Does anyone else wait for a system to die off before getting into it? (Gamecube)

[smokehouse]

I’ve been picking up the random GC title here and there for some time now. I even got my hands on a component cable. As for my GameCube, I’ve actually owned one for years. I received from my wife it for my birthday years ago.

I got a copy of Windwaker, Sonic Collection 4-Swords, Wario Ware, Mega Man Collection, Mega Man X collection, the two Midway titles, Resident Evil 4 and others that have sat on the shelf unplayed for a while now. As a matter of fact, one of the few GC games I’ve actually played at length was Paper Mario 2…which I loved.

Yesterday I finally got around to playing some of these titles.

The thing is that I have some goofy prejudice against current consoles and games. If it’s new I won’t play it…not sure why either.

Once a console “dies” I normally come storming in and picking up many titles.

Anyone else do this? I’ve done the same thing with the PS2 just recently picking up Dragon Warrior VIII and Metal Gear Solid 3, I can't buy somthign when it's new from some reason...



On a side note, I’m sorry to see the GC go, it was a neat little system with a ton of unrealized potential and over component…it’s one of the best looking consoles of the last generation…

[Superman]

I like when systems retire because that is when things go on sale and get more into my price range.

[smokehouse]

I like when systems retire because that is when things go on sale and get more into my price range.

I was hoping that would be true with the GC but it seems like things have dried up overnight…I really wanted a Wave Bird but after waiting for them to go on clearance…I can’t seem to find them anywhere.

I also had a hard time getting Resident Evil 4…

[heybtbm]

I really wanted a Wave Bird but after waiting for them to go on clearance…I can’t seem to find them anywhere.

You can always buy a set on ebay for $100 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250167872018)(?!)

Insanity.

[koster]

It was much easier to pick up cheap Gamecube games and accessories before the release of the Nintendo Wii. Now it seems that most used videogame stores (I'm looking at you, Gamestop :-/) have jacked up prices on most everything Gamecube that can be used with a Nintendo Wii.

[smokehouse]

You can always buy a set on ebay for $100 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250167872018)(?!)

Insanity.

Can you believe that? How absurd…too bad, I really wanted to get one on clearance…

[GhostDog]

You need to edit your title so it says "wait," not "what." Anyway, I'm the same as you. I just don't feel the need to run out and buy the newest things. That's just not me. I don't play games that often so buying an expensive system and games wouldn't be smart. That's why I'm more comfortable in buying older systems and games. Just buying all of these games you've always wanted to play at a fraction of the price that they were new really excites me as a gamer.

Here's a post I made from another topic:

I am a late adopter. The newest system I own is a Gamecube which I bought about 2 weeks ago but I still don't have any games for it. Before that the newest system I had was a Dreamcast which I bought back in 2002. I then bought Shenmue, Jet Grind Radio and other solid titles and I was in gaming heaven. So for about 5 1/2 years the newest system I owned was a Dreamcast.

I just bought games for my older systems and in the meantime picked up some systems I didn't have before like an SNES and Saturn and a bunch of games. I have also been thinking about picking up a N64 since I already own some great titles for it. I delayed my actions for some time in buying a N64 since I was looking for a transparent colored one with an expansion pack. I don't need the latest stuff to enjoy gaming. I mean, we're getting hard-ons by all of these classic collections which proves that we too don't need the latest and greatest hardware and games.

I also don't have a PS2 yet but with the announcement of Yakuza 2 in 2008, I don't have an excuse not to own one. I remember back in the summer of 2006 I was setting my sights on a slim PS2 because I was excited about Yakuza but I never got one. I still can't believe there hasn't been a price drop yet. It was $129.99 back in 2006 and in late-2007 it's still the same price.

It's clear that the PS2 is still sellling well that there's no need for a price drop from a business point of view. I waited this damn long so I'm waiting for a price drop or at least until they release a slim white PS2 that doesn't come with some karaoke game and mic like they're planning on releasing. I can always go the used option route and get a used one for like $70. Decisions, decisions.

[smokehouse]

You need to edit your title so it says "wait," not "what."

Whoops...changed...thanks.



The PS2 was the last "day of release" system I bought and I regretted it (too much $$, too little games). Ever since then I have waited until the good games come out and pick them up after they've aged a bit.

[bangtango]

I also don't have a PS2 yet but with the announcement of Yakuza 2 in 2008, I don't have an excuse not to own one. I remember back in the summer of 2006 I was setting my sights on a slim PS2 because I was excited about Yakuza but I never got one. I still can't believe there hasn't been a price drop yet. It was $129.99 back in 2006 and in late-2007 it's still the same price.

It's clear that the PS2 is still sellling well that there's no need for a price drop from a business point of view. I waited this damn long so I'm waiting for a price drop or at least until they release a slim white PS2 that doesn't come with some karaoke game and mic like they're planning on releasing. I can always go the used option route and get a used one for like $70. Decisions, decisions.

You may get that PS2 price drop yet. There is a thread somewhere around here on this forum talking about how the PS2 is expected to drop to $99 somewhere in the near future.

I had pretty much the same problem you did. I sat on my hands for a year while the PS2 remained at the same price (new). Realizing there was no price drop coming up, I got frustrated and had to get a PS2. I already had some games that I had picked up in my travels here and there, so I needed a system. I managed to buy one used for about $80. Initially I was worried about buying a used unit, since I didn't know if it might have some problems, etc. but the one I bought has been dependable so it turned out ok.

[ubersaurus]

Methinks all that gamecube backwards compatibility with the much more popular wii has really paid off for those used item dealers :P

I can't say I ever get into a system much post death unless it was from the mid 90s or older-when I couldn't afford to follow it in life.

[neogamer]

You may get that PS2 price drop yet. There is a thread somewhere around here on this forum talking about how the PS2 is expected to drop to $99 somewhere in the near future.

I had pretty much the same problem you did. I sat on my hands for a year while the PS2 remained at the same price (new). Realizing there was no price drop coming up, I got frustrated and had to get a PS2. I already had some games that I had picked up in my travels here and there, so I needed a system. I managed to buy one used for about $80. Initially I was worried about buying a used unit, since I didn't know if it might have some problems, etc. but the one I bought has been dependable so it turned out ok.

I posted that based on "reliable" info. The PS2 should drop to $99 by March at the latest. We will have to see if the info I have is reliable or not, but I will say that many financial companies use this same info...can't say anything else...

[diskoboy]

I didn't start getting interested in the Sega Saturn until a while after the Dreamcast was killed

[digitalpress]

I always wait to go full throttle but I watch every current gen system carefully for those "hard to find later" titles, special editions, etc. I learned a long time ago that it's cheaper to wait but there are some pieces you have to snatch while they're young.

[neogamer]

Financially speaking it is generally better. Other times, though, as in the case of buying certain GameCube games, it's better to buy them when you can.

I only buy new, so I can't wait for a system to die off to start collecting games for it. That's my dilema though...

if you buy used and are happy doing so, you will generally do better in the long run.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

Yeah... I just recently bought a gamecube, and pick up games for it when I find them. I haven't been buying lots of xbox games until recently, but they're so cheap now it's hard to resist. It is way more affordable to buy them when the system starts to die off. I still don't have a PS2 yet, but maybe if I can find one at a good price I'll pick it up. At current prices I won't be collecting or buying any current gen systems for a while.

[smokehouse]

Financially speaking it is generally better. Other times, though, as in the case of buying certain GameCube games, it's better to buy them when you can.

I only buy new, so I can't wait for a system to die off to start collecting games for it. That's my dilema though...

if you buy used and are happy doing so, you will generally do better in the long run.

Yeah, that’s my problem. I mostly buy new. Sometimes I land up screwing myself by waiting too long. Current example, I currently need a Playstation 2 but reuse to pay $120+ for a 7 year old game system. I’m waiting for the magic $99 to hit but I’ll have to strike fast when it does…it probably won’t be long after that when the PS2’s lifeline is finally cut.

[esquire]

I did this for the original Xbox. Between the B2G1 Free Used at Gamestop, the Gamerush 50% sale and the occasional TRU sale, I've managed to snag over 300 games in short period of time.

I was able to find a complete used Steel Battalion at Gamestop for $50, less my 10% discount card plus as part of the B2G1 deal. I've also been able to find almost all of the Special/Limited/Collector's editions either new on eBay or used at Gamestop. The only two I don't have are Driver Parallel Lines and Need For Speed Black (damn you Circuit City for having 12 copies of this game and still selling it for $59.99!!)

I am waiting for the next big sales to buy the majority of the harder to find games I still need. I figure Gamestop, EB and Game Crazy will be dumping these soon as it seems there is so many used Xbox games out there.

[Steve W]

I never really got into the Xbox too much. I got mine as a birthday gift in 2002, but since I had a GameCube, I tended to buy games for that. Then I got a PS2, and barely used the Xbox at all. I loaned it out to my brother last year when he was home on sick leave and wanted something to play. Then, I started noticing a store or two putting fairly cheap prices on Xbox games right after the 360 came out. Then, around January, it seemed like most of the local stores (Fry's Electronics for the win!) started putting crazy cheap prices on Xbox stuff. I hit all the local Fry's and left with piles of games around $5 each. Since the beginning of the year, I've probably bought around a hundred games for that monstrously large machine. I can't help myself, when I go into a game store and find $2.99 used titles.

Basically, what I'm saying is, yes. I understand how you can get into a system once it's pretty much dead. I haven't really bought any GameCube stuff in a while, though. All the older, more fun stuff has sold off shelves around here, and there's nothing being marked down anymore other than a million children's cartoon games.

[otaku]

nope I like to adopt early for one sure alot of games can be had cheap when a system dies (as can the hardware) but quite often some of those games jump in price to. If anything I've been buying older systems I never got the chance to play years back (like saturn etc) I waited for the dc to die if you will and regret it if I had helped support the system it would have been better early adopters are important and I like to be one :)

[sabre2922]

This is the first time in my over 25 years of gaming that I havent "upgraded" to the new/next generation of game systems within the first 6 months of their respective releases as I still only buy/collect/play PS2 games at the moment. (also a few PC games but this is a thread for consoles)

Its very difficult for me to justify shelling out OVER $400.00 for a new game console that just doesnt have ANY games that I care to play that and the fact that around 95% of the current 360 and PS3 games are in my opinion nothing more than slightly shineyerrr versions of what I already have on the Playstation2.

There are just sooo many games I have yet to pickup/collect and play for the ol PS2 and of course a limited amount of $$$ for my gaming needs.

I came very close to picking up a Wii upon the release of Metroid Prime 3 but then I decided to pick up a few PS2 games that I really wanted to play like Tomb Raider Anniversary (wich actually is a GREAT GAME) and Hitman Blood Money and very quickly lost interest in spending well over $300.00 for not only the Wii but MP3 also.

I was going to start collecting Gamecube games as well but the well has basically dried up on ANYTHING GC in my area the stores just arent stocking anything for the sytem anymore so I didnt bother to pick up a cheap Gamecube either and that basically solidified my decision to keep collecting for the PS2 until a PS3 price drop or I give in and pick up a Wii.

[cyberfluxor]

I bought my Atari 5200 23 years after its first death blow so I guess I'm a late adaptor. Well, I did buy a DSlite a few months after its release because I discovered the light blue model wasn't comming state side and getting an import was $200 so I decided to just get a white one. Good decision though because I leach off others wifi games at conventions. :)

I received a GameCube in 2004 as a Chrismas gift, I really wanted the Platinum edition and it sucks I didn't get any of the Zelda pack-ins (something I really wish I got but oh well). I believe that's the fastest adaption I've had with a console. I bought my PS2 last fall when the price dropped and the silver slim was released. The XBox is still on my list but I might end up holding out until next year, just don't have the space for another console right now let along another system spot on the shelf.


Its very difficult for me to justify shelling out OVER $400.00 for a new game console that just doesnt have ANY games that I care to play that and the fact that around 95% of the current 360 and PS3 games are in my opinion nothing more than slightly shineyerrr versions of what I already have on the Playstation2.

Dude, that's like 400 records instead of a cutting edge in your face console. Or 300-400 more classic/retro games to my collection to play. OR a few nice high ticket collectors pieces to sit on the shelf and get played once in a blue moon (don't want to break/scratch a $100 game now do we?).

[Steve W]

The XBox is still on my list but I might end up holding out until next year, just don't have the space for another console right now let along another system spot on the shelf.
Well, you might keep your eye out for cheap games. The market's hit bottom for Xbox games, and the collector's market hasn't quite kicked in yet, so now's the perfect time to stock up. You don't want to end up like I did, putting off buying Dreamcast games until after the games were all gone from even used stores, and the collector's market had already jacked up the price on a lot of them. Right now, the iron is hot. Best time to strike. I'm predicting at least another year before the PS2 market goes the same way, maybe more.

[cyberfluxor]

Well, you might keep your eye out for cheap games. The market's hit bottom for Xbox games, and the collector's market hasn't quite kicked in yet, so now's the perfect time to stock up. You don't want to end up like I did, putting off buying Dreamcast games until after the games were all gone from even used stores, and the collector's market had already jacked up the price on a lot of them. Right now, the iron is hot. Best time to strike. I'm predicting at least another year before the PS2 market goes the same way, maybe more.

I do look through cheap XBox games at certain stores and 99% of the games are sports, something I'm not about to buy. Every now and then I find an Unreal for $3 or Halo 2 for $10 but generally it's just a sea of sports. LOL

I hit the Dreamcast stuff when GameStop began putting their games and accessories on sale. I didn't get the best selection but today I get lucky every now and then and find DC games for cheaper now than GS ever did even at their 75% reduced rates. It really makes me sad that I actually started out buying so many games from them in high school. :(

[ReaXan]

I feel everyone on what they are saying.I went into gamestop recently and saw the Gamecube for 40 bucks and thought about possibly getting it again after selling off mine on Ebay in Christmas of 06.I then remember that I had basically played all the good games that were out their for it and their selection was crap anyways. I still amazes me though that the PS2 refuses to die.I guess its still like a home media center for the general populous since it plays DVD's/CD's and the game selection is wider and in some cases cheaper than what the XBox/Gamecube had to offer overall.The PS2 is like the NES of our generation on its refusal to die.

I have an 360 that I got recently trading an extra computer I had.I noticed the 360 selection is good,but not on par with the older PS2,but still hella better than PS3 even at this point.I found a few games such as Juiced2,Carbon,Gears of War that are pretty damn fun.I just dont wanna haul out alot of money on the 360.I am thinking of picking up some XBOX games to tide me over till GTA4 and RE5

[Bluteg]

Yeah I just bought a 3DO to play FMV games. The quality is SO much better than blu-ray.

[gum_drops]

Yeah I just bought a 3DO to play FMV games. The quality is SO much better than blu-ray.

Yea same here. I cant stand playing PS3 games on my 1080i screen.

I had to get out the CD-i with built in mpeg-1 card. You just can't beat the visual clarity of playing creature shock stretched to fit a widescreen LCD.

[Gentlegamer]

I came late to the past generation in 2005, after about a decade of not keeping up with the current video game environment. I've found that it is almost an ideal situation, because the libraries of systems are fully developed, all the peripherals are out, and prices are generally low, whether new or used.

I definitely understand the OP's view and I think I generally share it. I have held off joining the current generation, though the Xbox and Wii are tempting me. That said, I will hold off on the Xbox until the hardware reliability is improved, and the Wii until the software library becomes more robust, and possibly until the console is available in black.

[Icarus Moonsight]

I'm doing it now with Xbox stuff. Found most the Sega releases I wanted, Ninja Gaiden Black and the Mad Catz blaster for HotD 3. Just need to find Crazy Taxi 3 and pick up a cheap brute box and I'm set. :)

I think everyone into gaming does this on some level. My wife used to get irritated when I bought games and other stuff for systems I don't own. I explained to her that it's mainly to save me the bother hunting down later and/or paying eBay prices down the road. I don't think she fully understands the "why's" but, she doesn't bring it up anymore, at least recently anyway.

[G-Boobie]

Yeah, I have this diagnosed condition where I suddenly acquire new technology, credit card bills, and eventual heartache and additional expenditures. I think it's called 'early adopter syndrome', also known as 'stupid dumb consumer whore'.

So no. I usually pick systems up pretty early in their life cycles. I really should stop that, though, considering I've gone through 3 360s, and now get to experience the joy of replacing my sixaxis controllers with Dualshock 3's.

An exception, oddly, was my Gamecube, which I picked up used specifically to play the Metal Gear Solid remake on the day of it's release. I fell victim to marketing and anti-hype, the whole Nintendo 64 backlash thing where I didn't trust Nintendo to do anything right, so I had avoided the Gamecube until then.

Turns out I was an idiot there too, since the MGS was decent, but Wind Waker was superb. Also Smash Brothers, Pikmin, Super Mario Sunshine, the Ikaruga port, Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime, etc. etc. etc... I honestly think that in the next few years, the Gamecube will join the likes of Saturn, Dreamcast, SNES and PSOne as a hardcore system of choice.

Maybe that's a good reason for your 'waiting for a console to die' thing; an orgy of good, cheap games available right from the get go.

[DOL_001]

I got an Xbox just last year since it was a good deal ($30). The games are so cheap that I acquired over 50 and that's the best part about getting into last-gen systems.

I will get a 360 by the end of the year though, it would be too long of a wait for all of those good games.

[BydoEmpire]

Usually not. I didn't get a Saturn until it was "dead," however. And I doubt I'll get a PS3 for a long, long time. Everything else "post crash" I picked up while the system was still thriving. I don't have a Jag, but probably will some day. Pre-crash consoles don't count since I was too young to really buy myself in the day.

[GhostDog]

I got an Xbox just last year since it was a good deal ($30). The games are so cheap that I acquired over 50 and that's the best part about getting into last-gen systems.

I will get a 360 by the end of the year though, it would be too long of a wait for all of those good games.

Where did you get an XBox for $30!? I'd love to catch up on all of the games I missed out on. I would get all of those wonderful SEGA titles!

I got my Gamecube for $30 from Gamestop when they had the $10 off coupon floating around online. Now that I have a Gamecube just sitting here in my closet, there aren't a whole lot of cheap games that I can get. Gamecube game titles seemed to rise a bit because of the Wii's backwards compatibility. The only games that are really cheap are Viewtiful Joe 1 and 2 and Wave Race. The others are at the $10 range and higher. The thing I hate about Gamestop is they have these yellow used stickers that are on the inside of the case spine. I would have totally picked up a couple of games if it wasn't for that.

[Push Upstairs]

I hit the sweet spot (for me) when it came to the XBOX. I got a Forza system for Xmas of 2005 and was able to enjoy purchasing a few new games for the system in 2006.

2007 was the year of Buy 2 get 1 free at Gamestop and that doubled/tripled my game collection in a matter of weeks.

[G-Boobie]

I was hoping that would be true with the GC but it seems like things have dried up overnight…I really wanted a Wave Bird but after waiting for them to go on clearance…I can’t seem to find them anywhere.

I also had a hard time getting Resident Evil 4…

As for the Wavebirds, check out Amazon, assuming you don't mind used. They have six or seven used units for thirty or forty bucks each.

As for RE 4 on the cube, the Best Buys in west Michigan here are chock full of them. They're 'Players Choice', and the usual twenty bucks.

As an side, has anyone else noticed that Gamestop and Ebay are starting to artificially inflate the price on a lot of stuff beyond what's acceptable? Like the RE games on Gamecube, or Raiden III and Gradius V on PS2?

[Dark_Sol]

I don't even have a PS2 for that reason :P

[neogamer]

As for the Wavebirds, check out Amazon, assuming you don't mind used. They have six or seven used units for thirty or forty bucks each.

As for RE 4 on the cube, the Best Buys in west Michigan here are chock full of them. They're 'Players Choice', and the usual twenty bucks.

As an side, has anyone else noticed that Gamestop and Ebay are starting to artificially inflate the price on a lot of stuff beyond what's acceptable? Like the RE games on Gamecube, or Raiden III and Gradius V on PS2?


Go to Game Crazy if you are looking for NEW Cube games. Toys R Us is good as well, provided they still have the game you want in stock.

My local Game Crazy has the following NEW GameCube games in stock, all at great prices:

Mario Kart $29.99
Mario Strikers $29.99
Mario Baseball $29.99
Super Smash Bros. Melee $29.99
Resident Evil 4 $19.99
Zelda Twilight Princess $49.99
Killer 7 $14.99

many more behind the counter, all new!

[Barbarianoutkast85]

Yes I do because its cheaper, I just bought my first xbox about a month ago.

[200609]

I generally pick up systems well into their life. I got a PSX about 2 years before the PS2 came out, and I just got a PS2 last year. About six months prior to that I got a GC, but that was a poor decision on my part, as I barely played it. My GC may have gotten 50 hours into it in the time I've owned it. My PS2 has gotten thousands. I did recently pick up an NDS though! I've been enjoying Brain Age 2, and Mario Kart :) And hopefully Dementium will be worth the $30. Have to wait and see.

Wasn't there a time when the PSX was going for $30? Or is my memory faulty? I was actually waiting for the XBox to go down to $30 before I got one, haha, I'm naive I guess. As for the current gen, I just did my taxes for 2006, so maybe I'll use my refund for a 360, but then, it seems that 2 years into its life, it's still suffering from poor reliability. So I may just hold out for another year or two.

[c0ldb33r]

Getting a wavebird is tough nowadays because everyone that's using a Wii is using a cube. I've got one but I'm waiting to find another one used.

[josekortez]

The GameCube is certainly one of those systems with a lot of underappreciated games.

I've noticed that some of the ports on the system are even cheaper than the Xbox games depending on the game. For instance, Metal Arms for the Cube is $4 used at Gamestop while the Xbox version is $8 used. I'm not sure why this is, but it was enough to make me want to pick the game up. Perhaps it's because Teen and Mature titles never really sold well on the Cube when they were new and they're probably selling even worse now used since teenagers and adults have pretty much given up on it. Games like Bratz, Disney titles, Nickelodeon cartoons such as Spongebob, Sonic and the Ninja Turtles seem to hold their Gamestop values for the most part, though.

The Nintendo titles will always be expensive due to demand, but the third-party games seem to be dropping like a rock, so even though I bought a Cube when it launched, I'm certainly enjoying it more now than I did when I first bought it. So, I kind of feel like a late adopter...

[DaBargainHunta]

I do buy systems when they're new-ish, but I love when they begin to die off because I can really stock up on games for dirt cheap.

GameCube, though - as people have pointed out - is a pain to collect for now. It's hard to find used games, and the ones that are available tend to be overpriced. It's definitely because of the Wii. Even though I own a Cube, buying a Wii absolutely rekindled my interest in the earlier system. With that said, I managed to grab Geist, XGRA, and Odama for $10 each recently. Those may not be fantastic prices, but they're still pretty good (for Canada anyway).

BTW, for the people waiting for the PS2 to drop from $120 to $99, just buy it already! Do you really think it was worth not having a system for a year or more just so you could save twenty bucks? Come on now!

[thetoxicone]

I haven't been buying lots of xbox games until recently, but they're so cheap now it's hard to resist. It is way more affordable to buy them when the system starts to die off.

Couldn't explain my situation better, I should take a picture of my backlog of sealed xbox titles from clearance buying (probably 30 maybe a few more or less) of which I don't think I paid more than $5 for any of them and most were of the $1.99 variety. The only one I can think of that I paid more than $5 for was Street Fighter Anniversary Collection but I bought 3 at 7.99 and sold 2 of them for roughly $30 each.

[Mayhem]

GameCube, though - as people have pointed out - is a pain to collect for now.

Yeah... rather "glad" I started 3 years ago or so, and just gradually grabbing everything I needed (mostly in used condition) each time I visited the US...

[c0ldb33r]

I didn't get a Genesis or Dreamcast until after they were dead. For the Genesis, it was on its way out, not completely dead, which meant I could still find a new clearance Sega CD and 32X, but games by that time were dirt cheap.

I didn't get a Dreamcast until it was dead. Of course, I mean as dead as that system gets, it's amazing how long that sucker was supported by SHMUPS. I managed to get a Dreamcast, 4 controllers, an ASSLOAD of VMUs, two guns, VGA adapter and a bunch of extra accessories, along with about 50 games (none sports) for $100.00. This is totally the way to build a collection :D

[TheDomesticInstitution]

Couldn't explain my situation better, I should take a picture of my backlog of sealed xbox titles from clearance buying (probably 30 maybe a few more or less) of which I don't think I paid more than $5 for any of them and most were of the $1.99 variety. The only one I can think of that I paid more than $5 for was Street Fighter Anniversary Collection but I bought 3 at 7.99 and sold 2 of them for roughly $30 each.

My limit on purchase price has been about $15 or $20 (for as long as I've owned it). Mostly I like to stay below $10... but I have to hand it to you, you've found some great deals. I wish I could have been so lucky. Oh well, I'm at about 80 right now, and still am on the lookout. There are so many good games for the system.