusing on technology instead of gameplay and innovation...My vote will be for Nintendo. Sure the system has alot of crap out for it, but when the holidays arrive with Mario Galaxy, Metroid 3, and Smash Brawl, those will help sales. I definately see the Wii surupassing the 360 this holiday.

[jajaja]

The question is, when they buy it will they keep it? It could end up like the 360 and Blue Dragon. They buy the system, beat the game they wanted, and sell it back with relatively small losses.

I've heard this too, but is there any proof that the majority of people did this with Blue Dragon for 360?



Another thought is what if the MGS4 and FFXIII people were the ones that picked up the PS3 already?

Thats one thing i've also been wondering about, not just about those 2 games, but the upcomming games like Ninja Gaiden, Singstar and Folks Soul. Will alot of people buy a PS3 because of this games or will the majority who buy the games already own a PS3.



Another problem is that FFXIII and MGS4 aren't due out until 2008. By then the lead of the other two consoles will be huge (if it isn't already).

Why is this a problem, that Nintendo and MS (possibly) have a bigger lead on Sony? You mean that people have by this time already bought Wii and/or 360 and will skip PS3 because of this?



Yeah, there's a lot going against them this time.

True, bigger competition this time, atleast at this moment :)

[Bronty-2]

"Why is this a problem, that Nintendo and MS (possibly) have a bigger lead on Sony? You mean that people have by this time already bought Wii and/or 360 and will skip PS3 because of this?"

I think he's basically talking about developers. Who wants to spend millions, or tens of millions putting together a game for a console with a small install base? Right now its not insurmountable at all, but the more they fall behind the less developers will be enthused about putting out products for ps3. Once someone gets a substantial lead its kind of like a snowball effect. Everyone's going to make games for the console in the lead to get access to the larger user base, which only further increases the lead.

The expense involved in developing for the ps3 just makes it worse if they fall behind. If current trends continue and the wii outsells ps3, why would you spend more money to develop on a console with fewer users? Just doesn't make sense. If wii can keep us this roll on its on, I see them getting a LOT more 3rd party support this time around.

[jajaja]

"Why is this a problem, that Nintendo and MS (possibly) have a bigger lead on Sony? You mean that people have by this time already bought Wii and/or 360 and will skip PS3 because of this?"

I think he's basically talking about developers. Who wants to spend millions, or tens of millions putting together a game for a console with a small install base? Right now its not insurmountable at all, but the more they fall behind the less developers will be enthused about putting out products for ps3. Once someone gets a substantial lead its kind of like a snowball effect. Everyone's going to make games for the console in the lead to get access to the larger user base, which only further increases the lead.

Sure, developers/publishers want their games to sell as much as possible, but its not only to make a game for the console that is selling the most. Take Gears of War for example, i belive one of the main reason why it sold so well is because it looks so incredible. If this game was released for like Wii or PS2 i belive it would be "just another shooter" and sell ok. A fishing game will probly do much better on Wii than on i.e 360 due to the controller, not just because of a bigger install base. Some games just suit (insert console here) better :)

I also belive that some developers are like "we can do this on console X, but we cannot do it on console Y" and make the game out from what they feel is the best, not just going by sale numbers. You might see alot more games on Wii compared to 360/PS3 (just look at PS2, its like 8000 games out for it), which is good of course because its alot more to choose from, but if the majority of these games are crap it doesnt "help" to have a huge library if you know what i mean. Neo Geo (atleast AES) doesnt exactly have a huge library, but it has alot of great games. So if 360/PS3 gets great games, but in a smaller quantity, it doesnt really bother me :)

[Bronty-2]

re your first paragraph, I never said that they wouldn't make any games for a console that's falling behind, just less of them.

re your second paragraph, there's probably some of that "we can do it on x but not y" at work, especially for guys that can write their own rules like hideo kojima or whatever. But I would bet a lot that what usually happens is management sits around at a table and says "wow, the wii is selling well, let's make more games for it." In other words, at least in the west, I highly doubt the people actually making the games are the ones making the strategic decisions about which consoles to support and whatnot. That's more the CEO/VP level and nothing speaks to them like install base and development costs, IMO. Just see the enormous ps2 library, like you said. Its all about money in the end and its just basic math - in most situations, you're just not going to pay more money to access a smaller install base.

[CreamSoda]

I think the PS3 is slowly(very slowly) shaping up to be a killer system. However it is going to take a few years, to really get on it's feet.

Look at the PS2...

I never really considered it to be a contender until late 2001, when the big guns like GTA3 and MGS2 came out. From then on it turned out to be a top quality console.

Look at the PS1...

The system was popular at launch, but it wasen't until FF7 when the system really became an icon.

Look at the PSP...

........ Cough, moving right along then... :p

IMO, all of the PlayStation systems have became a huge success(PSP I'm not looking at you), but it takes time.

[jajaja]

re your first paragraph, I never said that they wouldn't make any games for a console that's falling behind, just less of them.

re your second paragraph, there's probably some of that "we can do it on x but not y" at work, especially for guys that can write their own rules like hideo kojima or whatever. But I would bet a lot that what usually happens is management sits around at a table and says "wow, the wii is selling well, let's make more games for it." In other words, at least in the west, I highly doubt the people actually making the games are the ones making the strategic decisions about which consoles to support and whatnot. That's more the CEO/VP level and nothing speaks to them like install base and development costs, IMO. Just see the enormous ps2 library, like you said. Its all about money in the end and its just basic math - in most situations, you're just not going to pay more money to access a smaller install base.

I know, i didnt mean that you said that everyone would drop PS3/360 just because Wii is selling best at the moment. My point was that developers might see that there is a bigger chance to sell the game they are making on (insert console here) by numerous of factors, not just by biggest install base. Games like Gears of War (altho 360 had the biggest install base at the time when it comes to next-gen consoles (tho it was the only next-gen console on the market at the time hehe) but you know what i mean?). True, in the end its about the money, making games is afterall alot of people's work/income.

[Bronty-2]

yep..

[Iron Draggon]

PS3 exclusives and PS3 versions of PC & 360 games will spend much longer in development... this is already evident with Dirt... the PC & 360 versions will be released simultaneously on June 19th, but the PS3 version is still TBA... so obviously it's gonna take alot longer to code for the PS3, but the extra wait will no doubt be worth it to those willing to spend the large amount of extra cash for the priviledge... enjoy your new BLING BLING machine... KA-CHING!

BTW, I placed my preorder for the PC version of Dirt today, and I bought my nephew a copy of Sega's Chrome Hounds for the 360 for his birthday... the second 360 game I've bought for him now... it was only $26.79 at Sam's... :D

[slip81]

yeah, it may be off to a bad start, but i definately think that in three years, the ps3 will be the system to have, and that it will be mainly thnkas to the blu-ray drive.

i mean rockstar is already having trouble fitting GTA IV onto a dvd, what happens four years from now when they're making gta VII? Unless MS drop this nonsense of not wanting to "force format upon gamers" I can definately see them loosing bigger name games to the PS3 simply because they won't fit onto a DVD, or decent amount of them. I already think blue dragon is pushing it with 4 dvd's, and that's (realativly speaking) an early release title.

I think it's just a lot easier for people to believe that a mega corporation is stupid, and doesn't know what they're doing, but I doubt that is the case. like it or not, these types of corporations don't make the kind of money that do by making dumb decisions. Sony has been one of the world's leading electronics producers for decades, and have made two of the the most successfull game consoles in history.

i'm sure they knew what they were doing when the designed the thing, and it's probably just a matter of time.

[Anthony1]

The PS3 is not dead, it is just slow going. The 360 had crap out until Gears and Advanced Warfighter.


Um, GRAW was released in like March of 2006 right? That's only like 4 months after the 360 launched. You also had Oblivion in early April, or very late March. I keep seeing people talk about the Xbox 360 launch being so absolutely horrible, but it wasn't as bad as people are making it out to be. Sure, if you bought Gun and King Kong and Tony Hawk, then maybe the 360 had a horrible launch lineup, but it did have some decent games. I think Call of Duty 2 is still one of the best 360 games out there. I think the single player game is much better than COD3. Personally, I think there are only a couple of FPS better than COD2. COD2 to me, was the killer app of the Xbox 360 launch. Also Project Gotham Racing 3 was an outstanding racing game. Sure it got old after awhile, but for a launch game, it was outstanding. Maybe you can't stand racers, I'm not sure. Most Wanted was actually a pretty underrated racer that alot of people didn't pay much attention to. NBA 2K6 was absolutely fantastic if you were a NBA fan. Kameo, wasn't the greatest game in the world, but I think it was a pretty decent action/adventure type game. Condemned was a pretty cool game as well. So really, if you look at the Xbox 360 launch, it wasn't all that bad. And then in March, just 4 months after launch, it got GRAW and Oblivion. Summer it had Prey, and then in August, all hell broke loose with Saint's Row and Dead Rising.


I think the PS3 has a helluva lotta ground to make up to equal that pace. Sure, in the fall, when it has Heavenly Sword, and Uncharted and Ratchet and Clank, etc, etc, it will finally start to put together a decent library, but right now, it's pretty pitiful. Sigma looks decent, but let's face it, it's a "been there done that" game. Lair sounds promising, but for some strange reason I think it might ultimately be a train wreck. I'm definitely going to check out both games for extended rentals, with a possible purchase, but I'm not holding my breath that those games are going to save the PS3. For me, it's all about Uncharted and Ratchet and Clank, but both of those games can easily be November releases, so i'm not getting to hyped up for them yet.

[digitalpress]

I'm with Anthony1 this time. The PS3 launch is horrific. I'm not stocking PS3 systems or new titles until things turn around. I'm hoping Lair does that because it LOOKS like a system seller but we'll see. It's way behind where the 360 was at this point in time last year.

I'm no fanboy. I have a PS3 in my home and really WANT it to work out.

[geneshifter]

Lair sounds promising, but for some strange reason I think it might ultimately be a train wreck.

I've been feeling this way for a while about LAIR. One day, you'll see some just kick butt screenshots and the next day someone posts a gameplay video and it just blows. Also, I'm not sure if the gameplay wouldn't get boring after 15 min. I guess we'll see but I'm much more optimistic about Warhawk and Heavenly Sword than LAIR.

[Anthony1]

The thing about Lair, I'm more excited about it from a home theater nerd standpoint, than I am a video game nerd standpoint. You see Lair is one of the few PS3 games that is going balls to the wall when it comes to the PS3's advantage in sound quality. The PS3 actually has a major advantage over the Xbox 360 in this department. The PS3 can handle 7.1 channel LPCM sound in real time during games. Resistance: Fall of Man has already shown this, and the Warhawk beta has shown it as well, so why is Lair so special? Mainly because the developers are even more into home theater geekdom than I am. These dudes are hard core home theater buffs. They talked about it, in an interview awhile back. They said the things that they are doing for the video and audio quality of Lair is so far beyond the norm, so cutting edge, but that the honest truth is that very few people are actually going to experience it the way it was meant to be experienced. Only a fraction of people on Planet Earth have the necessary video and audio gear to experience Lair at it's ultimate level. Unfortunately for me, I don't have either. I don't have a 1080p display, and I won't anytime soon. As for the 7.1 lossless sound, well I actually do have a 7.1 speaker setup, but I don't have a receiver that can handle the lossless sound. Lair could change that for me.

Shane Bettenhausen of 1up, recently had the privledge to try out Lair, and he said that he was absolutely blown away by the 7.1 lossless sound. He said that the ochestral type soundtrack in lossless 7.1, sent chills down his spine. That's a pretty bold endorsement, and he said he's heard Resistance and Warhawks lossless sound and Lair's lossless sound puts it to shame.

So having said all of that, I'm extremely excited about Lair, mainly from an audio standpoint, and I'm looking to upgrade my receiver to one that can actually handle the lossless 7.1 sound, just in time for Lair's arrival.

[Hobbes]

The problem with calling the ps3 the new gamecube is that sony will never have the kind of quality first party development that nintendo did. Third party's will go to the system with the highest sales numbers, and FFXIII is almost confirmed not to be exclusive to the system, and Heido Kojima said that he was duped into working on the psp, which does not bode well for MGS4 exclusivity.

[monkeysuit]

The problem with calling the ps3 the new gamecube is that sony will never have the kind of quality first party development that nintendo did. Third party's will go to the system with the highest sales numbers, and FFXIII is almost confirmed not to be exclusive to the system, and Heido Kojima said that he was duped into working on the psp, which does not bode well for MGS4 exclusivity.

Wasn't there an article recently that put all of the "OMGZ FFXIII GOIN TO X360!1!1!!!!1!11!" rumors to rest? Also, does anyone have a link to some proof that Kojima was duped into working on the PSP?

[jajaja]

Wasn't there an article recently that put all of the "OMGZ FFXIII GOIN TO X360!1!1!!!!1!11!" rumors to rest? Also, does anyone have a link to some proof that Kojima was duped into working on the PSP?

Yep, it was recently confirmed (sort of) that 360 isnt getting FF13. They said they had no plans on release any FF games on 360. They can still port FF13 tho, but if that happend i'm sure it will come long after the PS3 version.


June 5, 2007 - Looking for more Final Fantasy following the Xbox 360 port of Final Fantasy XI? Then you're going to have to look to a different next generation system. A Square Enix executive has disclosed to Japan's Nikkei BP that the company currently has no plans for Final Fantasy games on the 360.

Noting that the PS3 is getting Final Fantasy XIII, the website asked Square Enix's Shinji Hashimoto if the Wii or Xbox 360 will also be getting games in the series. "For the Wii, we have FF Crystal Chronicles in production," replied Hashimoto. "As for FF on the Xbox 360, it's currently a completely blank page."

Strong words from Hashimoto, although perhaps if everyone goes out and buys Last Remnant (that includes you!), Square Enix will have a change of heart.


http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/794/794164p1.html

[gepeto]

Yep, it was recently confirmed (sort of) that 360 isnt getting FF13. They said they had no plans on release any FF games on 360. They can still port FF13 tho, but if that happend i'm sure it will come long after the PS3 version.




http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/794/794164p1.html


Rule #1 never believe corperate statements
Rule # 2 Always show loyalty even if you plan to backstab
rule#3 the most important one Make money by any means necessary and deal with the hurt feelings later.

Judging from square enix last few years I would say that loyalty is a long gone thought. There was back in the psx nintendo era but now forget it. I believe they just release these statements to keep the hardcore fans base appeased and not rioting like when the switch to the pasx fo final fantasy 7.

[jajaja]

Rule #1 never believe corperate statements
Rule # 2 Always show loyalty even if you plan to backstab
rule#3 the most important one Make money by any means necessary and deal with the hurt feelings later.

Judging from square enix last few years I would say that loyalty is a long gone thought. There was back in the psx nintendo era but now forget it. I believe they just release these statements to keep the hardcore fans base appeased and not rioting like when the switch to the pasx fo final fantasy 7.

I just wanted to show that Square Enix had officially said that they had no plans to make any FF games for 360. It was directed to the quote where it said that it had almost been confirmed that FF13 wasnt exclusive for PS3 (which is true, like i.e you do have FF12 for DS and you might see a FF13 game on the DS too, but i mean the main FF13 game).

And why would they lie and say they have no plans to make a FF game for 360? It doesnt even have to be FF13 (the main game), it could be some different game based in the FF13 universe. True or not, thats what they said and that is what i stick to. Otherwise its just speculations.

[le geek]

Not yet but it IS hurting. If the Xbox was doing decently in Japan they would be screwed. The real test will be how it does when FFXIII and MGS4 come out in Japan.

I think the PS3 is kind of screwed in the US until--when and if--it costs the same as the 360. Or if they can prove there is a game that is only possible on the PS3, which I do not think will happen.

I also think that FFXIII and MGS4 will be, at least initially, exclusives for the PS3. I do not think they will sell well enough in the US and (like Resident Evil 4 on the gamecube) investors will demand they go multiplatform at least internationally...

Cheers,
Ben

[heybtbm]

and FFXIII is almost confirmed not to be exclusive to the system

It is official that FFXIII is not going to be on the 360. Plain and simple...

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/794/794164p1.html

[gepeto]

. I think they say exclusive to get many games out the door. When people say ports then you have people waiting trying to decide which one to get.


Read what one developer said about the ps3 install base. Square enix is no different.

http://spong.com/article/12029/Sony's%20Harrison:%20PS3%20Base%20Too%20Small%20Fo r%20GTA%20Exclusive?cb=623

Alas notice how the word exclusive is used

http://www.betanews.com/article/1078443185

[jajaja]

The PS3 install base isnt the biggest, no denying that, but its alittle funny since in order to get a bigger install base the console need good games. If people wont make games for it since the install base are small, how is it going to grow? Hehe. If PS3 was released within the same time period as 360 i'm sure the situation would be very different today.

That exclusive thing mentioned in the Betanews article is just written by a reporter. GTA:SA was only timed exclusive, thats probly what he ment. GTA have also never been a true Sony exclusive. All GTA games (maybe not Liberty City) have also been released for PC. You also have GTA games for GBC, GBA, DC and Xbox.

[Hobbes]

It was in game informer maybe 3 months ago that Hideo Kojima said that. I'll look it up and tell you which issue.

[Bluteg]

The advertising in Japan for the 360 is horrible. Microsoft is basically saying fuck you to Japan, except for a few exclusives. Look on youtube for Microsoft Japan's ads. I mean "Do, Do, Do!" with some jackasses dancing around is not good advertising. Also someone from another forum I visit from Japan said that when he went to one of the biggest electronic stores the PS3 was setup on three 60" Sony XBR's in the front of the store. The 360 was in the back on a 30" Samsung and wasn't even set to 720p, it was hooked up with composite cables on a HDTV.

Another fact for the November/December holidays is that Halo 3 is coming out a few weeks before GTA IV. When the two biggest games for casual gamers are coming out withen weeks for 360, Sony will be screwed for holiday sales. The only system pusher they have that MIGHT come out before 2008 in MGS4. I'm starting to doubt that will be exclusive to. Also 360 has Bioshock and The Darkness coming out before the holidays and both look amazing and are 360 exclusives. I think the install base will be neck and neck between Wii and 360 but I feel Sony is going to be a distant third in the US, Europe and Australia.

[Lothars]

The advertising in Japan for the 360 is horrible. Microsoft is basically saying fuck you to Japan, except for a few exclusives. Look on youtube for Microsoft Japan's ads. I mean "Do, Do, Do!" with some jackasses dancing around is not good advertising. Also someone from another forum I visit from Japan said that when he went to one of the biggest electronic stores the PS3 was setup on three 60" Sony XBR's in the front of the store. The 360 was in the back on a 30" Samsung and wasn't even set to 720p, it was hooked up with composite cables on a HDTV.

Another fact for the November/December holidays is that Halo 3 is coming out a few weeks before GTA IV. When the two biggest games for casual gamers are coming out withen weeks for 360, Sony will be screwed for holiday sales. The only system pusher they have that MIGHT come out before 2008 in MGS4. I'm starting to doubt that will be exclusive to. Also 360 has Bioshock and The Darkness coming out before the holidays and both look amazing and are 360 exclusives. I think the install base will be neck and neck between Wii and 360 but I feel Sony is going to be a distant third in the US, Europe and Australia.


The Darkness is definitly on the PS3 and Bioshock is rumored to be a PS3 title basically it might be a timed exclusive, I still don't think the 360 sales will really increase to much more, they might stay the same but I don't think they will get any better, through the PS3 really needs to drop the price ASAP, I still see overall the PS3 beating out the 360 by the end but it will be much closer than last generation.

[monkeysuit]

The Darkness is definitly on the PS3 and Bioshock is rumored to be a PS3 title basically it might be a timed exclusive, I still don't think the 360 sales will really increase to much more, they might stay the same but I don't think they will get any better, through the PS3 really needs to drop the price ASAP, I still see overall the PS3 beating out the 360 by the end but it will be much closer than last generation.

I'm willing to bet money I know of two titles that will most certainly move sales come September: GTA IV/Halo 3. Yes, GTA IV isn't an exclusive but it will only work to Microsoft's advantage due to their already enormeous user base.

[Lothars]

I'm willing to bet money I know of two titles that will most certainly move sales come September: GTA IV/Halo 3. Yes, GTA IV isn't an exclusive but it will only work to Microsoft's advantage due to their already enormeous user base.

That's true but I think overall system sales for the 360 won't increase that much even with the release of Halo 3 and GTA IV until they drop the price of the 360 but that's exactly the same thing with the PS3, the price needs to drop significantly.