Prediction: The Xbox won't age well as a console.

[otoko]

And once again we see an example of why drugs should not be legalized..


It's stupidity that causes stupid answers.. not drugs.

[ReaXan]

And once again we see an example of why drugs should not be legalized, because they make you say nonsensical stuff like that. Seriously though, 90% of this thread is filled with reasons you should buy an Xbox. The other 10% are common sense if you are a true gamer.

I guess the bottom line is that alot of people have fond memories of the XBox. I am not advocating the XBox is trash, it just stayed at a premium price used for so long I couldn't find any titles that justified me getting one until last August when it was 60 dollars at Gamestop. Alot the titles I could play on the XBoX I could also play on my more powerful PC(Doom 3,KOTOR). The exception to this was Halo and a few others.

I still stand firm on the fact that the controller wasn't very good. I guess people with huge hands apreciated it but as someone who has medium sized hands it was hard to use in action intensive games. For RPG's it was fine. I still think people would prefer the Gamecube controller if they had the choice. I think alot of my points had merrit and arent drug induced by any means :)

I didn't have a positive experience with the XBox as some did so I will admit that is my bias.

[bangtango]

The reason that Gamestop (and I'm no Gamestop fan at all) still charges fifty dollars for a console that has been dead for over two years should tell you something. They sell Gamecubes for thirty dollars and PS2's for forty- and the PS2 is still a "current" console! A lot of people that own a 360 are keeping their original Xbox- they're not winding up being thrown out. That has to due with a lot of different issues, from people that have sot mods and massive game libraries downloaded, or emulators, etc; or the guys that realize some of their old games will not play on the 360. Original Xboxes still sell for a premium price because people are willing to pay it.

That and an Xbox is more convenient. The second you bring it home and hook it up, you're done. Buy a PS2 or Gamecube and it is one memory card after another and those things sure as hell ain't cheap if you're looking for a first party card (particularly a brand new one).

As for the dvd thing, I don't understand buying a console to be your primary dvd player. About people who say it saves space and space is a premium, they need to cut the crap because it is a big charade. Half the people who claim to be all about "saving space" and say they don't have the room for a regular dvd player and a couple video game consoles (360/XBox 1), you know damn well they have stacks of old Magic Cards or Todd McFarlane figures piled to their ceiling and thus they don't really have room to talk.

Same goes for a lot of people who have such a hard-on for backwards compatibility. Get rid of the stacks of Magic Cards, 50-100 model airplanes, 50-100 beanie babies along with all of the other junk in your bedroom (or game room) and you'll have "space" for a measly $50 Xbox, a 360 and a dvd player in the same room.

[Daltone]

Am I going spastic or are Halo, Halo 2, KOTOR, KOTOR 2, Jade Empire, the majority of the good stuff (although I use that term loosely around Halo 2's single player), available on the PC?

[TheDomesticInstitution]

Am I going spastic or are Halo, Halo 2, KOTOR, KOTOR 2, Jade Empire, the majority of the good stuff (although I use that term loosely around Halo 2's single player), available on the PC?

You're absolutely right. In fact, I'm sure a lot of the PC versions have better graphics too. But this happens to be a console-centric message board, and quite a few people here would rather not fuck with PC's for gaming.

[Rickstilwell1]

I can't say it will be forgotten. My opinion on the last generation of consoles is that there were so many good games for all 3 systems that you couldn't do without any of them if you were really into video games.

I don't think there were ever 3 systems so neck to neck in success at the same time before. I'll explain:

We all know that Atari was pretty much the king back in the day. Then that throne was replaced by Nintendo as soon as it came out. After the market domination we remember that Sega stepped up a second time and started the true competition.

SNES and Genesis were always close but the other competitors that came and went such as TurboGrafx-16, Jaguar, 3DO and Neo Geo were so far behind in sales because of high price tags or smaller amounts of games. So there were just 2 really popular systems there.

Playstation was a booming success and Nintendo 64 was doing well, but then Saturn sales were not the best. Saturn wasn't available in all stores. Just some. Some stores chose to make a section to keep selling SNES and Genesis alongside N64 and PS1 rather than clearing a space for Saturn. So again, you have only 2 major competitors.

It's because of things like marketing problems that I didn't have any of these lesser known competitors until the past couple years.

Dreamcast was a good intro to the last gen, but it dropped out too soon to run beside PS2, Xbox and Gamecube, making it act more like it was a replacement for Saturn rather than a system meant for running in the generation we are talking about. All 3 of our systems in this generation were readily available at any common store that sold video games. All 3 had good varieties of games and a very large amount of titles.

I'll tell you why I bought an Xbox. Remember Oddworld 1 & 2 for Playstation? I loved those games, and when Munch's Oddysee for Xbox was announced I was disappointed that they had to switch platform brands, making it so I couldn't just play the whole series on a PS2. I already had PS2 and GC thanks to favorite series continuing on them. There were many times I bought new systems just because there was a game on it that was part of a series I liked. Sonic the Hedgehog was notorious for that. I pretty much only bought a Virtual Boy because of wanting to play the Wario game and the 2 Mario games.

So yeah, you can blame that funny blue Mudokon, Abe for my interest in the original Xbox. If it weren't for the Oddworld team switching like that, I probably wouldn't have tried hunting it down until a little later. I keep 2 Xboxs myself. One for playing actual Xbox games, and one hard modded for just playing roms.

[Rickstilwell1]

So I can pay $20 *once* to watch DVD's on an Xbox, or I can pay $25 to save my games on a memory card, only to buy more when that fills up.

And that is exactly the reason why I bought a PS3 when it was fairly new and was PS2 compatible. All because of that, you will almost never catch me using my PS2 system again, unless I want to cheat with Action Replay which doesn't seem to work on PS3. And after I'm done I always transfer my save to the PS3 hard drive with the memory card adapter. I'm hardly using my PS3 as a true PS3. I'm using it as more of a hardware boost for my favorite old Playstation 1 & 2 games to be used with. When games become used and prices are dropped, that's when I'll rush to the new generation's games.

I always do that unless something I really really want comes out. I concentrate on cheap old stuff first, so by the time I get to the newer stuff it will be cheap too.

I wish Nintendo would have made a hard drive, maybe as an optional accessory to the Wii and allowed GameCube files to be transferred to it. But at least I don't have 70 GC games like I do for PS2. I usually go for Nintendo for their trademark character series or exclusive RPGs over anything else. So the memory card issue isn't as bad for me yet.

[roushimsx]

Am I going spastic or are Halo, Halo 2, KOTOR, KOTOR 2, Jade Empire, the majority of the good stuff (although I use that term loosely around Halo 2's single player), available on the PC?

Nah, there's still plenty of good-to-great games that aren't available on PC and are better than releases on the other consoles. For the first person shooters and RPGs (better controls, more content, etc), I'd rather play them on the PC, but when it comes to stuff like the Splinter Cell and Tomb Raider games (Anniversary and Legend), I'll take the Xbox versions instead any day of the week (analog movement? Yes, please).

Even with the first person shooters available on PC, sometimes the Xbox version has additional goodies. Ghost Recon and its expansions received a significant graphical overhaul, Doom 3 had co-op, Half Life 2's autoaim changed the play of the vehicle segments to make them much faster paced, Operation Flashpoint Elite was a complete overhaul of Operation Flashpoint, etc.

2009 and still loving the hell out of my Xbox. Not loving the hell out of Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow, but that's to be expected with an Ubisoft Shanghai game. Thank god they didn't do the Xbox versions of Double Agent or Ghost Recon 2.

[Leo_A]

Now that over half a decade has passed since this thread was created, we've seen Xbox Live support discontinued and and we've seen this generation of systems nearly put to rest with a new generation of systems having taken up their place as the previous generation of console gaming. So I thought it might be interesting to bump this and see how opinions stand today on this topic.

For me, I think the library is aging well and I still have no shortage of great games left to experience on it and still enjoy revisiting past favorites. What isn't aging so well is the hardware itself. But at least homebrew experts have made it easy to replace disc drives, replace capacitors, replace hard drives, restore DLC, etc.

And as a plus, 16:9 and progressive scan support were very common on the Xbox. More so than its competition, these games adapt best to the televisions that most of us now play on.

[Gamevet]

I dusted off my old Xbox about a month ago. Burnout Revenge is still an awesome looking (and playing) game. I still have my HD-CRT, so the console is a perfect fit @ 480p.

[otaku]

idk the thing about the xbox is its well built so it will hold up better than the 360 long term. The hard drive is a big win over memory cards and easily replaceable also and cheap these days. Some great games and great memories for some of us I remember anticipating the hell out of it as a sort of follow up to my beloved dreamcast and have such great memories of its launch and playing halo and other games on live it was my first exposure to online gaming

[ProjectCamaro]

I have to say the Xbox has held up very well. Mine is hooked up to a 42" LCD TV via component cables and while not perfect it still looks good and has a lot of great games. Not to mention the games are currently really cheap which is great too!

[Manhattan Sports Club]

I loved the original Xbox despite its one major flaw: That it didn't have enough quality cute games. Sure I like Blinx and Psychonauts, but it catered too much to dudebros. Still, there were some phenomenal games and best ports of the time, as many have said.

[Genesaturn]

The XBOX is something I never thought I'd remember fondly, but I definitely do. I think being a Sega fanboy, and the original XBOX team was made of of a good chunk of ex Sega guys did it for me. The system was large and clunky, but I felt it had a good bunch of games and I have a lot of good memories of playing through games like Robotech while listening to my custom soundtrack on the hard drive. It had a good portion of good Sega games to since it getting games from a lot of top studios before they went defunct. I in some ways considered it Dreamcast 2.0. However the xbox360 became super generic to me and will definitely be forgotten.

[longcat]

The Xbox is alright. A lot of those best multiplats it had are moot now that the superior PC versions are dirt cheap and easy to run with shiny enhancements. I never had an Xbox and was never interested in one. Now that I think about it, the only games that you can't find elsewhere that interest me are Panzer Dragoon, Jet Set Radio, Phantom Dust and I'll throw in Silent Hill 2 because the PC port isn't very cheap at all.

[8-Bit Archeology]

Morrowind... :drops mic:

Deal with it.

[Greg2600]

Soft-modded mine, installed a 500GB HDD, good to go! Got tons of arcade and classic system emulation on there. Use it to play SEGACD and TG-16CD games I own but don't own those consoles.

[Emperor Megas]

Now that I think about it, the only games that you can't find elsewhere that interest me are Panzer Dragoon, Jet Set Radio, Phantom Dust and I'll throw in Silent Hill 2 because the PC port isn't very cheap at all.Silent Hill 2 is available for PS2 (the Greatest Hits version even has the extra content the XBOX version had). There's also the terribly shoddy HD ports available on XBOX360 and PS3.

[Gamevet]

The Xbox is alright. A lot of those best multiplats it had are moot now that the superior PC versions are dirt cheap and easy to run with shiny enhancements. I never had an Xbox and was never interested in one. Now that I think about it, the only games that you can't find elsewhere that interest me are Panzer Dragoon, Jet Set Radio, Phantom Dust and I'll throw in Silent Hill 2 because the PC port isn't very cheap at all.

I started out with KOTOR on my PC back whenever it came out. I believe my GPU was an FX 5200 Ultra and the card I had before that was a Geforce 4. I had a 2 Ghz Celeron CPU, yet the game never did run all that smoothly on that PC. Halo ran okay, but it would bog down now and then. I ended up getting an Xbox to experience those games the way they were meant to be played.

In 2009 I tried to run KOTOR on a Windows 7 machine. The game would constantly crash, even after I tried the patches that were supposed to fix it. I ended up building a PC that had XP and Windows 7 on it in 2010. KOTOR still crashed with XP.

[Gentlegamer]

Morrowind... :drops mic:

Deal with it.

I'd rather play Morrowind on Xbox than Oblivion and Skyrim on Xbox 360.

[Manhattan Sports Club]

I recently got a hold of both KOTOR games for Xbox. I am more of a J-RPG fan but these ones are definately winning me over. I was reluctant to embrace them but gave them a shot because I wanted a decent WRPG that wasn't over the top with the shock value or juvenile panderings. I'm also only a casual Star Wars fan but considering the tame nature of the franchise, there was yet another reason for me to pick up KOTOR. And yes, they are better than Fable by far.

[Leo_A]

I never had an Xbox and was never interested in one. Now that I think about it, the only games that you can't find elsewhere that interest me are Panzer Dragoon, Jet Set Radio, Phantom Dust and I'll throw in Silent Hill 2 because the PC port isn't very cheap at all.

All four of these are backwards compatible on the 360, to varying degrees of success (I've never tried Silent Hill 2 on my 360, but judging by the backwards compatibility list on Wikipedia, I'm not missing anything by having played it instead on my original Xbox).

[longcat]

Silent Hill 2 is available for PS2 (the Greatest Hits version even has the extra content the XBOX version had). There's also the terribly shoddy HD ports available on XBOX360 and PS3.

Xbox port is better though. My point is that people always say Xbox had the best multiplat ports, when it was actually PC that got the best (in the case of straight multiplats. sometimes other platforms, mostly ps2, got extras not in the pc version, sometimes pc got terrible ports like Onimusha 3). I'm conceding you might as well get SH2 on xbox given how expensive the pc copy is now.

[Bazoo]

I understand why this thread was started, but I must say, I fondly remember the original Xbox much, much more than I thought I would during its generation.

I found it originally at a Goodwill for $10 and got it basically just to softmod. I found, though, that it had a lot more great games than expected--Panzer Dragoon, Gunslinger, Munch's Oddysee, and even really good ports of classic fighters MvC2 and both sides of SNK vs. Capcom. Plus KOTOR and Morrowind. It has a lot of sleeper hits once you get dig into the library. Underrated by traditionalists IMO

[BlastProcessing402]

If you throw XBMC on it, it makes a hell of a great media player. Well, for SD material anyway, but it plays a lot of files my 360 and PS3 just won't touch.

[YoshiM]

I searched around for any past Xbox Anniversary threads but this one seems one-up that idea. Everyone back while I charge up the paddles.....CLEAR!

:: thread lurches from the defibrillator and the pulse starts again ::

Now that the Original Xbox is 20 years old, what are your thoughts on some of the discussions and predictions of this thread? I can't believe I didn't comment in this one as I was pretty big into Xbox during its time. I even posted updates on the Official Xbox Magazine demo discs for crying out loud! If there's anything that kinda makes me feel old, it's definitely knowing that I played the Xbox near its birth as it practically feels just like yesterday.

The OXbox still seems to be remembered fondly by the gaming public. Emulation still seems to be talked about on the console along with unreleased games being patched up or just being released and made available like "Freefall 3050 AD". Microsoft's Xbox One can supposedly play up to about 60 past OG Xbox games from disc, which is huge on the part of the ol' "M$".

[Nature Boy]

I don't think I ever got an answer as to why you'd need proof to validate a feeling :)

Of those 3 machines I owned (and of course still do), I'd say I'm more nostalgic for the PS2 than OG Xbox or Gamecube, although I like and appreciate all 3. The Dreamcast still does nothing for me personally.

I can't remember for certain what I played but I've definitely played PS2 games more recently, in part because I could play them on my phat PS3 with the wireless controllers. I still love Gradius V and Britney's Dance Beat :)

[gbpxl]

The Xbox OS is a dealbreaker for me. I dont want my save files stuck on a hard drive that will eventually fail. Every other system had memory cards but I guess that was asking too much. I also get annoyed with how the thing keeps asking me to set the date and time. but i guess thats true for Dreamcast as well if the battery dies.

I love the Duke controller and have fond memories of playing the system in 2002. The games looked better than the competition but unfortunately all the best games of that era were found on PS2 and GC.

[Greg2600]

The original surely holds up, it had a tremendous game library and I would take the S-controller over the PS2's or the Cube's. There's currently projects ongoing to restore Xbox Live, and you can currently game online using Xlink Kai with a pseudo LAN. The Xbox HD+ mods are quite frequent, all despite being able to play the games on a 360 and the One with backwards compatibility.

[Gameguy]

I dont want my save files stuck on a hard drive that will eventually fail. Every other system had memory cards but I guess that was asking too much.
There are official memory cards available for the Xbox, few people bought them so they're somewhat rare and expensive but they are available.


I also get annoyed with how the thing keeps asking me to set the date and time. but i guess thats true for Dreamcast as well if the battery dies.
The Xbox uses a capacitor doesn't it? So if it's not saving the date and time then the capacitor is dead or dying, which is bad because these are known to leak and damage the circuit board. These need to be changed or the console could be killed permanently.


The games looked better than the competition but unfortunately all the best games of that era were found on PS2 and GC.
You're forgetting about the PC as well.

I personally never felt much attachment for the Xbox, there were good games on it but like you said the best games worth playing were also available on other platforms. Most people seemed to like the Xbox for modding and either used it as an emulation box, or as a media station. As a game console, used as intended, it doesn't hold up as well as other classic consoles.

[Gamevet]

I think that the Xbox holds up as well as the Gamecube, despite a lot of games also being on PC.

I dusted off mine just a couple of weeks ago to play a little bit of Outrun 2, Panzer Dragoon Orta, DOA 2 Ultimate and Project Gotham Racing 2. I’ve been meaning to play Conker’s Bad Fur Day soon.

[jdc]

I like all 3 equally, I guess. Xbox for Halo and Forza and the RPGs that were only on Xbox. Cube AND Xbox for way too many hours of PSO. Cube for the exclusives and especially PN03 and for it's controller design, which I love. PS2 for hours and hours of Gran Turismo 3 and 4 as well as the crapload of RPGs. Warm fuzzies all around for this generation.

[YoshiM]

Like others mentioned, the Cube got play from me mainly due to the Nintendo-made exclusives. The Xbox did get a majority of my attention during its generation until the Wii came along followed by the Xbox 360. I remember all the hub bub about "Super Mario Galaxy" with the 3D gravity puzzles like it was some new thang, which I just shook my head and fired up "Psychonauts", which already had such things. Other big things it got me into like nothing else was online gaming. Xbox Live added a whole taped section of geography on the existing map of online, and that section was prominently called "CONSOLES" (or "Consolvania"?). It was easy, quick and I had a blast with it. Memories of poor 12 year old pre-pubescent boys' characters getting blown away while flying away in a helicopter in the demo of "Battlefield 2:Modern Combat" by their friend who got mad that they were left behind. Doing somersaults dodging psychic blasts from an online opponent in "Phantom Dust" while my attacker is laughing their ass off screaming "WILL YOU JUST DIE ALREADY!!" at me as I was waiting for SOMETHING offensive to fight back with (didn't happen).

I am attempting to get into a Xbox revival these days on our gaming family video game days. One of my step sons feels that "Star Wars: Battlefront" is the "definitive Battlefront experience" (his words). My daughter sometimes will do Karaoke Revolution Party with me, though I have to get a new microphone for duets.

[Gamevet]

I used to play the snot out of Battlefield 2. I loved the map layouts of that game, where could choose to be a run and gunner or hide in a rock as a sniper. I remember one matchup of capture the flag, where the 2 flag carriers met in the middle of the map and proceeded to Merle each other. Everyone in the area started hollering as the battle had drawn out. It was hilarious.

I also remember getting home early from work and had decided to play a little Burnout 3 online. I ended up playing against a bunch of Europeans and have a good ribbing with each other.

[Zap!]

Slightly off-topic but I believe that the Xbox 360 didn't hold up. It's very slow and sluggish, with no updates, and YouTube is unwatchable. Contrast to the PS3, where I watch YouTube flawlessly in the extra bedroom when I'm in it. The PS3 still gets updates too, with the last one being around the Summer.

[Greg2600]

Slightly off-topic but I believe that the Xbox 360 didn't hold up. It's very slow and sluggish, with no updates, and YouTube is unwatchable. Contrast to the PS3, where I watch YouTube flawlessly in the extra bedroom when I'm in it. The PS3 still gets updates too, with the last one being around the Summer.

One of the reasons for PS3 updates though is likely to keep Bluray movie support (a Sony license) up and running. The 360 never had that drive. If your bluray player is not updated, newer releases will not be watchable.

[gbpxl]

One of the reasons for PS3 updates though is likely to keep Bluray movie support (a Sony license) up and running. The 360 never had that drive. If your bluray player is not updated, newer releases will not be watchable.
why would updates be needed for Blu Ray support on the PS3? I have never updated my standalone BluRay player since I bought it like 7 years ago and it seems to be working just fine.

[Gameguy]

why would updates be needed for Blu Ray support on the PS3? I have never updated my standalone BluRay player since I bought it like 7 years ago and it seems to be working just fine.
The few times I've tried playing blurays on my PS3 I was asked to update the system as it wouldn't allow me to play these discs on it. It's why I'm not bothering to collect blurays as that's a headache I'd rather avoid dealing with. The updates would be on the disc though, I didn't connect my PS3 to the internet. The updates are related to copy protection.

[Gamevet]

We have an older Vizio BR player that won’t play any modern discs. It has online functionality, but for some reason Vizio stopped supplying updates for it over 7-8 years ago.

[Greg2600]

why would updates be needed for Blu Ray support on the PS3? I have never updated my standalone BluRay player since I bought it like 7 years ago and it seems to be working just fine.

Try playing a newly released Blu-Ray on there. The encryption changes regularly to combat piracy, and your player needs to be updated with new firmware. My PC's drive stopped being supported and I could no longer play new movies on there.

[Gameguy]

We have an older Vizio BR player that won’t play any modern discs. It has online functionality, but for some reason Vizio stopped supplying updates for it over 7-8 years ago.

Try playing a newly released Blu-Ray on there. The encryption changes regularly to combat piracy, and your player needs to be updated with new firmware. My PC's drive stopped being supported and I could no longer play new movies on there.
So it's not just with the PS3, but actual dedicated players have compatibility issues as well? Makes me extra glad I haven't bothered with the format, having to buy a new player every few years isn't something I want to bother with.

A bit ironic as it seems to just affect legitimate buyers, people who pirate would be able to find the media online without any restrictions in place that would affect playback.

[Greg2600]

So it's not just with the PS3, but actual dedicated players have compatibility issues as well? Makes me extra glad I haven't bothered with the format, having to buy a new player every few years isn't something I want to bother with.

A bit ironic as it seems to just affect legitimate buyers, people who pirate would be able to find the media online without any restrictions in place that would affect playback.

Well they only can control "legit" hardware/applications. But technically even a stand alone BRD player would be rendered obsolete without (typically wi-fi generated firmware updates). DVD never had such controls. I actually had to buy one back when I was using RedBox and my PC drive was no longer supported. Even if I had updated playback software, the hardware on the drive was considered to have faults and they stopped certifying it.

[Gameguy]

Well they only can control "legit" hardware/applications. But technically even a stand alone BRD player would be rendered obsolete without (typically wi-fi generated firmware updates). DVD never had such controls. I actually had to buy one back when I was using RedBox and my PC drive was no longer supported. Even if I had updated playback software, the hardware on the drive was considered to have faults and they stopped certifying it.
Honestly that's pretty terrible. To have a standardized format not be playable on all standardized players is ridiculous. I know plenty of formats had upgraded players with additional features, but these upgraded types of media were still playable on older players in limited ways at least(to the best of my knowledge). With CDs, even the newer ones with CD-Text are still compatible with the earliest of CD players. And these types of upgrades were usually to add features in some way, not simply to enhance piracy protections.

[Rickstilwell1]

The Xbox has some games that are becoming highly collectible now. The price for Otogi 2 is very surprising.

[Leo_A]

Some misconceptions here about Blu-Ray.

Firmware updates are to combat piracy. The Blu-Ray Disc Association from time to time will require newer discs to mandate a particular firmware to be present on a specific model of player as a way to force the customer to update. These firmware updates aren't on the disc and must be downloaded either directly or by downloading the firmware update to a USB drive and plugging it into a USB port on the player.

An annoyance, but non-existent updates are never mandated. So when the plug is pulled for support and the latest firmware release for Player A was say V3.6, there will never be a Blu-Ray video disc that mandates a newer level of firmware to be present on that player than V3.6. The only issue is if you one day can't access that firmware to upgrade a long out of production 2nd hand player that was on older firmware.

But thankfully obsolete patches and firmware are fairly widely distributed on the internet and updates are typically allowed via USB (Even on the PS3 you can update your PS3 firmware and what Sony terms your Blu-Ray "encryption key" via a firmware file on a thumb drive; Direct updating via the internet is just present for convenience). So hopefully it won't ever be a significant issue down the road (I have a pair of older dedicated players that ceased to receive updates years ago that still play my latest purchases from Warner Archive, Kino Lorber, etc. ).

Unsure how newer game consoles handle it, but USB updating is at least an option on PS4 as well and always seems to be a feature on dedicated Blu-Ray players. It wouldn't surprise me if updating via thumb drive is something Microsoft shied away from with the Xbox One with Sony following suit with the PS5, but with how tied to the internet these are in general, I suspect playing our Blu-Ray collection will be the least of our worries when the plug is eventually pulled years from now.

And as long as your firmware was up to date when the pull is plugged, Blu-Ray playback will probably be one of the most intact features for these platform's future offline life.