Federal Agents Raid Homes for Modchips [Slashdot]

[DP ServBot]

Lunatrik writes "Invoking the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998, Federal Custom's Agents have raided over 30 homes and businesses looking to confiscate so-called 'mod chips', or other devices that allow the playback of pirated video games. This raises an important question: Are legitimate backup copies of a piece of software you own illegal under the DMCA?"Read more of this story (http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/02/038241&from=rss) at Slashdot.
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[Buyatari]

Lunatrik writes "Invoking the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998, Federal Custom's Agents have raided over 30 homes and businesses looking to confiscate so-called 'mod chips', or other devices that allow the playback of pirated video games. This raises an important question: Are legitimate backup copies of a piece of software you own illegal under the DMCA?"Read more of this story (http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/02/038241&from=rss) at Slashdot.
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The DMCA as far as I understand it makes illegal the circumvention of encryption. Your CDr is a different issue than the bust here but it may be covered in DMCA in a different section. I haven't read the whole act. Legaleze puts me to sleep.

[monkeychemist]

it's too bad they focus on issues that barely hurt a big company.

instead there could be much more important things to go after than mod chips...such as why we are still sending Americans to die in another country's civil war. That hurts people physically, emotionally and financially.

ahhh the feds

[heybtbm]

http://www.survivalarts.com/images/the_taking_of_elian_gonzalez.jpg

"Give us the modchips now!"

[monkeychemist]

HAHAHHAHAHA that picture is awesome!

[Wolfrider31]

HAHAHHAHAHA that picute is awesome!

Assuming you don't know where it's from.

[monkeychemist]

Assuming you don't know where it's from.

why, is it real?

[ApolloBoy]

why, is it real?

Yes, it's from when Elian Gonzales was taken back to Cuba.

[monkeychemist]

ah then ok, i'm sorry for laughing at the pic, I did not realize it was real. I thought it was a shopped pic...but it goes to prove the point that feds are a little wacko

[Kid Ice]

ah then ok, i'm sorry for laughing at the pic, I did not realize it was real. I thought it was a shopped pic...but it goes to prove the point that feds are a little wacko

It probably is Photoshopped.

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/p/W/clinton_elian.jpg

Thread about modchips is going pretty well so far, eh?

[djbeatmongrel]

well played Kid Ice

[udisi]

it's too bad they focus on issues that barely hurt a big company.

instead there could be much more important things to go after than mod chips...such as why we are still sending Americans to die in another country's civil war. That hurts people physically, emotionally and financially.

ahhh the feds


Piracy hurts big companies more than you know....Look at the music industry.

[monkeychemist]

Piracy hurts big companies more than you know....Look at the music industry.

so instead of like $300 million / year, they will make $299 million...i don't feel bad for their loss

[RPG_Fanatic]

http://www.survivalarts.com/images/the_taking_of_elian_gonzalez.jpg



Hey i remember that on the news back in the day. How long ago was that?

[Porksta]

so instead of like $300 million / year, they will make $299 million...i don't feel bad for their loss

So it's okay to steal medicine from a hospital because they won't take a serious hit?

[Fuyukaze]

So it's okay to steal medicine from a hospital because they won't take a serious hit?


Dont you know? It's ok to steal if your stealing from someone richer or poorer then you. Just as long as your not the person being stole from. Then it's just wrong. Get with the times man, seriously you sound so old fashioned.

[Push Upstairs]

Look at the music industry.

I'd rather not.

At least the VG industry allows for prices of games to go down as opposed to the music industry.

I'd also prefer not to be treated like a criminal just for purchasing a CD at the store and wanting to listen to it on my computer. There was that PC "Starforce" debacle but most companies have since ditched that. I guess consumers just don't like to have their CD drive rendered inoperable from copy protection.

[noname11]

Funny. It used to be when you bought something you could do whatever the hell you want with it or to it...


DMCA is a joke. Very one sided protection for content producers heavy penalization for content consumers ( no archival backup copies, no reverse engineering, potentially no route to the public domain for copyrighted works).


Id like to see federal agents bust the average joe for downgrading his psp, instead of you know, protecting society from real harms... like unsafe bridges or devastating hurricanes.

[7th lutz]

What do you expect?

This is the same country that banned gambling on Poker online, but allowed online gambling for sports and online casino machines.

[MegaDrive20XX]

http://www.survivalarts.com/images/the_taking_of_elian_gonzalez.jpg

"Give us the modchips now!"

Wow! Sothy really IS in yer base, killin' yer doodz! :) What an honor!

[200609]

I actually just read about this on the BBC. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6928177.stm

Quote from that article: "Illicit devices like the ones targeted today are created with one purpose in mind, subverting copyright protections," said Julie L. Myers, assistant secretary of Homeland Security for ICE in a statement.

Uhh, isn't a big reason for modchips playing imported games? Don't tell me that's just a front for the pirates?! I personally don't want to buy ANOTHER fucking game system just to play Densha de Go. It's all just corporate greed.

[Push Upstairs]

This is the same country that banned gambling on Poker online, but allowed online gambling for sports and online casino machines.

I recall a time when alcohol was banned, that worked out well. X_x

[GarrettCRW]

It probably is Photoshopped.

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/p/W/clinton_elian.jpg

Thread about modchips is going pretty well so far, eh?

Are you sure yours isn't photoshopped, either? I could have sworn it was Janet Reno who pulled the gun on Elian.

[Spartacus]

I one hand I sympathize with anyone who just wants to be able to purchase and play imports. I do myself. On the other hand I work with someone who downloads movies on the internet. He claims it's legal because the site is in France! His entire library of Xbox games was downloaded from the internet as well. He claims the site he get's them from is so "professional" they even provide a scan of the case artwork so he can print a cover for each game he gets. When I asked him about the game manual, he said he goes to EB/Gamestop and tells them he's missing a manual for such and such game and they let him take one from the used game cases on the floor. He said they don't care if those are sold with a manual or not, cause it's the same price. I kinda believe that too.
I think he genuinely believes that smart people don't have to pay for that kind of stuff. Only the people who haven't yet figured out how to do it pay for it and that's because they're stupid! LOL

I never knew Nintendo had a problem with copied software though....

"Officials from Nintendo of America have already issued a statement praising the investigation and confirming that the company has worked closely with ICE over the last year.
Nintendo and its developers and publishers lost an estimated $762 million in sales in 2006 due to piracy of its products," said Jodi Daugherty, Nintendo of America's senior director of anti-piracy. "Nintendo's anti-piracy team works closely with law enforcement officials worldwide to seize mod chips and counterfeit software. Since April, Nintendo has seized more than 91,000 counterfeit Wii discs globally."

You can read about it here....
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=14878

[Promophile]

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[Promophile]

Uhh, isn't a big reason for modchips playing imported games? Don't tell me that's just a front for the pirates?!


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[monkeychemist]

I guess what I was originally trying to get at was not necessarily that piracy is ok, but that there are MUCH more important crimes going on and MANY more victims that need help than a person slightly lowering a greedy executive's salary.

As someone mentioned, there are hurricanes destroying the land and bridges falling.

There are thousands of American soldiers dying in Iraq for another crusade to help executives get richer.

There are real crimes such a serial killings, rapes and high Florida homeowner’s insurance premiums…

So let’s focus on what is important…I think that compared to those other crimes, selling modchips rank pretty low in priority.

[Buyatari]

I guess what I was originally trying to get at was not necessarily that piracy is ok, but that there are MUCH more important crimes going on and MANY more victims that need help than a person slightly lowering a greedy executive's salary.

As someone mentioned, there are hurricanes destroying the land and bridges falling.

There are thousands of American soldiers dying in Iraq for another crusade to help executives get richer.

There are real crimes such a serial killings, rapes and high Florida homeowner’s insurance premiums…

So let’s focus on what is important…I think that compared to those other crimes, selling modchips rank pretty low in priority.

Whats worked in New York to reduce crime was to go after EVERY crime both large and small. Letting small crimes go and only going after big ones didn't work well. Is there any point to having a law and not enforcing it? If you don't agree with a law work to have it changed but all laws should be enforced.

[Buyatari]

I think he genuinely believes that smart people don't have to pay for that kind of stuff. Only the people who haven't yet figured out how to do it pay for it and that's because they're stupid! LOL



Ohh he is not the only one we have our share of those guys here on these forums as well.

[Griking]

The music industry is hurting because they didn't change with the times, not because of piracy. They needed to embrace the MP3, not fight it.

Of course, I'm sure that a lot of it also has to do with the fact that new music has absolutely sucked for the past few years as well. Stop trying to shove American Idol shit down my throat.

[heybtbm]

Of course, I'm sure that a lot of it also has to do with the fact that new music has absolutely sucked for the past few years as well. Stop trying to shove American Idol shit down my throat.

There always is excellent music out there waiting to be found. The music of today is just as good as any other time in history. You just have to look for it. (hint: you won't find it on the radio or MTV)

[monkeychemist]

There always is excellent music out there waiting to be found. The music of today is just as good as any other time in history. You just have to look for it. (hint: you won't find it on the radio or MTV)

Exactly, you don't find it on MTV or your local radio station's 8 song rotations, you find it by downloading MP3s hahahhahahahahaha

In fact, MP3s have helped a lot of new artists become discovered. So in reality it has helped the music industry...but hurt those rich execs who lost that couple milion last year booo hoo

[Push Upstairs]

The music industry is hurting because they didn't change with the times, not because of piracy. They needed to embrace the MP3, not fight it.

Yup. Nothing is more irritating than having to hear how sales are down 2% from last year and that is all due to piracy. :-/

MP3 singles are a really great idea, just the fact that these things could spread the song/band quickly is amazing.

[noname11]

Is there any point to having a law and not enforcing it? If you don't agree with a law work to have it changed but all laws should be enforced.

I think this is a response most people would have, but the reality is that "people who like mod chips for importing" neither have the money nor the political consolidation to ask for a fairer law. The recording industry, technology companies, etc do. They buy their senators pretty cheaply and get the law they want to protect their profits from market forces (like chips that let you import games that are cheaper). Copyrights stem from the constitution and are justified on the basis that they will one day become public property (like Night of the Living Dead), but the DMCA effectively places a copyrighted work in an impenetrable (legally, not technologically) fortress that ensures the work never gets into the public domain.

Since most importers practically cant fight to change the law, all we can hope for is lax enforcement. Personally, this is the reason I only buy most of my games used. Cheaper prices, no sales tax (if bought on ebay), and I'm not directly supporting the forces that may one day want to bust into my house looking for mod chips or downgraded firmwares.

[Buyatari]

I think this is a response most people would have, but the reality is that "people who like mod chips for importing" neither have the money nor the political consolidation to ask for a fairer law. The recording industry, technology companies, etc do. They buy their senators pretty cheaply and get the law they want to protect their profits from market forces (like chips that let you import games that are cheaper). Copyrights stem from the constitution and are justified on the basis that they will one day become public property (like Night of the Living Dead), but the DMCA effectively places a copyrighted work in an impenetrable (legally, not technologically) fortress that ensures the work never gets into the public domain.

Since most importers practically cant fight to change the law, all we can hope for is lax enforcement. Personally, this is the reason I only buy most of my games used. Cheaper prices, no sales tax (if bought on ebay), and I'm not directly supporting the forces that may one day want to bust into my house looking for mod chips or downgraded firmwares.

If you enjoy imports you can always buy the imported system to play them and a mod chip is not required. Cheaper yes but not required. Most software companies believe that the vast majority of mod chips are sold to people who use them to play bootleg software or they wouldn't pushed for this law. While there may be a few guys here that only use mod chips for imports you are in the minority.

[monkeychemist]

wanna add that human element to this story, read this:

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=615642

fuck the feds, they are all bought out by corporations and dont really protect us, just the really rich people.

[DreamTR]

I don't buy any argument about these crazy numbers Nintendo and Microsoft put up about losing hundreds of millions of dollars due to bootleg Wii and XBox discs. Where do they get these numbers from? Every illegal disk they confiscate? The prices are so cheap for boots that sometimes I don't think 50% of the people buying them would have purchased a retail version.

Though I really do not condone piracy at all, anyone that does really needs to take a look at what happened to everyone's favorite Dreamcast system due to rampant piracy.

[MachineGex]

So it's okay to steal medicine from a hospital because they won't take a serious hit?

Only if your sick. Or if you need vicodin and your doctor is being a jackass and wouldn't cough up any more scripts for you until the end of the month. Not that I would know about these things...

[RCM]

Piracy doesn't hurt the industry nearly as much as they let on. The numbers they throw out are estimates of how much they could have possibly lost. I don't believe every person who pirates videogames would have completed a purchase if they didn't have the option to steal. MAME ROM collections are a great example of this, though it's not exactly the same as console piracy.

The only accurate numbers the industry can look to that they lost out on are used game sales. Publishers despise Gamestop's practices. Nothing illegal about what GS does, it just sucks when a company that does 5 billion in business pushes so hard for used items.

If there's one thing I admire about the PS3 is that it's region free. They didn't do this for consumers, they did this clearly to combat piracy. Nintendo and Microsoft should follow their lead.

[Buyatari]

I read that story and anyone who makes his living modding systems should have seen it coming. This isn't a gamer with one DIY kit to play imports on his machine. This guy was cranking them out for profit. Sorry no sympathy here.

Growing and smoking your own pot and cultivating hundred of plants to sell on the street are way different. Those of you looking for lax enforcement pretty much have it. You can order 1 mod chip mod your system and never deal with cops busting down your door. Order 100s of chips and mod enough systems to pay all your bills and well you better look out.

Even the biggest importer here can't say that every system this guy modded was done to play imports alone. When you take orders from people you don't know you have to know it being done (at least some) for priacy. You can't argue this one unless you don't feel any software should be protected.

[jjessop]

wanna add that human element to this story, read this:

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=615642



Yes, let's by all means add the human element. How about the numerous DP members here that make an honest living in the video game business? This person was only out to make a quick buck cause he was out of work.

I doubt you could argue he was even a gamer as everyone here is. Sure, I bet he was only doing mods to play imports <laugh>

Jerry

[Promophile]

Honestly, lets stop the pretense that most modders import, shall we? How many gamers import games? very few. How many gamers have modded systems? More than a few. I know my fair share of people who mod to play pirated games. The import scene is alot smaller than the mod scene. Just take a look at any torrent site out there and you will find rips of all the latest PS2 and 360 games. I honestly don't care if the game companies lose 750 million dollars or 2 million to pirating, I'm still happy that these people are shut down. playing obscure arcade games on MAME is far different from downloading GTA 4 the day it comes out.

[smork]

Exactly, you don't find it on MTV or your local radio station's 8 song rotations, you find it by downloading MP3s hahahhahahahahaha

In fact, MP3s have helped a lot of new artists become discovered. So in reality it has helped the music industry...but hurt those rich execs who lost that couple milion last year booo hoo

How is stealing in any way right? I don't get what you're saying. If I have $1000 in my wallet, and you come along and take $10, is that OK, because I still have alot of money?

Say a dev house generates revenues of $10 million a year. Sounds like alot, right? Some people download their game. Maybe these people would have otherwise bought the game, but probably not. Still, at least some sales were lost. But hey, they still have $10 million, right?

Well, they don't. A company has expensese, too -- out of that revenue there are employee costs, development costs, material costs, marketing costs. If they lose 1% of their revenue, that's 1% that has to come from somewhere else to cover these costs. Maybe a secretary gets laid off. Maybe the next project gets rushed to get out quicker, so they can make more games. Somewhere, the company is hurt.

Get some responsibility in either a corporation or in your own business and you'll learn that all revenue is important, and no theft of that revenue is OK.

I can't fathom how anybody who likes their games can support piracy in the least after it drove Sega out of the harware business (yes, I know management was incompetent before the DC, but the rampant piracy was clearly the final blow). We're not talking people stealing food to feed their families, or medicine becuase they're sick, it's "take it because I want it but don't want to pay for it" which is juvenile.

[Barbarianoutkast85]

DAMN THOSE FEDS! First they kid in my door because the Poppy plants, Coca Plants and the Marijuana. NOW there gonna bust my door again, someones got some explain' to do.

[Dayan X]

Garret you're thinking of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco TX.

Ain't it great that a country like this doesnt have enoughborder control agents to keep possible terrorists out of the country, but plenty of agents to go ferreting out a bunch of teenagers trying to trade a few games that might mean the difference of a few bucks on big industry? Christ the fact that our government is a bunch of political mercenaries up for grabs to the highest bidder really makes my blood curdle.

Example 2: Millions of people die in the US every year do to smoking so they ban artificial sweeteners. BECAUSE A RAT DIED!

[heybtbm]

Ain't it great that a country like this doesnt have enoughborder control agents to keep possible terrorists out of the country, but plenty of agents to go ferreting out a bunch of teenagers trying to trade a few games that might mean the difference of a few bucks on big industry? Christ the fact that our government is a bunch of political mercenaries up for grabs to the highest bidder really makes my blood curdle.

Example 2: Millions of people die in the US every year do to smoking so they ban artificial sweeteners. BECAUSE A RAT DIED!

Gamefaqs is that way -------->

[dendawg]

Double post...nothing to see here...move along.

[dendawg]

Garret you're thinking of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco TX.

Ain't it great that a country like this doesnt have enoughborder control agents to keep possible terrorists out of the country, but plenty of agents to go ferreting out a bunch of teenagers trying to trade a few games that might mean the difference of a few bucks on big industry? Christ the fact that our government is a bunch of political mercenaries up for grabs to the highest bidder really makes my blood curdle.

Example 2: Millions of people die in the US every year do to smoking so they ban artificial sweeteners. BECAUSE A RAT DIED!

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/internet-24591.jpg

[monkeychemist]

you guys that are arguing against me are still not understanding my point.
It's not whether piracy is ok or not. I am just saying that it is typical that the feds are going after easy crimes that are safer less urgent than murders or bank robberies. Big companies buy them out and get thier protection and that is unfair to those of us who don't have money.

[Promophile]

It's not whether piracy is ok or not. I am just saying that it is typical that the feds are going after easy crimes that are safer less urgent than murders or bank robberies.

Right, because murderers are never caught. By your logic bank robbers would be the first to get caught, since banks could "buy out" the feds.

[Buyatari]

you guys that are arguing against me are still not understanding my point.
It's not whether piracy is ok or not. I am just saying that it is typical that the feds are going after easy crimes that are safer less urgent than murders or bank robberies. Big companies buy them out and get thier protection and that is unfair to those of us who don't have money.

The feds should stop ALL crimes and it is their job to act on a crime when its been reported to them. Many of these companies do their own homework and then report the information to the proper authorities. Sure these companies have money and they spend some of it weeding these guys out but these agents aren't bribed.

As far as comparing this to murders and bank robberies well you are just nuts. Violent crimes are always the first on the list and always have been. Take a look at the FBI most wanted list. All of them are violent offenders.

You could set up a website selling mod chips or even sell a modded system on ebay (if they weren't quick enough to pull it) and you may not ever hear a word about it. Go rob a bank and post the video on youtube or sell the handwritten note you used in the robbery on eBay. You won't have more than a few hours left of your freedom.

[smork]

you guys that are arguing against me are still not understanding my point.
It's not whether piracy is ok or not. I am just saying that it is typical that the feds are going after easy crimes that are safer less urgent than murders or bank robberies. Big companies buy them out and get thier protection and that is unfair to those of us who don't have money.

What big companies are buying the protection of our horribly corrupt feds? What are they buying them out for? How is that hurting you?

I don't understand your point at all -- you're right. Show me how FBI corruption exists and favors big companies over the little guy -- and how that very corruption is letting murders and robbers go free due to lack of resources. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

I can guarantee the feds prioritize going after major criminals over small time software pirates. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't also go after software pirates!

[noname11]

The DMCA is pretty broad and affects legitimate business in more ways than one. If you look at the court cases coming out before it, interoperability (read - emulation) was favored by the courts. See the Connectix Virtual Game Station case. Hell , even outright copying of security code was condoned in order to achieve this. (See Sega v Accolade). The DMCA was put together by the entertainment industry in order to ensure they could continue their price fixing practices and stall new technological developments with their very broad powers. If it wasnt for the developers of Rio and the lawsuits they faced, the Ipod (which im sure a lot of people here enjoy) wouldnt exist.

We'd all still probably be using cd players or Divx (the bad divx) if it was up to the entertainment industry.


And as for importers resorting to legitimate software, legally, we as consumers might not even be allowed to do that. Ever read a Japanese games "terms of license"? [Picks up GD-Rom of Powerstone] Aha "For Japan Only" Yeah, that license term is binding on you in the 7th Circuit according to the Pro CD case. You infringe on Capcom's copyright rights (the distribution right). The law is murky on your ability as a consumer to import media from other countries... depends on the federal circuit that you live under, apparently.

So would you as an importer want the feds busting your door down? Hmm.


Ever hear of Lik Sang? :) The law is a funny thing. Everyone is for it being applied to someone else, but when they may be considered infringers... hmmm

[smork]

Ever hear of Lik Sang? :) The law is a funny thing. Everyone is for it being applied to someone else, but when they may be considered infringers... hmmm

Lik Sang was a different case -- Sony Europe sued them for selling products to Europeans before the official release date. Previously they ahd been sued by Sega for infringement from the Treamcast sales. Lik Sang had to fold since they couldn't afford to fight SCE. It's really a different situ than US modders being arrested for copy-protection circumvention.

It would be nice for a federal court in the US to rule that region coding was restrictive to the flow of free trade like they did in Australia, but with the DMCA in place that's not going to happen.

The DVD consortium and the console manufacturers do muddy the waters consdierably with the region coding scheme, which really does nothing but open the doors for arguments legitimatizing pro-piracy arguments (as we see in this thread). If consoles and DVD players were all region free there would be NO legit reason to chip a console (yes, I know the homebrew arguments, but that is such a small percentage of the mod community).

I really do think it unlikely that the US federal government would seriously pursue grey market importers regardless of the legality since in the end it is an actual purchase of a product. You'd be more likely to see an effort to eliminate game rentals (as is the case in Japan) or used game sales. There was an effort a few years ago to end the sales of used CDs, obviously that went nowhere.

[The 1 2 P]

Piracy always hurts big companies and the industry as a whole. I love playing import games but thats what import convertors are for. The only bootleg game I have is Thrill Kill for the PS1 and thats only because they never had an official release. But I would never play random bootleg games. If your video game collection consist mainly of bootlegs, then go get a new hobby.

[noname11]

You'd be more likely to see an effort to eliminate game rentals (as is the case in Japan) or used game sales. There was an effort a few years ago to end the sales of used CDs, obviously that went nowhere.

Ever try to rent a music cd or a computer game/ program? Those industires ran to get the law changed in their favor. Video game companies tried to do the same and they couldnt convince the judges... But who knows, now that consoles are really pretty much PCs ...


The way I see it is its all about power. We may complain and point out legal arguments and whatnot, but MS , N and S all have much more friends in congress, much more money than the average joe, and much more incentive to make sure you pay/overpay for their product, and so they get the privileges they want at the expense of tax payers dollars.

As a tax payer, I dont want my tax dollars increasing anyone elses bottom line. Dont bother to point out that those companies all pay taxes... they get limited liability under the law as a trade off. Id like to get limited liability also... there's some torts i'd like to commit...

[Hep038]

Microsoft: Hey Fed's! some kids are stealing our games! here is a billion dollars go catch them.
Fed's: Sorry we are busy.
Microsoft: Busy doing what?
Fed's: We are looking for Osama on Google Maps. We will call you when we find him.

[Dayan X]

:hail: That was a moment of pure theater