Growlanser: Heritage of War for PS2...

[heybtbm]

Growlanser V - Release date: 18 September 2007.

http://www.gamestop.com/common/images/lbox/281776b.jpg

It seems Atlus has either "sunk to a new low" or finally decided to be honest with their hardcore customers. I suppose it depends on your perspective. This is the line they're running in all their print ads...

The title will only receive a single print run -- when the initial allocation has sold out, the game will no longer be available for purchase. Growlanser: Heritage of War will be a truly Limited Edition release.

In other words...buy it now or never. Still looks like a nice set. I'll be picking it up next week.

[FantasiaWHT]

Oooooh!

I absolutely loved the first one (in generations). For some reason, I could never get into the second one, though... stopped about 15 hours in.

[jcalder8]

Is there any info about what's included in the limited edition?

[heybtbm]

Is there any info about what's included in the limited edition?

From Gamestop.com:

This Limited Edition will include the game, a 100-page art book, multimedia CD-ROM, Growlanser keychain, 2 Growlanser linticular cards and 3 Growlanser pins.

[Bojay1997]

The problem I have with buying this is that it would be purely as a collector's item. The game got mediocre reviews and I really didn't care for the previous Working Designs release. So, do I spend the $50 or just let it go? I haven't really decided yet.

[neogamer]

Growlanser V - Release date: 18 September 2007.

http://www.gamestop.com/common/images/lbox/281776b.jpg

It seems Atlus has either "sunk to a new low" or finally decided to be honest with their hardcore customers. I suppose it depends on your perspective. This is the line they're running in all their print ads...

The title will only receive a single print run -- when the initial allocation has sold out, the game will no longer be available for purchase. Growlanser: Heritage of War will be a truly Limited Edition release.

In other words...buy it now or never. Still looks like a nice set. I'll be picking it up next week.

Thank God! All games should be like this, a once and done production run! Unfortunately, its bad for business. If the demand curve moves up, companies generally try to maximize profits by making more copies.

Unfortunate, but true. Of course, some games defy this logic, otherwise Panzer Dragoon Saga would be readily available for a fraction of its commanding price in the marketplace.

Guess I have to buy it on September 18,2007!

[norkusa]

I have a feeling that when this sells out, they'll release a game-only "Regular" version that's not bundled with all the extras (like the original Growlanser). So when people complain, Atlus can say "When we said we wouldn't be re-printing any more, we meant LIMITED EDITIONS, n00b. lol."

[otaku]

I can understand a standard edition but limited editions are great especially when done right, like this! Limited editions should be just that limited production and just one printing to.

Working designs is awesome glad to see someone is still doing similar work to their's and gaijinworks will hopefully launch soon. Just bough PDS, awesome game!

[neogamer]

I have a feeling that when this sells out, they'll release a game-only "Regular" version that's not bundled with all the extras (like the original Growlanser). So when people complain, Atlus can say "When we said we wouldn't be re-printing any more, we meant LIMITED EDITIONS, n00b. lol."

Yes, but Atlus has never done anything like that before to my knowledge, have they?

Why would they start now?

One thing I love about Atlus and to a lesser extent, SNK, is that their games hold value overtime, due to low print runs. I am by no means saying you can get "rich" off them, but it is definately better(for the collector) than other companies (i.e. Sony, Nintendo, Konami) who keep re-releasing their games!

[norkusa]

Yes, but Atlus has never done anything like that before to my knowledge, have they?

Why would they start now?


No but they definitely do a lot of reprints of their games, so I wouldn't be surprised if a game only version was eventually released.

[lendelin]

A question for clarification for all you Growlanser experts:

With the release of Growlanser Heritage of War, only the first Growlanser (PS) and Growlanser IV (PS2) are not released in the US (since Heritage of War is the Japanese Growlanser V, and Growlanser Generations includes the Japanese Growlanser II and Growlanser III).

Am I correct about this?

BTW, I think if a title (let it be a regular or deluxe edition) is already announced as rare before its release we won't have any trouble finding it later on for a reasonable price. :)

[agbulls]

wow, I'll pick this up for sure. I also need to regrab Valkryie Profile for Ps2 soon. Is Gamestop taking reserves still?

[roushimsx]

Thank God! All games should be like this, a once and done production run! Unfortunately, its bad for business. If the demand curve moves up, companies generally try to maximize profits by making more copies.

It's shitty for gamers when they do the "once and done production run", too. The only people that ever benefit from limited print runs are resellers. Meanwhile, people that genuinely want to play the game get fucked over by grossly inflated prices.

Thankfully, that probably won't happen with this one, considering it's not terribly good (http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/growlanserv/index.html). Sure would be nice if someone fan translated the first part in the series, I'd like to see how that one was. According to that RPGfan review, it was a worthy successor to Langrisser.

Langrisser kicked ass.

Which reminds me, I've yet to play the translated Der Langrisser. Guess I know what I'll be playing instead of Heritage of War! :)

[PDorr3]

is anyone else thinking of buying 2 copies? one to open and enjoy and one to keep sealed so that years later you have a nice rare (hopefuly) sealed game. I dont think because atlus is telling us it will be rare will make it not rare...if it is truly only one print run how can it NOT be rare (eventualy)? and even if the game is crap look at Rhapsody: A musical adventure for PSX, before its re-print the game sold for big bucks and it was a pretty craptacular rpg (eventhough I kinda enjoyed it, one of the few I guess).

If my best buy gets these in I will buy two thanks to my nice employee discount.

[s1lence]

I pre-ordered two copies a month and a half ago. I'm the only one with a pre-order at the store I went to.

[neogamer]

No but they definitely do a lot of reprints of their games, so I wouldn't be surprised if a game only version was eventually released.

I don't expect a second print of a game like Persona 3, but who knows....I picked up three copies of that game!

I think it will become highly prized in the future!

What other Atlus games do they reprints of? I really wasn't aware of any!

[roushimsx]

What other Atlus games do they reprints of? I really wasn't aware of any!

You don't remember the hubbub from the second print run of Nocturne or when Disgaea went back into print (for like the fourth time)? How about Rhapsody, Cubivore or Pesona 2's additional runs?

[neogamer]

You don't remember the hubbub from the second print run of Nocturne or when Disgaea went back into print (for like the fourth time)? How about Rhapsody, Cubivore or Pesona 2's additional runs?


I wasn't aware, but I thank you for the quick reply. I will do the research on the net to see what I want to buy and I thank you for answering my questions!

I'll still probably buy a couple copies of this game, just to be sure....

[heybtbm]

You don't remember the hubbub from the second print run of Nocturne or when Disgaea went back into print (for like the fourth time)? How about Rhapsody, Cubivore or Pesona 2's additional runs?

FYI:

SMT: Nocturne never had a 2nd print. It was just a B.S. rumor started on CheapAssGamer. This has since been thoroughly exposed as bunk.

The rest you're correct: Rhapsody, Persona 2 and Cubivore were reprinted by Game Quest Direct. Disgaea was reprinted 4 times by Atlus themselves at the request of Nippon Ichi (you can still buy it new at the Atlus.com online store).


Yes, but Atlus has never done anything like that before to my knowledge, have they?

Why would they start now?

You're correct. Atlus has never released two editions of a game...ever. I doubt they would start now. Especially on such a "under the radar" release such as this. When this "Limited Edition" is sold out...that's it.

[jcalder8]

I looked online and couldn't even find a spot to pre-order the LE. I only found listings for the regular edition

[VACRMH]

I looked online and couldn't even find a spot to pre-order the LE. I only found listings for the regular edition

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=281776

[norkusa]

I looked online and couldn't even find a spot to pre-order the LE. I only found listings for the regular edition

Wah?? So there really is going to be a regular edition as well? The only ones I saw were of the LE.

If you're going to pre-order it, buy from Amazon. No tax + free ship.

[heybtbm]

Wah?? So there really is going to be a regular edition as well? The only ones I saw were of the LE.

If you're going to pre-order it, buy from Amazon. No tax + free ship.


No, no, no. There is only one version of this game, the Limited Edition. There isn't a "regular version". There won't be in the future either.

[neogamer]

No, no, no. There is only one version of this game, the Limited Edition. There isn't a "regular version". There won't be in the future either.

All is what I know, and I just learned this an hour ago after some research, is that my local Game Crazy is going to have it for sale on the 18th at $39.99 and there is only one version available!

For $40, it's a steal!

[jcalder8]

Sorry I figured it out now. I was looking at amazon.ca and they don't mention any of the bonus stuff on there.

[Griking]

Yes, but Atlus has never done anything like that before to my knowledge, have they?

Why would they start now?

One thing I love about Atlus and to a lesser extent, SNK, is that their games hold value overtime, due to low print runs. I am by no means saying you can get "rich" off them, but it is definately better(for the collector) than other companies (i.e. Sony, Nintendo, Konami) who keep re-releasing their games!

Actually you mean better for the re-seller. Collector's don't usually sell their games.


is anyone else thinking of buying 2 copies? one to open and enjoy and one to keep sealed so that years later you have a nice rare (hopefuly) sealed game. I dont think because atlus is telling us it will be rare will make it not rare...if it is truly only one print run how can it NOT be rare (eventualy)? and even if the game is crap look at Rhapsody: A musical adventure for PSX, before its re-print the game sold for big bucks and it was a pretty craptacular rpg (eventhough I kinda enjoyed it, one of the few I guess).

Atlus is saying that there will only be one print run but who's to say how many copies will be made in that one run. If they print over a million then I can't see the game being rare no matter what they want to call it.


All is what I know, and I just learned this an hour ago after some research, is that my local Game Crazy is going to have it for sale on the 18th at $39.99 and there is only one version available!


http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=281776

So Gamestop is selling to game for $10 more than GameCrazy? Is Gamestop selling it over the SMRP or is GameCrazy selling it lower?




http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=281776

[VACRMH]

So Gamestop is selling to game for $10 more than GameCrazy? Is Gamestop selling it over the SMRP or is GameCrazy selling it lower?


No idea, but i'll stop by Game Crazy tomorrow to see if I can't get it cheaper ;)

[neogamer]

Actually you mean better for the re-seller. Collector's don't usually sell their games.



Atlus is saying that there will only be one print run but who's to say how many copies will be made in that one run. If they print over a million then I can't see the game being rare no matter what they want to call it.





So Gamestop is selling to game for $10 more than GameCrazy? Is Gamestop selling it over the SMRP or is GameCrazy selling it lower?




http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=281776

Game Crazy informed me of a $39.99 price, when the game is launched. How true it is, time will tell! Trust me, if they can sell it for $49.99, they will!

Second, collectors still care about the value of their games! That is why when I say a game holds value it is important in case the opportunity arises. I invest in games just like stocks. Some go up, some go down, but I am always ahead!

[heybtbm]

I invest in games just like stocks. Some go up, some go down, but I am always ahead!

I've been playing/buying video games since the early 80's, and I could count on one hand how many games that are worth more now than their original retail price. "Investing" in games is silly. Obviously you can do whatever you want, but the whole concept is ridiculous.

[neogamer]

I've been playing/buying video games since the early 80's, and I could count on one hand how many games that are worth more now than their original retail price. "Investing" in games is silly. Obviously you can do whatever you want, but the whole concept is ridiculous.


Wrong again! Your assuming I buy full retail price for my games. Ever hear of bargain bins? Ever hear of the "Greatest Hits" series? Ever collect factory sealed games for profit?

Examples:

I bought the following games all Brand New-these are examples from the Playstation era and were all bought and sold by me. If you happen to need more examples from other eras I can provide those as well!

Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (Greatest Hits version - paid $21.19 with tax) sold for $40 opened and played, but in MINT condition

Silent Hill (Greatest Hits version - paid $21.19 with tax) sold for $60-kept it sealed on eBay

Final Fantasy VII (Greatest Hits version - bought brand new -7 copies!
sold them at $89.95 new on eBay last year-fun digging them out of storage

I have many, many more examples and own a business doing this on the side!

What you are really saying is that you do not know how to "invest" in video games, just like I could not make a profit in comic books, but I know people who do!

[neogamer]

BTW: Game Crazy has updated their pricing for this game! It is $49.99.

I just found out today as the store manager called me because he knew I was interested!

It now matches EB Games, and probably, the rest of the retail world!

[Bojay1997]

Wrong again! Your assuming I buy full retail price for my games. Ever hear of bargain bins? Ever hear of the "Greatest Hits" series? Ever collect factory sealed games for profit?

Examples:

I bought the following games all Brand New-these are examples from the Playstation era and were all bought and sold by me. If you happen to need more examples from other eras I can provide those as well!

Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (Greatest Hits version - paid $21.19 with tax) sold for $40 opened and played, but in MINT condition

Silent Hill (Greatest Hits version - paid $21.19 with tax) sold for $60-kept it sealed on eBay

Final Fantasy VII (Greatest Hits version - bought brand new -7 copies!
sold them at $89.95 new on eBay last year-fun digging them out of storage

I have many, many more examples and own a business doing this on the side!

What you are really saying is that you do not know how to "invest" in video games, just like I could not make a profit in comic books, but I know people who do!

Except that once you factor in your time and effort, Ebay and Paypal fees, storage costs, taxes you have to pay on your profit and everything else that people not in retail always forget about, you really don't end up making much back on your "investment". Certainly not as much as you could make putting money into another more traditional form of investment, especially considering how long you have to hold on to some of these games before they become valuable. Heck, most of us make more just working our regular jobs for a couple of hours than what you're talking about making on the games you listed.

[cyberfluxor]

I can't find a production count, anyone know? I was getting all hyped up until I read a bunch of different reviews and unless it's something that'll be very difficult to find later then I won't bother. I have plenty of other unplayed RPGs that demand attention too.

[cyberfluxor]

Except that once you factor in your time and effort, Ebay and Paypal fees, storage costs, taxes you have to pay on your profit and everything else that people not in retail always forget about, you really don't end up making much back on your "investment". Certainly not as much as you could make putting money into another more traditional form of investment, especially considering how long you have to hold on to some of these games before they become valuable. Heck, most of us make more just working our regular jobs for a couple of hours than what you're talking about making on the games you listed.

You're right, it is a small profit and does take awhile sometimes. The only want reselling is worth it is if there's a quick turn around rate and you got lucky with a rock-bottom price someplace. There really are just better, more efficient ways to make money.

[heybtbm]

Wrong again! Your assuming I buy full retail price for my games. Ever hear of bargain bins? Ever hear of the "Greatest Hits" series? Ever collect factory sealed games for profit?

Examples:

I bought the following games all Brand New-these are examples from the Playstation era and were all bought and sold by me. If you happen to need more examples from other eras I can provide those as well!

Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (Greatest Hits version - paid $21.19 with tax) sold for $40 opened and played, but in MINT condition

Silent Hill (Greatest Hits version - paid $21.19 with tax) sold for $60-kept it sealed on eBay

Final Fantasy VII (Greatest Hits version - bought brand new -7 copies!
sold them at $89.95 new on eBay last year-fun digging them out of storage

I have many, many more examples and own a business doing this on the side!

What you are really saying is that you do not know how to "invest" in video games, just like I could not make a profit in comic books, but I know people who do!

Changing the definition of a word to fit your "point" doesn't fly here. Flipping games on ebay and "investing" are two totally diffferent things. We all know about ebay and how it works. You're not telling us anything new.

BTW:The games you mentioned above are some of the ONLY examples of games that sell for more than you could originally buy them for. Add Suikoden II, Pokemon Box and Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and you probably have the entire list.

(Very important point...listen up) For every game you manage to flip on ebay for a profit, you buy 100 games that LOOSE value over time. Unless you're physic.

[neogamer]

Except that once you factor in your time and effort, Ebay and Paypal fees, storage costs, taxes you have to pay on your profit and everything else that people not in retail always forget about, you really don't end up making much back on your "investment". Certainly not as much as you could make putting money into another more traditional form of investment, especially considering how long you have to hold on to some of these games before they become valuable. Heck, most of us make more just working our regular jobs for a couple of hours than what you're talking about making on the games you listed.

Wrong again!

I work in finance and am ten months away from an MBA!

I have ran the numbers and I assure you, I do great. My profit margins are sometimes in the high hundreds.

Most traditional investments, only pay around 5-7% with low risk.

Historically, the stock market only has provided a yearly return of 10%!

[TurboGenesis]

Wrong again! Your assuming I buy full retail price for my games. Ever hear of bargain bins? Ever hear of the "Greatest Hits" series? Ever collect factory sealed games for profit?

Examples:

I bought the following games all Brand New-these are examples from the Playstation era and were all bought and sold by me. If you happen to need more examples from other eras I can provide those as well!

Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (Greatest Hits version - paid $21.19 with tax) sold for $40 opened and played, but in MINT condition

Silent Hill (Greatest Hits version - paid $21.19 with tax) sold for $60-kept it sealed on eBay

Final Fantasy VII (Greatest Hits version - bought brand new -7 copies!
sold them at $89.95 new on eBay last year-fun digging them out of storage

I have many, many more examples and own a business doing this on the side!

What you are really saying is that you do not know how to "invest" in video games, just like I could not make a profit in comic books, but I know people who do!

I think that you are feel more at home here at:

Sealed Game Collectors (http://sealedgameheaven.forumieren.com/)

These folks are more involved with collecting things rather than Playing video games

They are more embrace you there than folks here who are video game Players

[neogamer]

Wrong again!

I work in finance and am ten months away from an MBA!

I have ran the numbers and I assure you, I do great. My profit margins are sometimes in the high hundreds.

Most traditional investments, only pay around 5-7% with low risk.

Historically, the stock market only has provided a yearly return of 10%!

You are however, right about the time involved. It does take a love of the hobby and a true desire to take the time to do it. Most people with families cannot do it, so it is sad.

Someone brought up something about the difference between "flipping" and "investing" and yes, I know the difference. All I am saying is there are a lot of great deals out there if you know what you are doing!

Another thing is that when I am not "flipping" (i.e. buying at yard sales, flea markets, etc.) for a quick buck, I only buy new. So when I invest in a game and sell it five years later, I expect to at least triple my money.

Just to show you guys how far off some of your comments are:

When I list something on eBay, the profit in the shipping and handling fees pay for the ebay and Paypal fees and I still have some of the lowest fees on eBay (sad but true)!

Another thing: Storage! I use the same storage facility that I use to store my personal game collection, so now I get a tax write off because it is a legitimate expense!

Taxes: Every hear of capital gains? If you make a lot of money in the stock market within a year, you are hit with capital gains. Running an ebay business, you pay taxes according to your income, or by way of a corporation that you control-you also get the benefits of running a corporation and if you happen to incure losses (with an S corporation) you can take the loss on your personal income tax form)

I am sorry, but some of your ideas and excuses are flawed!

[neogamer]

I think that you are feel more at home here at:

Sealed Game Collectors (http://sealedgameheaven.forumieren.com/)

These folks are more involved with collecting things rather than Playing video games

They are more embrace you there than folks here who are video game Players


Isn't that in German??

Come on, give me a break! I do play as well!

Some on here has got to find the information and ideas I bring to the table valuable. I enjoy hearing everyone's ideas whether I agree with them or not! That's how we learn and grow as human beings!

[neogamer]

I think that you are feel more at home here at:

Sealed Game Collectors (http://sealedgameheaven.forumieren.com/)

These folks are more involved with collecting things rather than Playing video games

They are more embrace you there than folks here who are video game Players

Just one more comment on this:

You are aware we are on a site that happens to publish a guide on collecting video games?

...yet your telling me to leave?

Isn't that ironic?

[Jimmy Yakapucci]

I have a friend at work who used to collect/invest in almost everything. His father was even worse. Since he was retired he would make his nightly rounds of all the different stores to see what new shipments had come in. I told him to be nice to me or I would crush his investments by buying what he was investing in. Any time I try to "invest" in anything, the value would go through the floor. Therefore, I have tried to focus on collecting rather than investing. Although I will try to flip the occasional game to help fund my hobby.

JY

[neogamer]

I have a friend at work who used to collect/invest in almost everything. His father was even worse. Since he was retired he would make his nightly rounds of all the different stores to see what new shipments had come in. I told him to be nice to me or I would crush his investments by buying what he was investing in. Any time I try to "invest" in anything, the value would go through the floor. Therefore, I have tried to focus on collecting rather than investing. Although I will try to flip the occasional game to help fund my hobby.

JY

May I recommend that we open up a new thread if anyone here wants to continue to discuss collecting/investing. It's up to you guys.

This is technically a Growlanser thread!

[heybtbm]

May I recommend that we open up a new thread if anyone here wants to continue to discuss collecting/investing. It's up to you guys.

This is technically a Growlanser thread!

You're right. Let's talk Growlanser.

It's coming out Wednesday. Let's hope Gamestop doesn't try to slip me a display copy (like they tried with Persona 3 last month). I had paid for the game in full months previous, so it wasn't like I walked in the day of release and expected a new copy. They were "supposed" to hold the game...but I've discussed this whole thing in the Persona 3 topic, so I'll digress. They better not pull it again with Growlanser.

[VACRMH]

Damn did this thread get derailed.

Here's a question. From what i've heard and seen, the graphics are pretty subpar, but is everything else ok? My eyes can bleed as long as it plays decent.

[Wolfrider31]

Damn did this thread get derailed.

Here's a question. From what i've heard and seen, the graphics are pretty subpar, but is everything else ok? My eyes can bleed as long as it plays decent.

I was thinking the same thing. :P

Actually from what I've read, the game is pretty bad. Though I guess it depends if you're a diehard of the genre or not. My tolerance for crap games is pretty high, and I'll probably end up getting it just for the extras.

I'm such a whore.

[neogamer]

I was thinking the same thing. :P

Actually from what I've read, the game is pretty bad. Though I guess it depends if you're a diehard of the genre or not. My tolerance for crap games is pretty high, and I'll probably end up getting it just for the extras.

I'm such a whore.


Same here! I'll buy it for the extras!

I loved Persona 3 (It's a great game though), I just don't have time to play it, but at least it came with a cool art book!

Anyway, how was the first Growlanser???

[FantasiaWHT]

Can anybody explain the gameplay? I read a review and came out of it no less informed... they said the battles were more like an action RPG? I know the first two in Generations were a quasi-real time strategy (but with the limited scope of your standard fantasy TBS, and a pace slow enough that it almost is a TBS), but this seemed to sound different...

[fuchikoma]

If you plan on picking this up, I suggest a brick & mortar retailer so you can inspect the box. The cardboard is really thin and the contents aren't that tightly packed. My local GS only received enough to cover their preorders and both copies had creases down the left spine.

Decent artbook. They translated some of Urushihara's comments on the character style development which is nice but very thin covers.

[neogamer]

If you plan on picking this up, I suggest a brick & mortar retailer so you can inspect the box. The cardboard is really thin and the contents aren't that tightly packed. My local GS only received enough to cover their preorders and both copies had creases down the left spine.

Decent artbook. They translated some of Urushihara's comments on the character style development which is nice but very thin covers.

Thanks for this info! As a collector, I appreciate it!

[Nate Nanjo]

If you plan on picking this up, I suggest a brick & mortar retailer so you can inspect the box. The cardboard is really thin and the contents aren't that tightly packed. My local GS only received enough to cover their preorders and both copies had creases down the left spine.

Decent artbook. They translated some of Urushihara's comments on the character style development which is nice but very thin covers.

Mine had a small crease, only noticeable when you hold it. Doesn't bother me since I'll probably never get rid of it.

I probably won't play the game until I beat Persona 3.

[heybtbm]

I probably won't play the game until I beat Persona 3.

I'm in the same boat. I opened up my Growlanser box last night, looked at the contents for a few minutes then put the game on the shelf (unopened) where it will sit until I finish about 10 more PS2 RPG's.

[s1lence]

I picked my copy up, the contents seriously remind me of a working designs package.

[cyberfluxor]

Feedback anyone? I'm currious as to how it plays and how interesting it really is. The negative reviews are still holding me back but if others that actually spent the monies and time into it said it's worth it, I'm all about picking it up.