which old systems that are most powerful and which arent

[LimpBizkit]

im buck and im 16 and im new here and im gonna start steeping up and im posting big topics. im new to here and video games but i done a lot of reading on inter net and wanted to list the olschool systems that are the most powerful from one to whatever. im only going from atari which was first up to n64 so i stopped there. i expect big replys and lots of comments but no disagreement because i already read the numbers and this the order im came up with so dont fight me im right :smash: that what happen

people who are new to video games like me use this list and pass it around so you know what systems are best and what are not so best so you know what to buy and what one strongest that way you can learn lesson about video game playing.

fourteen atari is 8 bit but it came first so it weakest system on the list

thirteen nes by nintendo 8 bit but came after atari which is 8 bit so nintendo more powerful but still weak compared to others

twelve sega master system by sega came after nintendo both are 8 bit but sega came second so its sega more powerful than nintendo

eleven turbografx 16 is first 16 bit system and more powerful than 8bit like nes by nintendo

ten sega genesis is 16 bit like turbografx by turbografx but since turbografx came first it is older an dless powerful than genesis by sega

nine super nintendo 16 bit and more powerful than sega genesis by sega because it released after it

eight sega cd is 16 bit system and stronger than genesis or super nintendo because it came after

six sega 32x is 32 bit so it more powerful than super nintendo by nintendo which is only 16 bit and more powerful than sega cd system by sega which is only 16 bit but most powerful 16 bit

five 3do is 32 bit and came after sega 32x so it is more powerful since its newer

four saturn came after 32x and 3do all three are 32 bit but saturn came last so it is more powerful than the other ones

three playstation came after 3do, saturn and 32x which are all 32 bit but playstation was last so its stronger and most powerful

two atari jaguar by atari is more powerful than playstation even though it came first but jaguar is 64 bit and playstations are 32 bit. jaguar also more powerful than 3do or saturn cause they are 32 bit too and not 64 bit jaguar was first before playstation but it was 64 bit because atari thinking ahead of playstaton and was smart so they made it the best of atari jaguar and playstation.

wanto know what one is number one. look

ta da

one nintendo n64 is most powerful both it and jaguar are 64 bits but jaguar came first so n64 is more powerful

[tom]

Number One should go to Magnavox Odyssey by a mile

btw, don't wanna fight you (I'm scared to death already), but:
twelve sms (SG1000) came before NES (famicom)
eleven Turbografx 16 is 8-bit
Nine SNES just a bit more 8 bit than 16 bit
one N64 based on early 90s Silicon Graphics technology (93/94) (the first Ultra 64 demos appeared in 1993)

[DigitalSpace]

If this is a joke account, it's lame.

(And if it isn't a joke account, it's just sad.) :shameful:

[drewbrim]

Are you sure you're only 16? I'd check that birth certificate because you post more like a 12 yr old.

[Pantechnicon]

im buck and im 16 and im new here and im gonna start steeping up and im posting big topics.

God help us...

I'm all for "big topics", but will you please at least try to rise to write, spell and use grammar at a 10th grade level before you start these big topics? I'm begging you here, Buck. Nobody will care what you have to say unless you can post somewhat intelligibly. If you don't believe me, ask RugalSizzler.

Protip: If you can't adequately proofread your own work, write it in MS Word first, run the grammar and spell checks, then paste it into the forum editor.

Sorry, people, I don't want to be the grammar cop, but sometimes it's just overwhelming.

[boatofcar]

Let's all just hope English is not this person's first language.

[Vinnysdad]

I have a headache now. I need to start keeping the aspirin next to my computer.

[RJ]

IMO the username "LimpBizkit" tells us all we need to know...:roll:

[TurboGenesis]

limp bizquit in the house yall LOL ROFL LOL

lock please
ban please
name change please

[Tommy]

Very informative :dance:

[idrougge]

twelve sms (SG1000) came before NES (famicom)


The SG-1000 came out slightly before the NES, but the Master System is not an SG-1000. The Master System/Mark III was made to compete with the NES which had crushed the SG-1000.



Nine SNES just a bit more 8 bit than 16 bit


No, it's perfectly 16-bit. But the Megadrive is a bit more 32-bit.

[j_factor]

32x came out after 3DO.

I don't know why I'm responding to this topic...

[Flack]

Buck, brace yourself for a rocky reception. I do not know that sixteen years on this Earth are long enough to prepare you for what you are about to receive.

[bangtango]

Two thoughts:

1. I wonder what system was ranked 7. He skipped right over it.

2. That is quite a list. Add him to the ranks of people who pound their chest and loudly claim, to this day, that the Jaguar was the most powerful video game system on the market until the N64 (or even the Dreamcast) came out. #2 looks like it was written by an Atari fanboy who is still a little bitter.


two atari jaguar by atari is more powerful than playstation even though it came first but jaguar is 64 bit and playstations are 32 bit. jaguar also more powerful than 3do or saturn cause they are 32 bit too and not 64 bit jaguar was first before playstation but it was 64 bit because atari thinking ahead of playstaton and was smart so they made it the best of atari jaguar and playstation.

[stargate]

please don't feed the trolls guys.... this is obviously a joke.

[Push Upstairs]

What 16 yr old likes Limp Bizkit? They have (rightfully so) become passe.

[wallydawg]

I remember listening to Limp Bizkit in middle school. 8th grade was all about listening to them and Korn, while trying to find the baggiest pair in JNCO jeans imaginable.

[PDorr3]

heres two more of this guys posts:


nick names buck and i come here to be a big dog on a forums and im just rollin rollin rollin rollin:king:

owna xbox and 360. owna ps1 2 and 3. owna nes and am buying games by the bunch is.

and the one from the Gamestop Gamerday sale topic...



hay i dont think your allowed to show us those until the sale starts. it says on them they are gamestop confidential and employes cant show anybosdy so it isnt a good idea :o id be worried if i was...

If this guy is for real thats really sad...

[Cambot]

If this guy is for real thats really sad...

I dunno, maybe he's Jamaican.

[bangtango]

What 16 yr old likes Limp Bizkit? They have (rightfully so) become passe.

Limp Bizkit is so passe that even Fred Durst doesn't like listening to his own shit anymore.

[Anthony1]

no way this shit is real, but for about 10 seconds it was the funniest thing I've read in a long, long time!

[Push Upstairs]

I remember listening to Limp Bizkit in middle school. 8th grade was all about listening to them and Korn, while trying to find the baggiest pair in JNCO jeans imaginable.

Sounds like that was about 1998-2000 or around there. Are JNCO jeans even popular anymore?



Limp Bizkit is so passe that even Fred Durst doesn't like listening to his own shit anymore.

Best thing he has ever done next to disbanding the group.

[DefaultGen]

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[Dan Boleo]

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[RugalSizzler]

Buck Shut the :bad-words:(what rymes with buck) up and go back to your South Park Elemtary School. Your out of your leage and you don't know what you are talking about.

The SNES nore the genesis or Saturn is old not even the Mega Drive or NES is old. Not even Pong or Pac-man is old. There is just some people who prefer a little age and there is some people that prefer unripened edges.

I suggest that you try and maintaine maintaine maintaine ( as my old my shift boss leader would say ) your skills and upgrade as fst as possible. Become a busboy and maybe they even upgrade you to chef and you make like $2000 in one month if your lucky and $1100 minimum.

Anyways maintaine maintaine maintaine your life and I am sure you too can exprience Videogames of the ninties and nail a 80's pron star also. Your only 16 you need to get out there and start scoring as many puntang points as you can not talk about games that you never had the joy of grewing up with.

When I was your age I should have been on a sports team, learning how to drive, and working on my bod. Not talking about which pokemon is more powerfull or dancing around the fact I finally caught Mewtwo.

Also know how to do your math since Math teachers in college is a waste of life along with the fatty pointless engrish teachers. Maybe you can develope a student teacher relationship with Ms. Robbinson or something like that and learn a thing or two about how it is really or how it was.

Lastly I suggest getting off the Mario and stay far away from Gears Of War that stuff is tripy and is no good for a hopefully tight body like yours.

The keep it short and sweet bits is less the MegaBytes and that was in terms of the display method. As with the SNES was in 16-bit along with the PSX. 16-bit is only a display method for colours and during that time we had 32 bit color and even 64 bit color. The Saturn haves 24-bit true color methods and is easily seen in all games. There is more to it but I ma not going to go Gogola and make a huge thing about it.

Still I suggest not buying anything for a couple of years and work towards your goals and stay in school since all that is outside during regular hours is
bums, drop-outs, and jobless people like me. Night is also better then day since nobody is outside and it is alot cooler.

Also work on your bod man don't be play games like me. You go outside and get yourself that stepford wife of your dream:cheers:



i expect big replys and lots of comments but no disagreement because i already read the numbers and this the order im came up with so dont fight me im right that what happen

The only reason you get comments for writing this and that is that you sound and probably look like Nintendo Nerd Prodagy and personally trying to grow your like a Japanese person is not going to happen at allROFL

What your talking about is soooOOOOOOoooo 1993

[LimpBizkit]

think im in over my head this wasnt the replys i was hoping for. feel like im gonna puke :puke: like this guy. promise ill do better on m,y next list

[Cranky Kong]

Buck Shut the :bad-words:(what rymes with buck) up and go back to your South Park Elemtary School. Your out of your leage and you don't know what you are talking about.

Fight on the short bus! Fight on the short bus!

[djbeatmongrel]

I put LimpBizkit and RugalSizzler's posts in my spell checker. The spell checker just opened up a bottle of Jack Daniels and said "I'm out"

[DefaultGen]

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[Push Upstairs]

Feels like April Fools Day all over again.

[tom]

i quite enjoyed it

[Damaramu]

Yes indeed, the fun never stops here at DP!

[PentiumMMX]

Add him to the ranks of people who pound their chest and loudly claim, to this day, that the Jaguar was the most powerful video game system on the market until the N64 (or even the Dreamcast) came out. #2 looks like it was written by an Atari fanboy who is still a little bitter.

Quoted for truth. PSX & Saturn > Jaguar in terms of power.

[RugalSizzler]

Quoted for truth. PSX & Saturn > Jaguar in terms of power.

That is really a good question. How much power could the Jaguar dish out. I mean I have seen the games and the Jaguar even with the CD add-on did graphics the SNES could handle in a second.

The only thing I did see that was diffrent was one fighting game that was in 3d and that is about it.

Personally the Jaguar was asking for death first day on arrival with it's Arcade and American like self it was so unintresting and dorkous lorkus.

[bangtango]

That is really a good question. How much power could the Jaguar dish out. I mean I have seen the games and the Jaguar even with the CD add-on did graphics the SNES could handle in a second.

Without running to Wikipedia or a comprehensive web site with all of the system specs, I'd guess the Jaguar was somewhere in the neighborhood of the 3DO or 32X when it came to horsepower. I'm not sure which one would come out on top.

I can see why you ask this question. There is so much misinformation out there about the Jaguar. Hang around the right web sites and you can read all sorts of myths. Here are a couple I've seen around the net.

"Black Ice/White Noise (unreleased Jaguar CD game) was years ahead of its time. If it had been released on Jaguar CD, it would have been as big as Grand Theft Auto III!"

"Atari Jaguar was the most advanced video game system on the market until the N64 (or Dreamcast) came out."

I've seen that second one a bunch of times.

[CreamSoda]

I'm not here to flame, or correct facts.

But I do have one thing to say "Elemtary School." LOL

[Icarus Moonsight]

LimpBizkit vs RugalSizzler: He who can slaughter English the moster is the winnerest!

So much for "steeping up" and BIG TOPICS. Thanks for the headache, slight chuckle and of course :deadhorse:

[Push Upstairs]

Now all we need is a banner proclaiming this "fight".

Fred Durst vs. the most creative interpretation of Rugal.

[starfox316]

All the system with the newer robots is best at powerful.


ok guys, I'm gonna steep it up and go big topics on this one:

Number One should have been Virtual Boy, little known fact: VB actually came installed with a nuclear missile launch/navigation program. The only way to activate the program get this #1 awesome bombs power is to survive playing the virtual boy without getting a mind-blowing migraine. You also can't vomit blood.



P.S.

I, too, am limping with the bizkit.

(shudders and almost gags)

[Push Upstairs]

*TWO* people on here who like Limp Bizkit?

The entire remaining LB fanbase posts here!

[Icarus Moonsight]

Here ya go fellas! GO FOR BROKE!!!

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z230/Acidic_Pain/LBvsRugal.jpg

A re-caption just cause I can... and have nothing better to do at present. :P

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z230/Acidic_Pain/LBvsRugal2.jpg

Here's a blank one. Caption it yourself for yukks.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z230/Acidic_Pain/LBvsRugalBlank.jpg

[veronica_marsfan]

N64 is not 64 bit.

It uses 32-bit addressing, same as the PS1 and all the other modern consoles.

[DigitalSpace]

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7127/lbvsrugal2tm2.jpg

[LimpBizkit]

so thatsa way its gonna be. rar now im mad NOW IM REALLY MAD :grrr: i win every fight im in and like i said this what happens to people who fight me :smash: got a chainsaw skin yor ass raw! its a limp bizkit song. get it huh i dont really have a chain saw my dad might

[DigitalSpace]

lol internet hostility

[Sweater Fish Deluxe]

1. I wonder what system was ranked 7. He skipped right over it.
Perhaps the Intellivision? But really that should be at #11 between the Master System and TurboGrafx since it's 16-bit which is better than 8-bit like the Master System, but it was released before the TurboGrafx so it's not as good even though both are 16-bit.

And where's the damn 1292 Advanced Programmable? Why does everyone always forget about the 1292 Advanced Programmable?!


...word is bondage...

[Sneekpeaks]

i couldnt finish reading it to be honest with you lol

[DefaultGen]

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[Pantechnicon]

i dont really have a chain saw my dad might

Maybe your dad should give you the chainsaw and send you out to do something productive like cut firewood instead of allowing you to sit at his computer all day typing inanity.

[idrougge]

N64 is not 64 bit.

It uses 32-bit addressing, same as the PS1 and all the other modern consoles.

So the Megadrive is 24-bit and the NES is 16-bit, then?

[Jorpho]

That is really a good question. How much power could the Jaguar dish out. I mean I have seen the games and the Jaguar even with the CD add-on did graphics the SNES could handle in a second.

The only thing I did see that was diffrent was one fighting game that was in 3d and that is about it.

The story I've heard is that the Jaguar contained (among many other things) a 16-bit Motorola 68k CPU, the same processor used in the Genesis, Amiga, NeoGeo, CD-i, pre-PPC Macintosh, etc. Although it was originally intended only to coordinate the various other processors in the system, some programmers made use of little of the system's other resources due to the familiarity of the 68k.

[Icarus Moonsight]

so thatsa way its gonna be. rar now im mad NOW IM REALLY MAD :grrr: i win every fight im in and like i said this what happens to people who fight me :smash: got a chainsaw skin yor ass raw! its a limp bizkit song. get it huh i dont really have a chain saw my dad might

:bareass: :texaschain: EEK! At least I'm not going to be stabbed in the face through the interwebs, only chainsawed up the arsenal. :rolleyes:

Beware Limpy. I'm allies with your nemesis ViagraGravy. LOL Too be honest I only poked fun at ya cause it was too easy and I was bored. That Rugal guy is going down though. :P

[Icarus Moonsight]

the most creative interpretation of Rugal.

Does this work? :D

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z230/Acidic_Pain/RugalSizzlerApron.jpg

Alrighty, that was fun... but I'm done.

[tom]

The story I've heard is that the Jaguar contained (among many other things) a 16-bit Motorola 68k CPU, the same processor used in the Genesis, Amiga, NeoGeo, CD-i, pre-PPC Macintosh, etc. Although it was originally intended only to coordinate the various other processors in the system, some programmers made use of little of the system's other resources due to the familiarity of the 68k.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, the Motorola 68000 is a 32-bit chip (hence the Atari ST name: ST sixteen/thirtytwo (16-bit bus, 32-bit CPU), but the Jaguar was one of the first systems where the CPU became mostly irrelevant due to the other processors Tom and Jerry. The Amiga CD32 (CPU: 68EC020) was developed in this way first, AGA and Akiko chips. Most coders didn't understand this, and just coded the 68K way.
Nowadays common with Wii (CPU: PowerPC), PS3 (PowerPC-based) and 360 (Xenon), these consoles are only 64-bit if you go by the CPU alone. It's the extra chips which make the performance nowadays.

On the Jaguar the 68K chip was mainly used for housekeeping, joystick reading...etc

[veronica_marsfan]

As mentioned earlier in this thread, the Motorola 68000 is a 32-bit chip (16-bit bus, 32-bit CPU), ....

Wow. I just learned something new. My Commodore Amiga was a 32-bit CPU.

Cool. :)

[blue lander]

The SG-1000 came out slightly before the NES, but the Master System is not an SG-1000. The Master System/Mark III was made to compete with the NES which had crushed the SG-1000.



No, it's perfectly 16-bit. But the Megadrive is a bit more 32-bit.

The 65816 in the SNES is just barely 16 bit. It's got an 8 bit data bus, and it's basically just a 6502 with a few more instructions and 16 bit wide registers.

[veronica_marsfan]

Dumb question:

If the SNES is "barely 16 bit" and the Genesis using a 32-bit 68000, why does the SNES tend to have faster updates of the graphics?

Aside:

The Genesis always reminded me of an Amiga in the box. Same CPU, same speed, identical-looking graphics.... only the sound was inferior.

[Jorpho]

Dumb question:

If the SNES is "barely 16 bit" and the Genesis using a 32-bit 68000, why does the SNES tend to have faster updates of the graphics?

Aside:

The Genesis always reminded me of an Amiga in the box. Same CPU, same speed, identical-looking graphics.... only the sound was inferior.

As mentioned above, the Amiga had a lot of other things that the Genesis definitely did not. I'd think the wider range of available on-screen colors is one of the most significant differences.

Apart from the CPUs, the SNES and Genesis also had very different video processors, it seems.

[tom]

Again, to do with co-processors and DMA, but even the Genesis sported a VDP, otherwise nothing else (The Z80 was only for SMS support). I suppose it's down to the programmer, and how good or bad he manages to tickle the best out of the system. Look at some early SNES titles (R-Type) and how the system crawls along

[bangtango]

Holy crap. This might be turning into a legitimately valid thread about system power after a rocky start.

[tom]

Dumb question:

If the SNES is "barely 16 bit" and the Genesis using a 32-bit 68000, why does the SNES tend to have faster updates of the graphics?

Aside:

The Genesis always reminded me of an Amiga in the box. Same CPU, same speed, identical-looking graphics.... only the sound was inferior.

also, as Jorpho said, the Amiga had extra processors, Denise, Agnus and whatever. But look at the ST, only used a raw 68k CPU (Blitter came much later), but runs much faster than any Amiga software

[Gentlegamer]

The 65816 in the SNES is just barely 16 bit. It's got an 8 bit data bus, and it's basically just a 6502 with a few more instructions and 16 bit wide registers.Would it be reasonable to speculate that the use of this processor indicated an abandoned NES backward compatability?

[tom]

Would it be reasonable to speculate that the use of this processor indicated an abandoned NES backward compatability?

You got it in one, the 65C816 is fully 6502 compatible, as seen with the Apple ][GS (runs Apple ][ software).
If Nintendo ever planned backwards compatibility, one can only wish...if only...

[blue lander]

Dumb question:

If the SNES is "barely 16 bit" and the Genesis using a 32-bit 68000, why does the SNES tend to have faster updates of the graphics?



The SNES had a far better set of support chips than the Genesis did. A good programmer would offload most of the work to the SNES's PPU. Otherwise you get games like Super R-Type that run at a snail's pace. How many "bits" a CPU isn't directly tied to that CPU's performance, nor is how powerful a CPU directly tied to how powerful the console is.

[Jorpho]

Again, to do with co-processors and DMA, but even the Genesis sported a VDP, otherwise nothing else (The Z80 was only for SMS support).

The Z80 also did sound (or so I have been led to believe thus far).

[goemon]

This thread is starting to deviate from its original topic. Someone needs to say something really, really stupid to get it back on track.

[tom]

Genesis sound chips:
Yamaha YM2612
Texas Instruments SN76489 built into VDP (for SMS, but could be used for Genesis mode too)

[tom]

This thread is starting to deviate from its original topic. Someone needs to say something really, really stupid to get it back on track.

Actually, who is LimpBizkit ?

[blue lander]

The Z80 also did sound (or so I have been led to believe thus far).

I'm pretty sure the Z80 is used as the synthesizer for lack of a better term. It drives the the actual sound chip. I don't think the 68000 can even see the sound chip, only the Z80 has direct access.

[Vectorman0]

Actually, who is LimpBizkit ?
Someone in this thread.....

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7005/1180540000058fr9.gif

Is the culprit!

[Gentlegamer]

You got it in one, the 65C816 is fully 6502 compatible, as seen with the Apple ][GS (runs Apple ][ software).
If Nintendo ever planned backwards compatibility, one can only wish...if only...It's too bad the SNES had to be "held back" in its CPU, mostly in speed (compared to Genny). Then again, I think if Nintendo had gone ahead with NES compatability, Genny wouldn't have stood a chance.

Either way, a lost opportunity, I guess.

[goemon]

Someone in this thread.....

[Prairie Dog]

Is the culprit!

I suspect that limp biscuit fellow.

[DigitalSpace]

This thread is starting to deviate from its original topic. Someone needs to say something really, really stupid to get it back on track.

Something really, really stupid!

(Couldn't resist. And since I suck at power discussions, this will probably be my last post in this thread.)

[Sweater Fish Deluxe]

The real problem with the Jaguar is that Atari never released any libraries for developers. The Jaguar is one of the most complicated architectures ever seen in a consumer product, but Atari did nothing to help developers use it or even understand it. I'm sure some documentation was available, but I guess it was sort of assumed that developers would just write their Jag code in assembly or something, which is totally absurd looking back, but that's how things were don back then. It was Sony and that introduced the idea of C development libraries really, even though the Playstation wasn't nearly as complicated as the Jaguar. Even Sega made the same mistake initially, I don't think they released any libraries to third party developers until some time late in 1996 (though apparently they had libraries for internal use at least) and I'm sure that's a big part of why the Saturn wasn't as successful as it could have been, especially since it was certainly on a level with the Jaguar as far as complexity of hardware.

I don't think any released Jaguar games display even a significant fracion of what the system is actually capable of. Think of it in terms of development cycles; we all know that especially the graphical elements of games get better and better on a single platform as programmers get more experience with the hardware and begin to learn the ins and outs of coding on it. Did the Jaguar even see a solid second development cycle? I don't think so. Or not a third in any case. And with such a complex architecture and such a lack of support form Atari, multiple development cycles would have absolutely crucial for the Jaguar.

It seems to me that the Jag was a really powerful architecture despite some stupid design flaws that were introduced to cut costs. I bet an experienced coder if such a thing had ever had the chance to develop could have quite easily done stuff very similar even to the first generation of N64 games.


...word is bondage...

[TurboGenesis]

In regards to the Genesis Z80;

The Genesis 3 is with out the Z80 this is correct? I am not notice issue with sound. How is Genesis 3 perform with out Z80 chip. Games are play fine I am not having problem as games are sounding fine :?