Is the NWC price going to drop due to reproductions ?

[leonk]

I'm not sure how many of you follow NESDEV, but a great developer by the name of bunnyboy (with the help of rbudrick) is about to start selling NWC reproductions (along with other development carts and boards).

So what do people think of this? Will the NWC price finally drop? Or will it still continue to go up?

How long is it going to be before we see this carts inside real looking NWC gray carts being offered up on eBay?

In any case, I congratulate the duo for a job well done.

[Oobgarm]

I'd say the genuine article will always command the money it has. Collectors will always want it.

I'd also figure that there would be a slight difference between the repro and an original, even if someone ends up making everything look the same somehow. Besides, the people who are spending that kind of money will want every tiny detail pointed out to them if there's a possibility of a 'fake'.

The people who are interested in the repro are most likely those of us(myself included) who'd love to have their own NWC but can't come up with the funds to get the real deal, so that wouldn't hurt the price since they aren't even in the bidding for one to begin with...and if they did bid a low amount like $700 and expected to get one, they're insane. :)

Just my thoughts.

[bunnyboy]

As the creator of the repro and owner of a gold cart, I say this will not affect prices at all. NWC is a special case where the original physical cart is the value. It has already been dumped so it isn't like an unreleased proto. It is completely playable on some emulators. If prices do drop then my gold cart loses huge value, but I would be able to get a gray cart cheaper :) I expected some controversy so feel free to discuss but first check out the pictures at http://www.nintendoage.com/

This reproduction is clearly marked repro, the board is drastically different, and most importantly does not include any dip switches. Reproduction does not mean duplicate. Someone putting this board into a gray cart would still need to add fake (non functional) switches on a separate board. There are also some cart edge pins that are a different width, so a high quality external photo would be enough to tell if its real or fake.

Anyone could still try to make a real duplicate, but this certainly is NOT it.

[bangtango]

Thoughts........

1. It'd be fun to play a repro but I wouldn't want to be the greenhorn who runs around a gaming convention bragging about owning one while in a room with 2-3 people who have the real cart.

2. EDIT: Written before seeing BunnyBoy's explanation right above mine.

3. I don't see why the value would go down. I don't think people who pay huge amounts of money for the real cart buy them solely to play them. Now if a reproduction was at a decent price, you'd probably have some people buying them mostly to play. I could be wrong, though.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Repros in this case would be cool, but only if the original program data is altered so that it shows "THIS IS A REPRODUCTION!" before the game even boots. That way, nobody will get scammed into buying a repro thinking it's the real deal. :)

And the original's price will never drop. EVER. If anything it'll grow with this.

Edit: Wait, no dips? That sucks. It would be nice if the dips were implemented via a trainer that shows up at the beginning. :p

[DefaultGen]

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[Oobgarm]

How much is he selling these for? Is it legal to sell repros of NWC :-\

Price is unknown ATM.

[jajaja]

I dont think the value will go down. People who are willing to pay like $2000 for the cart doesnt do it just so they can play it, its mostly for the collection value, and that will still remain in my opinion.

[MarioMania]

if it's like $30 I'm on board to buy one..

[Richter Belmount]

Maybe we just need certificates of authenticity for video gaming now.

[leonk]

I'm looking forward to getting my hands on this cart.

Would we have a choice of color for the cart? Or will they all be blue?

[MarioMania]

What is the Dip-Switches for anyways on the NWC Cart

[Oobgarm]

Timer settings.

[udisi]

It won't hurt the value at all. 1st, the cart looks extremly different from a real NWC. 2nd it is a different board, it's doesn't have dips, and is set permenantly at the 6:21 time limit. 3rd-the repo looks awsome and thanks a bunch to bunnyboy for showing the skills to actually hardwire this cart. I love the custom molded cases and boards. Very high quality stuff. Here's hoping the Nes homebrew world gets like the atari homebrew world.

[MarioMania]

Timer settings.

Thanks, How would you change the time limit on it

[cyberfluxor]

Awesome news. The clear, dark bluish cartridge is great! Is the game going to come with a box and manual?

[Kitsune Sniper]

Thanks, How would you change the time limit on it

You can't.

[dlopez9069]

I know id buy one the case looks great
I dont see the price value thing because if your buying a repro then your not willing to spend the lets just say crap load of money that a real NWC cost and if you already own one youre not gonna sell it for cheaper
& when does this thing come out for sell?

[Oobgarm]

when does this thing come out for sell?

It's been said that it's today, but I've not seen anything up on the site for it.

[xtremegamer]

Still nothing on the site, man I would love to get my hands on one of these!

[clarkkr79]

Well speaking of whcih, NWC cart just listed on ebay, grey cart.. asking price 2k

[Vinnysdad]

I would like to get one of those. I like the way the blue case looks. Hopefully they sell at a decent price.

[MarioMania]

Well you could always find a Game Genie Code to extend the time

[leonk]

update: Price is 45$ + shipping.

[MarioMania]

update: Price is 45$ + shipping.

Not bad a price..If I would send him a Gold Zelda Shell, would he make one

[idrougge]

What the hell is an NWC?

[Oobgarm]

What the hell is an NWC?

http://www.atarihq.com/tsr/nes/nwc/nwc.html

MarioMania: Order one and then put it in your own case.

I'm disappointed that I missed the first run, but I hope to score one next time-provided they're available at a more 'normal' hour, rather than 2:30AM EST.

[xtremegamer]

I sat up until about midnight waiting for one since the rumor was they were to be release on Wed. May 30th. Oh well, hope I get a next run one as well.

[leonk]

Not bad a price..If I would send him a Gold Zelda Shell, would he make one

I think the reason why they're using custom colored shells is to avoid confusion with the real cart.

Also, take a look at the label. It seems each one is numbered. But the number seems to appear in the lower left hand corner rather than the typical middle top.

[rbudrick]

Wait, they already went on sale? WTF?

Oh, BTW, to be fair, I only wrote and designed the manual. BunnyBoy did EVERYTHING else.

-Rob

[MarioMania]

I think the reason why they're using custom colored shells is to avoid confusion with the real cart.

Also, take a look at the label. It seems each one is numbered. But the number seems to appear in the lower left hand corner rather than the typical middle top.

Oh ok, I have to wait on it anyways..I'm going to be picky about how I spend in the next 2 months

[xtremegamer]

Anybody have any leads as to when these will be available again?

[Parpunk]

Anybody have any leads as to when these will be available again?

As of right now i dont believe there has been a date for when the next batch will become available yet. But im sure it wont be too long, he just has to order some parts to make more.

Im actually the first customer to get one. I got it before he had finished the cart, so in the meantime i had to make my own cart for it. heres a thread to the buzz about eveything>>

http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=1111&enterthread=y

Now ill tell ya this thing is freakin sweet! Bunnyboy really knows what he is doing. It plays and works exactly like a REAL NWC, ive been playing it non stop. lots of fun and for a GREAT price.

As for an update They went for sale last night around 2:00 in the morning and were all sold by like 6:00 in the morning or something crazy like that. I had already gotten mine about a week ago, and its number 2. He's numbering them as well. From what i believe most of the people who got them were from nintendoage because thats where the first discussions started popping up. Now for those of you who love to play, collect, or even talk about the NES DEFINETLY check out www.nintendoage.com. It is a great site, especially if your into collecting NES.

[MarioMania]

OMG, sold out quick..How many did he make

[JC]

Oh, BTW, to be fair, I only wrote and designed the manual.

Cool, man. I can't wait to see it...it better be good.

And Parpunk, I pretty sure these sold out in less than 30 minutes.

[Parpunk]

yea they could have sold out in 30 mintues. I know everyone was amped about it lol. i was just glad to have gotten one already before he went Live with em. Because i know i wouldnt have been up at 2 in the morning, i would have that he would of just waited until the next day by the time 12 rolled around lol. but it was pretty cool to see how everyone waited it out.

If you wana see a picture of it go to www.nintendoage.com theres a pic of it on the front page. (the gold one is the one i made, because i got mine before his cart was finished)

[boatofcar]

Count me in for the next batch as well. Gosh, those are awesome.

[bangtango]

*after checking out the photos of the cart*

Job well done. I'm not in the market to purchase that repro, so I'm not a prospective buyer, but it looks good. Hopefully some more carts are finished soon for the interested parties who have already posted here.

[DefaultGen]

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[Parpunk]

All i can say is contact bunnyboy at nintendoage.com :-) i heard he might have some next week :-)

By the way if you guys are into the NES join www.nintendoage.com Biggest NES database site ever and some of the most insane nes collectors around lol. Huge collections and tons of info! Join, start a forum in the "introduce yourself" tell everybody a little about ya, and tell em parpunk sent ya ;-).

nah but for real it is a great site, and everyone there always knows what the news is on projects like these, and youll be first to know THERE when the next batch of them will be. I think he sold 18 of them last night and they were all to members on nintendoage.com because we were the first to hear about em. Good luck guys! i hope everyone gets one :-)

[WarLordAG]

I too wish I had gotten in on this.
Fell asleep too early.

Next time, I"ll definitely get one.
Assuming there will be a next time. Hopefully a larger run.

[mb7241]

I managed to be among the lucky ones that got them. I refreshed about every 8-10 seconds from about 1 AM up until they were officially listed (about 1:55 AM). As soon as they were listed, I placed my order for two. From what I understand, 20 were made with this first run...#1 I believe will likely be staying with bunnyboy, Parpunk has #2, rbudrick has/will be most likely getting #3, and eBay will be getting #4, according to what I read at NintendoAge. If such is the case, here's hoping that I get #5 and #6 :) .

[WarLordAG]

Has he confirmed he will indeed be making more?
I assume so, as the site still shows the game.

I would also imagine as well as the first batch went, he would make more.

[Oobgarm]

Has he confirmed he will indeed be making more?
I assume so, as the site still shows the game.

I would also imagine as well as the first batch went, he would make more.

Yes. He's waiting on some chips to finish up more.

[sav127]

My wife and I play the NWC rom on our Wii almost every night.

My high score is 143,275, hers is 118,760.

Its so addicting.

[Oobgarm]

My wife and I play the NWC rom on our Wii almost every night.

My high score is 143,275, hers is 118,760.

Its so addicting.

I was unaware of this possibility.:hmm:

[sav127]

I was unaware of this possibility.:hmm:

Not sure if your being sarcastic or not.

PM me if you info on how to set it up or need the file.

[Griking]

The real question is how long before we start seeing them on eBay with asking prices in the hundreds?

[mills]

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http://www.retrousb.com/products_pictures/nwclarge.jpg

[Flack]

I'm not sure how many of you follow NESDEV, but a great developer by the name of bunnyboy (with the help of rbudrick) is about to start selling NWC reproductions (along with other development carts and boards). So what do people think of this? Will the NWC price finally drop? Or will it still continue to go up?

I'm pretty sure this will drop the price of the real carts. Just look at what the Volkswagon Bug kit-car market has done to the price of real Ferarris!

[jajaja]

It looks great! :) The manual also looks really sweet. Can't wait to get this one myself :)

[Vectorman0]

This won't do anything to the NWC price. All it will do is bring more attention to the NWC's.

I wonder though how Nintendo will feel about this. I wouldn't doubt they may want to put a stop to this once they get word of it.

[joedick]

I wonder though how Nintendo will feel about this. I wouldn't doubt they may want to put a stop to this once they get word of it.

If nintendo were really against it, they probably would have shut down nesreproductions.com a long time ago. Granted, these are games that have been released in the US that they are still profiting off of in some form (virtual console, etc), but because they aren't the full games hopefully nothing will come of it.

[rbudrick]

To anyone who bought this cart, there is a revision to the manual that Bunnyboy didn'tget in on time. So, you may have the OMGRAREBBQ version of the manual. The updated one fixed a lot of stupid errors I made, but added a page that was missing at the end too. If you bought this, and only if you bought this, send me a PM, and I'll get you the .pdf of it. Just please promise me you won't share it with anyone else who hasn't bought the game, OK? I just want to make sure Bunnyboy is fully supported. If you do share it with someone else who HAS bought the game, make sure they take the same oath, lol.

But, just to be sure, If there is no Sealie Seal of Approval on the front and back and there is no page 14 entitled Compliance with NWC Regulations, then you have the earlier one.

-Rob

[MarioMania]

What does the Dip-Switches do..like on the NWC Repo Cart the switches is down..for like 6 min

[rbudrick]

There are no switches on the repro cart.

The switches adjust the time the game runs on. Official competition time was 6 min, 21 sec (switch 3 up, switches 1, 2, 4 down). The grey cart's label lists the settings on it and what time amount they add. Strangely enough, the times listed on the cart are off by a few seconds (it says 6:15 on the label instead of 6:21).

-Rob

[MarioMania]

Thank you for the Info...

What's the Status on the 2nd Batch..I might get one in July

[chrisbid]

wouldnt it be cool if the N released NWC on the virtual console?

[xtremegamer]

Thank you for the Info...

What's the Status on the 2nd Batch..I might get one in July


2nd batch went on sale early afternoon today, of course they are already sold out again.

[Videogamerdaryll]

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http://www.retrousb.com/products_pictures/nwclarge.jpg


Man that's Nice!!

I'd like to have this as a conversation piece...Put it on display,then when asked about it give the story explanation of the NWC cart.

IMO this could actually make the price of the Original rise due to the exposure that this repro cart is bringing..

For me...I'd like to own this one then display a real one right next to it..

[98PaceCar]

Are there going to be more of these made? Seems like the market is there, but you have to be logged on at the exact minute they go on sale to have a chance. I'd gladly prepay for one (even extra if need be)..

[xtremegamer]

Are there going to be more of these made? Seems like the market is there, but you have to be logged on at the exact minute they go on sale to have a chance. I'd gladly prepay for one (even extra if need be)..


I think there maybe plans to release another batch, but it might be months from now. Bunnyboy does not accept pre-orders, pre-sales, or reserves. You just have to be lucky and catch one. For the past 11 days I have been periodically checking his website at least 30 times a day. I finally lucked out yesterday afternoon.

[clicked]

I had seen this before but everytime I go check the site it says temporarily unavailable. Anyone know when the next batch comes out? I'm dieing to get my hands on one.

[Skelix]

This thread was a waste of time, so its dug up every time a new batch is instantly sold out?

So my only chance to get one of these is to hang out at some guys website pressing refresh every 20 minutes hoping he sells more batches?

A little better heads up would be nice, or some kind of preorder list or something. At least that way he'd know how many people want em. I'd really like one.

So how many of you guys actually get one? Anyone want to sell theirs for > $45? I work and have better things to do then camp websites.

[MachineGex]

At least post what time you are going to put the next batch up for sale. Seems silly to keep it secret so EVERYONE is wasting time. When I asked, here is what I got;

"Its looking like sometime beginning of next week is when the next batch of ~25 NWC carts will be avail. There will never be any reservations, waiting lists, or preorders."

I checked back very often but was out of luck like most people.

[xtremegamer]

It's just luck of the draw. I missed the first batch and thought I would not get one, but I camped the website and got my order in yesterday. If you really want one, you will do anything for it including refreshing a webpage in the middle of the night from a dead sleep. This is what I went through for the past 11 days to get one. All I know is there is a possible 3rd batch a few weeks from now, but that is only rumor, no exact release date. I just got lucky and refreshed the screen at the right time. Good Luck to all!

[skaar]

It's just luck of the draw. I missed the first batch and thought I would not get one, but I camped the website and got my order in yesterday. If you really want one, you will do anything for it including refreshing a webpage in the middle of the night from a dead sleep. This is what I went through for the past 11 days to get one. All I know is there is a possible 3rd batch a few weeks from now, but that is only rumor, no exact release date. I just got lucky and refreshed the screen at the right time. Good Luck to all!

Man, it's the fact that people have to do shit like this nowadays to get anything cool that makes me want to drive-by a Best Buy pre-launch lineup.

[clicked]

I bet if he took pre-orders or announced when the next batch would be available more people would buy them. I know a lot of people that would buy one but would not be able to camp a website all day just to get it. Making a list saves everyone time.

[bunnyboy]

I bet if he took pre-orders or announced when the next batch would be available more people would buy them. I know a lot of people that would buy one but would not be able to camp a website all day just to get it. Making a list saves everyone time.
Obviously finding enough people to buy isn't a problem!

Having a preorder list saves a few seconds/minutes for some people, but screws everyone when either people don't pay or get angry when they did pay and have to wait so long because there is no set release date. This comes from recent business experience, not just a random decision. The release time also isn't a secret, it just happens to be whenever the carts have actually finished being produced. So far a posting has been made to at least nintendoage.com forums within minutes of the carts being available, so if you sign up for email notification there you don't even need to refresh the website. There are also website services that will notify you when another site changes, tho I don't know how fast they respond.

With all that said, 2-3 weeks until next batch will be ready! Need to get more parts and do a manual rev so its faster to produce...

[MarioMania]

Obviously finding enough people to buy isn't a problem!

Having a preorder list saves a few seconds/minutes for some people, but screws everyone when either people don't pay or get angry when they did pay and have to wait so long because there is no set release date. This comes from recent business experience, not just a random decision. The release time also isn't a secret, it just happens to be whenever the carts have actually finished being produced. So far a posting has been made to at least nintendoage.com forums within minutes of the carts being available, so if you sign up for email notification there you don't even need to refresh the website. There are also website services that will notify you when another site changes, tho I don't know how fast they respond.

With all that said, 2-3 weeks until next batch will be ready! Need to get more parts and do a manual rev so its faster to produce...

oh ok cool..Do you know the time frame to make more Power Paks..

[bunnyboy]

oh ok cool..Do you know the time frame to make more Power Paks..
More PowerPaks just went up, this is the last batch for weeks/months unless I can get some of the dead boards going. Those would just be put up once they work.

[MarioMania]

I won't beable to get one in 2 months..

You live close to me man...I was just in Redwood City a couple weeks ago at the Gamestop for the Games Sale