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diskoboy
12-19-2007, 04:39 PM
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/19/nintendo-teases-two-new-virtual-console-consoles/

Unfortunately this is for Japan - one of the 'mystery consoles' mentioned is the MSX, which I can all but guarantee, we wont see outside Japan.

heybtbm
12-19-2007, 04:59 PM
Sega Master System...hmm. I'd buy Phantasy Star for $5.00. That's about it.

parker619
12-19-2007, 05:00 PM
they should put golden axe warrior ! on there even though i dont have a wii it is a great game and it deserves to be put on there,, :D:P

Cryomancer
12-19-2007, 05:26 PM
MSX would be nice. But yeah, we probably won't get that at all.

xfrumx
12-19-2007, 06:33 PM
I will still and always just get the original SMS games. Sure I use the virtual console mostly for Turbo Graphx since I don't own one and imports. My girlfriend also downloaded Gain Ground and Beyond Oasis for Genesis. So please release something like MSX or C64 Nintendo! I do have a C64 but I need the cable for the disc drive.

7th lutz
12-19-2007, 07:28 PM
I figured that a another sega system will be on the virtual game console. I thought it would be the sms or the Sega CD.

Turbo CD 11 games left to be released on the virtual game console for North America and Europe. I don't know if Hudson will release more tg-16 games after the turbo cd games run out. There are not that many tg-16 Hu-cards left for North America. My thinking is there would have to be a new virtual game console system on the Wii as a result. It is either that or a virtual game console system will have more games release a month like the Neo Geo, the N64 or the Snes.

I hope sega would put Euro sms games on the North America virtual game console. A good amount of Euro sms games are Game Gear games in North America. Sega could say that they technically released Game Gear games in North America like Sonic Chaos.

The sms wouldn't be much of an interest on the virtual game console if you are a sms collector that also owns Euro sms games.

I would be more interested in the Sega CD, the msx or C64 since I own the Sega Master System. The only sms game I might get on the vc is Power Strike 2.

WiseSalesman
12-19-2007, 07:32 PM
Considering that Turbo CD games are housed under the TurboGrafx category, I have to assume that if Sega CD/32x games were to be released, they could just be housed under the Genesis category.

Emuaust
12-19-2007, 08:24 PM
oh yeah, some sms loving, then again I could just play my sms...

DigitalSpace
12-19-2007, 10:01 PM
I can see SMS games being added to the Virtual Console in the US. Since most of the SMS offerings were first party titles, Sega has quite a bit of stuff that they can bring out of the vault.

j_factor
12-20-2007, 12:13 AM
They announced like a year ago that they would add Commodore 64 to the Virtual Console...

unwinddesign
12-20-2007, 03:16 AM
Yet another batch of emulated games with nothing added to them, many of them more expensive than the actual game itself!

...and yet, people keep buying them in droves.

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Says the man with over 30 XBLA arcade games. Yikes.

monkeysuit
12-20-2007, 03:25 AM
Sega Master System...hmm. I'd buy Phantasy Star for $5.00. That's about it.


That's all I can think of as well. Throw some Saturn love my way and I'll gladly throw down some points.

Tron 2.0
12-20-2007, 04:03 AM
If the sms was added to the vc i download what was offer for it.

Long as it has these games though ;)
Phantasy Star
Pyscho Fox
Zillon
The Alex the Kid:Serise of corse.
Chop Lifter

Just to name a few.

segagamer4life
12-20-2007, 11:51 AM
That's all I can think of as well. Throw some Saturn love my way and I'll gladly throw down some points.



Man imagine Nights, for the saturn on the Wii VC... that would RULE!!!

theoakwoody
12-20-2007, 12:42 PM
I love how everyone talks about how hard it would be to emulate the saturn. Bullshit! You don't think Sega could put together a perfect emulator that would run all the games like gold. You bet your ass they can and they will. And if the Wii can run gamecube games why not Dreamcast. ;) I can dream can't I? Pop in a dreamcast and then its USB convertor time.

I don't know about Sega CD or 32 X because I dont' know if there are enough games for each system to have mass appeal. I'm surprised that they are even bothering with the Master System, especially in Japan where it failed horribly. In fact, Europe is basically the only place where I can see a lot of people downloading games that they played as a kid. Sure, some people will be curious but most games I download I either used to own or played a lot when I was younger.

I think the next system on the vc will be atari 2600. Look at all the compilations that still come out for current gen systems like namco museum. Nintendo is looking to make money not be as extremely diversified as possible.

rbudrick
12-20-2007, 01:06 PM
MSX would be nice. But yeah, we probably won't get that at all.


Hmm, I dunno. It was absolutely huge in Asia, so if they released it there, I'm sure they would do so here. The demand must exist over there. I shit myself when the Neo and the TG16 was released for it. I wonder why the 2600 and such hasn't been released for it. I mean, if they are going for older crowds and all, it onbly seems natural.

-Rob

MegaDrive20XX
12-20-2007, 01:44 PM
I still would love to see GameBoy classics, like Metroid 2, Zelda Link's Awakening, Mario Land 2, etc.

j_factor
12-21-2007, 02:04 AM
I love how everyone talks about how hard it would be to emulate the saturn. Bullshit! You don't think Sega could put together a perfect emulator that would run all the games like gold. You bet your ass they can and they will.

They tried it a few years ago and (kind of) failed. In Japan they ran a service where you could download emulated Saturn games to your PC. Sega did it by buying out an emulator that was out there on the internet and had been around for years (but never managed to emulate Saturn games to a playable level) and re-writing the emu for each individual game. This resulted in widely varying system requirements for each Saturn game. I recall that Golden Axe: The Duel required a 1.6 GHz CPU, whereas Panzer Dragoon Zwei required a 2.4 GHz CPU.

To do Saturn on the Wii it would have to be a decidedly limited affair, and may not be worth the trouble. Every other system on the VC has been emulated 100% easily for years (N64 is a bit of a gray area, but that's Nintendo's own thing). Dreamcast would actually be more likely than Saturn.


I don't know about Sega CD or 32 X because I dont' know if there are enough games for each system to have mass appeal.

Sega CD and/or 32x games would just be filed under Genesis, so they don't need to have a lot of games or anything. People would definitely download Sonic CD.


I'm surprised that they are even bothering with the Master System, especially in Japan where it failed horribly.

Master System is ridiculously easy to emulate and the file sizes are small. Sega's already participating in the Virtual Console, and they're just sitting on all their 8-bit games -- why not release them? Even if it's not terribly popular, it will do nothing but net them money. And Master System was more popular worldwide than consoles already on the VC anyway.


I think the next system on the vc will be atari 2600. Look at all the compilations that still come out for current gen systems like namco museum. Nintendo is looking to make money not be as extremely diversified as possible.

How could Nintendo possibly lose money by adding another system to the Virtual Console? The cost involved has got to be pretty damn low. I don't see how any new VC system would plausibly not make money, unless it's difficult to implement (as may be the case with Saturn), or it's something ridiculous like Bally Astrocade or something.

diskoboy
12-21-2007, 02:05 PM
IMO, I don't think we'll ever see any Atari consoles on the VC.

I still think Atari hasn't forgotten how Nintendo basically screwed them over, several times,in the 80's. And mark my words, I guarantee none of the Tengen games will ever be released on VC.

Juganawt
12-21-2007, 03:27 PM
Phantasy Star, Golden Axe Warrior, Super Wonderboy in Monsterland, and Action Fighter FTW!

As for Sega CD / Saturn coming...don't hold your breath.

The Wii's pathetically small amount of storage memory would mean you'd

A: be unable to buy any game that uses more than half of a CD

B: have to delete everything on internal memory - including your save games, to download the bloody thing. (sonic CD with it's music compressed to an awful MP3 @96kbps sound still weighs in at 147mb. Add in the emulator and you're looking at least 150mb for that game alone)

C: have to spend around 50 bazillion points per game.

Nintendo really need to either patch the system so we can run stuff directly off SD cards, or they need to release a storage device before they can think about offering these bigger games.

No thankyou. I'd prefer to have them on systems that can cater for larger downloads - 360 and PS3. Hmmmm more Hi-Def dreamcast ports like Rez.....hmmmm Crazy Taxi HD yumyum.

7th lutz
12-21-2007, 05:35 PM
IMO, I don't think we'll ever see any Atari consoles on the VC.

I still think Atari hasn't forgotten how Nintendo basically screwed them over, several times,in the 80's. And mark my words, I guarantee none of the Tengen games will ever be released on VC.

The atari now is not the Atari then. The Atari name belongs to infogrames nowdays. Infogrames never got screwed by nintendo. The old Atari has been dead for 11 or 12 years.

Inforgrames is using the Atari name for name recongization purposes only.

Tengen was not part of the Atari under Jack Tramiel. Tengen was a part of Atari games. Warner only sold Home division Atari to Jack Tramiel. Jack wanted the home division of Atari due to computers. That included game consoles and computers. Jack didn't get the arcade part of Atari.

Atarigames was under Midway for a later part of Atari Games existence. Midway closed Atarigames.

There are problem with a 2600 game console going to the vc. There is only a small of Games that are able be the VC unless Sega and Konami allows their games to be on the 2600 part of the vc.

Leo_A
12-21-2007, 08:12 PM
Your post doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but here are my opinions. No one is going to be paying very much for 2600 roms. Atari would have to split up their 2600 lineup into several bundles since no one is going to be paying even 100 points for most 2600 titles.

And Konami and Sega released minuscule amounts of 2600 games, why even mention them? I know you're fond of the Virtual Console, but I think your way off base on this, it doesn't make any sense at all that they'd do this. Atari's 1st party 2600 lineup isn't very impressive for the most part once you remove licensed titles. If they got Actvision on board and perhaps did 400 point bundles of 20-25 2600 roms at a time following specific themes, maybe it would work.

7th lutz
12-21-2007, 08:36 PM
Your post doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but here are my opinions. No one is going to be paying very much for 2600 roms. Atari would have to split up their 2600 lineup into several bundles since no one is going to be paying even 100 points for most 2600 titles.

And Konami and Sega released minuscule amounts of 2600 games, why even mention them? I know you're fond of the Virtual Console, but I think your way off base on this, it doesn't make any sense at all that they'd do this. Atari's 1st party 2600 lineup isn't very impressive for the most part once you remove licensed titles. If they got Actvision on board and perhaps did 400 point bundles of 20-25 2600 roms at a time following specific themes, maybe it would work.

I didn't mention nothing about the 2600 is actually going to the vc or the prices. My post was for Diskoboy concerning Atari and Tengen. If the 2600 would be wouldn't be released, Tengren wouldn't be the reason. Tengen was a subsidiary of the game companany Atari games. The game company Atari games was not part of the company that Jack Tramiel and his family bought from Warner Communications, Inc.

I only mention Kanomi and Sega because there are that many games for the 2600 that weren't rereleased and those two companies have the rights to 2600 games. Most 2600 3rd parties nolonger exist with some of them being companies that brought Arcade ports to the 2600.

j_factor
12-21-2007, 11:35 PM
I could see them doing 2600 if it was like 100 points per game, but only if both Atari (Infogrames) and Activision were on-board. Activision owns Imagic's back catalog too if I'm not mistaken.

Intellivision would also be doable, considering the Intellivision Lives! people aren't really doing much else.

diskoboy
12-22-2007, 01:08 AM
I could see them doing 2600 if it was like 100 points per game, but only if both Atari (Infogrames) and Activision were on-board. Activision owns Imagic's back catalog too if I'm not mistaken.

Intellivision would also be doable, considering the Intellivision Lives! people aren't really doing much else.

Actually, I wouldn't pay over 50 points for an Atari game, 100 for Inty. But Inty would be a great addition, since it had a great game library. Utopia or Astrosmash could keep me busy for literally hours. But I don't see how they'd pull off the Inty controller scheme on any of the Wii's controls.

But I still don't see any pre-NES consoles coming to the VC. Nintendo seems to think they invented the home market.

ssjlance
12-22-2007, 10:38 AM
I nearly shat myself upon seeing Neutopia available, so I'm not one to complain. Although I have to admit, Saturn on VC would make me the happiest geek in my school. I can picture it now: Panzer Dragoon Saga without shelling out more than I would imagine spending on eBay....

Juganawt
12-22-2007, 12:21 PM
I nearly shat myself upon seeing Neutopia available, so I'm not one to complain. Although I have to admit, Saturn on VC would make me the happiest geek in my school. I can picture it now: Panzer Dragoon Saga without shelling out more than I would imagine spending on eBay....

As I mentioned before, you will never get to play PDS on a Wii, as the laughably small internal memory would fill up completely after downloading 3 quarters of the first disc.

Pipedream I'm afraid. Hope for a PSN / XBLA version, or a PS2 / Wii disc-based port - at least that's more realistic.

theoakwoody
12-25-2007, 01:08 AM
Why are Sega CD games so much larger than Turbo CD games? Everything gets compressed, audio, video, and makes the game tiny. Why would a Saturn game be bigger than a N64 game? Any FMV or whatever can be compressed and look just as crappy as it did back in the day on the original Saturn hardware.

Sega can do whatever they want. If they think they can make some money off of their Saturn titles they will do it. I think that being the Saturn wasn't a huge succes in the states it may not happen. Now if Japan gets the Saturn for the VC then we probably will too but I'm not holding my breath.

Oh, and all you gamers out there that wouldn't pay 50 points for a 2600 game aren't thinking about people who used to own those games. Its all about nostalgia. When you pay $ 40 for a compilation I think you may also pay a couple of bucks for Joust, Defender, or Dig Dug.



Does anyone know if it would be possible to get the true Metal Gear 2 on the VC if we got the MSX in the states? Or is that the MSX2?

j_factor
12-25-2007, 02:11 AM
That would be MSX2. It's unclear whether VC MSX support would be confined to the original MSX or be combined with MSX2 (I doubt they would do each separately, although I guess that's also possible).

diskoboy
01-25-2008, 02:37 PM
It is now 100% confirmed.

The Master System is coming to the Virtual Console.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/25/sega-master-system-games-coming-to-virtual-console/

7th lutz
01-25-2008, 09:46 PM
It is good to have the sms on the vc. I wouldn't be downloading a lot of games from the sms section though.