article: wii about to be #1 in market share any day [Archive]

diskoboy

08-17-2007, 06:25 PM

Where in the hell is Nintendo selling these Wii's? I still haven't seen any in stores in months.

I agree.

I find that article very hard to believe. Especially since the game selection is absolutely horrendous, and last month, they were only up to something like 6.8 million sold worldwide.

And with Halo 3, Bioshock, Blue Dragon, and Eternal Sonata due in the next few weeks and months, and the new, smaller, chips coming soon. The 360 will probably pick up some more steam again, shortly.

walrusmonger

08-17-2007, 06:32 PM

I'm positive that kids still have thier parents searching for them, and since the parents are buying the games, they don't care that the kids only have Wii sports (if it's still included) or 1 game to go with the system they buy extra.

I haven't seen a Wii since a few weeks before christmas, when I worked at a game store ;)

-hellvin-

08-17-2007, 06:39 PM

I agree.

I find that article very hard to believe. Especially since the game selection is absolutely horrendous, and last month, they were only up to something like 6.8 million sold worldwide.

And with Halo 3, Bioshock, Blue Dragon, and Eternal Sonata due in the next few weeks and months, and the new, smaller, chips coming soon. The 360 will probably pick up some more steam again, shortly.

It's totally spot on when you actually do see the shipments come in. Our store gets 30 - 60 per shipment and they are GONE within a few hours at the most. Our District Warehouse had 3000+ of these units about 2 weeks ago and they've already distributed out enough to be out of stock once again.

boatofcar

08-17-2007, 06:50 PM

I agree.

I find that article very hard to believe. Especially since the game selection is absolutely horrendous, and last month, they were only up to something like 6.8 million sold worldwide.

And with Halo 3, Bioshock, Blue Dragon, and Eternal Sonata due in the next few weeks and months, and the new, smaller, chips coming soon. The 360 will probably pick up some more steam again, shortly.

I think you're confusing hardware sales with software sales. While the Wii may be close to number one in hardware, they're dead last in software sales. Basically, people are buying it for parties to play Wii Sports and the like.

Personally, I think the Wii is this generation's Pong machine. It's bought, pulled out for parties, and spends most of its time gathering dust. And I love Nintendo.

diskoboy

08-17-2007, 07:50 PM

Personally, I think the Wii is this generation's Pong machine. It's bought, pulled out for parties, and spends most of its time gathering dust. And I love Nintendo.

Actually, that's not too bad a comparison....

Dangerboy

08-17-2007, 07:59 PM

The software comment catches my eye...it's just the opposite for me. I've played the Wii religiously since launch (Wii Sports, Zelda, Excite Truck, Elebits, Red Steel, Strikers, Metroid next week...) but I just bought my Elite, and truth be told, there's like 3, maybe 4 physical games tops that I want for it, within the next year. The rest is all Live arcade games that I'm enjoying.

I really, really don't understand where all the hate is coming from for the Wii library.

I can however, back up the Wii selling comment. Since launch, our last shipment of Wiis, about 9 total last week, was the first shipment since kast year that did not sell out coming off the UPS truck. We actually had them for a few days. Once people found out, boom! gone.

We've had a TON of 360s coming in via trade-ins, and PS3s....well....yeah.

mills

08-17-2007, 08:16 PM

I agree.

I find that article very hard to believe. Especially since the game selection is absolutely horrendous, and last month, they were only up to something like 6.8 million sold worldwide.

And with Halo 3, Bioshock, Blue Dragon, and Eternal Sonata due in the next few weeks and months, and the new, smaller, chips coming soon. The 360 will probably pick up some more steam again, shortly.

you know what, I'm sick of people with atitudes like yours. The wii has been out for less than 1 year yet you still bitch about the lack of software.

How long has the Xbox 360 been out before those games you just named were released? 2-3 years?

Bronty-2

08-17-2007, 09:20 PM

I really, really don't understand where all the hate is coming from for the Wii library.

Well, they've turned the industry upside down the last couple years.. hence the hate I guess.

Bronty-2

08-17-2007, 09:22 PM

I think you're confusing hardware sales with software sales. While the Wii may be close to number one in hardware, they're dead last in software sales. Basically, people are buying it for parties to play Wii Sports and the like.

Personally, I think the Wii is this generation's Pong machine. It's bought, pulled out for parties, and spends most of its time gathering dust. And I love Nintendo.

Well, where are you getting that from? From what I've read the ps3 has a lower attach rate, and obviously a way lower number from total software sold.

Besides, looking at attach rate without considering the time the consoles has been on the market is assinine anyway.

Steve W

08-17-2007, 10:05 PM

Where in the hell is Nintendo selling these Wii's? I still haven't seen any in stores in months.
Those numbers aren't just for the US, they're for the whole world. And I can kinda understand the numbers, with the 360's reliability problems, the PS3's high price, and the Wii's low price in comparison. I also understand what people have said about the Wii's library. I've been debating getting one since it's launch, but there's not too many titles that really compel me to spend the money. I don't care about Zelda or Mario, don't like mini-game compilations, and have no interest in Resident Evil or Manhunt. I especially don't want to play any licensed children's movie/TV show based titles. In the end, that doesn't leave a whole lot of really good games. I'm still at the 'wait and see' level.

diskoboy

08-17-2007, 10:11 PM

Dangerboy

08-17-2007, 10:26 PM

Why?

Because I want a game good enough to justify my $250 purchase?

See Previous Entry:

Wii Sports, Zelda, Excite Truck, Elebits, Red Steel, Strikers, Metroid next week...)

See also:

Rayman Raving Rabbids, Metal Slug Anthology (With GC controller), Big Brain Academy, Super Paper Mario....

And oh....half the virtual console....

But then I didn't care for Gears of War, so what do I know?

XYXZYZ

08-17-2007, 10:36 PM

Niku-Sama

08-17-2007, 11:19 PM

I was actually contemplating selling the Wii, after finishing Super Paper Mario I don't do a damn thing with it. But then I saw the video for Star Soldier R. (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104049) There may be hope yet.

why the heck did you link to a post that had a link to some place else? confusing.

metroids comming out soon, paper mario is pretty good, i like Red Steel and Zelda was on equal terms of paper mario. mnario kart will be arround some time after metroid so by the time i finish it i will have something else to play.

Melf

08-17-2007, 11:26 PM

you know what, I'm sick of people with atitudes like yours. The wii has been out for less than 1 year yet you still bitch about the lack of software.

How long has the Xbox 360 been out before those games you just named were released? 2-3 years?

Please. It's been nine months already. Aside from the three big Nintendo titles (SSBM, Metroid Prime 3, and Mario Galaxy), can you name ONE major 3rd party title coming for the Wii in the fourth quarter? I'm sick of people making excuses for the Wii's lackluster library. "They underestimated how well it would sell!" "Making games for the Wiimote takes time!" I've heard so many, I've lost count. Where are the high profile 3rd party games?

The 360's first year sucked, that much is true; however, it wasn't being touted as the biggest "innovation" in gaming in years, and it didn't have any other next gen consoles with which to compete. The Wii has to go against an established Xbox 360 and a hype-heavy PS3. Mini games and GC ports aren't going to cut it. Eventually people are going to tire of the same old crap and want something "innovative," you know, that word that's been the banner of the Wii since launch?

The fact of the matter is that this holiday season is going to hurt Nintendo if the supply shortage continues. The 360 has some major guns ready, and the PS3's price drop will help make up for it's slow but steady influx of titles. The Wii is a totally different story. If it doesn't say "Nintendo" on the box, you're not going to get any major 3rd party titles save for perhaps NIGHTS (an unhyped sequel to a niche title on a 3rd place console) until 2008.

I know I'm going to enjoy the hell out of Nintendo's offerings (I always do), but I'm quite disappointed with how slow other publishers have been to embrace the Wii. 3rd party support is supposedly stronger than ever, but the games are nowhere to be seen. When 2007 Sega is your best 3rd party publisher, something's definitely wrong.

Borman

08-17-2007, 11:32 PM

Please. It's been nine months already. Aside from the three big Nintendo titles (SSBM, Metroid Prime 3, and Mario Galaxy), can you name ONE major 3rd party title coming for the Wii in the fourth quarter? I'm sick of people making excuses for the Wii's lackluster library. "They underestimated how well it would sell!" "Making games for the Wiimote takes time!" I've heard so many, I've lost count. Where are the high profile 3rd party games?

no more heroes will hopefully be out this holiday season, it looks amazing.

diskoboy

08-17-2007, 11:35 PM

See Previous Entry:

Wii Sports, Zelda, Excite Truck, Elebits, Red Steel, Strikers, Metroid next week...)

See also:

Rayman Raving Rabbids, Metal Slug Anthology (With GC controller), Big Brain Academy, Super Paper Mario....

And oh....half the virtual console....

But then I didn't care for Gears of War, so what do I know?

Out of the top row, of all those games, I only enjoyed Elebits. Got sick of Zelda in 3 days. Excite Truck is so-so. Red Steel was a joke, Super Paper Mario got sick of in 2 days. Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition is the only game that kept me from selling the thing. I never got to play it last gen.

I've only bought maybe 5 VC games. I went on strike until Nintendo released Metroid last week. And the only game after Super Metroid I'd be interested in would be Bionic Commando, and Blaster Master.

Melf

08-17-2007, 11:36 PM

What happened to Operation Hammer (not sure of that's the name)? It was looking pretty cool and then dropped off the radar.

swlovinist

08-17-2007, 11:58 PM

Operation Hammer got canned offically. As for the debate, I like the 360 and the Wii for totally different reasons. The Wii is kicking ass sales wise. Software wise...it doesnt really matter. Why? Nintendo is making money off the hardware....something the other folks need to try!

Both the Wii and the 360 will be the large percentage of the market...as for the PS3...can they screw up any more?

theMot

08-18-2007, 12:05 AM

The Wii has been an almost total disapointment as far as im concerned, and will continue to be into the foreseeable future. Besides the Nintendo exclusives (of which i have only a mild interestin mario galaxy, the rest are just rehashs, meh) i just dont see anything much in the pipeline that is going to make me interested again.

Thank god for the 360 and it's excellent line up on the way!

Daria

08-18-2007, 02:01 AM

Why?

Because I want a game good enough to justify my $250 purchase?

Super Paper Mario? I own two Wii titles... and this one was worth it alone.

ubersaurus

08-18-2007, 02:16 AM

boatofcar

08-18-2007, 02:26 AM

Besides, looking at attach rate without considering the time the consoles has been on the market is assinine anyway.

Again, it's been nine months. I don't think its "assinine" at all.

koster

08-18-2007, 04:24 AM

There are a few Wii games I'm looking forward to before the end of the year:

Endless Ocean
Godzilla: Unleashed
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Zack & Wiki

Not to mention "No More Heroes", whenever that one is released...

Family Computer

08-18-2007, 04:45 AM

I don't own any next-gen consoles, however I would like a 360 for Halo 3 + Xbox Live Arcade.

If you already own a PC Engine/Megadrive/Famicom/Super Famicom the Virtual Console is pretty much worthless, while XBox Live Arcade has some exclusives not available anywhere else. I only hope that they will release 4-Player Simpson's Arcade & some other Konami games.

For someone who doesn't own the old consoles, a Wii is a pretty good system to have.

What you have to remember is that Japan matters the most to people who like Japanese developed games. The 360 will be great for FPS and games by Western developers. But, sooner or later, PS3 WILL have the best games in my opinion. Once that happens & the price drops, people WILL start buying them in heaps.

At the moment out of the 3 I would rank them in the order (360, Wii, PS3). After a year I have a feeling it will be more like (PS3, 360, Wii).

At the end of the day, the Wii will be about first party games. It always is with Nintendo.

Super Smash Bros / Metroid / Mother are the series that I would want a Wii for. It would be cool to have a Metal Gear game that utilizes the Wii Mote though.

The 360 will utterly fail in Japan, so you know the games have to be coming for the PS3.

Bronty-2

08-18-2007, 04:54 AM

Again, it's been nine months. I don't think its "assinine" at all.

maybe you don't understand my point. The 360 has been out over twice as long. OF COURSE it will have a higher attach rate. Let's say you have two consoles - one you've had for a year, the other for two. Which one do you think you're going to own more games for? Divide the 360's attach rate in half and you have a fairer comparison.

alxbly

08-18-2007, 09:45 AM

Let's say you have two consoles - one you've had for a year, the other for two. Which one do you think you're going to own more games for? Divide the 360's attach rate in half and you have a fairer comparison.

I see the logic in what you're saying. However, I've owned a Wii since last December (it was first next gen console) and a 360 since my birthday in April. In 8 months I've owned the Wii I've got 8 games, and in the four months I've owned a 360 I've got 14 games. There's only been two Wii titles so far that have really held my attention; Twilight Princess and RE4. Super Paper Mario should change that, but it's not released in the UK until Sept 14th. :(

Stone_Protector_101

08-18-2007, 10:51 AM

well i have seen them here in maryland the gamecrazy here just got 15 in stock on friday.. but that about it they sell as soon as they hit any retail store all becuz people hear its great which it 75% true im still waiting on the games that make me say Oh my F*%$ing God

ubersaurus

08-18-2007, 11:53 AM

I only have 3 wii games and like, 6 360 games...but this is a function of price, rather than quality software. I can't justify shelling out full price for most games, but there are a number of wii games I want to pick up, vs 360 games(most of which I got for christmas).

WanganRunner

08-18-2007, 12:00 PM

Melf

08-18-2007, 07:55 PM

Nights Journey into Dreams.

Hardly high profile. I'm talking major franchises. The only one announced (I'll go with "announced" to be fair, since the Wii hasn't been around as long) for the Wii has been Guitar Hero III, which is coming over to the other consoles as well. Were are the big name franchises? 3rd party exclusives?

maybe you don't understand my point. The 360 has been out over twice as long. OF COURSE it will have a higher attach rate. Let's say you have two consoles - one you've had for a year, the other for two. Which one do you think you're going to own more games for? Divide the 360's attach rate in half and you have a fairer comparison.

You can't have it both ways though. If the Wii's library is so great, then why aren't more people buying the games? If it's been around half as long as you say, then how can there be so many great games? The reality is that the Wii's hardware sales =/= its software sales. People are buying the consoles, not the games, otherwise there'd be a higher attach rate. There are practically as many Wiis sold as 360s, so the attach rate should be much higher, regardless of how long it's been out.

ubersaurus

08-18-2007, 11:51 PM

You're telling me Nights 2 isn't high profile? What the hell IS high profile then, Madden 08?

Anyone the least bit familiar with video games knows of Nights, at the least. The first is pretty well known and regarded. And given all the coverage it's been getting, honestly if that's not high profile I don't know what is.

diskoboy

08-19-2007, 12:56 AM

NiGHTS 2 and Metroid 3 are the only titles I can honestly say I'm looking forward too, in the remote future. Super Metroid for the VC...

After seeing so much Mario Galaxy stuff, I'm beginning to think it's looking a little like Mario 64 (which I loathe). I may rent it. But it'll have to really wow me to make a purchase. I've been pretty bored with the Mario franchise since Super Mario World on the SNES

Melf

08-19-2007, 01:05 AM

Nights 2 is getting press because it's the sequel to a game whose creator always said would never get one. It's not a big franchise in the normal sense. When I say high profile, I mean in the same vein as GTA, Metal Gear Solid, and yes, even Madden. Like it or not, those are games that receive massive amounts of advertising and will sell millions of copies. Considering that Sonic & the Secret Rings didn't set the world on fire, I doubt that Nights will sell much better than Sega's mascot. And don't give me the old "Sonic is played out/outdated/his games suck" excuse, because we're talking notoriety and hype, not game quality.

Nights 2 may be a great game when it comes out, but I don't think you're going to see it push big numbers, which I agree is a sad thing. If more games like it sold well, we'd get more than endless FPS titles and derivative crap.

boatofcar

08-19-2007, 01:24 AM

Prediction:

Software sales for the Wii will improve when Nintendo and other developers stop trying to fit in motion control in all their games. DS software sales, while always good, really took off when more games came out for it that weren't dependent on gimmicky stylus and microphone features.

Of course, I predict this optimistically, as I hate all three things mentioned. Just give me buttons, d-pads, and sticks, please. Or at least make an optional control scheme where no waving of limbs is required.

WanganRunner

08-19-2007, 04:00 PM

I finally scored my very own Wii today! 9 long months of waiting!

Icarus Moonsight

08-20-2007, 06:13 AM

Software developers only care about three things; marketshare, marketshare and most importantly... marketshare. That's it in a nutshell.

I'll agree people are buying Wii's for Wii Sports, in the US. It was planned that way by Nintendo. They knew they needed an extra push here in the states because the competition is more fierce. Playstation and Xbox sell well here and that leaves less market for them. Unlike Japan where the Xbox brand is scoffed at and nearly non-existant in comparison. In time Wii software sales will pick up especially if they can manage to hold #1 marketshare. Even the folks who bought a Wii exclusively for Wii Sports will wander into purchasing other software eventually.

The arguement that the success of the Wii was unforseen is valid. The console was surrounded by skepticism from the get go. We can all remember the responce that the Wii gathered at E306. Even after that awesome showing, devs were on the wait and see side of things. In the case it was a fluke or when the Wii was actually brought to market it turned out to be nothing more than a passing fad or just a gimmick. Hell, alot of devs still feel that way although some have changed their tune by now. A hilarious and ironic Wii as #1 marketshare scenario would be if devs started focusing on games for the Wii and ported those titles to the PS3 and 360 like all those PS2 focused and developed games were ported to the more hardware impressive GC and Xbox. Usually with little or none in the way of hardware specific improvements. It rendered the extra power of the other consoles inert and it was all due to marketshare. Add in a substantially higher price and it makes it even more ludicris. LOL

Look at the DS. The game library sucked for nearly a solid year before games started comming out that made the system a compelling purchase. I feel the Wii will more than likely be no different. Excepting that the Wii's first year of releases are alot better than the DS's were. Slightly lackluster yes but, definately better. The PS3 library is worse currently and the 360's wasn't any better than the Wii's 9 months in.