Fighters on Dreamcast vs. PS2

[Family Computer]

Many 2D fighting games have been released for both the DC & PS2, but in some cases one version is better than the other. I am mainly interested in the following games, but chime in with any opinions about others!

-Marvel vs. Capcom 2
-Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
-SNK vs. Capcom 2
-Garou Mark of the Wolves
-Last Blade 1/2 (I think only 2 was on DC, but 1/2 on the JPN Neo Geo PS2 Pack)

[Untamed]

MvsC2 always, to me at least, looked better on the Dreamcast.

Can't really comment on the other games there, but I'm pretty sure Sega hardware usually has the edge on 2D visuals in general.

[Matt-El]

Though discussed many times, I'll throw in an opinion:


Frankly, Dreamcast seems to be the best system to get fighters for.

Namely MVC2, Fatal Fury MOTW, CVS, CVS2 (jap), Guilty gear x (jap), Super Street Fighter II Turbo x (Jap), KOF 98, etc. It fucking rocks.


PS2 handled fighters decently, but so underdeveloped. So much in fact, you have to bring in the PS1 in on the arguement. That being said, There have been so many fighters released for the system just due to the fact of time. Jap importing should be considered as well. I'd like a Jap PS2 in the future for that fact.

Again, insert miscellaneous Capcom or snk fighter. But the thing is that you'll still have loading times for a good majority of the games, and because of limited releases, you'll end up paying quadruple the price for some of them. Such as MVC2 goes for 100 bucks on PS2, but on DC it goes for approx 36 ish.

Now you could also argue that DC had better designed hardware because of it essentially having the performance of Sega's Naomi Hardware, but that's a lot of ninnypicking between those two to get a full view.

Frankly, this is what you need to know.

PS2 = Great selection

DC = Great playability

[Untamed]

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PS2 = Great selection

DC = Great playability



Very well put.

[Kroogah]

Marvel Vs. Capcom 2, Dreamcast by far. PS2 version played fine, but had nasty sound compression issues, and the colors just kinda bled into eachother.

Capcom Vs. SNK 2 is too close to call.

But you want a Dreamcast for the 2D stuff anyway. Stick to Tekken 5 and Virtua Fighter 4 Evo on the PS2.

[Cambot]

Am I the only one who thinks Soul Calibur looks better on Dreamcast than Soul Calibur III looks on PS2?

[Sailorneorune]

@ Cambot: Nope.

I like Soul Calibur the most of that trilogy - followed by Soul Calibur II (Gamecube version because of the inclusion of Link - he seems to fit in better than Heihachi or Spawn).

I love Dreamcast fighters -- the console is so great for 2D and arcade ports (thanks to the Naomi), it headlines my collection alongside the Wii and its bounty of goodness provided by the Virtual Console.

Long live 2D.
Long live Wiimcast.

[Kitsune Sniper]

I dunno, the PS2 FINALLY got great NeoGeo ports with SNK's Online Collection series. All of them feature almost perfect NeoGeo emulation with arrange soundtracks as an added extra.

[KingCobra]

-Marvel vs. Capcom 2 = Dreamcast

-Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike = PS2

-SNK vs. Capcom 2 = Dreamcast, very close though.

-Garou Mark of the Wolves = Not sure, didn't import the PS2 Ver.

-Last Blade 1/2 = Dreamcast

[c0ldb33r]

What about Capcom vs. SNK 2 for xbox? I used to play Cap vs. SNK 2 for Dreamcast and have just gotten it for the xbox and was pretty impressed with how the xbox version turned out (except for that EO control scheme!).

[Kitsune Sniper]

What about Capcom vs. SNK 2 for xbox? I used to play Cap vs. SNK 2 for Dreamcast and have just gotten it for the xbox and was pretty impressed with how the xbox version turned out (except for that EO control scheme!).

Don't forget the Gamecube also got this... did the GC even get ANY other fighting games (barring SSBM?)

[Kroogah]

What about Capcom vs. SNK 2 for xbox? I used to play Cap vs. SNK 2 for Dreamcast and have just gotten it for the xbox and was pretty impressed with how the xbox version turned out (except for that EO control scheme!).

Xbox version of CVS2 (and SF Anniversary for that matter) automatically wins for online play.

[koster]

Don't forget the Gamecube also got this... did the GC even get ANY other fighting games (barring SSBM?)
Soul Calibur II (previously mentioned), Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance / Deception, and the fighting games on Midway Arcade Treasures 2 come to mind.

[RCM]

DC has Virtua Fighter 3TB. BEST.FIGHTER.EVER. Get it now, probably really cheap.

[Stone_Protector_101]

Aww man dont forget about Joe Joe Bizarre Adv

[sabre2922]

Streetfighter 3: third strike is one of the few DC games I still have (along with Shenmue) and I always luved the DC version until I played the PS2 version on the Streetfighter Anniversary Collection!:love:

I never believed that ANY PS2 version of a 2-D fighter could be superior to the Dreamcast version but I was wrong.

The PS2 Streetfighter 3 is as close to arcade perfect as Ive ever seen with all the frames of animation that was missing from the Dreamcast version (I never really noticed until I was able to compare the two up close) and far better hit detection among other things.


Also with all the great 2-D Fighter collections available on the PS2 it has really surprised me that I prefer the PS2 versions of at least 90% of 2-D fighters when compared to the Dreamcast or even my old favorite the Sega Saturn.

I also have the Capcom vs. SNK 2 wich is the same on BOTH the PS2 and Dreamcast.

The only 2-D fighter that I truly like on the DC better than the PS2 is Marvel vs. Capcom 2 but they are both great.

Soul Calibur on the Dreamcast is still one of the best 3-D fighters ever made but I simply dont understand how ANYONE can hate on Soul Calibur 3 other than it being exclusive to the PS2 unless one simply has some type of bias against the PS2 (and I know there are a few on this forum).

Anyway Soul Calibur 3 is a great 3-D fighter and no matter how much I may look at the original Soul Calibur 1 on DC through rose colored glasses Soul Calibur 3 on PS2 does look better and plays great.

I know I may catch more than a few flames for this but I tend to think of Soul Calibur 2 as the most overated in that series.

The thing is that the ONLY fighter 2-D or 3-D that I really enjoyed on the Gamecube besides Smash Bros. was SC2 but that was cause good ol Link was playable.

No matter how much luv I have for the highly underated Gamecube I simply cannot stand to play any 2-D fighter on that system the controller just was NOT made for that type of gameplay.

[Damaramu]

I was a little disappointed with the way the Street Fighters games turned out on the PS2. Yeah, I own the compilations, and it was the little things that I noticed.

I would have both PS2 and Saturn versions of SSF2 Turbo running and switch back and forth between the two via video selector box. I noticed the Saturn version looks closer to the arcade, where as the PS2 version had slightly blurred graphics with stretched sprites.

And on Alpha 2, the PS2 version lacked a small animation that always amused me:

On the Final Fight stage- Cody would smile and get slapped by Jessica when ever a female character would stand in front of them. This animation appears to be missing on the PS2 version last time I checked. Not missing on the Saturn version of the games (Alpha 2 and Alpha 2 Gold).

[sabre2922]

I was a little disappointed with the way the Street Fighters games turned out on the PS2. Yeah, I own the compilations, and it was the little things that I noticed.

I would have both PS2 and Saturn versions of SSF2 Turbo running and switch back and forth between the two via video selector box. I noticed the Saturn version looks closer to the arcade, where as the PS2 version had slightly blurred graphics with stretched sprites.

And on Alpha 2, the PS2 version lacked a small animation that always amused me:

On the Final Fight stage- Cody would smile and get slapped by Jessica when ever a female character would stand in front of them. This animation appears to be missing on the PS2 version last time I checked. Not missing on the Saturn version of the games (Alpha 2 and Alpha 2 Gold).

I LUVED Streetfighter ALpha 2 gold on the Sega Saturn but the PS2 versions are just as good.

[ubersaurus]

Many 2D fighting games have been released for both the DC & PS2, but in some cases one version is better than the other. I am mainly interested in the following games, but chime in with any opinions about others!

-Marvel vs. Capcom 2
-Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
-SNK vs. Capcom 2
-Garou Mark of the Wolves
-Last Blade 1/2 (I think only 2 was on DC, but 1/2 on the JPN Neo Geo PS2 Pack)

With the exceptions of Marvel 2 and Capcom vs SNK 2, the PS2 versions tend to be closer to arcade perfect. 3rd Strike on Dreamcast has an input lag not found in the arcade version, and also has changed damage scaling, a couple combos, and the removal of the Urien unblockable. Last Blade 2 and MOTW have laggy voice clips, among slightly differing gameplay(combos and such).

Marvel 2 is arcade perfect on the dreamcast, a feat no other console really was able to do. CvS2 is pretty much the same on ps2 and Dreamcast, but being a NAOMI based game it would stand to reason that the Dreamcast one would be "arcade perfect" almost by default :P

[ubersaurus]

Though discussed many times, I'll throw in an opinion:


Frankly, Dreamcast seems to be the best system to get fighters for.

Namely MVC2, Fatal Fury MOTW, CVS, CVS2 (jap), Guilty gear x (jap), Super Street Fighter II Turbo x (Jap), KOF 98, etc. It fucking rocks.


PS2 handled fighters decently, but so underdeveloped. So much in fact, you have to bring in the PS1 in on the arguement. That being said, There have been so many fighters released for the system just due to the fact of time. Jap importing should be considered as well. I'd like a Jap PS2 in the future for that fact.

Again, insert miscellaneous Capcom or snk fighter. But the thing is that you'll still have loading times for a good majority of the games, and because of limited releases, you'll end up paying quadruple the price for some of them. Such as MVC2 goes for 100 bucks on PS2, but on DC it goes for approx 36 ish.

Now you could also argue that DC had better designed hardware because of it essentially having the performance of Sega's Naomi Hardware, but that's a lot of ninnypicking between those two to get a full view.

Frankly, this is what you need to know.

PS2 = Great selection

DC = Great playability

I'm not sure I follow you. The PS2 not only has more 2d fighters, but more are arcade perfect. I mean, even if you want to look at domestic releases, it has a better selection:

Dreamcast Domestic:
Capcom vs SNK
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Street Fighter 3(all 3 variants)
marvel vs. capcom
Marvel vs Capcom 2
King of Fighters 98
King of Fighters 99
Last Blade 2
Mark of the Wolves
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

PS2 domestic:
Guilty Gear X
Guilty Gear XX
Street Fighter Alpha Anthology(1, 2, Gold, 3)
Street Fighter Anthology(Hyper 2, 3rd Strike)
King of Fighters 2000/2001
King of Fighters 2002/2003
Art of Fighting Collection(1, 2, 3)
Capcom vs SNK 2
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Fatal Fury Collection(1, 2, 3, Special)
Capcom Fighting Evolution

if you add imports, the Dreamcast gains KOF 2000, 2001, 2002, Vampire Chronicles, Super SF2 Turbo, and Capcom vs SNK 2. The PS2 though, gains Guilty Gear XX Slash, Guilty Gear XX Reloaded, SNK vs Capcom 2, Last Blade 1 & 2, Mark of the Wolves, King of Fighters XI, Samurai Shodown V, Samurai Shodown Tenka, Neogeo Battle Colosseum, King of Fighters Neowave, World Heroes Collection, Real Bout Fatal Fury collection, and probably a few others I missed.

Quite simply the PS2 is the better fighting game machine based on the import and domestic selections. It's not even a contest.

[Family Computer]

Yeah, I was a little bit confused when people were trying to say that the DC was the better fighting machine. I am well aware that they use the PS2 versions of a lot of fighting games for tournaments.

I also knew, that some fighting games ran on Naomi hardware and I just wasn't sure which of them were.

I guess I will get JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Marvel vs. Capcom 2, & Marvel vs. Capcom 1 on the DC.

I already have Last Blade 1/2, Street Fighter 3rd Strike, Garou Mark of the Wolves, and Hyper Street Fighter 2 Anniversary on the PS2. I wasn't sure if the Neo ports were better on the DC or PS2.

Thanks for all the input guys!

[diskoboy]

MvsC2 on the DC kicked so much ass, and remains one of my most played DC games. And it looked better on the DC because it was a Naomi board, based game. And most Naomi games translated flawlessly to the Dreamcast.

The one thing that sucked though, is; I own the Japanese import, which has online play. Unfortunately, that feature never made it to the US version, and you couldn't get online with the import version, from the US anyway (but back then, I thought you could, which is why I bought it over the US version.)

SF3: Third Strike, and Guilty Gear also were quite fun.

But hands down, the best fighting series on the Dreamcast is the Power Stone series, even though it's not 2-D. I perferred PS 2, myself... The experience with 4 players rivals the classic Atari Warlords.

[Matt-El]

I'm not sure I follow you. The PS2 not only has more 2d fighters, but more are arcade perfect. I mean, even if you want to look at domestic releases, it has a better selection:

Dreamcast Domestic:
Capcom vs SNK
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Street Fighter 3(all 3 variants)
marvel vs. capcom
Marvel vs Capcom 2
King of Fighters 98
King of Fighters 99
Last Blade 2
Mark of the Wolves
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

PS2 domestic:
Guilty Gear X
Guilty Gear XX
Street Fighter Alpha Anthology(1, 2, Gold, 3)
Street Fighter Anthology(Hyper 2, 3rd Strike)
King of Fighters 2000/2001
King of Fighters 2002/2003
Art of Fighting Collection(1, 2, 3)
Capcom vs SNK 2
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Fatal Fury Collection(1, 2, 3, Special)
Capcom Fighting Evolution

if you add imports, the Dreamcast gains KOF 2000, 2001, 2002, Vampire Chronicles, Super SF2 Turbo, and Capcom vs SNK 2. The PS2 though, gains Guilty Gear XX Slash, Guilty Gear XX Reloaded, SNK vs Capcom 2, Last Blade 1 & 2, Mark of the Wolves, King of Fighters XI, Samurai Shodown V, Samurai Shodown Tenka, Neogeo Battle Colosseum, King of Fighters Neowave, World Heroes Collection, Real Bout Fatal Fury collection, and probably a few others I missed.

Quite simply the PS2 is the better fighting game machine based on the import and domestic selections. It's not even a contest.



No, you followed me fine. Though you are entitled to your opinion on PERFORMANCE, you summed up that the SELECTION of PS2 being Superior.

Of course, there's a lot of games. Ain't dat whut I say?

[j_factor]

Call me crazy, but I prefer Double Impact to Third Strike. I don't think New Generation made it to PS2 in any form.

I have to say, I really can't stand the PS2 controller for fighting games. The face buttons just don't "press well", and my hands get cramped after a few minutes.

I don't know how well it applies to this discussion, but there are several fighters on PS2 that I'd rather play on Saturn or Xbox. To me, it doesn't really matter that there's a PS2 version of, say, Samurai Shodown V, because if I were going to get it, I'd get the Xbox version. So even though there's no DC version, that's not really a "plus" for PS2, to me.

Finally, while I've had a Dreamcast boot disc since 2001, I still don't have the ability to play imports on my PS2. It seems a lot less import friendly.

[ubersaurus]

No, you followed me fine. Though you are entitled to your opinion on PERFORMANCE, you summed up that the SELECTION of PS2 being Superior.

Of course, there's a lot of games. Ain't dat whut I say?

There's nothing to opine. Outside of the NAOMI native games, CvS2 and MvC2, none of the games on both consoles are closer to the arcade original on the Dreamcast. 3rd Strike, Alpha 3, the SNK games, all of these have problems with combos, timing, techniques, and just plain accuracy issues. On the PS2, these issues simply aren't there.

I love the dreamcast, and once upon a time it was THE system to play fighters on. But the PS2 has long since surpassed it in that regard, and outside of the exclusives and Marvel 2, it's just not as good. For hardcore fighter fans, it's all the difference.

[Family Computer]

thanks for clearing that up ubersaurus...I'm definitely gonna go with the PS2 versions except for MvC2 for the DC.

That's actually great because I already own SF3: 3rd Strike, SF2 Hyper Anniversary, Garou Mark of the Wolves, & Last Blade Collection for PS2.

I was hoping I wouldn't have to replace any with a better DC version. Also, MvC2 is insanely expensive on PS2 so that's a definite plus!

[KingCobra]

Outside of collecting, you should be playing fighters anyways on the same hardware as the masses, that way they don't feel differnt. There are major gameplay differance's between timing and gameplay speeds(refreash rates), CvsSNK2 feels faster on PS2 than on the DC. I've also felt differance's between Imports of the same game on the same hardware. I have both SF3 Double Impact's for Dreamcast(JPN/U.S.) and the JPN ver. is a bit faster.

anyways, good luck.