Bring Back the Dreamcast!! [Archive] - Retrogaming Roundtable

Pantechnicon

12-05-2007, 11:49 AM

If they released another system, it'd have nothing new going for it. It's not easy to try and get into a market that you are a known failure at with nothing but nostalgia

QFT, which is why Atari fans like myself have to settle for things like the Atari Flashback as opposed to, say, the Atari Phoenix.

Same situation with the Dreamcast, of which I am also especially fond. A Dreamcast 2, like the Phoenix, is wishful thinking at best. Sega has bowed out of the hardware market for good. Enjoy what they gave you and let that be the end of it.

Captain Wrong

12-05-2007, 12:07 PM

Funny thing is, I just knew, at the time, while seemingly all the world was hating on the DC, it was going to be a console looked at very fondly in hindsight.

As has been mentioned, the Sega of today, just isn't what the Sega of 9/9/99 was. If Sega at the height of their power as a game maker couldn't capture the public's imagination (and overcome the copious amounts of "OMG remember the 32X,Saturn,SegaCD, etc." in the press,) they sure aren't going to do it now as a much weaker company.

IMHO, what made the DC a killer console was the perfect NAOMI ports. I think there's even less acceptance of true arcade games today then there was seven years ago. If there was to be a true DC 2, it'd have an even tougher time as today's gamers see those kind of games as a $5 download/light snack game as opposed to the full meal deal of a 3000 hours of gameplay and full cinematics, etc. kind of game. (Plus, having been in a top of the line Japanese arcade in the last six months, there just isn't a whole lot out there to port home anyway.)

Poofta!

12-05-2007, 01:43 PM

otoko

12-05-2007, 02:45 PM

im not looking back at it fondly... i disliked the system then, and dislike it now. i bought it when it came out and it was a complete waste of money.

WHYYYY is everyone always saying how amazing and great it was and how its they fav blah blah blah. it had NOTHING that other systems didnt already have (or in ps2's case, got soon thereafter). the library sucked, how many freaking fighting games can one console have? it had good sports games for the time it lasted, but cmon, 2k moved rather quickly and wonderfully. the controller was by far the absolute worse POS ever (well ok, maybe jaguar beats that out, but dc comes close). sega games have sucked since 16bit ended, the speed at which the saturn died in the US shouldve hinted at how well the dc would do. bad corporate management. bad 3rd party support. bad games. few games. what is there to love?!

let it die. in fact, throw some more dirt on its grave and make a baseball field out of it.

dot dot dot... I know that's your own opinion... but you seem like one in a sea of difference in this situation. Being that negatively vocal like that might not be the best of things.

now if you excuse me.. My Dreamcast needs to be played..

BTW:

I own the PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox.

out of those
My Xbox is only useful as Halo 2 with friends (otherwise I'd only use it as a DVD player never really interested in any games that came out of it)

My Phatstation 2 has not had the laser eye replaced.. (use it so little because I don't find that many games I can play for long... or wantto play)

And my Gamecube ... when was the last time I found a game I wanted to buy for that thing... over a year at least.. maybe a year and a half..

All opinion.. don't go flapping your jaw like you have. Please just leave your opinion as something more friendly. Don't go flying off the handle just because you dislike a system.

ubersaurus

12-05-2007, 02:58 PM

Dude, I think the main reason the dreamcast has been played as long as it has with my friends and I is the fighting games and the shootemups. It had a lot of good ones of both.

Granted some of them have been superceded by superior ports on the PS2 or xbox. But I don't have to go through the trouble of modding my PS2 and hope it doesn't break down to play them.

XYXZYZ

12-05-2007, 03:05 PM

The only thing I use Dreamcast for is Under Defeat, Trigger Heart and Ikaruga. (And Border Down if I'm feeling masochistic)

Other than that I really don't know what's available on it. (I already have the fighters on other formats and I don't like 3D games.)

ryborg

12-05-2007, 03:08 PM

I bought my Dreamcast solely for Virtua Tennis. Everything else has been a pleasant surprise.

Steve W

12-05-2007, 03:20 PM

Atari fans like myself have to settle for things like the Atari Flashback as opposed to, say, the Atari Phoenix.

I had to stop and remark on that name. What a cool name for a new Atari console!

I've always liked the Sega Dreamcast too. But I don't see them getting back into the market. If they did, they'd probably have a partnership with an already established console manufacturer. Maybe strike a deal with Sony to help provide software support for the PS4, for example.

Poofta!

12-05-2007, 03:26 PM

dot dot dot... I know that's your own opinion... but you seem like one in a sea of difference in this situation. Being that negatively vocal like that might not be the best of things.

now if you excuse me.. My Dreamcast needs to be played..

BTW:

I own the PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox.

out of those
My Xbox is only useful as Halo 2 with friends (otherwise I'd only use it as a DVD player never really interested in any games that came out of it)

My Phatstation 2 has not had the laser eye replaced.. (use it so little because I don't find that many games I can play for long... or wantto play)

And my Gamecube ... when was the last time I found a game I wanted to buy for that thing... over a year at least.. maybe a year and a half..

All opinion.. don't go flapping your jaw like you have. Please just leave your opinion as something more friendly. Don't go flying off the handle just because you dislike a system.

what games are you gonna go play on it?! honestly please tell me? is it the 100+ dollar indie shmups? or the million times rereleased in much cheaper versions with better controllers fighting games?

what does the DC have? most (read: not all) people who are omgwtfbbq horny for the dreamcast have a stack of cdrs next to it. of course its nice to have a system that you never have to buy games for and imports are only a boot disk and another pirate away. in which case sit there quietly and download games but dont go out saying how amazing of a system it is, cause if you had to pay for each game, you wouldnt.

the dc is fun for diehard collectors, but there arent as many of them as people i hear yelling at the top of their lungs how amazing and awesome and bonerific the DC is/was.

let.it.die.

otoko

12-05-2007, 03:49 PM

what games are you gonna go play on it?! honestly please tell me? is it the 100+ dollar indie shmups? or the million times rereleased in much cheaper versions with better controllers fighting games?

what does the DC have? most (read: not all) people who are omgwtfbbq horny for the dreamcast have a stack of cdrs next to it. of course its nice to have a system that you never have to buy games for and imports are only a boot disk and another pirate away. in which case sit there quietly and download games but dont go out saying how amazing of a system it is, cause if you had to pay for each game, you wouldnt.

the dc is fun for diehard collectors, but there arent as many of them as people i hear yelling at the top of their lungs how amazing and awesome and bonerific the DC is/was.

let.it.die.

I don't have any CD-Rs for my Dreamcast. What I do have is..

Shenmue
Toy Commander
San Francisco Rush 2049
Slave Zero
Floigan Bros. Episode 1
Jet Grind Radio
Space Channel 5
Crazy Taxi
Crazy Taxi 2
Evolution-The World of Sacred Device
Evolution 2- Far Off Promise
Hydro Thunder
The Ring: Terror's Realm
Skies Of Arcadia
Grandia II
Seaman /w Microphone
Wetrix+
Centipede
Urban Chaos
Aerowings
Daytona USA
Phantasy Star Online (ver. 1)
Armada
Time Stalkers
Sega Smashpack Volume 1
Alone in the Dark: The New Nightmare
D2
Coaster Works
Legacy Of Kain: Soul Reaver
Sonic Adventure Limited Edition
Maken X
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
Plasma Sword
Wild Metal
F355 Challenge Passione Rossa
Sega Rally 2
ChuChu Rocket!
Sonic Adventure
Feet of Fury
Sonic Adventure 2
Star Wars: Episode I Jedi Power Battles
Star Wars: Episode I Racer
Bust-A-Move 4
Roadsters
Nightmare Creatures II
Ecco The Dolphin Defender of the Future
Silver
South Park Chef's Luv Shack
Namco Museum
Frogger 2
Omikron: The Nomad Soul

Mkay. Besides the whole point of that post was to say bring yourself down a bit.. Your making this a bigger deal than you should

8bitgamer

12-05-2007, 03:53 PM

I thought Soul Fighter was a pretty cool game.

Sweater Fish Deluxe

12-05-2007, 04:05 PM

the dc is fun for diehard collectors, but there arent as many of them as people i hear yelling at the top of their lungs how amazing and awesome and bonerific the DC is/was.
Obviously there's more of them than there are people who agree with you, so I don't quite follow your point.

I could list all the games I love on the Dreamcast (Cool Cool Toon) and go on and on about them (Armada) and how they're the most solid (Mars Matrix) collection (Sakura Taisen 3) of deeply playable (Shenmue 2) and arcade style (Rez) games I've ever found on one console (Seaman), but I don't know (Napple Tale) if that would mean anything (Bangai-O) to you (Dynamite Cop). Isn't it possible (Lack Of Love) that the Dreamcast just doesn't have any games you like (Grandia 2), but that other people (Jojo's Bizarre Adventure) would like those same games (Skies Of Arcadia) a whole hell of a lot (Headhunter)? Certainly it wouldn't be the first time (Virtual On: Oratorio Tangram) you'd discovered that other people (Jet Grind Radio) liked something you didn't (King Of Fighters: Dream Match '99), would it (House Of The Dead 2)? I'll be the first to admit (Looney Tunes Space Race) that the Dreamcast (Sports Jam) has a uniquely limited library (Sonic Adventure). It is undeniably lacking (Tokyo Bus Guide) in certain genres (Super Runabout), but at the same time (Psyvariar 2) it has a wonderful abundance (Soul Calibur) of games in certain other genres (Toy Commander). Perhaps it's just that I (Sword Of The Berzerk)--and apparently a lot of other people (Virtua Tennis)--really like those latter genres (Test Drive Le Mans) and don't care so much about the former (Typing Of The Dead), while perhaps you (Fire ProWrestling D)--and only a handful of other people (Street Fighter 3: Third Strike) it would seem (Metropolis Street Racer)--are more concerned with what's missing (Ooga Booga) on the DC (Ready 2 Rumble) than what's actually there (Dynamite Cop). Such is life (Twinkle Star Sprites). Need I go on?

...word is bondage...

otoko

12-05-2007, 04:11 PM

Obviously there's more of them than there are people who agree with you, so I don't quite follow your point.

I could list all the games I love on the Dreamcast (Cool Cool Toon) and go on and on about them (Armada) and how they're the most solid (Mars Matrix) collection (Sakura Taisen 3) of deeply playable (Shenmue 2) and arcade style (Rez) games I've ever found on one console (Seaman), but I don't know (Napple Tale) if that would mean anything (Bangai-O) to you (Dynamite Cop). Isn't it possible (Lack Of Love) that the Dreamcast just doesn't have any games you like (Grandia 2), but that other people (Jojo's Bizarre Adventure) would like those same games (Skies Of Arcadia) a whole hell of a lot (Headhunter)? Certainly it wouldn't be the first time (Virtual On: Oratorio Tangram) you'd discovered that other people (Jet Grind Radio) liked something you didn't (King Of Fighters: Dream Match '99), would it (House Of The Dead 2)? I'll be the first to admit (Looney Tunes Space Race) that the Dreamcast (Sports Jam) has a uniquely limited library (Sonic Adventure). It is undeniably lacking (Tokyo Bus Guide) in certain genres (Super Runabout), but at the same time (Psyvariar 2) it has a wonderful abundance (Soul Calibur) of games in certain other genres (Toy Commander). Perhaps it's just that I (Sword Of The Berzerk)--and apparently a lot of other people (Virtua Tennis)--really like those latter genres (Test Drive Le Mans) and don't care so much about the former (Typing Of The Dead), while perhaps you (Fire ProWrestling D)--and only a handful of other people (Street Fighter 3: Third Strike) it would seem (Metropolis Street Racer)--are more concerned with what's missing (Ooga Booga) on the DC (Ready 2 Rumble) than what's actually there (Dynamite Cop). Such is life (Twinkle Star Sprites). Need I go on?

...word is bondage...

Couldn't put it any better myself.

ianoid

12-05-2007, 04:15 PM

Detractors aside, I do like Dreamcast a ton. Outright I can say 4 player is a huge advantage over PS2, and when I have Game Night (tm) the DC is a top priority, next to 4 player 2600 paddle games (alright, that means Warlords.) There are alot of games redone on other consoles after the fact, but they were done right on DC to begin with, like Virtua Tennis, Crazy Taxi, Crazy Taxi 2, Phantasy Star Online (never got into like most others did), Chu Chu Rocket, Sonic Adventure (honestly, never played it) many more.

RIP Sega. I am pronouncing them dead now, before they do more damage to besmirch the legacy. << looking at watch >> How long before a second rate publisher buys the name a crushes it into dust like Infogrames did with Atari?

I'd love to see another Sega console generation, but then again with the crap they've been making for the last 5 years, I can't imagine there being a single title worth buying it for.

The most realistic and hopeful future for the Dreamcast has to be XBLA game downloads. Until that happens, DC will remain in my top 5 consoles of all time.

mailman187666

12-05-2007, 04:17 PM

I loved a lot of the dreamcast library. I found Sword of the Berserk to be pretty fun. Great system and still love it today. I don't have any Cdrs for mine either and still go into game shops and browse the dreamcast section for some fun games I haven't played yet. I will admit I am a collector but I am a gamer as well. As a gamer, I think dreamcast has a solid library with only a few shitty games. I like a lot of games though so my opinion is a little more optomistic then a lot of others. Games are games and no matter what system they are on, if they are playable, I'll play them.

smokehouse

12-05-2007, 04:46 PM

I've always looked at the DC as the "Little system that could have been great"...

There are some good exclusive titles that never saw a re-release on other systems but those are only a handful, most of the DC library is either outdated all to hell (especially the racing titles) or mediocre crap...the system itself is beautiful though...even to this day. Kind of a "pre-Wii" with a happy-go-lucky look, feel, approach and most of all, experience. Unlike the cold, calculating XBox and PS2, the DC felt like a little cute buddy from some reason...I feel that again with the Wii.

Sadly enough it was just too little too late and the industry could have never supported 4 consoles (PS2, XBox, GC and DC)...one had to bite the dust and sadly it wasn't the F-ing XBox..

I had a MIB DC and loved the little guy...sadly he and I parted ways so I could buy a Neo Geo...to this day I only slightly (and I mean slightly) regret it.

I will agree that the DC is D-O-N-E and so is Sega as a console maker...there will always be fond memories but that's as far as it goes for me.

DeputyMoniker

12-05-2007, 05:57 PM

Sega already tried this "One more time" scenario, it's called the Dreamcast and it didn't end well. Take everything he said about the DC and apply it to the Saturn. now take everything he said about the Saturn and apply it to the Genny. Now take everything he said about the "Dreamcast 2" and apply it to the actual DC. Now replace the entire story with "This isn't just a fantasy...it's history. It happened already."

Poofta!

12-05-2007, 06:16 PM

otoko: most of your games are either already on other systems, or are rather bad, sorry... but this is like your sport games genny library.

sweater fish, out of all the games you list, which are US, DC exclusives? like 9? and out of those, can you honestly tell me, that it was worth buying a sega dreamcast for, and paying full retail for these?

you see, once a systems dies, is abandoned by its publisher, in fact makes its publisher get out of the business entirely (almost bankrupting them)... that system is... well... a failure. nevertheless, since it is now dirt cheap, and even the expensive games are a fraction of their former retail price (of course not all), suddently, one sees benefit to such a console. also if they are they type that will go down with a sinking ship proclaiming its the best ship they ever sailed on.

unfortunately (fortunately) i have no sentiment attached to this console, in fact i see it for what it was: a failure, a huge let down, and a complete waste of a consumer's money (at the time). do i own one? yes, in fact i own two (regular and sega sport black edition) i even have a couple games, (some which both of us consider good), that doesnt change the fact that i still think the way i do.

sisko

12-05-2007, 06:32 PM

Where did he get that 323 number? I count 279 *including* print variations.

Anyway, the Dreamcast is by far my favorite system. Say what you might about the lacking library, but there were a number of solid gems not available on any other console (domestically, anyway) Gundam Side Stories FTW.

That being said, Sega is done. If they were to release new hardware, it would be as niche, and probably more so, as the Neo-Geo. Failure would quickly follow.

Sweater Fish Deluxe

12-05-2007, 06:49 PM

sweater fish, out of all the games you list, which are US, DC exclusives? like 9?
I don't know and I don't really care. I'm not even following your reasoning with this question. Exclusive? Why would that matter? A good game is a good game. Just because it's available on another console as well, doesn't mean it suddenly becomes worthless. U.S. releases? We live in a global community. Games from Japan, Europe and North America are all equally available to me and I take advantage of that fact with all of my systems.

and out of those, can you honestly tell me, that it was worth buying a sega dreamcast for, and paying full retail for these?
Yes. Absolutely. Without hesitation.

you see, once a systems dies, is abandoned by its publisher, in fact makes its publisher get out of the business entirely (almost bankrupting them)... that system is... well... a failure. nevertheless, since it is now dirt cheap, and even the expensive games are a fraction of their former retail price (of course not all), suddently, one sees benefit to such a console. also if they are they type that will go down with a sinking ship proclaiming its the best ship they ever sailed on.
Every system we talk about on these forums is dead and abandoned by its publisher and yet everyone here loves at least one of them, so I guess I'm just not following your reasoning on this point either.

...word is bondage...

digitalpress

12-05-2007, 07:01 PM

People who beat down dead systems are either misinformed (this is most common in your Virtual Boy, 3DO or Jaguar beater) or jealous collectors missing important titles (Saturn and Dreamcast).

Don't feed people like this. There is no reason to post in a "Bring back [insert favorite dead system here]" if you DISlike the system, think about it. Then read my explanations on the previous line.

FWIW I have a complete Dreamcast collection and I still love the system, as do many many people who visit the store. It may be gone but to true fans it will never be forgotten.

smokehouse

12-05-2007, 07:09 PM

Sweater Fish…

I think what Poofta trying to get across is that failure of the DC and that effect on many of the original DC fans.

I put personal ownership on it by relating to the N64…as a Nintendo fan I was completely let down by that system after launch. Was it really all that bad? Not really, I just view it that way…like a cheating wife or something. Mostly unfounded but it’s the way I feel. That feeling used to reflect in ANYTHING I posted about the N64...finally I decided to let it go and leave it be.

I think what he’s trying to get across is the failure aspect of the DC…which it was…miserable. It was fully supported by Sega less than 2 years (9/99 to 1/01)…that pretty much means that it was a complete failure (really sad but true). To the fans it was an is a great little system but to many others...a complete failure. Some are really sour about this because they were such huge Sega fans.

Possibly he’s jaded?...

otoko

12-05-2007, 07:10 PM

I was just trying to make the point to voice your opinion in a different way. He seems hell bent on making all of us angry at him for some reason...

heh.

By they way. Thank you Digital Press.. I swear one day I'm going to drive out to your store!

it's on my To Do List.

mezrabad

12-05-2007, 07:24 PM

Yes it failed, but I love it anyway.

Don't feed the troll.

CosmicMonkey

12-05-2007, 07:34 PM

The DC is an excellent console for arcade games. If you're wanting to play 3D platformers and the such, you're better off with a PS2 or whatever. But if arcade gaming is your thing then the DC is a great machine. That's not to say the DC hasn't got anything to offer other than arcade style games, but it isn't the greatest selection and most have appeared on other machines; Fur Fighters for instance.

The DC has excellent conversions of Naomi shooters and fighting games which are generally superior to the versions that have appeared on other consoles. And the DC games that do have a better version available on another system (3rd Strike for instance) are still perfectly playable on the DC and absolutely excellent unless you're really picky. It's not exactly hard to burn a Boot CD or do the region switch mod to get some import Under Defeat action on the go either.

I'll agree that the DC pad isn't the best controller in the world, but the Sega Arcade Stick is excellent. If you're serious about shooters and fighting games you really should have one of these. The official Sega gun is another great peripheral; pity its only real use is HotD2. The fishing controller is excellent for Bass and Marine Fishing and the Twin Sticks are quality and really needed for VO:OT. I never had the official steering wheel but the MadCatz one, which I really liked. So at least all the Arcade conversion were supported by the appropriate peripherals.

The Dreamcast/Naomi did get an arcade-only successor: the Naomi 2. If you look at the spec of the Naomi2 (http://www.system16.com/hardware.php?id=725) it's a cracking bit of kit. Admittedly there's few games for the system and the last few Naomi games to be released are on Naomi1 cart. But imagine if Sega had been in a position to release a home version of Naomi2.....

But back on topic:

Personally, I think the system is perfectly viable today. The DC outputs an absolutely beautiful RGB signal and an excellent VGA signal so it can be used with LCD/Plasma tellys that have a VGA input. If the online support was available, and another production run of Broad Band/Network Adapters was made available than you'd have a excellent cheap online gaming machine. The DreamEye webcam and microphone peripherals already exist, and both would benefit from a BB adapter and an online chat service. It's also possible to interface a HDD with the DC which would benefit the online-side of the system and make downloadable Master System or Mega Drive games a possibility.

So here we have a pretty powerful console with VGA output, Broad Band online capabilities, a Web cam,microphone, keyboard and mouse and the possibility of a HDD for storage. Sounds pretty 'Next-Gen' to me. Viable today? I say Yes.

diskoboy

12-05-2007, 07:51 PM

Well - there goes Pooftas credibility.

I've been gaming since 1979, and the Dreamcast is still the best console have ever owned. But I will say this - even if Sega put the DC back on the market, I probably wouldn't support it, and here's why....

Sega used to make games years ahead of their time. Nowadays, Sega makes one stupid mistake after another (no NiGHTS for US PS2's is a prime example).

Sega was a credible company when the US and Japanese branches were seperate entities, and the US branch had more influence than the Japanese branch. But once the Japanese took over the company, the have done nothing short of running the company in the ground.

Not to mention, the only good game designer left at Sega is Yu Suzuki. And it's like Sega shoved him in a closet, locked the door, and threw away the key - the last game I heard Suzuki-san was working on was Psy-Phi, about 3 years ago. It's like he dropped off the face of the earth. Aside from that, Sega is all but dead, any way you look at it.

Now - Time to play some Jet Set Radio.

otoko

12-05-2007, 07:51 PM

Personally, I think the system is perfectly viable today. The DC outputs an absolutely beautiful RGB signal and an excellent VGA signal so it can be used with LCD/Plasma tellys that have a VGA input. If the online support was available, and another production run of Broad Band/Network Adapters was made available than you'd have a excellent cheap online gaming machine. The DreamEye webcam and microphone peripherals already exist, and both would benefit from a BB adapter and an online chat service. It's also possible to interface a HDD with the DC which would benefit the online-side of the system and make downloadable Master System or Mega Drive games a possibility.

So here we have a pretty powerful console with VGA output, Broad Band online capabilities, a Web cam,microphone, keyboard and mouse and the possibility of a HDD for storage. Sounds pretty 'Next-Gen' to me. Viable today? I say Yes.

Sounds like something for a company to do!

Sega_Naomi

12-05-2007, 08:00 PM

If it would happen it would be the greatest day in gaming history ^_^

I would love to see Sega Try it one more time in Console gaming system & act

more inteligent like Nintendo Did with the Wii & nintendo Ds

smokehouse

12-05-2007, 08:24 PM

So here we have a pretty powerful console with VGA output, Broad Band online capabilities, a Web cam,microphone, keyboard and mouse and the possibility of a HDD for storage. Sounds pretty 'Next-Gen' to me. Viable today? I say Yes.

I was right there with you until the end...

The Wii is considered grossly underpowered considering the massive power of the 360 and PS3. It has a 729MHz proc and FAR superior graphic processing than the DC could ever hope to have. Basically, the now underpowered Wii would run circles around the DC..

For it's time the DC was way advanced in terms of features and approach (like I said earlier, I feel the approach the DC took was rather revolutionary and the Wii is really similar...some could say Nintendo either copied Sega or continued where they left off) but to say that a console designed in the late 90's would be competitive almost 10 years later (hardware speaking...I know the DC was released in late '99) is just over the top...

A rerelease of the DC would crash and burn immediately and get zero support from any of the top game designers.

Sad but true.

CosmicMonkey

12-05-2007, 08:57 PM

I agree with you. As a machine, I do believe it's still a viable bit of kit, but the market would never support it. Which is a terrible shame.

However, what about if a 3rd party company was to come along and release a HDD device for the DC community. Something that looks very similar to the Karaoke/Zip unit but with built-in ethernet, HDD slot, VGA and Component output and maybe USB ports. It'd be interesting to see what the DC homebrew community could come up with using such a device.

monkeysuit

12-05-2007, 09:40 PM

While I love the idea of Sega producing a new console, there's a lot of things holding me back from wanting them to. If Sega can't even put out a decent Sonic game these days, I'd really hate to see what they do with a new console.

We can dream though...

ghsqb

12-05-2007, 09:46 PM

The DC is the most underrated console ever IMHO.
It deserved a better fate.
It's funny, because my room o doom is downstairs, and when I gave my 5 year old son permission to take any 1 console upstairs to the living room for him to use, his choice was the Dreamcast.

Sega got it right with that one, the games were just really fun to play.

My buddies and I would spend hours playing Sega Marine Fishing just to get all the unlockables and trick out the aquarium...and because it was a damn fun game to play. And we don't even like fishing games.

I could go on and on about the great games on this system, but there's really no point, to 99% of the people in this thread, I'd be preaching to the choir.

ProgrammingAce

12-06-2007, 12:22 AM

You guys *got* a Dreamcast 2 and the sales of Sega software sucked.

Pop quiz:
Q: What company secretly helped Microsoft develop the Xbox?
A: Sega!

Q: Why do early Xbox prototypes have a connector for Sega's arcade system?
A: Because Sega was helping MS develop the hardware!

Q: Who was the person who bridged the gap between Sega and MS?
A: Peter More!

And the final, and most important question for this quiz:

Q: Why did the partnership between MS and Sega fail?
A: Because sales figures for Sega's exclusives on the Xbox sucked.

It turns out, people wern't willing to drop $50 on Sega's games because they were used to getting them for free on the Dreamcast. Sega learned a valuable lesson from this whole debacle.

Eggman

12-06-2007, 02:17 AM

How were they getting them for free on the Dreamcast?

Snapple

12-06-2007, 02:40 AM

I'm not sure why that blog post got so many diggs. It's not a news item, or an entertaining video. It's just a guy saying he likes his Dreamcast.

But the Dreamcast was a great system. It did have good games, and I was sorry when they pulled the plug on it early.

boatofcar

12-06-2007, 03:26 AM

Looks like Czech children are still feeling the Dreamcast love. (http://kotaku.com/gaming/oddities/czech-children-learn-about-dreamcast-console-330611.php)

http://kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/12/dreamcast-czech-domination-1.jpg

DigitalSpace

12-06-2007, 04:52 AM

How were they getting them for free on the Dreamcast?

It's pretty easy to burn a Dreamcast game on a CD-R, and most consoles will play them. Some don't even require a boot disc.

DeputyMoniker

12-06-2007, 08:59 AM

How were they getting them for free on the Dreamcast?

Start Googling the relationship between the DC and piracy.
You're about to read a sad, sad story.

AcePuppy

12-06-2007, 09:14 AM

Yes DC had a problem when it came to piracy, but piracy wasn't like it was 8 years ago like it is today. Torrents weren't around for one and file sharing software/websites weren't being shutdown on a daily basis by the MPAA and RIAA. If DC was released today I'm sure you wouldn't be able to play burned cames unless it had a mod chip (like you can do with every system anyhow) and if you do a simple trick on the PS2 you can play burned cames without using a mod chip.

Rob2600

12-06-2007, 10:40 AM

Yes DC had a problem when it came to piracy, but piracy wasn't like it was 8 years ago like it is today.

It wasn't? I remember in the late 1990s and early 2000s, many people who shopped at my video game store asked if we sold PlayStation mod chips, if we modded PlayStations, or if we knew where they could buy cheap copied games. I also remember people selling copied PlayStation games on CD-R at the arcade for $5 to $10 each. It was one of the reasons why many people were still buying old PlayStations in 2000:

Customer: "Hi, I'd like to buy a PlayStation."

Me: "Are you sure? We also have the Nintendo 64 and the Dreamcast in stock and they're the same price."

Customer: "I know, but my friend can copy PlayStation games for me for free."

Me: "But the graphics aren't as good, the loading times are much longer, you can't play four-player games unless you buy a separate adapter, and the console will probably stop working properly after a year."

Customer: "Who cares? Free games!"

It was nuts. I guess people's standards go way down when they get things for free.

XYXZYZ

12-06-2007, 11:11 AM

I thought "Dreamcast" was the weirdest name for a game console until the Wii came along, but it's still pretty strange.

Sweater Fish Deluxe

12-06-2007, 11:50 AM

I was right there with you until the end...

The Wii is considered grossly underpowered considering the massive power of the 360 and PS3. It has a 729MHz proc and FAR superior graphic processing than the DC could ever hope to have. Basically, the now underpowered Wii would run circles around the DC..
The Wii may be "considered grossly underpowered" by some people, but that doesn't really seem to be affecting its popularity. Maybe the video game market has finally grown up and realized that there's more important things than power in a video game console. (But more likely not.)

For it's time the DC was way advanced in terms of features and approach (like I said earlier, I feel the approach the DC took was rather revolutionary and the Wii is really similar...some could say Nintendo either copied Sega or continued where they left off) but to say that a console designed in the late 90's would be competitive almost 10 years later (hardware speaking...I know the DC was released in late '99) is just over the top...
You mean sort of over the top like a little system that came out in 1990 only to have its most fruitful period 10 years later when games like Metal Slug 3, Garou: Mark Of The Wolves, Last Blade 2 and the later KoF games were coming out?

Keep in mind that we're talking about a very different sort of console here, not something that would compete on a 1:1 basis with whatever Microsoft or Sony or even Nintendo are doing. Of course you're right that it's ridiculously unlikely to happen, but that's only because of misconceptions about what success entails like yours.

...word is bondage...

neopeius

12-06-2007, 04:26 PM

Something I haven't seen mentioned is the wealth of Japanese games available for Sega systems. Both the Saturn and the Dreamcast had huge libraries--and much more than sports games, I can tells ya :)

Of course, you have to learn Japanese to enjoy them. I bought the Saturn solely on the strength of the Utena RPG, and the Dreamcast for Napple Tale. But my Saturn collection now numbers several dozen games (including the classic, Tokimeki Memorial, and all of the Angelique games).

So it's easy to condemn Sega of America for their lackluster gaming choices, though obviously they secured a loyal following. But when you factor in the huge Japanese selection, then the Saturn and Dreamcast are awesome.

segagamer

12-06-2007, 04:39 PM

Sega will never ever bring back the Dreamcast, so let's just put a stop to all these rumors and fanboy hopefuls and call it a day.

boatofcar

12-07-2007, 12:36 AM

Sega will never ever bring back the Dreamcast, so let's just put a stop to all these rumors and fanboy hopefuls and call it a day.

Well, time to go home. Segagamer said so.

Icarus Moonsight

12-07-2007, 01:25 PM

Perhaps they have seen an in with the Wii's newly opened markets? I'm sure many casuals that are buying up Wii stuff like mad have never heard of Dreamcast and it would be very cheap.

I'll admit I'm hoping against the odds (and the segagamer suggested ban) for a DC2 but, it would be so kick ass. :D

zemmix

12-07-2007, 01:35 PM

You know what I was thinking, Microsoft seems to be having such a hard time in Japan. Maybe they should buy a stake in Sega and re-release the 360 (albeit redesigned to look different and with better quality) as a Sega system in Japan. Or the next MS system after the 360. With Sega's name on it and all of their software going exclusively to the system I wonder if it would do better. Oh and bring back the VMU.

Sweater Fish Deluxe

12-07-2007, 01:47 PM

Except that Sega have an even worse reputation in Japan than they do in the U.S. If people think the Dreamcast failed in the U.S., they should take a look at how it did in Japan. It was the Japanese sales that killed the Dreamcast, not U.S. sales (and certainly not piracy, I might add).

Of course, Microsoft seem to have an even worse reputation in Japan than Sega, so maybe it would still be a good idea for them.

...word is bondage...

skylark

12-07-2007, 04:42 PM

im not looking back at it fondly... i disliked the system then, and dislike it now. i bought it when it came out and it was a complete waste of money.

WHYYYY is everyone always saying how amazing and great it was and how its they fav blah blah blah. it had NOTHING that other systems didnt already have (or in ps2's case, got soon thereafter). the library sucked, how many freaking fighting games can one console have? it had good sports games for the time it lasted, but cmon, 2k moved rather quickly and wonderfully. the controller was by far the absolute worse POS ever (well ok, maybe jaguar beats that out, but dc comes close). sega games have sucked since 16bit ended, the speed at which the saturn died in the US shouldve hinted at how well the dc would do. bad corporate management. bad 3rd party support. bad games. few games. what is there to love?!

let it die. in fact, throw some more dirt on its grave and make a baseball field out of it.

I pretty much agree, so we're a minority of two. I don't get emotional about it or anything, and I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but it just did nothing for me. I like the aesthetics of it, and some of the games look beautiful, but I just couldn't get into them. On the other hand, that so many people love this system is an indication that I'm the one who's missing something. Plus, I really like the Xbox. Guess I won't make many friends in this thread. Alas.