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[Frankie_Says_Relax]

My actions detailed in this thread made a lot of people angry.

That was obviously never my intention (my actions were simply admittedly novice ignorace, NOT calculatedly malicious ones) but nothing I could do to defend myself did anything to change that.

This thread was totally dead for about two weeks, and I figured people would have to good sense to let it continue to die ... but it's not safe to assume anything on the internet.

If a mod comes across this thread, and people are continuing to bump it, just for an opportunity to say something nasty ... why not just lock it and let it die.

Put it out of it's misery so people can move on with their lives.

[Videogamerdaryll]

Nice!!!!

[otaku]

whee! Very nice. Soon as I move out on my own first thing I'm gonna do (besides have tons of women over all the time!) is get a cab or two

[DogP]

Wait... you painted plain white over that nice Dig Dug sideart??? And why would you do that to a classic that's a horrible MAME candidate when you could have sold that and gotten a generic cab that would have been MUCH better (larger control panel area, horizontal 25" monitor, etc)?

I don't mean to hate on people, but WHY??? It looked so good as an original Dig Dug, and now it has plain white sides, what looks like a paper marquee, and a control panel just strapped to the front with some pieces of metal? How do you even play Street Fighter Alpha 3 on a vertical monitor... it'd be like playing on a 13" monitor.

DogP

[Gentlegamer]

Are you using a frontend for MAME?

[Pantechnicon]

I've got to second DogP here, albeit a little more calmly. I can not understand why you decided to paint over the sides like that. Everything other modification you made can easily be un-done except for that. Granted, it's your cab to do with what you wish, but when side art is gone, then that means forever - one less classic cab in the world. It's rather depressing to contemplate.

I'm also curious why you chose to stick with a vertical monitor orientation instead of switching it to horizontal? Seems like an odd choice especially in light of your confessed interest in laserdisc games. A horizontal monitor would be a more appropriate orientation for those types of games (cf - XYXZYZ's recently completed shmup MAME cab). This is more of a personal preference, I supppose, but that picture of your cab running Space Ace just looks weird to me.

I'm sorry if it seems like I'm trying to sap the enjoyment out of your finished project here because I'm not. I've built seven MAME conversion cabs in the last six years. You learn something new every time. So go ahead and be proud of what you've done here, but take to heart some new lessons for the next one, should there be a next one.

[CosmicMonkey]

My eyes are burning.

Why remove the original CP and replace it with an X Arcade joystick...thing? You could have sorted out a proper CP with nice lovely Sanwa sticks and buttons. And why paint over the original art and replace the marquee with that awful one? Although the (incredibly tiny) monitor is in the correct position for some shooting love, but that's about it.

I'm sure someone out there would have been more than happy to take an original Dig Dug cabinet and restore it to full working order.

Sorry, but I'm fed up with seeing original cabs being turned into awful MAME atrocities.

[FrizzleFried]

I just had to register to reply to this thred.

WHAT IN THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING? First and foremost, you DO realize that MAME is about PRESERVATION and the vast majority of MAME enthusiasts look down on asshats destroying classic arcade cabinets to MAME it...RIGHT?

It would have cost less than that ipac/xarcade to REPLACE the friggin' Dig Dug PCB so don't try to BS and say it was too expensive...

Lets talk about what is wrong with this cabinet...

(A) You killed a classic. You pulled the ultimate asshat move and killed a Dig Dug. Only a doushe of the highest order would do that. For that you deserve to be kicked in the nuts over and over again for at least a week.

(B) You killed a classic BADLY. Only an real douche would paint over perfectly good Dig Dug artwork only to mention possibly adding sideart in the future.

(C) You pulled a newb/lazy move by hacking that X-Arcade (badly) in to that cabinet. It looks like dog piss on a tire. WTF is with those metal brackets? That was an engineering feat line none other.

(D) Did I mention you KILLED A DIG DUG to turn it to shit?

(E) What is with the asshat move of sticking the keyboard where it is (with more metal brackets even!)?! Ever hear of WIRELESS keyboards bro? No need to hack that thing in there like some 8th grade student.

I can't go on...man...this is a travesty. And to make matters worse, you've got a bunch of teeny boppers (as evident by the "when I move outta mommas house" comment above) actually congratulating you on this piece of utter and complete shit. Bravo. You impressed a 7th grader.

Do yourself a favor. Take this piece of shit offline QUICK...don't admit to ANYONE you killed a Dig Dug to MAME it and that you MAMED it REAL...REAL...REAL badly. This is DEFINATELY going on the crapmame...

...and this is yet ANOTHER reason why true arcade collectors talk crap about MAME. MAME cabinets are great...but DON'T KILL A FRIGGIN' CLASSIC TO MAKE ONE! Sheesh...

[Ed Oscuro]

With a heavy heart, I dug through eBay to find the price of a replacement PCB and power supply.

Power supply (http://cgi.ebay.com/Working-Atari-Power-supply-Dig-Dug-Centipede-Ect_W0QQitemZ330166248604)

PCB (http://cgi.ebay.com/1982-Atari-DIG-DUG-Arcade-Game-PCB-Working_W0QQitemZ130157969011QQ)

According to ebay, a new PCB and power supply should cost no more than $100, maybe a little bit more if you were impatient. You could probably get it all for $50, and I bet your PCB probably just had a few ROMs that needed to be reburned or a dead capacitor.

[FrizzleFried]

Nice!!!!


Can I have some of what you are smoking??? PLEASE?!?

:drinking:

[InsaneDavid]

No need to flame, it's his.

I do agree though that you should have left the sideart in tact at the very least and that the metal brackets do give it a slapped together / unfinished look. Dig Dug has some of the most unique artwork of any classic era game, shame it was destroyed. I've never cared much for the X-Arcade panels, they're great controllers for use on a desktop PC but look awfully out of place on a cabinet. Your Dig Dug looked as if it was mint, but it's yours, you can do as you wish with it. Honestly you could have sold that cabinet for all the money you'd need to MAME a standard run-of-the-mill cabinet or to buy the supplies to build one from scratch. (which is how most go about building a MAME cabinet)

Here's my cabinet...

http://www.classicplastic.net/digitalpress/polepositioncab012.jpg

...it's running MAME, doesn't look like it, but it is. The internals were shot and Pole Position's are problematic to say the least anyway, so I gutted and rebuilt it as a classic MAME driving cabinet. However it doesn't look or feel like a MAME machine. The PC monitor (which is SLIGHTLY smaller than the original display) is really the only giveaway that it's not 100% original - and that will be remedied after I cut a tighter closing bezel. No extra buttons, the keyboard is hidden inside.

Again, your stuff is.. your stuff. It's important though with arcade cabinets, since there are only so many still out there, to look before you leap.

Can this be moved to Arcade Alley where the mourning can continue?

[FrizzleFried]

With all due respect David, if anyone deserves a good flaming it is this guy. I have to battle the "purists" at KLOV constantly and when they are linking to threads like this one pointing to them as examples of what the MAME community does to classic arcades, it really is hard to argue with them.

A TRUE MAME enthusiast wouldn't have done what he did. Even if he just gutted the insides and dropped a MAME rig in there, kept the CP similar (or the same (did you see how nice that CPO looked?)), I'd have no bitch.

THIS GUY BRUTALIZED THAT CABINET! Yes, it is his, but that doesn't change the fact that it was a boneheaded move to (A) paint the sides (B) install a friggin X-Arcade CP (the ultimate lazy move I might add), (C) brag about this excruciatingly bad MAME job...

EDIT: Nice Pole MAME driver btw...

[Ed Oscuro]

When you get on the internet, you're inviting people into your home. If you get punched in the face for hanging a cat from the ceiling it's to be expected.

[CosmicMonkey]

Here's my cabinet...

http://www.classicplastic.net/digitalpress/polepositioncab012.jpg

...it's running MAME, doesn't look like it, but it is.



Quality. This really is the way to do a MAME conversion, that's damn impressive.

[XYXZYZ]

Frankie, as you may have realized by now the arcade game community on the internet traditionally hates it when you butcher a classic machine. I know you're proud of your work and all, but any forum you post this in is going to flame you.:|

[Vectorman0]

With all due respect David, if anyone deserves a good flaming it is this guy. I have to battle the "purists" at KLOV constantly and when they are linking to threads like this one pointing to them as examples of what the MAME community does to classic arcades, it really is hard to argue with them.

You aren't making MAME community look any good with the way you are acting either. Why don't you take you attitude back to those other forums?

You can criticize his cab as much as you want, but you have to do it in a mature and civilized manner(see some of the other posts here for how to do that). And do you seriously think anyone is going to listen to what you have to say, the way you are saying it? I know I wouldn't, no matter how right you are.

Take it easy, or take a hike.

(Thread moved to the arcade alley)

[Ed Oscuro]

I have to battle the "purists" at KLOV constantly and when they are linking to threads like this one pointing to them as examples of what the MAME community does to classic arcades, it really is hard to argue with them.
Ask the MAME team to change the license agreement ;)

[kainemaxwell]

You really should have asked around here for advice on making your MAME cab, as impressive as it is, you really did kill a classic game cab and its contents. On the positive side that marquee is pretty snazzy.

Frankie, you made yourself a target now.

[Pantechnicon]

...but there's no reason that the dog-piling can't take the form of constructive criticism (/glances at FrizzleFried).

So here are a few additional constructive observations, and if Fred has left the building, then I'm going to write these down anyway for the benefit of anybody else considering building his/her own cab:

- Something like an X-Arcade or a Hanaho HotRod is at best a shortcut, and at worst a cop-out, on a project like this. Fred, you say that the control panel "fits perfectly", but that doesn't account for the big diagonal-shaped gaps in the upper corners. There's no way around this make that look good short of building a panel that sits flush against the cab on all sides. From the experience I've accumulated with these projects, I promise you that building the control panel is the part that takes the most planning and attention to detail. But it looks and feels so good when you get it right.

- The steel clasps on the outside don't help that "slapped-together" look. Other than maybe a couple hinges, bracketing has all got to be on the inside. Again, you have to build a full-fledged control panel to make this happen. By the way, what's with the pink bushings on the clasps. Pink?!

- Please tell me you put the coin door back on. Your "final" pic had it off. People like coin doors. Sometimes they even put in the monies. It was already suggested to go wireless with the keyboard and I agree 100%. If you can't work a wireless keyboard into your budget, then store the keyboard inside the coin door and pull it out as needed. If you absolutely have to have the keyboard on the outside then 1) You need to add more buttons to your control panel, or 2) take a dremel and carve out on some space on the top inside of the coin door with a dremel. Imo keyboards on the outside make it look more like a PC in a big box and less like a cab.

- I can almost forgive painting over the side art, except here's what I don't get: You had the initiative (for better or worse) to paint the sides and even make that nifty looking marquee, but then you utterly ignored doing anything with that black-spray painted bezel. You're an art student, right? You could have made something on the bezel to complement the marquee, or at least replaced it with a new piece allowing you to orient the new monitor horizontally which, as I already stated, would be more conducive to the laserdisc games you say you like so much.

I certainly appreciate the effort that you put into this, but the more I look at it, the more it looks like it was only half-thought out; that you were in such a hurry to get it done you didn't bother planning the most critical parts. It's probably still going to impress your non-gamer friends, but next time take a few tips ahead of time from people who've done it a time or two.

Here's a short gallery (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v255/pzcortez/mame07/) of my last MAME cab project, completed in July. It's not the best MAME cab in the world by a long shot. It's not even the best I've ever done, but it can give you an idea on how to avoid committing some of these gaffes.

[FrizzleFried]

If this cabinet were made by some teenaged kid doing his best to make a cabinet I'd have been a little less direct in my post. But it is not. Fred is a 30 year old man (according to his profile). For a 30 year old man to do anything without investigating the ramifications and, god forbid, without seeking advise about the project BEFORE it started turning to shit (ie: the split second he stuck that X-Arcade stick on the panel and he declared "IT FITS PEFECTLY"), is inexcusable.

That is, of course, unless we are dealing with a person of a "challenged" nature...if that is the case, I apologize and I take everything back.

If this guy isn't mentally disabled in some fashion, he deserves EVERY BIT of criticism I and anyone else levies at him because man, that cabinet is about as "Mickey Mouse" as they come and that is not even taking in to consideration the fact he DESTROYED A CLASSIC.

What did he think (again...if he has his full facilities) people were going to say about that cabinet (here or anywhere)?? Did he post that thing thinking he was going to get props from the community?

"Bravo...you killed a classic arcade cabinet and turned it in to ass! Congratulations". There.

Again...if (A) the guy is mentally challenged or (B) he is a 13 year old who, by accident of course, put in that he is 30 in his profile, I APOLOGIZE PROFUSELY...if it's anything else...well...sometimes THE TRUTH HURTS.

:rolleyes:

EDIT: Constructive criticism... remove the paint you put on the sides...why destroy the art? Put the coin door back on the front. Remove that god aweful X-Arcade stick and patch the holes you put in to the cabinet with wood filler. Put the original control panel back on. Even if you drill a couple extra holes in it, it would look 100000% better than that X-Arcade stick which screams "NEWB"...not to mention the mounting method.

I'd even ditch the marquee and go back to the Dig Dug marquee personally.

I'd also take the advice of someone from above and make a new bezel, but orient the monitor HORIZONTALLY. Vertical games look fine on a horizontally oriented monitor as long as you don't have HW stretching enabled. Horizontal games look like ass on a vertical oriented monitor OR you have to deal with a VERY VERY VERY small screen. You mentioned you like Daphne...go horizontal.

The biggest piece of advice I can give is one I gave you a hard time about. DO A LITTLE LOOKING BEFORE YOU LEAP! If you would have presented your ideas on here or BYOAC or MAMEWORLD before you went and killed a classic arcade cabinet, you'd have saved yourself a lot of heartache because just about everyone would have discouraged your course of action. Too late now... now you can (A) try to fix the thing or (B) live with the monstrosity you created knowing full well that anyone "in the know" is going to laugh at it or cry at it.

I am sorry for my gruff attitude and my ornery disposition...

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Well, hey, everybody is entitled to their opinion.

This was my SECOND attempt at adding MAME to a cabinet, and my FIRST at really gutting one to do so.

I fully realized that this could raise the ire of the "arcade/mame/classics" enthusiast community...

...and if they want to flame me, it's their prerogative. (It's not like this is the first gaming message board that I've been to ... opinions are like ass-holes ... everybody's got em ... and even if you try to plug em' up, some shit's still gonna leak out somewhere.)

I'm sorry that they feel the way that they do, but honestly, it's MY property and I have every right to modify it as I please.

I get the feeling that some of you think that I'm a teen ... or a kid that has no "respect" for the legacy of classic gaming...

I'm an adult, thank you. And I've always considered myself to be a classic gaming enthusiast. I was gaming in arcades in 1982. I grew up with ALL the classics, and hung around at LEAST through the fighting game renaissance of the late 90's.

And, hey, COME ON - I certainly was NOT HAPPY that the thing crapped out, but it did, no machine is perpetual. Everything breaks.

The MULTIPLE people that I spoke to quoted me prices on repair costs that were well above what I paid for the cabinet in the first place.

It was either spend more on repairs than I paid for the cab, or take a RARE opportunity to give myself and my friends something to enjoy.

Yes yes, I know, I "butchered" a classic machine ... but, I DID my pricing and research. Let's put aside our snooty attitudes and think about this logically :

A.) The cost of repairs wasn't worth it. (dead horse)

B.) The cost of an iPac, an equivalent amount of buttons, wires, building materials, time and labor are simply NOT equivalent to buying an X-Arcade and dropping it in. And - I didn't HAVE to use the brackets to fasten it, I could have directly modified the X-Arcade and drilled it in ... BUT, I'd simply rather use the brackets, which allow for quick-release if needed.

C.) The chances of making any amount of reasonable money selling a "broken" cabinet was pretty low, and the shipping costs on a cabinet makes that even LESS enticing to a potential buyer.

D.) The cost of EVEN an EMPTY pre-fab MAME cabinet (without CPU or joystick hardware) is in the high hundreds.

I HAD a 21 inch monitor, and a cpu ... so, the total cost on this project was $100.

I'll say it again slowly.

One

Hundred

Dollars

(and a few days of my precious time)

Can you build a MAME cabinet for that much?

Can you build ME one for that much?

Would you trade me a broken Dig-Dug cabinet for a complete working Mame Cabinet with pro hardware?

And, I get the feeling that a lot of frustration comes from people that are waving their hands frantically in the air saying "But, but, you could have given the dead Dig-Dug cabinet to me!!" .... those people can sit down and put their hands back in their pockets. It wasn't going anywhere, much less to any of you.

Now aesthetically, it might not be the greatest looking MAME cabinet in the world ... but I'm no more of a carpenter than I am an electrical engineer. What you see might look a bit slap-dash, but it's also pretty much still a "blank" cab ... I can add artwork to the bezel and the sides in the future ... I just didn't want it to look like a Dig-Dug cab anymore ... because it's no longer one.

What you see in my post was the least costly way of creating something FUN out of the dead husk of a (yes) once beloved classic machine.

The short short is that I wasn't going to get it repaired, and I wasn't going to sell it in a "non-functional" state. So, it was either this or leave it to rot (I didn't even want to deal with lugging the thing down the stairs to put out in the trash).

To any classic game enthusiasts that I've offended and who have acted rationally and CONSTRUCTIVELY CRITICAL of my little "project" ... I'm sorry that I've added speed-lines to the Mona Lisa ... but to those who have acted like pompous, snotty, elitist assholes ... I could give a crap less what you think.

I'm currently having a BLAST with this machine, as is my GF, and roommate. And, at the end of the day, isn't that what gaming is all about?

(Yeah yeah, of course it's not, when it comes to "enthusiasts" it's all about penis-waving contests ... but frankly, I've never cared about those.)

[DogP]

But if you're doing it for the cheap factor... why spend money on paint when clearly old Dig Dug art is better than plain white? I would have personally left the DD marquee also, but I understand that you wanted to give it the Multigame feel. And I'm not trying to cut it down because of what you did to a Dig Dug (which is a game I really like BTW)... it just looks bad IMO (especially the control panel).

And if you were doing a computer monitor in there, why not leave the monitor rotated horizontally? Like others have said, that's the way the Laserdisc games are, and the X-Arcade is more of a fighting game control panel, which are also horizontal. And it may have been a little more difficult to do, but many times the control panel is what makes or breaks MAME cabs, and a custom built well laid out panel could have totally saved that. With a vertical monitor, you really only need a couple buttons, because the screen gets shrunk WAY too much for horizontal fighters. I personally think fighters need a 25" screen anyway... why would you want to play on that when you could drag your X-Arcade over to your PC and play on a larger screen?

Of course I would have fixed the Dig Dug in the first place, but I realize some people aren't into learning arcade repair... but if you were anywhere near me, I woulda gladly traded a generic cab for the Dig Dug, and even thrown some cash into the trade.

DogP

[stonic]

You could have gotten a new game board for $100
http://www.quarterarcade.com/Game.aspx/3413

New power supplies average about $15

Then you could have sold it for a few hundred and built a nicer MAME machine :)

Or you could have sold it as-is to someone willing to restore it, like this guy:
http://tinyurl.com/2mb5j6

And then pick up a cab worth converting.

All I'm saying is, you had options.

Seriously man, what kind of reaction did you expect, posting pics of something like that on a website devoted to CLASSIC games. You think we're tough? Go post in RGVAC...

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

But if you're doing it for the cheap factor... why spend money on paint when clearly old Dig Dug art is better than plain white? I would have personally left the DD marquee also, but I understand that you wanted to give it the Multigame feel. And I'm not trying to cut it down because of what you did to a Dig Dug (which is a game I really like BTW)... it just looks bad IMO (especially the control panel).

And if you were doing a computer monitor in there, why not leave the monitor rotated horizontally? Like others have said, that's the way the Laserdisc games are, and the X-Arcade is more of a fighting game control panel, which are also horizontal. And it may have been a little more difficult to do, but many times the control panel is what makes or breaks MAME cabs, and a custom built well laid out panel could have totally saved that. With a vertical monitor, you really only need a couple buttons, because the screen gets shrunk WAY too much for horizontal fighters. I personally think fighters need a 25" screen anyway... why would you want to play on that when you could drag your X-Arcade over to your PC and play on a larger screen?

Of course I would have fixed the Dig Dug in the first place, but I realize some people aren't into learning arcade repair... but if you were anywhere near me, I woulda gladly traded a generic cab for the Dig Dug, and even thrown some cash into the trade.

DogP

Lots of good questions, and lots of good points.

The answer to all of them is - I'm not an expert. Never claimed to be.

I really thought I made it clear that this was a project based on very little experience.

If I have another opportunity, the time, cash, or drive to craft another cabinet in the future, I'll be sure to take things into consideration like ...

"will the classic arcade community approve of my design decisions?"

Seriously, though - I'll take into consideration all the genuinely constructive criticisms that have been brought to light with this thread.

It's a REAL DAMNED SHAME that FizzleFred had to turn this into such a bash-fest (I LOVE that "oh-so-sincere" apology ... would you like to know where you can put that apology Fred?) ... And WOW, I'm REALLY impressed that I've caused a thread with 4 + pages of negative responses and apparently the hero-ization of the guy for coming here and "yelling" at me over at The Killer List Of Videogames.

People are being VERY presumptuous about this whole thing.

Expert gaming repair techs are PRESUMING that I have the same types of skills.

I'm not an expert. I'm not really even a NOVICE.

I'm just a guy who took X amount of initiative to do something that I consider to be "fun".

Like some have said - the NEXT time I decide to build a cabinet, I'll have learned from this experience.

Sure, the elitists can chastise me all they want, that's what message boards are all about to those types of people...

...but if people just came out and calmly asked questions like you're doing, this could be a constructive opportunity to share experience and skill with somebody who obviously has less than he has motivation to make the best of a bad situation.

And, I'm sure that you all know that OF COURSE I CAN still turn the dang monitor on it's side for a horizontal view. It's not like I bolted it down. I'll just need to craft a new plexi bezel...which, is absolutely do-able. Perhaps I'll do that next week, or next month.

I digress - call me whatever you want - stupid, lazy, noob, killer of classic cabinet art ...

doesn't change the level of enjoyment that I've gotten out of working on this "project", as noobish or imperfect as it may be to some.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

You could have gotten a new game board for $100
http://www.quarterarcade.com/Game.aspx/3413

New power supplies average about $15

Then you could have sold it for a few hundred and built a nicer MAME machine :)

Or you could have sold it as-is to someone willing to restore it, like this guy:
http://tinyurl.com/2mb5j6

And then pick up a cab worth converting.

All I'm saying is, you had options.

Seriously man, what kind of reaction did you expect, posting pics of something like that on a website devoted to CLASSIC games. You think we're tough? Go post in RGVAC...

No no, I half-expected this type of response from some. And, like I've repeatedly said (and PLEASE understand that I'm sincere when I say it) that anybody who disagrees with my decisions is absolutely entitled to do so.

I understand to some, that "ownership" means far less than the importance of "preservation".

In any responses I give, I just feel I'm entitled to defend my own logic.

We're all entitled to that, aren't we?

[InsaneDavid]

I'm sorry that they feel the way that they do, but honestly, it's MY property and I have every right to modify it as I please.

As I said eariler.


B.) The cost of an iPac, an equivalent amount of buttons, wires, building materials, time and labor are simply NOT equivalent to buying an X-Arcade and dropping it in. And - I didn't HAVE to use the brackets to fasten it, I could have directly modified the X-Arcade and drilled it in ... BUT, I'd simply rather use the brackets, which allow for quick-release if needed.

You know you can remove the internals from the X-Arcade and build them into a better fitting control panel, that might be a really good alternative later on, shouldn't cost much and would blend in much better.


I HAD a 21 inch monitor, and a cpu ... so, the total cost on this project was $100.

I'll say it again slowly.

One

Hundred

Dollars

(and a few days of my precious time)

Can you build a MAME cabinet for that much?

The total cost for mine (including cost of the cabinet itself) was under $150. $30 of that was to replace the marquee light which was totally shot) Then tack onto that the fact that I sold the non-working Pole Position PCB's for $20.00 = under $130 total. (don't worry, I was honest and sold them as non-working (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260150703154) - you'd be amazed how many people just need a couple ROMS off a board to get theirs working)

Like I've been saying since the start, it's yours to do with what you please.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Thanks David.

I appreciate the sentiments, as well as the advice.

[FrizzleFried]

To any classic game enthusiasts that I've offended and who have acted rationally and CONSTRUCTIVELY CRITICAL of my little "project" ... I'm sorry that I've added speed-lines to the Mona Lisa ... but to those who have acted like pompous, snotty, elitist assholes ... I could give a crap less what you think.


If you could care less what we think, why did you take the time and effort to register as a new user at KLOV to try to explain yourself and to call me out? I mean, if I am a pompous, snotty, elitist asshole, why bother?

Hmmm...

[FrizzleFried]

Alright...i've been called out of sorts. Here is my first MAME project... last year...never touched an arcade cabinet other to play it prior. It was a Bad Dudes cabinet that had been converted to a Street Fighter II...

I got it for $100 without the PCB...

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa111/PapaFriz/ARCADEPHOTOS1.jpg


It's the blue one. The one next to it is my vertical MAME cabinet that was originally a Final Fight (no PCB either) in a generic Dynamo cabinet...

Now lets see how it looked originally...

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa111/PapaFriz/BRANDOLD1-1.jpg

Now here is my 3rd MAME project. It was originally a Dig Dug cocktail (oh the irony). By the time I bought it for $50 it had already been butchered in to a Rally X and then gutted. I use this cabinet primarily as a jukebox as I also run WinCab in it.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa111/PapaFriz/NEWCPO1.jpg

...and this is how it looked when I got it (monitor was dead and Rally X PCB was gone...original Dig Dug harness long gone.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa111/PapaFriz/JUSTARRIVED1-2.jpg

...and do you want to know something. I still to this day REGRET not keeping the original control panel overlays. One was damaged a little but still 7/10 condition. While I like the wood grain, I'd rather have the original.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

If you could care less what we think, why did you take the time and effort to register as a new user at KLOV to try to explain yourself and to call me out? I mean, if I am a pompous, snotty, elitist asshole, why bother?

Hmmm...

I don't care what you think.

but to answer your question - I did it because you're a pompous, snotty, elitist asshole - of course.

Yet, with all your blow-hard commentary about the preservation, restoration, and maintaining of cabinets ... I see that you've modified, installed, painted, and re-marqueed cabinets which some would consider to be "classics" ...

... I really have a hard time understanding why you felt the need to register here to slam my novice efforts, when you've only done THE SAME with cabinets (gutted, modified, painted, etc.) with a greater degree of technical proficiency than I have, and greater success in cabinet aesthetics.

Makes you feel good to pick on people who try with less success (in your eyes) does it?

Rather school-yard bully-ish tactics if you ask me. And with what you've shown us, hypocritical, and unfounded ones as well.

[stonic]

To be fair, a Street Fighter cab is a bit lower on the value scale, as far as being a classic (not to mention there were probably 10 times as many machines made compared to Dig Dug). To convert a classic that needed very little in order to restore back to 100% original is my main issue with it (that, and painting over otherwise pristine artwork). I've used classic cabinets for MAME machines before (http://web.comporium.net/~scottith/) but the difference is I started with cabs that were converted and/or missing a lot of parts, and restoring them would not have been worth it unless they were games that I really wanted to have, which they weren't. There is a seemingly endless supply of 'bastardized' cabinets already out there to use, so there's no need to make more.

And yes, you're entitled to your opinion, just as we all are. All I'm saying is, you're in the minority on this one :)

[diskoboy]

I think I'm gonna have to agree with the majority of everyone here - That was a total waste of a classic machine. No cabinet made before 1984 should ever be MAME'd, no matter what the condition.

No arcade machine is ever totally dead. A new $40 power supply would've probably brought the machine back to life.

[FrizzleFried]

I thought I had explained it...but perhaps not in enough detail. The Bad Dudes cabinet (it actually may have been a Robocop...they have the same cabinet) was already hacked in to a JAMMA Street Fighter II. It had already been destroyed AND the fact of the matter is that Bad Dudes OR RoboCop aren't really considered "classics". The cabinet I bought had no side art, already had the entire insides removed minus the monitors transformer, no marquee, control panel that had been hacked to death, etc.

The 2nd MAME cabinet I did was in a Dynamo cabinet (IE: A Generic cabinet that had been many different JAMMA games prior). It happened to have 1/2 of a Final Fight kit still in it. Again...no marquee... destroyed side art on one side and none on the other... all that was left was the Final Fight bezel and control panel overlay.

The 3rd MAME cabinet I did really was about as close I got to killing a classic. That said, man, you should have seen the cabinet. It was originally a Dig Dug that had been converted to a Rally X at some time. By the time I got it it was trashed. No game boards... no power supply... non-working 13" monitor with massive screen burn... 1 side of the control panel had an 8-way super joystick in it...the other side had an 8-way Wico (or it MAY have been a 4-way that was just wore down). No smoked plexi... nothing. It is a far cry from a cabinet in good condition with good side art, good marquee, good control panel overlay, etc.

The question remains Franky...

What did you do with all the original stuff? Do you still have the PCB? Do you still have the original control panel? Do you still have the original marquee? Why not sell the stuff to someone who would appreciate having them and could use them to restore their cabinet?

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

I still have the hardware.

If I ever meet anybody who needs a ram-failed Dig-Dug PCB, or an unstable power supply, I'll be happy to donate them.

Well, anybody except any of the detractors in this thread.

(To think - you could have had it for free if you hadn't all acted like such assholes.)

I'm done now.

I've said my piece, defended my choices and my logic, even traveled to the KLOV forums to explain myself in your remote "hate-me-thread".

You can all have this thread now as a shrine to your own pompous elitist egos.

[kainemaxwell]

You can all have this thread now as a shrine to your own pompous elitist egos.

We only see one ego here, yours. oh wait, he's a know-it-all newbie, my mistake. Here's a link to the klov topic on this guy:
http://forums.webmagic.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=539322&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

[stonic]

I still have the hardware.

If I ever meet anybody who needs a ram-failed Dig-Dug PCB, or an unstable power supply, I'll be happy to donate them.

Well, anybody except any of the detractors in this thread.


Great, now I'll never get another good night's sleep. What ever will I do?


Then again, if you had simply asked folks here, you probably could have gotten the parts you needed to get the game running again, or a free cab to use for MAME. But since you just called everyone an asshole for voicing their opinions, you can pretty much forget about anyone helping you with anything now. Oh well. Now you can "travel" the long distance all the way back to the KLOV forum. Who knows, maybe they'll create an entry for your FrankenMAME machine :-D

[FrizzleFried]

The funny thing is this guy keeps referring to the thread there as a "HATES-ME" thread...look at your name dude...the title of the thread is a play off of your own friggin name, genius!

I am guessing the same MENSA mentality that tells you to destroy a classic and badly MAME it tells you that the thread is a "HATE" thread. We don't hate you. No...we don't like what you did, but man, it takes a lot of energy to hate someone...and frankly Frankie...I doubt anyone there (or here) knows or cares enough about you to expend the amount of energy necessary to hate you.

*_*

[Radiac]

lol

You try to make a clever thread title and you end up with this.

Fankie, I made the thread on KLOV. As FrizzleFried already said, noone hates you over there, including me. I wish you hadn't hacked that cab up, but hate? Man, the day I start hating someone over a game or game message board is the day I need to get the fuck off of the internet.

Oh yeah, you seem quite proud of yourself for "finding" us over there "hating" on you. I only wish that you had used the same level of resourcefulness before trashing the Dig Dug.

If you had come to KLOV with questions about fixing the game, everyone there would have welcomed you and done their best to help you out. Your claim that the site is full of elitists is way off base. The KLOV community is one of the least elitist that I have ever seen.

They just don't like seeing shitty MAME cabs.

[kainemaxwell]

lol
They just don't like seeing shitty MAME cabs.

And neither do we, Frankie.