new forum for collectors of factory sealed games [Archive]

Sammelhammel

07-31-2007, 02:37 PM

Hello everybody

First of all, this thread has the permission of digitalpress :)

Due to the raising number of collectors of factory sealed games, some friends and I thought that it would be time to open up a forum for this guys. The main language is german, but we have also an english section. I think most of the users in this forum can understand and talk english :)

http://forum.sealedgameheaven.com

The registration is also very easy and in english...I think you don't have any problems with it. Otherwise send me a PM.

Hope to see some of you guys there. You can also post your sealed collection in the designated section (Sony, Sega, Nintendo, Microsoft, others e.g. Atari, PCE...)

The forum is also for guys who are interested in this type of collecting games :)

See you here or there

Hardy

Muscelli

07-31-2007, 02:57 PM

Great website, only gripe I have is with the Marketplace being 2 languages. Would it be possible to order the forums like they do at neo-geo.com? I find that to geat setup. Other then that, good site!

Hello everybody

First of all, this thread has the permission of digitalpress :)

Due to the raising number of collectors of factory sealed games, some friends and I thought that it would be time to open up a forum for this guys. The main language is german, but we have also an english section. I think most of the users in this forum can understand and talk english :)

www.sealedgameheaven.de.vu

The registration is also very easy and in english...I think you don't have any problems with it. Otherwise send me a PM.

Hope to see some of you guys there. You can also post your sealed collection in the designated section (Sony, Sega, Nintendo, Microsoft, others e.g. Atari, PCE...)

The forum is also for guys who are interested in this type of collecting games :)

See you here or there

Hardy

Sammelhammel

07-31-2007, 03:08 PM

the forum is online since sunday (2 days) and we have to manage everything.
We will find the best solution for everybody :)
I will open up a thread in the english sector where we can discuss such problems.

posting the sealed collection isn't a big problem....but you are right concerning the marketplace.

We'll find a solution :)

GameCollector

08-01-2007, 08:24 AM

A real awesome board! keep up the good work !

Pascal

08-02-2007, 01:27 PM

small board update ! :popcorn:

GameCollector

08-04-2007, 04:10 AM

i joined your board yesterday! Really nice community!

Pascal

08-05-2007, 01:16 PM

Because of some trouble with our Domain www.sealedgameheaven.de.vu we ordered a new top level domain www.sealedgameheaven.com to ensure a maximum of availability.
Enjoy it and update your favorites :) !

GameCollector

08-08-2007, 02:22 AM

wow nice growing ! 41 members now!

Pascal

08-10-2007, 04:07 AM

thats right!

GameCollector

08-11-2007, 03:46 AM

i have a friend who is a sealed collector too! I ask him if he want to join www.sealedgameheaven.com too.

Pascal

08-12-2007, 03:39 AM

okay fine!

Sothy

08-12-2007, 04:46 AM

so is it for rich people or people that dont like playing games but like to stare at cellophane?

Sammelhammel

08-12-2007, 06:31 AM

so is it for rich people or people that dont like playing games but like to stare at cellophane?

you don't have to be rich...but maybe you will get it after you join :D

it's for collectors.....the same collectors who will collect stamps for their album and not for letters ;)

But if Gamer wants to join our board: Welcome

if you play games and sell them after you finished them....you are a Gamer
if you play games and collect them....you are a Gamer and Collector
if you collect sealed games.....you are a Collector only

Hope that answer your question.
I'm not rich and I like to stare rather at good looking women than to my sealed collection on the shelfes.

GameCollector

08-15-2007, 07:26 AM

@hammel

100% agree for that!

GrandAmChandler

08-15-2007, 07:34 AM

so is it for rich people or people that dont like playing games but like to stare at cellophane?

Wise man from vbendah once qwoted: "Videogames were meant to be collected, not played."

Lady Jaye

08-15-2007, 08:24 AM

and who was that wise man? Leslie? LOL

Sammelhammel

08-15-2007, 09:43 AM

I love this wise man :)
He must be very smart.

Another point of view: Someday the time will come when videogames-museums will open to show the people how it was 50 years ago.
And if the museum has a lot of sealed rare games of well known series (e.g. Metal Gear, Silent Hill, Final Fantasy....) it would be a kind of an attraction.

Think about it....in 50 years....you are old, maybe 75 years old.....Final Fantasy XXIV is on the market....going into a museum and look at a sealed copy of FF VII...you remember the old times with a smile on your face, a hidden tear in your left eye and you told your grandson: "Look....these were my times when I was in your age. I bought such a copy at Walmart. Oh yes, I remember the hang-tab and the pulling-strip on the top. It looks so new and shiny..."

And you go with a smile and you thank god that somebody out there did not open the game to keep it "virgin" for the rest of your life....

FIN ;)

Nimrodil

08-15-2007, 10:03 AM

I had a almost complete "set" of sealed jap-shooters to DC, but I needed money and sold them (just kept the Treasure CD-games, and trying to collect a sealed "extra" copy of all of them). So I totally understand the "appeal" in collecting them. But don�t you think the museum (and your grandson:-) want to check out the manuals, art work etc? Sealed games are not, imo, even so fun to looking at. But completed with a opened copy with all the papers I agree it can be nice with some sealed rarities in the museum:-)

BTW, I don�t think the institutions that want to preserve games want them sealed either. Don�t know exactly way (maybe someone else do?), but I think it can be something harmful with the shrink wrap. As here:

http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6174194.html

I just love when he randomly pick up the ultra rare (or at least extremly expencive I think) Ultima game from the box and don�t really seems to know what it is;-).

Sammelhammel

08-15-2007, 10:23 AM

you are right. People also wanna see the manual and maybe the game disc and the map and stuff like that...for sure.

But you can also put a sealed one next to an open one :)
And to see a brand new game which is...50 years old (or older) is or can be also very attractive. Just the imagination that there is something which creates videogame-history and it's still new...I would say that's nice :)

Edit: Yes, nice link :D
The Ultima scene is funny....most of them are PC-games which he has, right?

Family Computer

08-15-2007, 10:50 AM

Sorry but sealed games have absolutely no more "real" value than a 100% complete, mint copy.

I don't mind anyone collecting what they want,but as for a museum, I would rather have an open mint copy because of the fact that the box is not behind a layer of plastic.

More power to you though, there are some crazy OCD peops in this world!

Sammelhammel

08-15-2007, 11:01 AM

OCD? What does it mean?? My english is not the best :D

Yep, the "real" value is maybe 1-2 cents more than a complete and mint copy. Cellophane is not so expensive.

The "museum-case" is just one of a lot of reasons why people collect factory sealed. It is also difficult to get a mint 100% complete copy in 50 years ;) Maybe much more difficult.

Family Computer

08-15-2007, 11:06 AM

I can see if you have loads of money, buying a sealed copy to open and play. But since the premium is usually so much higher, it is much more financially reasonable to buy a virtually mint 100% complete opened copy.

Anyway, I understand it's an obsession but it is one that really doesn't make much sense to ME. Like I said, do what you gotta do!

OCD = Obsessive Compulsive Disorder"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive-compulsive_disorder

Promophile

08-15-2007, 11:42 AM

Sorry but sealed games have absolutely no more "real" value than a 100% complete, mint copy.

Ebay. Check the prices of sealed FF7, Suikoden 2, and other PSX RPGs. Hell even popular early PS2 games with the white security sticker. Yes, people are willing to pay 2x, 3x, 4x, or even more over retail to get an unopened copy. Thats "real" value.

People who open sealed old-gen games are neurotic. I have one or two sealed games that would lose 50-70 dollars in value if they were opened. Instead of destroying that value for no reason, I own disc only copies of both games I bought for under 10 dollars if I'm in the mood to play them. What am I missing out on? Reading the manuals? Who does that?

Family Computer

08-15-2007, 11:44 AM

Promophile

08-15-2007, 12:10 PM

I know that they are worth more money to people, but I am saying there is no real added value (NOT MONETARY).

No, but you should sell them to someone for a shitload, and buy the perfectly mint copy pocketing the 30-100% profit.

Only for the sane though.

What is real added value? Things are only worth what people are willing to pay for them. A rare coin that's rated gem mint can be worth 100 times more than a mint coin. Where's the real added value? You couldn't tell the difference between the coins without a microscope. Is paying 100 million dollars for a bunch of squiggles because they were painted by Picasso sane? Is paying anything over a dollar for Stadium Events sane? It's just World Class Track Meet with a different title screen.

It's all about basic microeconomic theory. When you have more people demanding something than supplying it the price will rise. Condition can be another qualifer of rarity, hence why a gem mint coin can be worth so much more.

I don't collect games to make money. I've never bought a game thinking I'd sell it when it appreicates. I invest in stocks to make money, I buy games for my personal enjoyment.

Frankly, I don't want to hear about sanity on a board where most of the people aspire to own every video game ever made.

Family Computer

08-15-2007, 12:39 PM

you've proven my point, thankyou!

Pascal

08-19-2007, 05:40 AM

why he prove your point?

-_-Nintendo-_-

08-19-2007, 06:46 AM

Gemini-Phoenix

08-20-2007, 12:58 AM

I'd like to offer my thanks to SammelHammel for tracking me down and showing me this new site. At last, a place I can be taken seriously and that I can be at home with!

Ed Oscuro

08-20-2007, 05:30 PM

I think it's a pretty good idea, even if it is a little bit limited, niche as you will. But If had a choice of a sealed copy of Chorno Trigger for $499 or a complete mint copy for $100, I think it's a pretty easy choice :)
Would a complete/mint copy actually go for $100? That seems pretty high...even if SNES game boxes are hard as heck to find in decent condition.

Sammelhammel

08-20-2007, 05:34 PM

100 Dollar would be a very good price for a mint and complete CT

In Germany you get 100 Euro....

Pascal

08-25-2007, 11:43 AM

I think a mint and perfect copy will go up to 150$ !

TurboGenesis

08-25-2007, 01:56 PM

I just bought a complete and mint copy of Chrono Trigger WITH strategy guide for $60 dollars at the flea market back in spring. I only buy it for the guide but he is not split them up. I then sell the cartridge for $42 as I already had the game.

In other things,
I buy Exile Wicked Phenomenon seal for $88 and then when I receive the game, I open it up! I play it one time but I plan to play it through after I finish my game of Exile.

I cannot understand seal games? I cannot understand collecting EVERY Genesis game-too many maddon games. I cannot understand collecting stamps. But it is your money and time so as you do.

Digital Press is bad influence - I was try to get EVERY Turbo Grafx game (only 1 maddon game) I am close - got every CD game and most every Hucard but I take a break.

Gemini-Phoenix

08-28-2007, 08:23 AM

If people could spread the word, then that would be great, regardless of whether or not you agree with it. I'm sure everyone knows someone who is interested in this obscure hobby, and I know there is a large community here on DP that would perhaps be interested.

Plus, it would help cut down on the amount of sealed game discussions which are posted on this and other boards, as the discussions would be isolated to just people who wish to discuss these things

Ed Oscuro

08-28-2007, 09:52 AM

If people could spread the word, then that would be great, regardless of whether or not you agree with it.
I'd have to agree if it means that there's more awareness of shady reseal seller tactics. I don't believe in security through obscurity, and the idea that counterfeiting and reseals will go away if we stop talking about them is dumb.

That said, I don't go for sealed games anyway, so the whole issue seems kinda moot to me. Maybe when somebody opens a forum for discussion of hard-to-find inserts and the like...

Gemini-Phoenix

08-30-2007, 11:37 AM

I'd have to agree if it means that there's more awareness of shady reseal seller tactics. I don't believe in security through obscurity, and the idea that counterfeiting and reseals will go away if we stop talking about them is dumb.

That said, I don't go for sealed games anyway, so the whole issue seems kinda moot to me. Maybe when somebody opens a forum for discussion of hard-to-find inserts and the like...

That's a positive attitude! I like that.

It's not everybody's cup of tea though. Each to their own opinions I guess. Some people will blatently go out of their way to critisise though, which is where most of the arguments and flaming comes from when you mention such collecting habits on a general gaming forum such as this. I know from experience, as i've taken part in many a discussion revolving around sealed games collecting on here. There will always be a small minority of people who will be against it, as if it were some kind of taboo subjecct or something.

For those that it does concern though, it's a nice place to feel at home without the worries that there will be some people there to diss you or to flame you for your chosen collecting habits. Plus it's nice to be in an environment where everybody shares the same passion.

We are not alone...

Vroomfunkel

08-30-2007, 04:53 PM

Did you ever get your full sealed PAL DC collection then?

Perkar

08-30-2007, 10:31 PM

Wise man from vbendah once qwoted: "Videogames were meant to be collected, not played."

i think the GACman is tooting his own horn!

[22:29] <Perkar> !quote not played
[22:29] <katamari> Quote: <GrandAmCh> Video games were made to be collected not played.

Gemini-Phoenix

09-01-2007, 07:12 PM

Did you ever get your full sealed PAL DC collection then?

Not as yet. I'm still after quite a few titles. Problem is, lately there seems to have sprung up a whole new generation of Dreamcast collector's whom i've inspired, and there also seems to be less supply than thre once was. Luckily, the rarer and more expensive titles are already under my belt, so at least I have that to be thankful for.

Believe it or not, it's actually the more common titles I am still chasing. But over the last few years I have become more "Selective" over condition and regional variations. Ie, only buying -50's or -05's opposed to any old PAL copy which springs up, which I may have been more naive about when first starting my quest

At the moment I have taken a short break from the Dreamcast collecting to focus on catching up with newer consoles such as the X360 and DS games.

Gemini-Phoenix

09-07-2007, 12:42 PM

A lot of new user's sealed collections have since been added, and a host of new guides are on their way soon. Anyone who is the slightest bit curious, feel free to take a look

GameCollector

09-16-2007, 03:59 AM

when will the new guides come?

kentuckyfried

09-16-2007, 11:34 PM

They say that any press is good press, but ouch ;)

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/16/sealed-game-collectors-hoarding-all-the-cool-toys/

GarrettCRW

09-16-2007, 11:45 PM

We've said worse in the bender.

Pascal

10-05-2007, 01:31 PM

We've said worse in the bender.

what?

Vectorman0

10-05-2007, 04:07 PM

what?

The one and only DP chat room on IRC, #vbender on EFnet.

http://www.digitpress.com/irc/

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100554

Sothy

10-05-2007, 04:40 PM

Will there be a forum for discussing sealed food collectors?

As you may have read I am thinking of starting a grading company for people that enjoy collecting sandwiches, burgers, candy bars etc. but not eating them.

So I think it would be a good fit with people that collect games that are sealed and dont play them.

Maybe partner up at a Gaming / food expo where people stand around and look at unopened food and games in a silent room without opening them and then all go home.

s1lence

10-05-2007, 04:45 PM

gum_drops

10-05-2007, 05:28 PM

Will there be a forum for discussing sealed food collectors?

Thats just silly, food is meant to be eaten not collected.

Which is why I always open my vintage food boxes and try them out.

I just bought THIS box of wheaties (http://cgi.ebay.com/Very-early-Wheaties-sample-cereal-box-full_W0QQitemZ220152069665QQihZ012QQcategoryZ1322Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) recently on ebay for 361.00 which is more than I would usually pay but this particular box was from an excellent year.

I cant wait to toss some in a bowl and splash in the milk. Hopefully I dont get sick this time, those bacterial toxins really do a number on my digestive system.

Sammelhammel

10-05-2007, 06:09 PM

Thats just silly, food is meant to be eaten not collected.

Which is why I always open my vintage food boxes and try them out.

I just bought THIS box of wheaties (http://cgi.ebay.com/Very-early-Wheaties-sample-cereal-box-full_W0QQitemZ220152069665QQihZ012QQcategoryZ1322Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) recently on ebay for 361.00 which is more than I would usually pay but this particular box was from an excellent year.

I cant wait to toss some in a bowl and splash in the milk. Hopefully I dont get sick this time, those bacterial toxins really do a number on my digestive system.

I wish I would collect full vintage food boxes.....thanks for the great idea Sothy. You can make good money when I look at this ebay-link.
I wonder if I just sell my sealed games collection and build up a sealed food collection....

Pascal

10-13-2007, 11:19 AM

We have a brand new message board design! Check it on : http://www.sealedgameheaven.com !

GarrettCRW

10-13-2007, 08:05 PM

There's no section for sealed food! How could you discriminate against those of us who collect sealed food?

Pascal

10-14-2007, 11:57 AM

hmm wasn't funny at all ...

GameCollector

10-20-2007, 06:26 AM

wow the new design looks great!

Pascal

11-12-2007, 09:26 AM

thank you!

Shrooin

11-13-2007, 04:15 AM

A real sealed game heaven would be the video game section of a large department store in 1992 - when shelves were full of new and sealed SNES, NES, SMD, SMS, etc. I can't remember any cartridge based systems getting sealed games here in Australia though. New is good enough for me there is nothing special about a piece of plastic. Do they discuss new factory-non-sealed games in the forum or is it strictly sealed games only?

GarrettCRW

11-13-2007, 04:17 AM

A real sealed game heaven would be the video game section of a large department store in 1992 - when shelves were full of new and sealed SNES, NES, SMD, SMS, etc.

Plus, think of the sealed boxes of Wheaties!

Pascal

11-13-2007, 12:51 PM

Do they discuss new factory-non-sealed games in the forum or is it strictly sealed games only?

There is also a Off Topic area . So you can also discuss about non-sealed games!

Sothy

11-13-2007, 01:43 PM

Oh my thats too good...

staxx

11-13-2007, 04:09 PM

Man is all this flaming and silly stuff necessary. If you don't collect sealed games then so be it, no need to attempt to prove your point that it is stupid to collect sealed games etc. If the point of collecting sealed games is stupid, then the next time you go to Gamestop or EBGames and buy a gutted (last copy) of a new game and it isn't sealed, then you shouldn't complain. Hey, you are going to go home and open it right and play the game (that's gamestop and EB's arguement for selling it used). Now that is assuming that the gutted game isn't scratched etc. Just my 2 cents.

GarrettCRW

11-13-2007, 08:48 PM

Man is all this flaming and silly stuff necessary.
YES!

If you don't collect sealed games then so be it, no need to attempt to prove your point that it is stupid to collect sealed games etc.

Yes, you guys do it so well all by yourselves.

If the point of collecting sealed games is stupid, then the next time you go to Gamestop or EBGames and buy a gutted (last copy) of a new game and it isn't sealed, then you shouldn't complain. Hey, you are going to go home and open it right and play the game (that's gamestop and EB's arguement for selling it used). Now that is assuming that the gutted game isn't scratched etc. Just my 2 cents.

Say wha.....? We're playing the damn game. A scratch can kind of prevent the whole playing of and enjoying the pleasures of said game. Y'all are worshipping a sealed game without opening it, bit rot/disc rot/whatever be damned. THIS IS NOT RIGHT. Video games are meant to be played, not worshipped like a deity!

Final thought: collectors of any sealed item make the Furries look normal. The FURRIES. Think about that.

This rant is an act of rage. It is not meant as a screed against any one person, since it involves a whole lot of crazy mofo's. Any liability towards Digital Press, its mods (who are all Nazis, you know), its administrators, and complete oddballs like kamino, mgriff, and muscelli is strictly denied.

Oh, and Josh Beckett wuz robbed.

Shrooin

11-13-2007, 09:13 PM

Man is all this flaming and silly stuff necessary. If you don't collect sealed games then so be it, no need to attempt to prove your point that it is stupid to collect sealed games etc.

If you were talking about me all I said was there is nothing special about a piece of plastic thats not flaming just my opinion. But I do like factory sealed games though because they guarantee the game is 100% brand new and untouched. I even have some sealed games :

http://videogamecollectors.com/albums/super-nintendo-collection/FS6_Fzero.jpg

I've been sold used games that were resealed and called brand new before and that sucked. That and because sealed games are harder to find and more expensive is why I prefer just to get like new condition games. Also I'll usually want to play the game and not significantly decrease it's value.

staxx

11-15-2007, 03:54 PM

To Shrooin: The flaming part is not directed at you but rather the attack of collecting sealed games as a whole.

To GarrettCRW: Hey I don't collect sealed games, but I don't see why we should trash it either. Sure video games are meant to be played else I wouldn't be in the video game hobby. But I don't see why people can't keep a part of history or to be history in their own right sealed. A current game will eventually be a retro/vintage game. So why not have a sealed copy and keep collecting it. Yup bit/rot ahhh the CD/DVD/Blu Ray problems, if the games are going to be sealed then bit rot is a mute point. You got to remember cartridge games also and how people pay high prices for sealed games of those. Maybe people collect sealed games to sell them later for a higher price or maybe to have complete sealed game library for accomplishment etc. To each their own. Hey if people like Furries so be it, they like to dress up like animals and have fun so be it. I ain't gonna judge them so I ain't gonna judge people who collect sealed games.

Pascal

11-17-2007, 04:46 AM

http://videogamecollectors.com/albums/super-nintendo-collection/FS6_Fzero.jpg

wow! How many sealed games are in one of those boxes?

bust3dstr8

11-17-2007, 08:01 AM

Try reading....
See where it says 6pcs.....
That means six games as in 6.

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/76509/2/istockphoto_76509_number_6.jpg

suckerpunch5

11-17-2007, 01:19 PM

Try reading....
See where it says 6pcs.....
That means six games as in 6.

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/76509/2/istockphoto_76509_number_6.jpg

wow, the forum has gotten really hostile lately. there are a lot of people on this board from other countries whos first language isn't English, so it might not be obvious to them that "pcs" means the number of games included in a box.

backguard

11-17-2007, 03:35 PM

just wanted to chime in here...

I think gaming and collecting are two different hobbies. I usually keep 2-5 games on hand that I am interested in playing. I usually sell them when I am done with them and then pick up a few more to play. But I am always on the hunt for new games to add to my collection – even if they are going to just sit on the shelves because they suck or I don’t have time to play them!!!

Also, i am sort of a sealed collector. if i can get my games sealed then i prefer to do that. i would say about 1/3 of my collection is sealed.

my view on the argument that it is stupid to have sealed games because all they are good for is looking at is this: if you have a large collection (which I assume is the goal of most collectors) then you are going to wind up staring at the majority of your games anyways. Tons of your games will suck or you just won’t have time to play them.

But ultimately I don’t think it is necessary to criticize the way anyone collects games.
We all have our different approaches! Whatever way you want to enjoy the hobby is the way you should do it – whether collecting just R10s, RPGs, sealed games, games from one series (i.e. mega man) or every game in existence.

Sothy

11-17-2007, 04:04 PM

I dunno I dont play games.

I just like to stare at them through a thin transparent sheet of plastic.
Its erotic in a way. In so far as I view ebay auctions while pleasuring myself.

Dark_Sol

11-17-2007, 04:24 PM

I dunno I dont play games.

I just like to stare at them through a thin transparent sheet of plastic.
Its erotic in a way. In so far as I view ebay auctions while pleasuring myself.
lmao..

bust3dstr8

11-17-2007, 04:52 PM

True, not everyone is well versed in English.
How about some basic life skills.....like counting.http://re3.mm-a6.yimg.com/image/3405394492

------------1ahah2ahah3ahah4ahah5ahah6
http://videogamecollectors.com/albums/super-nintendo-collection/FS6_Fzero.jpg

-_-Nintendo-_-

11-17-2007, 07:39 PM

True, not everyone is well versed in English.
How about some basic life skills.....like counting

Hey, I didn't even notice that the box said 6pcs untill today, so cut the guy a break.

Poofta!

11-18-2007, 11:22 PM

I dunno I dont play games.

I just like to stare at them through a thin transparent sheet of plastic.
Its erotic in a way. In so far as I view ebay auctions while pleasuring myself.

me and sothy also have a food grading business.

ProgrammingAce

11-18-2007, 11:34 PM

staxx

11-19-2007, 01:26 AM

those people who collect video games must be insane. Why on earth would you want to keep a game after you've played it? Buy it, play it, trade it in. Anything else is just a waste of money. There's no reason to own more then 3 games at a time.

= )

That sounds like a Gamestop Pitch, except it doesn't have the "Do you want to preorder Madden 20XX Limited Collector's Edition or Hey buy this strategy guide now for Madden 20XX and you can get it for 20% off). :)