Whiney gamers ruin it for Hardcore gamers.

[BHvrd]

I was thinking today about the state of current gaming, and how in ways it could be much more enjoyable and immersive. I think back to the days of news reports of how some gamers would literally "track" other players in real life cause of things done to them "in game". I also have seen many fights break out over gaming as well. I was in a Bases Loaded championship back in the day and saw one guy break another guys nose cause he lost the playoff spot.

Gaming is just like any other sport, some are better than others, but it's a very young sport and people are still vastly under educated and almost even catered to because of this lack of being able to control their emotions. So who pays? We as videogamers do! When in real life someone can't excel in a certain aspect of life they generally "move on" and find something more suited to their abilities. So why in gaming do we constantly cater to these whiney gamers?

I think i'm in a vast majority, but one that just doesn't speak up enough. We as hardcore gamers have to start saying, hey, that's enough. Stop marketing in catering to every demographic and start catering to the majority. If the majority is people who don't like dangerous environments with consequences then I may just have to bow out myself, and I will. I would say people need to learn the difference between a virtual world and the real world. Each can have their own consequences, but in no way should one overlap the other.

I bring this up cause I recently started playing Eve Online again, and it seems that the whiney gamers have won again. People were givin snowball launchers as a christmas gift 2 years ago, and some complained cause they thought they were "really" being attacked in game, therefore being shot down by concord cause they would retaliate. So much for building character I guess. HELLO ITS A SNOWBALL! It's your fault if your so stupid to not realize.

It just seems to me the gaming industry has some great ideas, but they are constantly halted cause of these gamers who can't deal with the way it is designed, games are constantly "dumbed down" cause I believe the video game company feels responsible of the consequences considering how some gamers have taken in game consequences into the real world. Hopefully the majority of gamers nowadays are waking up and realizing that, it's just a game.

So many seem to want their games to be so vanilla......well not me, I like feeling challenged. Ever wonder why you get so bored with so many online games nowadays? That's why. There may be challenges "in game", but nothing compares to a challenge from a real person or feels the same.

If I wanted that kind of entertainment I would go outside and play with a rock, wait....maybe that would even be more fun. :D

[Trebuken]

I think I generally agree. Too many games (not all, or even most) are trying to appeal to a larger and larger number of people and are becoming watered down.

Oblivion (I loved this game, but...) was not as hardcore as Morrowind. It was intentionally made accessible to more people; I think I would have liked it more if it weren't.

The Wii is the extreme example of this, but Nintendo must do this to maintain competition with the more powerful 360 and PS3.

Many games aren't like this though. God Of War 2, was pretty much no nonsense for example. Your immediately plunged into the battle with the Collosos of Rhodes which was no small thing...

I also find the Tom Clancy games tough to jump into without previous experience...

I think you different franchises and developers take different approaches so it might be wise for us to identify the ones that identify more with us...

[neuropolitique]

"hardcore" gamers are not a majority of the population. They are, however, usually the ones whining.

[Jorpho]

Gaming is just like any other sport

No. Gaming is not a sport. Call it a "competitive activity" if you like, but please don't ever call it a sport.

The rest of your post seems to make no clear differentiation between single-player games and massively multiplayer (or at least generally multiplayer) games. In the former case, I would not say hardcore players are necessarily in the vast majority. In the latter case, the hardcore players are probably also the whiney-ist, because they're the ones who have invested the most time and are the most likely to object when something changes that is not to their liking.

[scooterb23]

The more I hear about what it takes to be a "hardcore" gamer, the more I'm glad I'm not one.

[Kamino]

I'm way too fucked up to figure this out.
Blah.

[Nintendo Gamer]

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[Lil_John]

Yeeeaaaahh!!!!!

[Richter Belmount]

Yeeeaaaahh!!!!!

Lil john < wilford brimley

[BHvrd]

Ok, so the definition of hardcore gamer is on trial, again, as usual.

To me a hardcore gamer is one who wants the game given to him in the form that the developer intended and making the best of what it is, carving a path so to say, learning the tricks, and using them. A whiney gamer to me wants everything handed to them on a silver platter, and wants the game only his/her way or nothing at all. No consequences, just gimme, gimme, gimme.

All you have to do is look at the history and see that when people are catered to in this way the games usual end up in a state of disarray. It's simple really I guess, just don't support games where developers don't have the balls to fully realize their vision anymore.

Just take a look at Star Wars Galaxies, a prime example. Those people busted their asses off to become Jedi just so Sony would update the game where people could be a Jedi from the start, it's this kind of loyalty to the core player that kills me, and if you're going to design a game you should stick to the target you are going after, and not flounder just cause a couple of people get "upset".

I think real life consequences also have a great affect honestly. I'm sure there are parents that call in and say stuff like "SOMEONE ONLINE BLASTED MY SONS SHIP", and they feel cheated cause they haven't put in the time and dedication, and we pay cause these people threaten, bitch, moan and cry, it's a game, but god these people act like it's real life. In actuality if it was real life someone would slap their face off.

I see that this trend is changing some as "new" gamers are learning what is really fun, and well, there's alot of positive I see coming down the pipe, but man what does it take to educate these people that it's a "game"....

Just play and stfu. If you don't like it move along. The true players make the game what it is anyway, and any good developer would know what a game needs without having to listen to millions of emails about stupid shit.

What's next? Players suing other players cause they "griefed" them, lol.

[KingCobra]

Umm... wow! This post is over the TOP!!!

He's right to the point of once anything goes mainstream it's not the same, but watcha gonna do?

[BHvrd]

No. Gaming is not a sport. Call it a "competitive activity" if you like, but please don't ever call it a sport.

The rest of your post seems to make no clear differentiation between single-player games and massively multiplayer (or at least generally multiplayer) games. In the former case, I would not say hardcore players are necessarily in the vast majority. In the latter case, the hardcore players are probably also the whiney-ist, because they're the ones who have invested the most time and are the most likely to object when something changes that is not to their liking.

You make a good point honestly. I would say mostly massively multiplayer as those change more frequently, but single player as well. I think it's when they try to "reach out" to other consumers more than focus on their major demograph either way though.

You can say the Hardcore gamers are the most whiney, but honestly most major changes only happen cause they don't focus on the main user base so in theory you can say it's cause they didn't whine enough. It really comes down to the developer though and as things are showing more and more, people just aren't supporting this bullshit anymore.

I blame lack of focus from the devlopers more than anything, and honestly I think alot of that comes from many factors from complaints, to laziness to just plain greed. Gaming is becoming pure again I think "at least for me", but I think it's time we as gamers become more educated and learn from our mistakes.

Niche gaming is important to me and I realize this more than ever, and I think alot of developers do as well. I don't think gamers should ruin an experience for someone else is what i'm saying I guess, plus the market is bigt enough these days that people can move along and find a new niche instead of staying in one and just constantly bitching about it.

Really you could say this post in mainly about how i've learned this lesson myself about moving along instead of ruining things for other people, and maybe someone else can take this and think about it themselves.

I stand by the point of people taking things into the real world though, that's how crazy it can get, move along, move along, you can't control everything.

[Captain Wrong]

"hardcore" gamers are not a majority of the population. They are, however, usually the ones whining.

winnar

[MegaDrive20XX]

So should we hang'em?

[GrayFox]

We can't let everyone have fun?

Huh.

[Ponyone]

That was way too much whining about whiney gamers.

[Richter Belmount]

We can't let everyone have fun?

Huh.

I LOATHE U.

[boatofcar]

So should we hang'em?

The hardcore gamers? Absolutely.

[XxHennersXx]

some cosider me hardcore, i do. some would say I'm not. Whatever. I don't care. I play games. End of story. As for this post though, it's true.

halo and halo 2. Halo had the pistol (3 hit kill and very acurate), fall damage, you could lure weapons to you from just about anywhere in the map if you knew where to exactally throw grenades, grenades did massive damage and you needed health packs to fill up your health.

Halo 2 had the pistol removed, no fall damage, no weapon moving physics, grenades were initially weaker (but were updated to be similar ot halo 1's with a faster fuse), and there is no health. just your energy sheild.

[Richter Belmount]

some cosider me hardcore, i do. some would say I'm not. Whatever. I don't care. I play games. End of story. As for this post though, it's true.

halo and halo 2. Halo had the pistol (3 hit kill and very acurate), fall damage, you could lure weapons to you from just about anywhere in the map if you knew where to exactally throw grenades, grenades did massive damage and you needed health packs to fill up your health.

Halo 2 had the pistol removed, no fall damage, no weapon moving physics, grenades were initially weaker (but were updated to be similar ot halo 1's with a faster fuse), and there is no health. just your energy sheild.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Au7KE9xUVTk

[Jorpho]

Just take a look at Star Wars Galaxies, a prime example. Those people busted their asses off to become Jedi just so Sony would update the game where people could be a Jedi from the start, it's this kind of loyalty to the core player that kills me, and if you're going to design a game you should stick to the target you are going after, and not flounder just cause a couple of people get "upset".

If memory serves, almost everyone had objections about the original implementation of Jedi, especially since becoming a Jedi turned out to be nothing more than a really long grind. It's not like Sony was pandering to some hardcore demographic.

Really, if you want to blame any solitary factor for the current state of gaming - well, you shouldn't, because very few things in this world can ever be traced back to solitary factors. But if you want to, you can blame tightened development schedules that frequently end up with games being rushed out the door before they can be completely debugged, much less pushed through the time-comsuming polishing, tuning, and refinement that would satisfy a "hardcore" gamer.

[djbeatmongrel]

To be honest if companies only cater to the "hardcore" crowd as you put it (most retarded classifcation ever) they wouldn't have near as much money to put towards various projects and probably would experiment less with new concepts to ensure the money kept coming in.

Developers are in it to make money. That is the bottom line. There are people with the intention of making leaps and bounds by developing something completely new but in the end it comes down to "will this game sell enough to break even/profit in order to continue making games.

I don't like it when topics like this come up becuase it really tends to be elitist in nature. Think of things this way: with the more easily accessible games out there there will be more gamers in general. These new gamers may break away from the "gateway" games to something a bit more "hardcore". Eventually this could shift the market towards these "hardcore" games, forcing developers to work on more games to please the growing demographing. Right now casual players are the biggest market share but give it time.

[Push Upstairs]

I thought hardcore gamers = the whiney gamers.



Yeeeaaaahh!!!!!

And now you show up!

I needed you days ago and you failed me.

"WHAAAAT?"

FAILED ME!

[Lord_Magus]

heh... Personally, my main complaint these days isn't that we're getting too few "hardcore" games, but rather that we're getting too many of them as well. Shovelware is being produced in equal numbers for both the hardcore and the casual audiences, and this automatically means that the "hardcore" gamers are equally responsible for the deteriorating state of games these days as casual gamers are. (please note that I loathe both terms, and don't consider myself to be one or the other)

In the end, it's exactly the same as any other market: what the majority wants is what the majority gets. The fact that it "ruins" it for the few who want more games like Killer7, Okami, Shadow of the Colossus or Rez is a sad, but totally expected and unavoidable fact. So until gamers stop buying into all the countless Maddens, WW2 FPSs, movie adaptations and "casual" games out there (just to name a few), most companies will simply continue to make what they make best: profitable consumer products.

[Sothy]

round the xmas of 03, i wanted a gamecube but didn't get it untill a relitive passed away round the following easterthat when i got the cube.

[Icarus Moonsight]

In regard to hardcore gamers: Ego's are like asses. Everyone has one, just some are bigger than others...

[Gentlegamer]

The original post seems to be premised upon the "hardcore" group not overlapping the "whiney" group. Not sure I agree. In fact, if the post is taken as quintessintially from the "hardcore" perspective, it quite ironic in content, given what it is apparently meant to convey.

[Fuyukaze]

The more I hear about what it takes to be a "hardcore" gamer, the more I'm glad I'm not one.
Let's form a non hardcore gaming club. If this is what it takes to be "hardcore", I want to be softcore.

[Nesmaster]

Let's form a non hardcore gaming club. If this is what it takes to be "hardcore", I want to be softcore.

Softcore gamers ftw.

[Muscelli]

round the xmas of 03, i wanted a gamecube but didn't get it untill a relitive passed away round the following easterthat when i got the cube.

I want 2 hear more plz!

[Push Upstairs]

From the book of "Sizz":

"Personally there is all kinds of people. I would rather be in a room with a kid then a adult so I can score tight rather then hanging with an adult talking about junk everybody has to deal with.

Still you have to see there is many types of people in the world and you to deal with them all the time. Only selfish uncaring scumbags would rather not deal with people and look the other way.
In this world there is many people I rather not give a crap about so I try my hardest to be usefull when I can.
I like seeing diffrent people on message baords rather then the same exct people on boards. Again I admit when I was at some other boards or at times when I did not have any money I would go off bat."

[boatofcar]

In regard to hardcore gamers: Ego's are like asses. Everyone has one, just some are bigger than others...

Boy, that was about as profound as your "America is not a democracy" sig. At least you had enough sense to take that down...

[Zing]

Whiney players have been ruining MMORPGs since the beginning of time.

[PentiumMMX]

Yeah, whiney gamers tend to ruin things, and so do hardcore

An example is Sonic Adventure. Even with it's glitches, it was amazing, but other characters suffered fron drasticly shorter quests then Sonic. Some complained about it having too much Sonic, so we barly got any Sonic at all in Sonic Adventure 2.

Hardcore gamers and the fact that they refuse to buy anything but FPSes, Sports, and GTA is another factor. A lot of great games end up burried in a sea of mediocraty.

[monkeychemist]

Mini Poll:

who is more likely to whine?

A) The non-hardcore gamer that plays on an occasional frequency and sees gaming as a way of entertainment.

B) The hardcore gamer that plays on a high frequency and sees gaming as a way of life.

Extra Credit: which ruins it for the others?

[Icarus Moonsight]

Boy, that was about as profound as your "America is not a democracy" sig. At least you had enough sense to take that down...

You have an issue with me or are you just PMSing today? ;)

[iamchris]

Boy, that was about as profound as your "America is not a democracy" sig. At least you had enough sense to take that down...

America's a republic. Just thought I'd throw that out there. But maybe thats the point you were trying to make in the first place. meh

As far as hardcore gamers go. They seem to be the ones that call me fag, queer, or any other large number of mean names because Im not as good at shooting them. Or because I used a weapon thats included in the game (Like chainsaw in gears of war. Maybe I'm better at chainsawing than you are at shooting. Its not cheating. Its in the game.)

I think we should make a list called "A hardcore gamer is..." I suppose mine would be "A hardcore gamer is someone who gets upset when you play by the rules set by the game, as opposed the rules set by the hardcore game crowd.

[Richter Belmount]

As far as hardcore gamers go. They seem to be the ones that call me fag, queer, or any other large number of mean names because Im not as good at shooting them..

Umm ok , i dont see how those are considered hardcore gamers >_>

[sabre2922]

Hardcore gamers and the fact that they refuse to buy anything but FPSes, Sports, and GTA is another factor. A lot of great games end up burried in a sea of mediocraty.

I dont care to be labeled "hardcore gamer" but for better or worse I AM A GAMER :bareass:

I pick up one sports game per year and maybe a new Madden once every 3 years :-/ and I do like SOME FPS but the only FPS ive enjoyed enough to purchase within the last couple years is BLACK although Gears of War could be my next "in the future" purchase once I get a craving for a new FPS.

Sure I do use terms like "casual gamers" to try and define a certain group of ppl that really dont "respect" videogames or think of it as some type of cheesy entertainment when compared to movies or music.

Call me what you want but I would luv to see a videogame crash again (era 1983-84 ) just to weed out all of these so called "gamers".

#1. the Halo kids/fanboys - a scurge on the videogame hobby that I have luved for soo many years. MOST of these ppl are the most closed minded of any gamers even more so than those that call themselves "hardcore" the FPS/HALO fanatics are the ones that ONLY buy the Sports games the GTAs and of course drool over anything that even remotely resembles a HALO type game so that they can hate on it and claim Halo as the savior of videogames as we know it and nothing came before it and nothing will ever exist after it:hail:


#2. the HIGH DEF ELITISTS - the type of "gamer" that puts down anything pre Xbox360 simply because its not HD including hating on the Nintendo Wii for said reason.


Ill take a self proclaimed "hardcore" gamer to chat/debate/flamewar or actually play a videogame with ANY DAY than either of the two above catagories.

[sabre2922]

As far as hardcore gamers go. They seem to be the ones that call me fag, queer, or any other large number of mean names because Im not as good at shooting them. Or because I used a weapon thats included in the game

In all respect my friend those are what I call HALO KIDS / fanatics and that is about as far away from being a gamer or "hardcore gamer" as it can get.

[Richter Belmount]

Alot of the post in here , give me a smirk XD

[Iron Draggon]

No. Gaming is not a sport. Call it a "competitive activity" if you like, but please don't ever call it a sport.

if a sport can be a game, then a game can be a sport... I just wish that pro gaming and the industry as a whole wasn't totally dominated by FPS... FUCK FPS... give all the other genres an equal share of the big prize money and send all the fraggers back to hell where they came from... fraggers are the same fucktards who play paintball... too much of a pussy to fight a real war in the real world, so they play pretend war all the time instead of putting all those skills to good use in the military... or maybe they just suck too bad to have any real world skills... either way, they fucking suck... blowing $1000's on hardware just to play fake war... and it pisses me off that the industry caters to them all and places them all on a pedestal for it... they all suck, and they all should have to go fight a real war in the real world for big prize money, if they wanna get paid for bullshit! FPS is the bane of all gaming...

[sabre2922]

if a sport can be a game, then a game can be a sport... I just wish that pro gaming and the industry as a whole wasn't totally dominated by FPS... FUCK FPS... give all the other genres an equal share of the big prize money and send all the fraggers back to hell where they came from... fraggers are the same fucktards who play paintball... too much of a pussy to fight a real war in the real world, so they play pretend war all the time instead of putting all those skills to good use in the military... or maybe they just suck too bad to have any real world skills... either way, they fucking suck... blowing $1000's on hardware just to play fake war... and it pisses me off that the industry caters to them all and places them all on a pedestal for it... they all suck, and they all should have to go fight a real war in the real world for big prize money, if they wanna get paid for bullshit! FPS is the bane of all gaming...

agreed


MOST of these ppl are the most closed minded of any gamers even more so than those that call themselves "hardcore" the FPS/HALO fanatics are the ones that ONLY buy the Sports games the GTAs and of course drool over anything that even remotely resembles a HALO type game so that they can hate on it and claim Halo as the savior of videogames as we know it and nothing came before it and nothing will ever exist after it

[Jorpho]

if a sport can be a game, then a game can be a sport...

(Can you, just for once, end a sentence with ONE SINGLE PERIOD? I'd like to see that.)

That is horrible logic. Shall we call poker, billiards, and Monopoly sports as well, and put them in the same category as soccer and football?

I would say FPSs dominate pro gaming simply because there is no other genre which has an equally strong multiplayer aspect. The exception is of course RTS games, which dominate pro gaming much, much more than FPSs in some areas. Watching two people face off over Final Fantasy XII would lack the same thrill, I suspect.

[SegaAges]

I haven't been on the boards in awhile, and this is a good post to return too.

Where have I been for these past couple months, playing SWG. That's right, I said it, and my character is a Jedi.

Some people consider being a "hardcore gamer" a elitist of video games. I see a hardcore gamer as a person with too much time on their hands, but that may be just me.

FPS Games: Hey man, I am mediocre at them. I don't get into a hissy fit with other gamers that barely play games but are better than me at Halo. Good for them. They found a game they enjoy playing and got good at it. What is wrong with that? Paintballing is also fun. It is like a live fps game where you don't have to worry about dying. Try it out sometime, you will have a blast.

GTA Games: I personally own every single one except for Vice City Stories. I love them. They are fun games. If you don't like the game, don't play it, but don't tell me the games are not fun when I really enjoy playing them.

SWG: I heard you say something about Jedi from preCU/preNGE. Now I used to play SWG back in those days, and if my memory serves me correctly (I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure I am golden on this one), to even have a force sensitive character, you had to do way too many missions and grinding, and then you were hand picked by GM or somebody that did something on the server to become a jedi. Not everybody back then that did all of that stuff got to be a Jedi. I would be mad if I was still playing that game and didn't get to be a Jedi just because I wasn't picked (that's why I play video games, because I suck at sports and never got picked to be on the good team when we played kick ball).

SWG was very buggy when it 1st came out. They have been changing it and making it a real game instead of an ongoing beta. They have modularized most, if not all, of the game so that updates can be done much easier and fixing bugs can be done much quicker.

I don't listen to all of those people that complain about how good it used to be. It wasn't all that great. I know, I used to play it. I came back after they implemented NGE/CU and was very pleased.

Sports games: Hey, I suck at sports. I barely know all the rules and penalties for these games. People do really enjoy shelling out $60 every year for the new one, and they actually enjoy games.

What does all of this boil down too?
If a game is too easy for you, then find a challenge, because there are many challenging games out there that you can play instead.

And, the most important one...
As video game enthusiasts (we are members of this board, that should say enough), we should accept every kind of person into video games. If somebody enjoys playing a game, who are we to judge that they are watering down the market, they enjoy these games. Isn't that was playing these games are all about?

Yes, some games are extremely difficult if you haven't played the games before it, so. I haven't played through a Madden game since Madden 97 on the Saturn. I don't know about all the stuff you can do in the game.

Games are not being watered down or made so that you need to play the games before it, the sequels are out there so that people that wanted more of a game after they beat the prequel can enjoy more. It would be like me letting you use my character in SWG and saying that the game isn't meant for you since I have a lvl 59 character. You would have to figure everything out from scratch and also not have the option to play through the beginning stuff to get a handle of the game.

I might as well repeat this again for the nay-sayers: If somebody enjoys a game, truly enjoys a game, who are you to judge that it is a game that should have never been made/upgraded/had a sequel.

Embrace the casual gamers. Show them personally that there are many other games out there, but if they still want to play their Madden and Halo, let them have fun.

As for the virtual world vs. real world, uh, if you have troubles depicting fantasy from reality, then there is something else going on in your head that has nothing to do with video games.

[XxHennersXx]

if a sport can be a game, then a game can be a sport... I just wish that pro gaming and the industry as a whole wasn't totally dominated by FPS... FUCK FPS... give all the other genres an equal share of the big prize money and send all the fraggers back to hell where they came from... fraggers are the same fucktards who play paintball... too much of a pussy to fight a real war in the real world, so they play pretend war all the time instead of putting all those skills to good use in the military... or maybe they just suck too bad to have any real world skills... either way, they fucking suck... blowing $1000's on hardware just to play fake war... and it pisses me off that the industry caters to them all and places them all on a pedestal for it... they all suck, and they all should have to go fight a real war in the real world for big prize money, if they wanna get paid for bullshit! FPS is the bane of all gaming...

What the fuck? How can you bash FPS like that? You're not even bringing up valid points. just because you're good at FPS doesn't mean you're good at shooting a gun. moving a mouse or an analog stick is NOT the same as aiming on a real gun. Trust me. I've done both. Same with paintball. You've obviously never shot a real gun or else you wouldn't even have said any of that. And what about the people in the military that play FPS? Bungie brought a beta build of halo 3 to a troop of soldiers in iraq. I'm all up for opinions but You sir, are a blithering moron, STFU and GTFO.

[monkeychemist]

if a sport can be a game, then a game can be a sport...

This is terrible logic.

It is like saying if all girls are human, then all humans are girls...

I'm sorry to break your fantasy world but as fun as video games are or board games for that matter, they are not sports. Here is the definition from dictionary.com:

"an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc."

so maybe Wii Sports could be considered a sport...but none of the others.

[SegaAges]

This is terrible logic.

It is like saying if all girls are human, then all humans are girls...

I'm sorry to break your fantasy world but as fun as video games are or board games for that matter, they are not sports. Here is the definition from dictionary.com:

"an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc."

so maybe Wii Sports could be considered a sport...but none of the others.

Something being called a sport is a very gray area today. Golf is considered a sport. Yes, it requires alot of skill, but you could do really well and not be athletic (golf carts anybody?).

How athletic do you have to be to drive a car (NASCAR anybody)? That is also considered a sport.

I just wanted to throw out that discussing whether or not something is a sport is not easy, because even with definitions, many things are considered sports when there is not much athletisicm in it. (bad grammar, sorry)

All I am saying is that it is a very gray area, very gray.

[boatofcar]

Something being called a sport is a very gray area today. Golf is considered a sport.

Not true. Golf is a game, according to its own rulebook.

[8-bitNesMan]

I pick up one sports game per year and maybe a new Madden once every 3 years :-/ and I do like SOME FPS but the only FPS ive enjoyed enough to purchase within the last couple years is BLACK although Gears of War could be my next "in the future" purchase once I get a craving for a new FPS.

It won't satisfy your craving because it's not an FPS. GOW is 3rd person...

[bust3dstr8]

The Koreans laugh at you so called "hardcore" gamers.

LOL LOL LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-31em287K0

[Fuyukaze]

I see lots of "hardcore" gamer posts in this thread now.

Seriously, we need a softcore gamers group. Recliner sports to the rescue!

Funny but last time I went, they were still calling them baseball "games", football "games", basketball "games", and hockey "games". Perhaps they've changed out the "games" part to "sports" sense then. That or because they are paid profesionals, the "game" they play is now considered a "sport". It's amazing what one will consider profesional when enough money exchanges hands. Guess that's the real differnece between sports and games.

[shadow77110]

I play Counter-Strike ALOT and I would consider myself to be above average, but nowhere near some people. But when I am playing someone (1-on-1) that isn't getting many kills against me or doesn't seem very good, I'll help them get better, such as giving them Aiming Practice (I only have knife, they can have anything). Because as I see it, CS, UT and all the other FPS multiplayer games will get less and less players if people keep up the "You're a s*** c***" that I got when I first started playing online.

[Kid Ice]

I see lots of "hardcore" gamer posts in this thread now.

Seriously, we need a softcore gamers group. Recliner sports to the rescue!



Yeah, there's nothing really "hardcore" about gaming. You are pretty much just sitting on your butt.

[Push Upstairs]

Hardcore ass sitting.

The latest sport!

[XxHennersXx]

Hardcore ass sitting.

The latest sport!

it's a mental and reflex sport. Mental like chess but unlike chess you must have reflexes to properly execute technique. Which takes practice and dedication. Is it on the same level as football? Hell no. Is it on the same level as chess? Most defiantly. I consider gaming as a hobby, same as I consider athletic sports. I consider competitive gaming as a sport, but in the same way I consider chess and poker sports. I don't usually argue with people about it. A lot of people will claim poker as a sport now when played on a high competitive level, so I don't see why you wouldn't consider gaming the same way when played on a high level.

[Push Upstairs]

As long as people aren't trying to be like those Soul Caliber 2 guys on some VG thing I saw on awhile back.

"I think (Soul Caliber 2) is a sport, me and my team practice playing it at least 8 hours a day or something."

Here is where I would say that video games aren't a sport but then I remembered that "Curling" is actually considered a sport.

[kaedesdisciple]

I play Counter-Strike ALOT and I would consider myself to be above average, but nowhere near some people. But when I am playing someone (1-on-1) that isn't getting many kills against me or doesn't seem very good, I'll help them get better, such as giving them Aiming Practice (I only have knife, they can have anything). Because as I see it, CS, UT and all the other FPS multiplayer games will get less and less players if people keep up the "You're a s*** c***" that I got when I first started playing online.

That's kinda like what I get when I try to play Lost Planet on Live. There is absolutely no dynamic matching system, so I'm constantly thrown in with >50 lvl players, and I'm about a 7 or 8. I don't remember talking to people like THAT when I was 13.

[shadow77110]

That's kinda like what I get when I try to play Lost Planet on Live. There is absolutely no dynamic matching system, so I'm constantly thrown in with >50 lvl players, and I'm about a 7 or 8. I don't remember talking to people like THAT when I was 13.
How do you mean "I don't remember talking to people like THAT when I was 13."? Is it about the s*** c*** bit? Because most people that said it to me were probably 18 - 20. Sorry if I don't understand your post the way you meant.

[SegaAges]

The Koreans laugh at you so called "hardcore" gamers.

LOL LOL LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-31em287K0

Hmm, Starcraft and awesome video game space suits. YEAH!

I play way too much SWG for my own good, now I want a space suit to make it official.

I have seen those starcraft vids before, I am not mocking those guys, they would destroy me any day of the week in sc.

[Eteric Rice]

If you want a super badass strategy game, then get "Go.' It's like Chess x 10.

Anyway, as a hardcore game (semi-hardcore now), I'm happy with the current crop of games. A nice mix of simple and complex is a good thing.