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lspear76
10-22-2007, 04:28 PM
hey all...
just got 15 new sega master system games in today, and a few were 3d games. I got the glasses in today too.
However they do not seem to work on my LCD television. I do not get a 3d effect, however i do notice a change when i put the adapter into the card slot compared to when it is not in the slot.
is there a problem with the 3d glasses when using an LCD tv? I can't get my light gun to register either... about to try both on my CRT tv tonight.
segagamer
10-22-2007, 04:38 PM
Yes, your CRT TV should work with all 3D and Light Phaser games.
Jimmy Yakapucci
10-22-2007, 04:38 PM
Not sure about the glasses, but I know that the gun will not work with an LCD TV. Hadn't really thought about the glasses, good thing I didn't buy that pair I saw.
JY
lspear76
10-22-2007, 05:56 PM
Man, my 3D glasses do not work, I just tried them on my CRT tv. The 3D items appear to be "double". I tried taking the connector in and out of the cartridge slot. My Sega card games (Ghost House, Transbot, Spy vs Spy) all work on the card slot. But the 3D glasses give me a double image on characters and text. The guy from Ebay said they were tested and "work great." Do the glasses work using RF cables, or do I need the RCA adapter? I'm getting my $50 back... disappointed, man.
klausien
10-22-2007, 06:20 PM
Man, my 3D glasses do not work, I just tried them on my CRT tv. The 3D items appear to be "double". I tried taking the connector in and out of the cartridge slot. My Sega card games (Ghost House, Transbot, Spy vs Spy) all work on the card slot. But the 3D glasses give me a double image on characters and text. The guy from Ebay said they were tested and "work great." Do the glasses work using RF cables, or do I need the RCA adapter? I'm getting my $50 back... disappointed, man.
Try cleaning all of the connectors thoroughly, including the phono plug and jack, with q-tips and alcohol. For the card slot, fold a piece of thin cardboard in half and slide it in and out of the slot if you don't have a proper cleaner. Check that the connections are dry and try again after assuring that all connections are solid. Sometimes you also need to play with the connection between the wire from the glasses and the adapter.
Mine work fine, but the above worked well with a friend's well-used set. Enjoy the 3D! My fave of all the games is actually Missile Defense 3-D. Maze Hunter 3-D is a close second. The games are very dated now, and the effect is a flicker festival, but it is definitely a worthwhile experience. The Famicom 3D goggles are cool too. :D
Scrimble
10-22-2007, 06:25 PM
Did you try moving the plug from the glasses around the jack on the card adapter? Sometimes it becomes loose and doesn't make contact with the plug. I've had to get inside and solder that jack back into place.
Sweater Fish Deluxe
10-22-2007, 06:30 PM
You can confirm that the glasses are working correctly by looking at a steady light source like a light bulb and closing one eye. You should see the light rapidly flashing. Try with your other eye, too.
Personally, I found that the Master System 3-D glasses just never worked for me. It wasn't any technical problem, it was just that my brain didn't accept the illusion. I remember we had a long discussion about this on Usenet once and a number of other people said the same thing.
...word is bondage...
lspear76
10-22-2007, 07:00 PM
I did a Google groups search and found something interesting that I would have never thought of... my TV is a 30" Sony HDTV CRT -- and it was set to progressive mode, ruining the 3D effect. I switched over to interlace and the lettering is now clear and the 3D is "better", although something still doesn't seem right. How great is the 3D effect? Back in '87 I remember it being so great, and I just played Maze Hunter and Zaxxon and it just doesn't seem quite right, like some small areas are still too blurry instead of everything coming together.
lspear76
10-22-2007, 07:07 PM
You can confirm that the glasses are working correctly by looking at a steady light source like a light bulb and closing one eye. You should see the light rapidly flashing. Try with your other eye, too.
Personally, I found that the Master System 3-D glasses just never worked for me. It wasn't any technical problem, it was just that my brain didn't accept the illusion. I remember we had a long discussion about this on Usenet once and a number of other people said the same thing.
...word is bondage...
I did "the test" and the light bulb is flashing quickly when I close either eye.
grolt
10-22-2007, 07:18 PM
I actually just addressed this concern in this thread:
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1261019&postcount=8
The problem is that the television is too big. Throw them onto a smaller tube and the effect will still be amazing. These games were designed in a time when the biggest television wasn't over 25". Now I'm sure they wouldn't have used such a rudimentary vector displacement method to create the double vision, but it is what it is, and to get that "is" you have to view it on a smaller television. The glasses are fine, it's the TV that's not.
segagamer
10-23-2007, 01:04 PM
I did a Google groups search and found something interesting that I would have never thought of... my TV is a 30" Sony HDTV CRT -- and it was set to progressive mode, ruining the 3D effect. I switched over to interlace and the lettering is now clear and the 3D is "better", although something still doesn't seem right. How great is the 3D effect? Back in '87 I remember it being so great, and I just played Maze Hunter and Zaxxon and it just doesn't seem quite right, like some small areas are still too blurry instead of everything coming together.
I have a similar Sony Hi-Scan CRT TV, and whether I set it to progressive or interlace, neither the light gun games nor the 3D glasses games work on it. I know the games worked on my older Magnavox 30" TV from the early 90's.
Frankie_Says_Relax
10-23-2007, 02:49 PM
I actually just addressed this concern in this thread:
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1261019&postcount=8
The problem is that the television is too big. Throw them onto a smaller tube and the effect will still be amazing. These games were designed in a time when the biggest television wasn't over 25". Now I'm sure they wouldn't have used such a rudimentary vector displacement method to create the double vision, but it is what it is, and to get that "is" you have to view it on a smaller television. The glasses are fine, it's the TV that's not.
I'll second Grolt on that.
I've tried the 3D glasses on larger CRT sets, and the overall 3D effect is rather strained / weak.
If you have a CRT set that's under 25" give it a try on that, and you might want to lower external light sources in the room.
And, if you're planning on playing for more than 15 minutes, stock up on Excedrin and expect a mild headache.
Fanboy
10-24-2007, 05:30 PM
I am willing to bet that the problem people are having with viewing the ghosting images on HDTV sets is not due to the size of the set (although that may also be an issue) but the fact that the HDTV is set to display a progressive image.
The way the SMS 3D Glasses work is that one eyepiece is shut while the correct interlaced field is drawn for the opposite eyepiece. For example, the right eye is shut for 1/60th second while the image for the left eye is drawn, then the left eye is shut for 1/60th of a second while the image for the right eye is drawn.
The problem happens when you are viewing the images on a progressive scan screen where both fields are drawn simultaneously in a single frame. Hence the ghosting, you're getting the images for both eyes at the same time.
I'm willing to bet grolt's 21" television was not displaying a progressive scan image, hence the 3D effect worked.
FABombjoy
10-24-2007, 07:26 PM
The timing is better on some games than others, too. On plain old NTSC TV's, Zaxxon 3D looks bad to me, but Maze Hunter looks good. Zaxxon has the ghosting issue, like the programming is slightly out of sync. I had the 3D glasses "back in the day" and noticed this on our 25" Zenith set.
Sweater Fish Deluxe
10-25-2007, 01:13 PM
The timing is better on some games than others, too. On plain old NTSC TV's, Zaxxon 3D looks bad to me, but Maze Hunter looks good. Zaxxon has the ghosting issue, like the programming is slightly out of sync. I had the 3D glasses "back in the day" and noticed this on our 25" Zenith set.
It's not just a matter of programming or what kind of TV you use, there's a psycho-physiological issue. The 3D effect used in the Master System works best when you're looking directly at the sprite that's getting the 3D treatment, like in Maze Hunter or Missile Defense (when you're looking right at the missile), but when the 3D objects are more peripheral to our vision the effect tends to dissolve, which is the problem in Zaxxon. Some people seem to be able to relax their vision in a way that makes the 3D effect work well, while others have a more directed focus that almost entirely kills the 3D effect. Most people are probably somewhere in the middle, of course.
...word is bondage...
FABombjoy
10-25-2007, 03:00 PM
All I know is that I see 3 of each object in Zaxxon, and only 1 in Maze Hunter. To me that says the programming sucks.
GarrettCRW
10-25-2007, 03:07 PM
The timing is better on some games than others, too. On plain old NTSC TV's, Zaxxon 3D looks bad to me, but Maze Hunter looks good. Zaxxon has the ghosting issue, like the programming is slightly out of sync. I had the 3D glasses "back in the day" and noticed this on our 25" Zenith set.
Seconded. I have a good number of the Famicom 3-D games, and Falsion is the only one that doesn't work for me on my 19" TV.
grolt
10-25-2007, 04:49 PM
All I know is that I see 3 of each object in Zaxxon, and only 1 in Maze Hunter. To me that says the programming sucks.
Well, I see one of each in both games. To me that says your eyesight sucks. :D
FABombjoy
10-25-2007, 07:26 PM
I have 3 eyeballs, you insensitive clod!
DarthKur
10-25-2007, 08:35 PM
Mine always displays double images. I always figured that's the way it was supposed to be or in other words as good as it good for that time period.
klausien
10-25-2007, 09:41 PM
The worst double vision for me occurs in Blade Eagle 3-D. I find the game near unplayable. It totally sucks and is just not worth playing. For completists only. I don't say that too often. It's all about Maze Hunter 3-D. Some of the lesser knowns like Poseidon Wars 3-D & Line of Fire work pretty well too. OutRun 3-D is expensive garbage (a little harsh, but it has no sense of speed and the tracks are quite bare. Only the 3D clouds stage really impresses.
I concur with Falsion on the Famicom 3D. It is also very, very hard. It's a shame too, as it had a lot of potential. It does get better if you manage to get past stage one. I find that starfield space backgrounds with 3D enemies make for the worst 3D effect on either system.
Best 3D effects in a Fami 3D game are in J.J. Tobidase Daisakusen 2 (3D World Runner 2). It is better than any of the Sega 3D games to my eyes. Cosmic Epsilon (Boss battles are KILLER visually) & Highway Star (Rad Racer) are also pretty good. Attack Animal Gakuen is a really odd Space Harrier clone (lack of rapid fire kills it) with nice 3D scrolling. 3D Hot Rally is right in the middle as a game. Kind of Mario Kart's closest ancestor.