You might want to hold out on the Wii Zapper... [Archive]

boatofcar

11-27-2007, 02:47 AM

Link (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/nintendo-wii/nyko-perfect-shot-brings-namco-style-light-gun-to-the-wii-326728.php)

http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/11/31d-tbiJKWL._SS500_.jpg

From Gizmodo:

Just looking at Nyko's Perfect Shot controller shell brings back childhood memories spent playing Namco Arcade Shooters. Now a bit of that nostalgia is coming to the Wii. I like Nintendo's zapper attachment is nice, but the plain white design was a bit generic for my tastes. This, however, is a whole other story. The shape of the gun, the colors used, all have a throwback feel – and I like it. A tactile trigger controls the B button, and apass through port allows the nunchuck or other future add-on to be used. With light gun games starting to arrive on Wii, I may have to pick this up, just to relive some of my nerd glory days. The Perfect Shot should be available on December 24 for $12.99.

Icarus Moonsight

11-27-2007, 04:58 AM

Why hold out? I'd get em both. Though, I could see a use for more than one of the Nyko gunshells - unlike the Zapper. Thanks for the heads up. :)

chrisbid

11-27-2007, 06:52 AM

i didnt think game companies allowed realistic looking guns to be made for their machines

im thinking this may not be on the market very long, get it while you can

im going to get the zapper just for the crossbow game

boatofcar

11-27-2007, 07:23 AM

FantasiaWHT

11-27-2007, 08:11 AM

That's a realistic looking gun?

You never saw the guncon, I'm guessing...

The laws about realistic-looking toy guns changed after the Guncon 1 was made, hence the Guncon 2's entire bright-orange or blue color.

Dangerboy

11-27-2007, 08:30 AM

Except the main issue here isn't the holder; it's the fact that's it's still not a light gun. You're still aiming at the sensor bar.

Until someone can figure out how to split the sensor bar in 2 and allow it to be clipped to a television's halfway point (i.e. centered), it wouldn't matter what the gun holder looks like.

I bought the zapper for Crossbow training, and haven't used the zapper after it's initial offering.

Crossbow training on the other hand is amazingly fun.

bigdaddychester

11-27-2007, 09:04 AM

I thought I saw that in one of the black friday adds. Maybe Toys-R-Us had them for $5. I'm almost sure of it.

segagamer4life

11-27-2007, 09:38 AM

I have the zapper and I am definately getting both,.. nice!

MonoTekETeA

11-27-2007, 11:26 AM

Except the main issue here isn't the holder; it's the fact that's it's still not a light gun. You're still aiming at the sensor bar.

Until someone can figure out how to split the sensor bar in 2 and allow it to be clipped to a television's halfway point (i.e. centered),

I don't have the time to work on this right now, but it will be something I will do in the future. Won't be too hard either: http://gamershabitat.com/2006/11/21/how-to-deal-with-a-dysfunctional-sensor-bar/

-Jeremy

Ponyone

11-27-2007, 12:32 PM

I still want all of the guns, so I can have my own little wii arsenal and then when friends come over we'll be like a crack fighting team fighting for the good of the people and their property.

slip81

11-27-2007, 12:35 PM

that does look like it would be a lot better than the zapper, and even though i haven't used the zapper yet, i'm weary about how fast you can actually aim and shoot with these things.

i mean, light gun rail shooters are all about speed and precision, and from what fps' i've played on the wii, the cursor always goes all wonky when you try to move too fast.

why can't they just make a regular light gun game for the system with it's own gun and not force you to use the IR remote?

MrSparkle

11-27-2007, 12:48 PM

there can be only one! (nintendo zapper that is) and its bright orange... or gray if you have a slightly older version lol

otaku

11-27-2007, 02:01 PM

this looks like it'd feel/work better for gun games probably. Certainly looks better and its cheaper (though without a cool game like links crossbow)

All I know is I have and am happy with my zapper

Frankie_Says_Relax

11-27-2007, 02:34 PM

Zap!

11-27-2007, 02:52 PM

The laws about realistic-looking toy guns changed after the Guncon 1 was made, hence the Guncon 2's entire bright-orange or blue color.

If you elect the man in my avatar president, there won't be anymore unnessesary laws like that anymore. :)

UniHamachi

11-27-2007, 03:11 PM

why can't they just make a regular light gun game for the system with it's own gun and not force you to use the IR remote?
Because you can't use light guns with non-CRT monitors. They won't work with RPTV, plasma, and LCD TV sets.

slip81

11-27-2007, 03:57 PM

Because you can't use light guns with non-CRT monitors. They won't work with RPTV, plasma, and LCD TV sets.

actually they do make guns that work with flat panel monitors, search for a thing called the TopGun. though for me it's a non-issue since I own a crt hd set.

how does the time crisis 4 gun work? surely it must support lcd, plasma and projection sets, it seems highly unlikely that sony would put a fancy pants 1080p game on their new fangled hd entertainment system that wouldn't support flat panels, since i'm willing to bet that most ps3 owners are using them on LCD sets

FantasiaWHT

11-27-2007, 04:03 PM

If you elect the man in my avatar president, there won't be anymore unnessesary laws like that anymore. :)

I'd take him more seriously if he public denounced some of his more, ahem, rabid supporters like Neo-nazis, 9/11 conspiracy theorists, southern secessionists, supremacists, etc.

That and if he were seriously libertarian enough to support free trade and school vouchers.

UniHamachi

11-27-2007, 04:07 PM

how does the time crisis 4 gun work? surely it must support lcd, plasma and projection sets, it seems highly unlikely that sony would put a fancy pants 1080p game on their new fangled hd entertainment system that wouldn't support flat panels, since i'm willing to bet that most ps3 owners are using them on LCD sets
From Shacknews.com:

The PlayStation 3 port of Time Crisis 4, the latest in the long-running light gun shooter series, uses the Wii approach. It comes with its own set of IR sensors that must sit atop the TV. It even has its own aiming calibration that attempts to match up its triangulation with the specific dimensions of your TV.

The problem is, at the end of the day, this IR-based light gun simply does not feel as rock-solid as a real pixel-precise light gun--but Time Crisis 4 has no reticule.

slip81

11-27-2007, 06:30 PM

alright, never mind, after some youtubing it looks like that TopGun uses ir sensors as well. shows how much i know.

boatofcar

11-27-2007, 06:37 PM

I'd take him more seriously if he public denounced some of his more, ahem, rabid supporters ...supremacists, etc.

Go back and read some of White Knight's posts on race...it might be enlightening...

Cryomancer

11-27-2007, 06:49 PM

Well, I want one. The Zapper is too Tommy-Gun for me to want to use for wario or wii play. It'd probably be great for Crisis Zone or something, but damnit, I want a pistol grip.

Dangerboy: http://www.destructoid.com/portable-sensor-bar-for-your-non-portable-wii-52893.phtml

Poofta!

11-28-2007, 11:43 PM

wow this is awesome! im so getting this, along witha couple shooters (fps and otherwise). finally my wii will get some play after wiiplay came out...

diskoboy

11-29-2007, 02:38 PM

Why hold out? I'd get em both.

That's what I'm screamin'.... Both together would still cost less than a brand new game.

Ryu3324

11-29-2007, 03:02 PM

Thats funny that it comes out xmas eve. One of the craziest shopping days of the year.

Zap!

11-30-2007, 04:23 PM

I'd take him more seriously if he public denounced some of his more, ahem, rabid supporters like Neo-nazis, 9/11 conspiracy theorists, southern secessionists, supremacists, etc.

That and if he were seriously libertarian enough to support free trade and school vouchers.

Well, those people don't like Paul because they think he's one of them. They like him because he's very, very anti-government. He also has the most black support of any Republican. So in reality, Paul is a total unighter. Blacks, 9/11 nuts, Democrats, Republicans, anti-government militia men, anti-war hippies, we all love him. :)

As for "Southern Secessionists", I know a few hard-core liberals who also would like this country to divide in two - one liberal and one conservative. They say there is too much division.

Soviet Conscript

11-30-2007, 07:31 PM

As for "Southern Secessionists", I know a few hard-core liberals who also would like this country to divide in two - one liberal and one conservative. They say there is too much division.

and the cure for division is....more division?

i'm a staunch imperialist myself. being anti-goverment is to hip and trendy these days.
uh-oh i just broke my first rule of posting, politics

anyways....yhea...how bout that wii zapper

Zap!

11-30-2007, 08:24 PM

and the cure for division is....more division?

I dunno. I personally would love to move to an independant state (which would make it a country) which doesn't have to follow the more stupid later amendments of the constitution. A state with guns for everybody, no abortions, school prayer, no ratings on video games, no more wars for oil, and most of all, NO immigrants and an official English language. Such a feat will only be acchived if states succeed from the Union. Likewise, my liberal friends can have a state with gay mariage, a ban on handguns, heathcare for ALL, etc. And the moderates can stay in the states that remain loyal to the Union. See, something for everyone, and the ONLY solution in my opinion.

anyways....yhea...how bout that wii zapper

It should be in the shape of a machine gun. :)

boatofcar

11-30-2007, 10:27 PM

I dunno. I personally would love to move to an independant state (which would make it a country) which doesn't have to follow the more stupid later amendments of the constitution.

Which ones, in particular? The ones that give women/black the right to vote?

and most of all, NO immigrants and an official English language.

No immigrants...but wouldn't everybody who moves to this new independent state be an immigrant? Why don't you just come out and say what you mean -- WHITES ONLY.

I'm not even going to bother with the rest of your post. You disgust me.

Zap!

11-30-2007, 10:38 PM

Which ones, in particular? The ones that give women/black the right to vote?

No, that on can stay. I am talking about the stupid ones, like the one that created the IRS, and the one that made children of immigrants born here automatic citizens. I also HATE the one that allowed direct election of US Senators.

No immigrants...but wouldn't everybody who moves to this new independent state be an immigrant? Why don't you just come out and say what you mean -- WHITES ONLY.

I'm not even going to bother with the rest of your post. You disgust me.

And intolorant liberals like you who can't listen to a different opinion disgust me, hense my old but very true sig, which said "The most intolorant peple are the ones that preach tolorance."

I'd like the new independant state to accept people born in the former US only, of any color of course. Likewise, no immigration of any country, and that includes Europe. See how tolorant I am? I hate everyone equally.

boatofcar

11-30-2007, 11:25 PM

And intolorant liberals like you who can't listen to a different opinion disgust me, hense my old but very true sig, which said "The most intolorant peple are the ones that preach tolorance."

I'm a registered Republican. But thanks for playing!

j_factor

12-01-2007, 01:31 AM

most of all, NO immigrants

Wow, you're retarded.

Please, dispense with the political bullshit. There's no need to provoke political controversy in unrelated threads. If you want to talk politics, do so in the Off-Topic forum (unless it's actually relevant to gaming). Don't threadcrap in Modern Gaming.

Fuzzball24

12-01-2007, 01:59 AM

I dunno. I personally would love to move to an independant state (which would make it a country) which doesn't have to follow the more stupid later amendments of the constitution. A state with guns for everybody, no abortions, school prayer, no ratings on video games, no more wars for oil, and most of all, NO immigrants and an official English language. Such a feat will only be acchived if states succeed from the Union. Likewise, my liberal friends can have a state with gay mariage, a ban on handguns, heathcare for ALL, etc. And the moderates can stay in the states that remain loyal to the Union. See, something for everyone, and the ONLY solution in my opinion.

It should be in the shape of a machine gun. :)

1. Guns for everybody is stupid, some of the things the government does do not make sense, but gun laws do. Hand everybody a gun, and the world will kill each other. Some people can have a gun, some can't.

2. School prayer? You gotta be kidding me. There's a reason, again, for this. It's freedom of religion and the last thing you need is one religion shoved down your throat in public school. Want prayer in school? Go private, not public. Can't afford it? Too bad.

3. No immigrants? Do you even know how a government works? It depends on immigration. Of course, LEGAL immigrants.

4. You're plan tried to work in about 1860, but it failed.

/thread

Zap!

12-01-2007, 02:34 AM

I'm a registered Republican. But thanks for playing!

So am I, but it's means nothing. Too bad the pro-war, anti-civil liberties neo-con crowd hijjacked the party.

Zap!

12-01-2007, 02:35 AM

Wow, you're retarded.

Why, because you disagree? Who's intolorant now...

Zap!

12-01-2007, 02:38 AM

1. Guns for everybody is stupid, some of the things the government does do not make sense, but gun laws do. Hand everybody a gun, and the world will kill each other. Some people can have a gun, some can't.

2. School prayer? You gotta be kidding me. There's a reason, again, for this. It's freedom of religion and the last thing you need is one religion shoved down your throat in public school. Want prayer in school? Go private, not public. Can't afford it? Too bad.

3. No immigrants? Do you even know how a government works? It depends on immigration. Of course, LEGAL immigrants.

4. You're plan tried to work in about 1860, but it failed.

/thread

I'm not trying to make friends, and won't debate the topic here anymore. I don't like to see threads go off-topic anymore than the next guy.

Anyway, the local Best Buy has completly sold out of the Zapper, and the guy told me it went fast. Guess it may be tough to find, especially with that price.

MonoTekETeA

12-01-2007, 02:42 AM

Ron Paul or Tracey Morgan, I don't give a rats ass who becomes president when I am in a thread talking about whether I want to get a Wii Zapper or a Third Party attachment. Please ya'll spare us and post a Ron Paul Thread in Off-Topic.

Hell, I'll do it for you! Here you go:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1282854#post1282854

boatofcar

12-01-2007, 02:46 AM

Why, because you disagree? Who's intolorant now...

Ok, one last thing. When you disagree with someone, it doesn't make you intolorant. It doesn't even make you intolerant.

Intolerance is not being accept other people because of their race, religion, lifestyle, or place of origin, (much like the utopian state you are building in your mind.) Disagreeing with someone's ideas does not make them intolerant.

Sorry for crapping on your thread, OP!

Zap!

12-01-2007, 02:52 AM

Ok, one last thing. When you disagree with someone, it doesn't make you intolorant. It doesn't even make you intolerant.

Intolerance is not being accept other people because of their race, religion, lifestyle, or place of origin, (much like the utopian state you are building in your mind.) Disagreeing with someone's ideas does not make them intolerant.

Sorry for crapping on your thread, OP!

Disagreeing is fine, using insults like "retarted" because of disagreement makes HIM intolorant.

BTW, I'm at that Ron Paul thread, OP!

josekortez

12-01-2007, 06:56 AM

Ron Paul or Tracey Morgan, I don't give a rats ass who becomes president when I am in a thread talking about whether I want to get a Wii Zapper or a Third Party attachment.

I'd vote for Tracey Morgan.

Ando

12-01-2007, 12:04 PM

So how about that Zapper, huh?

...you can't use light guns with non-CRT monitors. They won't work with RPTV, plasma, and LCD TV sets.

That would be why I still have a CRT in my room. :P

But still, I probably wouldn't get this. I honestly don't care for the design. Heck, I don't care for the design of the Wii Zapper. I wouldn't have gotten it if it wasn't for Link's Crossbow Training (as I'm an avid Zelda fan). Plus, where doesn't the Nunchuk go in this thing?

j_factor

12-01-2007, 12:44 PM

Disagreeing is fine, using insults like "retarted" because of disagreement makes HIM intolorant.

"Retarded" is a slang word that has strayed from its original meaning. I obviously wasn't implying that you're literally retarded. Calling you retarded doesn't make me intolerant, either. I'm not questioning your right to an opinion or your right to express it -- merely expressing my personal reaction to your post, which I found to be retarded.

I also like how you didn't respond to anything I said after that. Do you only read the first sentence of every post? Or perhaps you're just acting like a douchebag on purpose to piss me off.

I don't like to see threads go off-topic anymore than the next guy.

Bullshit. Post #15. You brought politics into this thread, pretty much out of nowhere. And don't say you didn't know discussion would erupt, when you clearly went out of your way to make a controversial statement that would provoke a reaction. And when it did, you fed into it with further incendiary statements.

I don't recall ever having an issue with you prior to this topic. But you're being a fucking troll.

j_factor

12-01-2007, 12:49 PM

....Anyway....

I have a Zapper myself, and it's kind of too bulky IMO. Not very versatile. Those handgun-style shells do look really nice. I think they'd be better for games like Ghost Squad. Considering the low price, I just might buy that Nyko Perfect Shot.

dgdgagdae

12-02-2007, 12:31 AM

actually they do make guns that work with flat panel monitors, search for a thing called the TopGun. though for me it's a non-issue since I own a crt hd set.

Are you actually able to get a lightgun to work on your HD CRT? I have one myself, and the NES Zapper does not work on it. I know the zapper works fine, as I've tested it on an SD CRT. I think it not working has more to do with HD.

RegSNES

12-02-2007, 08:12 PM

About time Nintendo's Wii Zapper came out. I'd get it over Nyko's version simply because I've had bad experience with third party gear. Now when do we get to shoot some dogs!! Er, I mean ducks?!

Nitrosport

12-02-2007, 09:04 PM

I bought a wii zapper strictly for links crossbow training. I'm gonna get the gun you posted. The wii zapper is very uncomfortable for extended use. The way the front handle is slanted makes your hand sore but that's just me.

boatofcar

12-02-2007, 09:19 PM

The way the front hanlde is slanted makes your hands soar

http://www.gombergkites.com/E-HAND1.JPG

Like this? Maybe I'm going to have to get one of these after all...

slip81

12-02-2007, 09:23 PM

Are you actually able to get a lightgun to work on your HD CRT? I have one myself, and the NES Zapper does not work on it. I know the zapper works fine, as I've tested it on an SD CRT. I think it not working has more to do with HD.

have yet to try and old NES zapper, but the first guncon works fine on it.

Nitrosport

12-02-2007, 10:20 PM

http://www.gombergkites.com/E-HAND1.JPG

Like this? Maybe I'm going to have to get one of these after all...

ROFL... Yes, like that! Sorry about the typo, I wasn't paying attention. It's fixed now :)

Gamingking

12-02-2007, 10:38 PM

That's cool, I might get that to. Though, I'm gonna get the Zapper to.

boatofcar

12-04-2007, 02:17 AM

I like this one best.

http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/12/wiilego.jpg (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gaming/lego-zapper-mod-everything-you-love-about-guns-gaming-and-legos-329482.php)

Icarus Moonsight

12-04-2007, 04:14 AM

Blocky grip is too glock for my taste. Give me a springfield or beretta anyday. LOL Is there anything Legos can't do? :D

Finally got a Zapper... was the last one at TRU and I swapped Ninjabread Man for it. YAY! Level up! ;) Now, just waiting for the Nyko gunshells... *drool*

Leo_A

12-04-2007, 11:01 AM

I do like the look of that, however, it's very similar to the gun shell that I have ...

http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/wii_lightgun.jpg

... and as I've stated before, and I'm not sure if this is a universal issue with both that style of shell AND the Wii Zapper, but the way that the Wiimote is seated in the gun shell - your shots will always register slightly HIGHER on the screen than you're expecting them to by looking down the gun "site".

I've tried to adjust the issue by placing the sensor bar on both the bottom and top of my TV set with no luck. Pointing the Wiimote without the shell seems to be more accurate.

Thats just your situation. The remote isn't designed to be aimed at something on screen with any accuracy, it will be off for everyone since it doesn't know exactly where you're pointing it at the screen. The shell is just a shell, it doesn't change the functionality of the remote or turn it into a light gun.

Frankie_Says_Relax

12-04-2007, 01:39 PM

Thats just your situation. The remote isn't designed to be aimed at something on screen with any accuracy, it will be off for everyone since it doesn't know exactly where you're pointing it at the screen. The shell is just a shell, it doesn't change the functionality of the remote or turn it into a light gun.

Well ... if it's "off for everyone" ... then it's "everyone's situation" who chooses to purchase this 3rd party peripheral or the official Wiimote Zapper and utilize them as light guns...and since Nintendo is selling the Zapper with a target shooting simulation, I'd imagine that this is a major problem.

Funny, I thought with the LED sensor bar and the on screen pointer that the Wiimote knew EXACTLY where I was pointing it on the screen. I'm aware that the hardware doesn't really "know" where the Wiimote is in a 3D space, but as far as pointing the controller at your TV screen Isn't that kind of the point (no pun intended) of the LED tracking sensor bar?

I mean, what's the point (damn, can't get away from that word) of games like Medal of Honor, Red Steel, Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles, Wii Play, Elebits, etc. if the Wii/Wiimote doesn't know EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE POINTING IT AT THE SCREEN?

The real crux of my criticism of the gun-shaped hardware that I bought and the one featured in this post (and what I suspect is the REAL issue here) is that it seats the Wiimote slightly higher than it would be if you were holding it in your hand and pointing it at the screen, causing a minor inaccuracy that can't really be adjusted ... but I think most real "gun" peripherals throughout the history of console gaming have accommodated and automatically adjusted for that, whereas, this thing (and potentially the Wiimote Zapper) don't ... since they're just plastic shells with no hardware in them.

Leo_A

12-04-2007, 03:48 PM

TheDomesticInstitution

12-04-2007, 04:04 PM

have yet to try and old NES zapper, but the first guncon works fine on it.

The old Nintendo Zapper will NOT work on any HD set or digital set for that matter- CRT or not.

Frankie_Says_Relax

12-04-2007, 04:14 PM

The whole point of the Wii mote is to accurately sense how your moving it, not where its pointing toward. The technology Nintendo is using doesn't allow it to become a light gun.

Didn't you wonder why games like this Zelda game have on screen crosshairs? Its not going to be shooting where the sights are aimed except very roughl approximation of where its aimed.

"I mean, what's the point (damn, can't get away from that word) of games like Medal of Honor, Red Steel, Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles, Wii Play, Elebits, etc. if the Wii/Wiimote doesn't know EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE POINTING IT AT THE SCREEN?"

Thats why they have on screen crosshairs, the Wii mote is basically serving a purpose like a mouse would be for a PC fps. The plastic shell is just a nice novelty to increase your immersion and take advantage of nostolgia gamers have by making it have a similar feel to light gun games of the past. If your using the sights and expecting it to be aimed precisely where the sights are, your just going to be disappointed since its not going to happen.

"The real crux of my criticism of the gun-shaped hardware that I bought and the one featured in this post (and what I suspect is the REAL issue here) is that it seats the Wiimote slightly higher than it would be if you were holding it in your hand and pointing it at the screen"

Its not aiming accurately for anyone, the technology just isn't there for that to happen if its utilizing the standard controllers. Its not a lightgun, its made to accurately detect how your moving it in 3d space and thats why games will have some sort of on screen cursor to assist you.

While you're certainly confident in your opinion on what the technology was designed for ... I simply don't buy that Nintendo designed the Wiimote with ZERO intention for it to be used as a POINT-AND-SHOOT technology, with accurate aiming being an inherent design quality.

I mean, even the earliest promo videos for the Wiimote (which simply showed people over-excitedly using the device) showed them using it as a "light gun".

And, while I can agree with the sentiment that it's "less than accurate" in certain situations, forcing the addition of on-screen targeting reticules ... I again, can't agree that it's not meant to be used in some capacity as a "point and shoot" (aka light gun) peripheral.

The evidence for this is too overwhelming - from video demonstrations, to launch software, to 1st party software like Wii Play and Carnival Games, to Nintendo's OFFICIAL hardware release of the "Wii Zapper" ... the concept that the Wiimote was "NEVER INTENDED TO BE A LIGHT GUN" ... well, that just doesn't hold water with me.

j_factor

12-04-2007, 11:37 PM

While you're certainly confident in your opinion on what the technology was designed for ... I simply don't buy that Nintendo designed the Wiimote with ZERO intention for it to be used as a POINT-AND-SHOOT technology, with accurate aiming being an inherent design quality.

I mean, even the earliest promo videos for the Wiimote (which simply showed people over-excitedly using the device) showed them using it as a "light gun".

And, while I can agree with the sentiment that it's "less than accurate" in certain situations, forcing the addition of on-screen targeting reticules ... I again, can't agree that it's not meant to be used in some capacity as a "point and shoot" (aka light gun) peripheral.

The evidence for this is too overwhelming - from video demonstrations, to launch software, to 1st party software like Wii Play and Carnival Games, to Nintendo's OFFICIAL hardware release of the "Wii Zapper" ... the concept that the Wiimote was "NEVER INTENDED TO BE A LIGHT GUN" ... well, that just doesn't hold water with me.

Did you not understand the mouse analogy? That's how the Wii remote is meant to work. There's a PC version of House of the Dead in which you play the game with the mouse. That's exactly how "light gun" games on the Wii are.

The technology simply doesn't exist (or is impractical) to have precision accuracy and be compatible with a variety of TV sets. The old light guns were right on because they worked on a scanline basis. But that only works on analog, standard-definition televisions. All the "HD light guns" available are just as inaccurate as the Wii remote. You can only aim against the sensor bar, not directly at the screen.

Frankie_Says_Relax

12-05-2007, 01:28 AM

Did you not understand the mouse analogy? That's how the Wii remote is meant to work. There's a PC version of House of the Dead in which you play the game with the mouse. That's exactly how "light gun" games on the Wii are.

The technology simply doesn't exist (or is impractical) to have precision accuracy and be compatible with a variety of TV sets. The old light guns were right on because they worked on a scanline basis. But that only works on analog, standard-definition televisions. All the "HD light guns" available are just as inaccurate as the Wii remote. You can only aim against the sensor bar, not directly at the screen.

I can't believe that I'm even having a discussion like this.

You know, every consecutive day that I spend on video game message boards, I'm further convinced that people are contradictory simply for the sake of being contradictory.

I understand the "mouse" analogy, and I also understand how the technology works.

However, it appears that what I'm saying is going completely ignored -

- regardless of what means to an end Nintendo uses to emulate the act of pointing the Wiimote at the screen and shooting at it - the mere CREATION of both SOFTWARE and a PERIPHERAL by Nintendo and other developers (EA, UbiSoft, Capcom, etc.) that either directly or indirectly emulates standard "light gun" gameplay is reason enough to not support a claim that it was quote-unquote "NEVER MEANT TO BE USED AS A LIGHT GUN".

I understand that it doesn't function like a screen flash x,y scanline position capture light gun. But this evolutionary feature has as much to do with advancements in television technology as it does the "innovations" presented by Nintendo and the Wiimote.

Since you brought up Time Crisis 4 ... which, you claim to be "inaccurate" as, I guess ... what, a limitation of the technology? (something that I also don't buy as a blanket statement, but I'm not going to get into an ancillary debate over it)

so, regardless of what you think of the "accuracy" - the GunCon 3 uses LED sensors with technology that mirror the Wiimote. Would you call the GunCon 3 "not a light gun" and "never meant to be used as a light gun"?

And, AGAIN - WHY did Nintendo create the Wii Zapper if in certain games the Wiimote is NOT supposed to at the very least emulate light-gun style action?

Seriously, this discussion is borderline freaking ABSURD. I can't believe I'm having it, and I really can't see any reason to continue it.

So ... if you don't believe that the Wiimote was never meant to be utilized as a light gun, then, please, by all means, NEVER use it as one. I'll never fault you for it. And henceforth, just agree to disagree with me. Thank you, goodnight and god speed.