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dusty
12-08-2007, 09:03 PM
I have about 12 more PS2 games to finish before I move onto the 360. Which of these 3 RPGs should I play through? I am interested in all 3 but don't want to devote months to beating them all.

So which one and why?

Cryomancer
12-08-2007, 09:07 PM
Dragon Quest 8 is awesome. I don't even like fantasy RPGs, but that is a good damn game.

Otherwise, my suggestion would be to play some Digital Devil Saga or something.

dusty
12-08-2007, 09:18 PM
We're almost neighbors!

ZackyH
12-08-2007, 09:18 PM
If you're bored with the interface of traditional RPGs get FF12 but be sure to stick with it for awhile and learn the battle system. When the game first starts out the system doesn't seem very interesting. It gets a lot deeper later on as you gain new abilities and get to configure them and get your characters to do all sorts of stuff. If you want to stick with a traditional one go with the other two. They're all good games.

roushimsx
12-08-2007, 09:23 PM
I really dug Rogue Galaxy, but was disappointed that the battle system never gained the depth of, say, Star Ocean 3's.

Haven't played the other two yet, but I'm looking forward to attempting to tackle them at some point in the future. Well, FF XII, anyway... I'm a bit scared of Dragon Quest games because of the substantial time investment required. Shit, if I wanted to sink that much time into a single game, I may as well sign up for a WoW or EVE account while I'm at it.

heybtbm
12-08-2007, 09:28 PM
I've played and beat all three. FFXII and DQ8 are two of the best RPG's of all time. It's impossible to put one above the other. Each one is RPG perfection. You'll have to choose on your own...but the good news is you can't go wrong with either one.

If you're the type of gamer (like me) who loves to explore every inch of the game world, play through every quest and collect every item, DQ8 will run you about 80-100 hours. FFXII will take ~130 hours.

Rogue Galaxy is a good RPG, but not in the same league as the other two. By the end I put in ~50 hours (I didn't touch the insect battling side quest).

End Boss info:

FFXII: Complete push over. Even easier than FFVII. Possibly the easiest end boss ever.
DQ8: Very easy. Can probably beat the first time.
Rogue Galaxy: Pull your hair out, cheap shot, prepare for mutliple deaths after spending 1 hour of mini boss battles to get to him.

Damaniel
12-08-2007, 09:28 PM
Dragon Quest 8 is awesome. I don't even like fantasy RPGs, but that is a good damn game.

Seconded. This is actually one of my favorite games of all time, and one of the few RPGs in the last few years that I've actually played long enough to beat. It does a good job of following the tried-and-true Dragon Quest formula (not that this is a bad thing), and has a bunch of side quests and other stuff to do. I must have spent 10 hours in the casino just trying to earn enough to get some of the nice gear that the shop there had.

However, FFXII is also very good -- definitely my favorite of the series since VI and VII, and I'd recommend it too. The combat is much different than that of the other games in the series. It reminds me most of FFXI -- the creatures roam around as you are exploring, and you can engage and fight them in essentially real time. You can control every member of your party, but you can also assign them AI tactics (called gambits) that allow them to be autonomous and make decisions about what to do based on the current situation. The story wasn't the strongest of the series, but it does a good job of not being yet another fantasy themed adventure with an angst-ridden protagonist and a world on the brink of destruction.

I didn't like Rogue Galaxy much. It looked nice, but it was much harder than I like my games to be. If you really had to pick between the three, you'll probably find DQ8 and FFXII more fun to play.

RPG_Fanatic
12-08-2007, 10:38 PM
Dragon Quest VIII is the best one out of the three (but I like the old school game play)

Daria
12-08-2007, 11:52 PM
DQ8 is not only a great RPG, it's one of my favorites of both the series and of the genre in general. It combines classic gameplay on a system otherwise known for producing games with overly complicated battle systems. Memerable characters, and a well written script with excellent voice acting. The plotline draws you into the story, and the characters keep you caring about what happens next. It's also really pretty. :P

Play it. Play it now.

dusty
12-09-2007, 12:23 AM
DQ8 it is!

p_b
12-09-2007, 01:50 AM
I agree. DQ8 is the way to go.

Poofta!
12-09-2007, 01:49 PM
i absolutely loved FFXII

the polish and overall mature story/themes made it a very enjoyable game.

Daria
12-09-2007, 01:58 PM
I have a question about Final Fantasy XII. Did they ever fix the battle system, or difficulty level, after the demo? I was able to run completely around the dungeon, gather up a horde of enemies behind me. After that I left the room for like- half an hour. Came back and had successfully killed everything in the dungeon. It just seemed kind of lame that the game was literally able to play itself.

slip81
12-09-2007, 07:03 PM
yeah, DQ 8 is great. I hated the demo for FFXII, and haven't played RG, but I'm sure neither one is as a good as DQ

josekortez
12-09-2007, 07:47 PM
Yeah, I vote DQ8. Probably the most fun out of all three. I never got bored with it.

Kid Fenris
12-09-2007, 08:25 PM
Dragon Quest VIII is a sharp-looking, well-localized game buried under about a thousand tons of repetitive random boring RPG battle horseshit.

Play Final Fantasy XII.

Buns34
12-10-2007, 02:19 PM
^^ Thats your opinion. I never get tired of tried and true turn based battles. I think it is the best role playing game ever created. It gives you a true sense of adventure and exploration.

Damaniel
12-10-2007, 03:25 PM
Dragon Quest VIII is a sharp-looking, well-localized game buried under about a thousand tons of repetitive random boring RPG battle horseshit.

Play Final Fantasy XII.

The way I think of the Dragon Quest series is 'don't fix what ain't broken'. When you play a DQ game, you know exactly what to expect. Yeah, the old-school mechanics might not be to everyone's tastes, especially to people who started playing RPGs in the Final Fantasy 7 era, but there are lots of RPG gamers who still like the classic turn-based RPG style, and Dragon Quest delivers that type of gameplay with tons of charm and polish.

On the other hand, Final Fantasy has always concentrated on being a more flashy, story-driven RPG series, unafraid to try out new ways of doing things. Final Fantasy XII is probably the boldest change to the series, but is also one of the best. The MMORPG-style gameplay and gambit systems alone make the game worth playing, but the story is fairly good too. It's not the hardest game around (actually, it's not too hard at all, for the most part) but that doesn't make it any less worth playing.

The game that's right for you really depends on whether you appreciate old-school turn-based gameplay, or prefer the cutting-edge graphical presentation of past Final Fantasy games. Or, you could play both and have the best of both worlds... :)

boatofcar
12-10-2007, 09:08 PM
Dragon Quest VIII is a sharp-looking, well-localized game buried under about a thousand tons of repetitive random boring RPG battle horseshit.

Play Final Fantasy XII.


You're right. A thousand tons of boring random battles is way better than a thousand hours of boring cutscenes. X_x


Screw DQVIII, play DQVII. That's a real RPG ;)

Kid Fenris
12-11-2007, 09:34 PM
A reasonable and even-minded reply.

I'm perhaps in the minority when it comes to Dragon Quest VIII, as I know a number of people who enjoyed it. I just think I'm through with random battles and basic menu-driven combat in general.


You're right. A thousand tons of boring random battles is way better than a thousand hours of boring cutscenes. X_x

See, this joke would work if you were referring to any Final Fantasy BUT XII, which might actually have fewer cutscenes than Dragon Quest VIII and oh the hell with it

heybtbm
12-12-2007, 08:44 AM
I'm perhaps in the minority when it comes to Dragon Quest VIII, as I know a number of people who enjoyed it. I just think I'm through with random battles and basic menu-driven combat in general.

As much as I love DQVIII, I will admit that the combat system in FFXII has permanently spoiled me. RPG's that still use random battles are getting tougher for me to stick with.

DQVIII was the ultimate old-school RPG. A fitting end to the "random battle" system of old. Now let's move on. The latest generation of consoles doesn't need separation between the overworld and the battle segments. It should be one seemless shift from walking around to fighting enemies.

Overbite
12-12-2007, 06:18 PM
They are all pretty good, but I'd do them in this order:

Dragon Quest 8, Final Fantasy 12, Rogue Galaxy.

I finished DQ8 and FF12 and I'm almost done with Rogue Galaxy. Was playing it yesterday in fact!

RG is super cliched and the dungeons go on forever and ever and it suffers from Dark Cloud 2's "WAY TOO MANY THINGS TO DO" problem. I have a feeling Squeenix reigned them in when they made DQ8 because there was only 4 optional things in the game and they weren't that difficult (Mini medal, Casino, Alchemy Pot, and Monster arena). Dark Cloud 2 had way too many extra things like photo taking, inventing, fishing, mini golf, character recruitment, city building, fish tournaments, bonus medals, ect.

Rogue Galaxy is a mix, it has the normal game plus you can go on monster hunts, level up your hunter rank, participate in the bug fighting tournament (you have to catch the bugs yourself!), use a magic frog to combine weapons that you have to max out first, and there's even a factory you can use to make new items that will be available to buy in the shops. I haven't even touched the bug fighting or factory, there's really no reason for it other than to pad out the game.

The battle system is pretty neat though, and I love how the enemies just appear like a random battle right on the map and you fight them and then you can just continue moving as the exp tally screen appears.

edit: I forgot the big part of Rogue Galaxy. There's no magic at all, so that means no healing spells. All healing is done using potions. Luckily the basic potion recovers 50% health and there is no shortage of them in chests and off enemies. All of the potions are really cheap in the shops too. It's a good thing because you will be chugging these things like energy drinks constantly. Even normal battles end up using one or two 50% pots. The "entire party gets 100% health" pots are easy to get as well but i save them for bosses.

Nick Goracke
12-13-2007, 12:54 PM
I have a question about Final Fantasy XII. Did they ever fix the battle system, or difficulty level, after the demo?

Yes. The demo is not representative of the actual game. Forget everything you saw. Totally different experience.

Damaniel
12-13-2007, 03:08 PM
Yes. The demo is not representative of the actual game. Forget everything you saw. Totally different experience.

Agreed. I remember playing the demo, which I specifically had purchased DQVIII for. I put it down after about 10 minutes in disgust, thinking that the Final Fantasy series was sliding even further downhill (and then proceeded to pick up DQVIII and spend well over 75 hours playing it). The final version of the game, which I tried reluctantly at first, ended up being a very addicting experience. I hope that more games take heed of the advances in RPG combat that FFXII introduced to the genre, though I'm still a fan of well-done turn based RPGs, too.

108 Stars
12-14-2007, 04:45 AM
Hmh. Id recommend Dragon Quest VIII. It has beautyfull graphics, orchestrated sound and good humoristic elements.
Final Fantasy XII is okay too, but it just does not feel like Final Fantasy. FF XII is more of a dungeon-crawler, the storyline is pretty simplistic compared to its predecessors, and characters are boring and lack personality. But the graphics are great, and the game can be fun. Just be aware that it is 90% fighting and 10% story.