Prediction: The Xbox won't age well as a console.

[boatofcar]

In my mind, the Xbox will be the least fondly remembered of consoles, at least within the past two generations. Between peoples' animosity towards the relative size of the console and the lack of memorable exclusive titles (Halo excepted), I think the Xbox won't hold a place in many gamers' hearts the way the Gamecube and PS2 will.

Thoughts?

[roushimsx]

In my mind, the Xbox will be the least fondly remembered of consoles, at least within the past two generations. Between peoples' animosity towards the relative size of the console and the lack of memorable exclusive titles (Halo excepted), I think the Xbox won't hold a place in many gamers' hearts the way the Gamecube and PS2 will.

Thoughts?

Strongly disagree. The system generally had the best versions of multiplatform titles (with only a small number of exceptions), plenty of excellent exclusives (Crimson Skies? Forza? Rallisport Challenge 2? Ghost Recon 2? Oddworld Stranger's Wrath? Ninja Gaiden Black? Unreal Championship 2? Chronicles of Riddick?!?! ...well ok, there was a PC port of that) and some nice niche titles that keep the hardcore gamer demographic nice and happy (Gunvalkyrie, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Jet Set Radio Future, Metal Wolf Chaos, Breakdown).

People will always shit on the mammoth size of it (...and the PS3) along with the duke controllers, but I think it'll come out looking pretty good overall a few years down the line.

[s1lence]

No way, the original will always be remembered as the system that launched MS as a gaming company not just one that makes operating systems and office apps.

I think the gamecube is the one that will be least well aged and the PS2 as being the one everyone remembers 20 years from now. Kinda like the Atari 2600 is to many of us.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

Thoughts?

Not with ya on this one. I think I have more games on this system than any other. It's weird, but I never got into the PS2... and only bought a GC 7 or so months ago. I still play it more than any other system I have, and will get many more hours of use out of it. I just wish MS still supported it (like Sony with the PS2) because I'm not ready to upgrade to a 360.

And I agree with s1lence... I'd put my money on the GC as being the odd one out.

[Poofta!]

yeah, sorry, i think youre completely off base on this.

the box had the best visuals of the bunch, best miltiplayer (even if it is defunct online now) and many many absolutely amazing game.

not to mention that it is easily modable without even lifting a screwdriver and can play all your cartridge games.

i have 2-3x more games on the box than on the ps2 or gc. (however it is changing now that im looking at acquiring some ps2 rpgs).



oh yeah, KotR/Ninja Gaiden

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[Trade-N-Games]

Great system with a ton of great games. I think it will be remembered however goodluck finding one that will work. I see them almost everyday at my store with a dead hard drives.

[MachineGex]

I have about 75 titles on the original XBOX and that is after slimming my collection down. I think it will age fine, my 4 year old son is having a blast with it.

I am worried about the 360 more than the original xbox. I say that because the 360 seems to break. A lot of "experts" expect all of the 360s to have problems because of their design. In ten years, when microsoft stops repairing the 360s, how are you gonna play the games? I thought the wide-spread reports of 360s breaking was hype, but when my 360 died this weekend, I was shocked. I have only 150 hours on that system. I have never had a system break like the 360. It just stop one day for no reason. I never play for longer than a few hours at a time.

I am currently looking at the PS3 closer. The blueray victory and the fact that 360s break so much, it's making me re-think my situation. I know alot of people are waiting for MS to get the "bugs" out of the 360, I wish I would have waited.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

I am currently looking at the PS3 closer. The blueray victory and the fact that 360s break so much, it's making me re-think my situation. I know alot of people are waiting for MS to get the "bugs" out of the 360, I wish I would have waited.

I completely agree. We need a Blu-ray player, and it looks like we'll be buying a PS3 before a 360. Although I had an optical drive (the samsung) go out on my original xbox, making it my first ever console to take a shit. So I had to drop another 179 to buy a 2nd one. I think microsoft has been in the software business so long, they have no idea how to making a fucking console that doesn't break. Kudos to Nintendo and Sony for getting hardware manufacturing right... something that gamers have always taken for granted.

[neuropolitique]

Jade Empire you robot bastard

[Bojay1997]

In my mind, the Xbox will be the least fondly remembered of consoles, at least within the past two generations. Between peoples' animosity towards the relative size of the console and the lack of memorable exclusive titles (Halo excepted), I think the Xbox won't hold a place in many gamers' hearts the way the Gamecube and PS2 will.

Thoughts?

Strongly disagree. The Xbox ranks as my most played system of the last generation and frankly, it was such a good system that I still play games on it and sometimes can't tell the difference between it's games and some of the stuff I own for the 360. It had good controllers and fast loading times, as well as the power to do first person shooters as well as a good mid-range PC. I only wish Microsoft hadn't been so quick to pull the plug.

I believe someone could very easily do a line of $10 or even $20 budget titles (stuff that either didn't get released but was finished or Japan only stuff that was fully in English) on a standalone cardboard display at Target, Best Buy, Walmart and Costco and you could sell 5,000 - 10,000 or more copies of each title even today. Unfortunately, I had a group of investors and a former Xbox developer ready to move on just such a venture, but Microsoft has basically taken the position that they will use the Xbox originals outlet as the only source for original Xbox games and they have no interest whatsoever in supporting the original Xbox at all.

[KeyserSoze61]

It's easily my favorite console from last gen -- the built in HD, strong specs, excellent controller all add up to a better experience. I've been picking up games left and right for dirt cheap, as this is the time to get the games. Most places are clearancing out these games, and the library is pretty solid.

When you add in the strong Live experience, I will quite fondly remember the original Xbox.

[FlufflePuff]

I too will disagree with this one. Of the current/last gen consoles I would think the Dreamcast or PS3 will be the least fondly remembered. Not that these consoles don't have merit or great games, but their history will be remembered as a whole. Dreamcast being the console that killed Sega, coupled with their rapid exit from the market, will in the long term leave the masses either ignorant of the console or indifferent to its existence.

The PS3 is a different subject as the history isn't written on the system yet, but I think that its early struggles coupled with the general animosity towards Sony will leave the PS3 as a second tier console. Again, history always favors the winner, and their is still plenty of time for Sony to pull it together.

[DefaultGen]

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[Moo Cow]

You know something? I agree completely. I don't care about which has better graphics, I don't really get into a lot of FPS's, and that controller was an oversized piece of shit.

I think the PS2 was probably the best system last generation, but lately I've been playing quite a few Gamecube games.

[ncman071]

i really enjoy my ps2, but the original xbox is awesome. like a previous poster said, most of the multiplatform releases were generally better at least graphically on the original xbox. although i do like the controller better on the ps2 and some of the ps2 games seem to have better gameplay especially on some of the sports titles. however, the xbox is a great system. i think i own around 45 games or so for it.

[Leo_A]

I liked the exterior design of the console, and the Controller S was my favorite from the last generation (Minus the d-pad). And it had a ton of great exclusives beyond the Halo series, such as Project Gotham Racing 2.

I think it will be fondly remembered and I know it will be by me. Although it was a very close race, it was my favorite console of the last generation ahead of the Dreamcast, Playstation 2, and GameCube.

[swlovinist]

I have about 75 titles on the original XBOX and that is after slimming my collection down.

I did the same. Here is why the xbox WILL BE REMEMBERED

1. Launch of MS into the console market
2. hundreds of games in the library, many still very playable
3. Many games look great on a HD(not many consoles can say that)
4. Many system link games that support 16 player offline play
5. Can be modded very easily and can be transformed into the ultimate reto box!

Just a few. Sorry bro, the Xbox will be remembered. It wasnt supported like the PS2, but it was a good system and it has its followers

[s1lence]

For the comment about the 360's being hard to repair in 10 years, I disagree. Many people, including some on this site, have figured out how to fix them.

I view it like the nes with the blinking screens or the PS1's that have the lasers go out. People will find a way to fix them. Now, the DRM could pose to be a problem though to Xbox Live Arcade fans.

Back on topic, the Xbox 1 had the second largest library of the last generation, and one that was larger then some of the generation before that. It had the in most cases the better looking ports and the ability to emulate games on it was an added bonus.

[djbeatmongrel]

I have to agree with op on this. I personally thought the xbox graphics were meh (always seemed washed out compared to Gamecube and PS2). The both controller models left something to be desired. When it comes to games there really wasnt much out of the exclusives that left that ever lasting impressions.

Xbox may sit well with other people but i can do without for the most part but neuro did bring up a good point, Jade Empire is the shit. Thats probably the only memorable game out of the few that i played through that had thoroughly impressed me and i have been wanting to play it again.

[emceelokey]

Disagree.

To me the GC will be the least fondly remembered. Of the last generation I have the most games on the Xbox. The majority of my ps2 and GC collections are games that are exclusive to those systems. I think out of the three last gen systems the XBox was the most influential to the current gen.

- Hard Drives / Internal Memory
- Pushed console online gameplay and created a standard to it.
- Downloadable content
- User custom soundtracks

I think MS really thought forward with the Xbox where the PS2 was more of an update to the PSX and Nintendo pretty much seemed to hate anything that was progressive. My only problem with the Xbx and how it ended was that, at best it probably hit half of it's potential. I think they could have went another 2 years with it but business wise it didn't make sense for them to continue to produce that system and for that system when the 360 came out. The way I look at last gen is like this. The GC was for the Nintendo games and that's pretty much it. The PS2 had a lot of quirky games and a lot of support from third parties but a lot of games that became big on that system ported over to Xbox but not all blockbusters (Capcom games), but the Xbox was the everyday / hardcore gamer console. They had the shooters (90% of the library) but they also had games like Gun Valkrye, Panzer Dragoon Orta, KORTR, and stuff like Silent Scope 3 and Steel Batallion.

[Half Japanese]

As above, so below (double post).

[Half Japanese]

I disagree as well. To many folks, the Xbox was sort of a continuation of the Dreamcast, being a non-Sony hardcore gamer's machine. It sure as hell had a rough start with "the Duke" and a pretty shitty launch lineup (outside of Halo), plus every geek's knee-jerk negative reaction to anything put out by Microsoft but it succeeded admirably in the face of all of that. If you're one of those people who just skims the most popular games for a system then of course you're going to say "dur...it's all shooters and racing games," but if you dig deeper you'll find it was home to TONS of first-rate sleeper hits that sites like Hardcore Gaming 101 will have articles on 5-10 years from now. I'm talking Deathrow, Voodoo Vince, Toejam & Earl III, Phantom Crash, Phantom Dust, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Jet Set Radio Future, etc. And that's not counting some of the more mainstream excellent exclusives.

In addition to that, the Xbox will be remembered for the following:

- First console to feature in-game 5.1 surround sound
- First console to feature HD resolution graphics (720p, 1080i)
- First streamlined online setup for consoles (streamlined is the key word here)
- First console to be truly worthwhile to hack/mod

It may not have the library of the ps2, but it smokes the Gamecube in every way in my opinion.

edit: emceelokey added the points about the hard drive and custom soundtracks which I can't believe I overlooked (not having read his post before posting myself). In addition to this, Xbox Live had messaging capabilities in-game...something Sony is just now getting around to implementing on PSN.

[bangtango]

Xbox is the best system to play sports games on since the Sega Genesis. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

Why?

-The hard drive alone is big enough to let you save Franchise modes, created players, user records, custom rosters, settings and whatever else your heart desires for every single sports game in the Xbox library. Then you still have room left over for saves from other games or whatever else you want to cram on the HD. Try pulling that with a PS2 or Gamecube memory card. You'll be lucky to fit half a dozen sports games on a typical Gamecube memory card. Most PS2 memory cards aren't much better. Plus the loading times on a typical Xbox sports title are much faster than the GC or PS2 equivalent.

-Just a better library of football, baseball, basketball and hockey titles. The Microsoft originals (like NFL Fever or NBA Inside Drive) were pretty good, up until MS pulled the plug on that division.

-What's Gamecube got in its sports library that the Xbox ain't got? Home Run King and NBA Courtside, neither of which are blockbusters. Oh and a "rare" Sega Sports college basketball game that happens to cost next to nothing on the Xbox and probably plays better on it.

-What's PS2 got in its sports library that Xbox ain't got? A pile of Sony produced 989 Sports games and their whole run on the PS2 was mostly a joke. Pretty much any good sports game that hit the PS2 also hit the Xbox.

-Xbox had it all in the sports department. EA's catalog. Sega's catalog. Microsoft's own catalog. Konami's catalog (NFL Primetime & NBA Starting Five, etc). Midway's stuff (which admittedly I don't like). Even a small selection from 3DO and Acclaim before both went under. Activision had a street basketball game and of course the Tony Hawk stuff, if you want to classify skating games as "sports."

Can't argue with that. All playable on a controller that reminds me a lot of the Dreamcast, which was another good system for sports titles. This is pretty cut and dry, in my opinion.

However, I don't think there is a definitive answer to boat's topic. Opinions vary, even though most here seem to think the Xbox will be fondly remembered years from now. It all comes down to what type of games you like to play. Simple as that.

[Jackattack]

I don't think I can say too much that hasn't already been said, but if it makes you feel better I think I agree with you, but probably because of my situation (and maybe yours).

- I'm guessing here, but I bet most of the people that love the xbox so much, also have had it for a long time and purchased "the better copy" of each game on it. I got my xbox 3 months ago and saw no need to re-buy games I already had on my GC and PS2.

- I have yet to get into multiplayer gaming on consoles... the PC all the time, but not so much on the xbox, mainly because I was too late. :-p So at least for me, there goes that aspect.

- I also disagree with everyone saying that technical specification are what makes you remember a console. Who cares if it was the first with 5.1, it's standard now. (Stupid Wii, but I love you) Who cares about HD, repeat previous exception. The same can be said about the inclusion of a hard drive or DLC, it doesn't improve what really matters when you remember how great a console was. Please remember that this is my opinion, but when I look at the NES and SNES I remember how fun the games where and the great times I had, not that it had amazing 16-bit graphics, or superb stereo sound and what ever else Nintendo rattled off back then. It's the songs that I still play in my head and the wonderful story that accompanied them plus I can assure you that SMRPG looks a lot better in my memory then on the screen because graphics fade with time. HD, 5.1, DLC, a hard drive they don't make you love a game (or the console it's on), it's the games that do that, and in my opinion (remember most of my games where played on GC and PS2) the xbox had few original games that drew me in and made me love them... hence getting my xbox 7 years late.

- The xbox had a lot of stuff going for it, better online, slighter better graphics, better sound, easily hackable, a hard drive, DLC, but at least for me, the games just didn't do it, even adding in the exclusives that I have and played, and that's what important.

Maybe I missed all the hype that surrounded each game, maybe if I was waiting in line for my copy of Halo 2 at midnight like I did with my Wii and GC I would have other memories tied to the console, but sadly I don't. But based on it's merits alone, what will make me love the console 20 years from now? In my opinion the games, and I think I missed out.


P.S. I think I lost some of my message in my rant earlier. One, let me say that I love my xbox and if it wasn't for SSBB I'd be playing it right now. Two please remember that the original idea of this post was more to explain why some people may not have the fond memories of the xbox, rather than say that the reasons why you love the xbox are wrong.

One last thing, for my age, I really didn't experience the SNES like most of you did, I missed the hype, the waiting in line for that next big game, and only had a few games (7) before I started collecting, but it's at worst my 3rd favorite console, and I have about 15. Even though I missed what some would consider a very important part for loving a console, I completely loved it solely for it's amazing library of games. Apply this to the xbox and the games didn't win. Maybe it's sorta the same for you OP.

[boatofcar]

Great discussion guys; keep it up!

I don't discount the technological advances the Xbox made during the last generation of consoles. It was the most advanced console feature and spec wise, no question. It just seems that in my opinion, in ten years, there will be more people with fond memories of playing the PS2 or GC than the Xbox. Of course, it's just my opinion :)

[diskoboy]

Why does everyone like to rag on ol' Duke?

I love burly controllers, having grown up on the hand cramping 2600 controllers.


And maybe it was because they reminded me so much of the Dreamcast controllers...

[roushimsx]

- I'm guessing here, but I bet most of the people that love the xbox so much, also have had it for a long time and purchased "the better copy" of each game on it. I got my xbox 3 months ago and saw no need to re-buy games I already had on my GC and PS2.

- I have yet to get into multiplayer gaming on consoles... the PC all the time, but not so much on the xbox, mainly because I was too late. :-p So at least for me, there goes that aspect.

- I also disagree with everyone saying that technical specification are what makes you remember a console. Who cares if it was the first with 5.1, it's standard now. (Stupid Wii, but I love you) Who cares about HD, repeat previous exception. The same can be said about the inclusion of a hard drive or DLC, it doesn't improve what really matters when you remember how great a console was.

(snip)

Maybe I missed all the hype that surrounded each game, maybe if I was waiting in line for my copy of Halo 2 at midnight like I did with my Wii and GC I would have other memories tied to the console, but sadly I don't. But based on it's merits alone, what will make me love the console 20 years from now? In my opinion the games, and I think I missed out.

No, I'm quite sure if you'd waited in line for Halo 2 that you'd have much more bitter memories about the system. :) Given that you're more of a single player gamer (hey, me too!), you'd probably find the game underwhelming and uninspired. A couple of neat set pieces and scripted events here and there, but for the most part incredibly generic and repetitive. :(

Given that you just recently purchased the system, you've got a whole bunch of good exclusives out there to hunt down and try out. No doubt you'll have a different opinion of the system after a year or so of experiencing more of what the library has to offer, but even if you only played cross platform games, you'd probably grow to love the Xbox versions more for little reasons. Maybe for the progressive scan, maybe for the much faster game saving and loading (vs. PS2), or maybe for some downloadable single player addon material (like an extra level or two for Splinter Cell).

Hell, even if you don't want to play multiplayer online, LAN parties with Xboxes were all the rage. It was the console that brought the concept of the LAN party to the masses (sure, it wasn't the first...but it popularized the fuck out of it). If you had a buddy with an Xbox, I'm sure you'd be able to find a handful of system link-capable games to play with each other (co-op!).

[Leo_A]

- I also disagree with everyone saying that technical specification are what makes you remember a console. Who cares if it was the first with 5.1, it's standard now. (Stupid Wii, but I love you) Who cares about HD, repeat previous exception. The same can be said about the inclusion of a hard drive or DLC, it doesn't improve what really matters when you remember how great a console was.

Who was? They're just talking about how it was ahead of the competition. Those enhanced capabilities could translate to better versions of the same games that were on the PS2 and GameCube and often did just that. And it could also directly benefit the games and make them more enjoyable such as the addition of online leaderboards to many classic arcade compilations on the Xbox.

So I don't think he was saying that it should be remembered for being first in those areas, but was just commenting on how advanced it was and that it would age better than the competition partly because of that (Such as much of its library being 480p and 16:9, making its library more suited for modern tv's than say the PS2's).

I'll remember a game like Project Gotham Racing 2 down the line because of not only how great of a game it was and how fun it was, but also because of the great times I had online with it through Xbox Live, racing with my favorite songs playing thanks to its custom soundtrack support, and the two great booster packs that it had which added entire new locations and extra cars to the game and extended its life several times.

All that was made possible by the advancements MS made over the competition a generation ago.

[emceelokey]

For some reason I think 10 years from now people will like the GameCube more mainly because of the Nintendo games. That's why I personally have to look at the technological aspects of the systems. The GameCube lived... LIVED off of old franchises. Yes 90% of Nintendo made games were great but that's their job but those games were built specifically for the GC and utilized the hardware to the best they could have. Now when it came to cross platform games, I would never even consider the GC becase the disc was so small that they wuold actually omit some content from games just to get it on that system. You're not going to have the same experience now with those multi platform games now but let me put this in context. If, let's say Madden '05 was coming out and you wanted the game and had all of the systems what would you choose. The GC version which will not have online play, probably lesser graphics than even the PS2 version, and will require you to buy a 251 block memory card if you want to create a custom roster, and will probably miss a few extras compared to the PS and XBox version. The PS2 version which will probably crawl when loading your custom rosters and every menu you go into, and have a lackluster online mode (if any) or the Xbox version which eliminates all of those problems. Remember this is the release week and all 3 versions cost $50. To me the choice is easy.

The Hard Drive on the Xbox was completely groud breaking in the console world and what MS started has now become a standard in todays consoles. The first time I played Tony Hawk with a custom soundtrack I was totally blown away. No system ever did that before. Then I look at the GameCube at the time and I think what the hell is Nintendo doing. They're already on generation late with using cd's, now they use this small disc (which was cool until the novelty wore off) and they have this controller that's not even suitable for a fighting game and doesn't have the "3" buttons (clicking sticks) plus the games are too far and few... TO me the GC just seemed to be catching up then at the end they kept adding these attachments and teying to make you use all these gadgets like the E-Reader, connection cables, gbas, mics and just some nonsense and I just remember the GC as a struggling system the whole time.

That's the way I see it. So to try to get back on subject, I think the GC will be more fondly remembered with time because that system was built on fond memories of Nintendo's past. From my first hand experience I will probably go Xbox, DC, PS2, GC. I think the Xbox will age great but I'll still say that the GC will go for mor in eBay 10 years from now than the Xbox.

[RyanMurf]

Ill let my AVATAR speak for itself.

[Bojay1997]

Great discussion guys; keep it up!

I don't discount the technological advances the Xbox made during the last generation of consoles. It was the most advanced console feature and spec wise, no question. It just seems that in my opinion, in ten years, there will be more people with fond memories of playing the PS2 or GC than the Xbox. Of course, it's just my opinion :)

My issue with the GC is that literally every major franchise has been or will be moved onto the Wii in a much better version. The PS2 is great for niche stuff, but for everything that was multiplatform or dual platform, it was always the weakest version, often not even as good as the GC version. It is completely incapable of playing FPS games well and had very few American or European style RPGs. I have to say that I have always hated the DualShock and it has never been comfortable in my hands. The GC and Xbox controllers are much better designs for my large hards.

The Xbox did a lot of games and a lot of genres very well. The only major exception to this would be Japanese RPGs, but frankly, I have played way too many of those in my lifetime and I would rather play Elder Scrolls or Fable any day. From a pure time spent playing perspective, the Xbox beats the other two consoles for me hands down. I think I played Halo more in the first week I had the Xbox than I played my PS2 in the entire first 18 months I had it after launch. Frankly, I can't remember any of the games I own on the Gamecube (actually, I think I'm around 10 short of a complete collection now) and it wasn't a hard decision to pack it away in the weeks before I got my Wii at launch.

[Jackattack]

Hell, even if you don't want to play multiplayer online, LAN parties with Xboxes were all the rage. It was the console that brought the concept of the LAN party to the masses (sure, it wasn't the first...but it popularized the fuck out of it). If you had a buddy with an Xbox, I'm sure you'd be able to find a handful of system link-capable games to play with each other (co-op!).

I'll give you that, xbox lan parties were fantastic and a lot of people would have had some great memories from them. As of right now I'm having a problem with the statement that I may find some classic games on the system. It's not that I don't think I will it's just that of of all the games that were mentioned in this thread as being great or memorable or sleeper hits, I'm interested in one of them (not including the ones I already have) Like I said, I love my xbox and will be constantly looking for new games for it, but I just don't agree with the statement that most of the people here made that the GC and PS2 will be less fondly remembered then the xbox. Part of that is because of my love for Nintendo and the other part is the length of time I had my PS2 vs. my xbox. Maybe it will change later on though.


Who was? They're just talking about how it was ahead of the competition, and that stuff can translate to better versions of the same games that were on the PS2 and GameCube, and often did just that. And it can directly benefit the games and make them more fun. I don't think he was saying it should be remembered for being first in those areas, but how advanced it was and that it would age better than the competition. I'll remember Project Gotham Racing 2 down the line because of not only how great of a game it was and how fun it was, but the great times I had online with it through Xbox Live, racing to my favorite songs due to playing ripped cd's off it hard drive, and the two great booster packs it had that added entire new locations and cars to the game and extended its life several times.

All that was made possible by the advancements MS made over the competition a generation ago.

Sorry Leo_Ames for doing this as it's really not important to this thread and I do agree with your point that some of the people here were talking about how technical aspects makes games better, but half Japanese 2 posts above me said:


In addition to that, the Xbox will be remembered for the following:

- First console to feature in-game 5.1 surround sound
- First console to feature HD resolution graphics (720p, 1080i)
- First streamlined online setup for consoles (streamlined is the key word here)
- First console to be truly worthwhile to hack/mod

[outsider]

I agree that the XB will be the least memorable. There were so few games that interested me - Ninja Gaiden, Halo, Otogi 1+2 and not much else. The updated versions of Silent Hill 2 and Fatal Frame 1+2 were nice, but they offered little more than what was present within the original PS2 versions. I feel about the same when considering the 360. A few great games that force me to keep the system, but that's about it.

[graciano1337]

If it isn't remembered for the games, it will be remembered for how easy it was to mod. Sorta like how the DC got surge of attention even after Sega pulled the plug.

[Leo_A]

Yeah, you got me there. :)

[bcks007]

Strongly disagree. The system generally had the best versions of multiplatform titles (with only a small number of exceptions), plenty of excellent exclusives (Crimson Skies? Forza? Rallisport Challenge 2? Ghost Recon 2? Oddworld Stranger's Wrath? Ninja Gaiden Black? Unreal Championship 2? Chronicles of Riddick?!?! ...well ok, there was a PC port of that) and some nice niche titles that keep the hardcore gamer demographic nice and happy (Gunvalkyrie, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Jet Set Radio Future, Metal Wolf Chaos, Breakdown).

Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon 2 was not very exclusive, it got a PS2 and gamecube port.

[boatofcar]

Ill let my AVATAR speak for itself.

You modded your Xbox to look like a 360?

[blue lander]

I only recently got an Xbox and I've really been enjoying it. The library of worthwhile games on the system is large (albeit a little narrow, mostly FPSs).

I think the system will age well, unless it becomes completely superceded by the Xbox360. They both basically play the same genre of games, I could see it being forgotten if it gets lost in the 360's shadow.

[bangtango]

If, let's say Madden '05 was coming out and you wanted the game and had all of the systems what would you choose. The GC version which will not have online play, probably lesser graphics than even the PS2 version, and will require you to buy a 251 block memory card if you want to create a custom roster, and will probably miss a few extras compared to the PS and XBox version. The PS2 version which will probably crawl when loading your custom rosters and every menu you go into, and have a lackluster online mode (if any) or the Xbox version which eliminates all of those problems. Remember this is the release week and all 3 versions cost $50. To me the choice is easy.

In the defense of the Gamecube and PS2, Madden 05 (or any of the Madden's) play fine on there when the game is in progress.

But yeah, the better graphics, faster loading times and hard drive capabilities make all the difference in the world.

I have eight sports games on the Gamecube (football/basketball) and have them spread across 2 memory cards, both of which are chock full just from the Franchise mode in each game. I don't have enough blocks remaining to save the settings or my user records in half of those games. That is asinine.

Meanwhile, I've got 20-25 franchise modes going on right now on Xbox, maybe more, spread across numerous sports titles. Custom rosters, seasons, franchises, tournament modes, created players, user records, settings, some games with 2 simultaneous franchise modes. The whole nine yards. That hard drive has got a ton of room left. I could have twice the amount of stuff on there and still be left with lots of space.

The low price of the Gamecube may have been appealing to some people but not to a guy like me who had to go out and pay for 2 memory cards just to hold a fraction of the content that the Xbox hard drive can. That's $40-50 more right there. It got to the point where I quit buying GC sports stuff since I wouldn't have room for them on a memory card anyway and didn't feel like turning a $10 used game into a $30-35 purchase (by getting another memory card). No thanks. Let the next sucker fall for that.

[skaar]

Great system with a ton of great games. I think it will be remembered however goodluck finding one that will work. I see them almost everyday at my store with a dead hard drives.

Care to sell a bunch with dead HDs in a bulk order? :D

Seriously, I have 3 Xboxes in my house - all media players/emulator machines. I think I played about 5 Xbox games ever... everything I did was PS2.

[Poorfamily]

Maybe I'm out of place with this comment but just the fact that you can soft-mod the thing and switch in a huge hard drive gives the Xbox a whole new life. After getting a 360 I went hog wild on my old Xbox and now play it probably more than any of my other consoles.

[Push Upstairs]

I say it will age gracefully based on its emulation ability alone.

[roushimsx]

Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon 2 was not very exclusive, it got a PS2 and gamecube port.

Both Gamecube and PS2 version are the same and they take place 4 years prior to and set up the events for the Xbox (originally Xbox and PC, PC version got canceled) game. The Gamecube/PS2 campaign ties in with Chaos Theory while the Xbox game is more of a sequel.

The Xbox version was developed by Ubisoft Montreal and received great reviews.

The Gamecube and PS2 version was created from the ground up by Ubisoft Shanghai and got more average reviews.

I personally found the Gamecube version to be nearly unplayable thanks to a horrid framerate and some truly god awful mission designs and gameplay decisions. Tedious cluster fuck mess of a game. The titles are also different to reflect their relation to each other:
Ghost Recon 2: 2007 First Contact
Ghost Recon 2: 2011 Final Assault

Additionally, the Xbox received an exclusive sequel/stand alone expansion/whatever, "Ghost Recon 2: Summit Strike".

Going in, I had some pretty high hopes for First Strike, but I got a cold, hard lesson on just how much ass Ubisoft Shanghai was capable of sucking when they put their minds to it. Sure, I could have learned my lesson from their previous Splinter Cell cross platform ports or maybe from Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon....but no, it cost me $18 and a couple of wasted hours to really fully understand. Anymore, I refuse to buy anything they develop.

Looks like a lot of people were bummed out with their take on Double Agent (Xbox 360/PS3/PC) and prefer to play the Xbox version (from Ubisoft Montreal) instead. Go figure!

[digitalpress]

Whoa, I thought this post was being sarcastic... was it?

Funny how differently people can see things. I would see it as the most memorable console of its era. My PS2 and GameCube were pretty much retired for awhile there, save for the first-party and RPG's (which XBox sorely lacked). Just about any title released across platforms was best on XBox. Built in hard drive. Solid online gaming (c'mon, really the ONLY system that did this well). And perhaps most importantly, upgradeable via mods. The XBox in my store is and probably will be for quite some time the MOST used system as it mods so nicely and emulates so well.

All of this is without even getting into the XBox first-party and/or exclusive stuff.

Then again, maybe the OP was just being sarcastic.

[ssjlance]

I see the XBox being remembered fondly. XBox Live has been amazingly popular, so it has that. The PS2 is going to be the one that is remembered most fondly, and the Gamecube will be remembered in a fashion similar to the Sega Master System; good games, but never quite captured enough people's attention.

And the Dreamcast will be remembered somewhat like the Neo Geo. Great arcade style games that only appealed to the hardcore demographic in the long run. Although, it won't be remembered for its outrageous price. What was it at launch? Somewhere around $250?

[Xizer]

In my mind, the Xbox will be the least fondly remembered of consoles, at least within the past two generations. Between peoples' animosity towards the relative size of the console and the lack of memorable exclusive titles (Halo excepted), I think the Xbox won't hold a place in many gamers' hearts the way the Gamecube and PS2 will.

Thoughts?


Since I use Xbox Media Center on pretty much a daily basis to check the week's weather, stream copies of TV shows that just aired, watch movies and emulate the N64, PlayStation and any systems released before it...

You are wrong. Good day sir.

The Xbox is easily the best console ever released.

The PS2 will probably be the system least remembered. It's a fragile piece of garbage that breaks at the drop of a hat, it's got the worst versions of multiplatform titles, and the controller is a pile of ass.

[Lord of the Files]

The PS2 will probably be the system least remembered. It's a fragile piece of garbage that breaks at the drop of a hat, it's got the worst versions of multiplatform titles, and the controller is a pile of ass.

Wrong. Right, but insignificant. Wrong.

The Xbox DVD drive is notorious for breaking down.

Multiplatform titles? Yeah, Madden on Xbox blows all others out of the water. The GTA games were better on Xbox...when they finally came out. The only reason to pull the multiplatform card is because the Xbox exclusive list is pretty weak. Real weak.

The "pile of ass" comment is just plain stupid. The controllers on the PS2, Xbox, and GC were all serviceable. Of course we all have our preferences, and your mileage may vary based on what game you're playing.

[Rob2600]

Not with ya on this one. ... I'd put my money on the GC as being the odd one out.

I disagree:

1. How could the GameCube be the odd one out with huge hits like Super Smash Bros. Melee, Animal Crossing, Resident Evil 4, Metroid Prime, F-Zero GX, Star Wars Rogue Squadron II, and all of the Zelda and Mario games (Golf, Tennis, Strikers, Party, Sunshine, etc.)?

2. GameCube games have some of the quickest load times I've ever seen.

3. I think the design of the GameCube will age better than that of the Xbox. I always found the Xbox to be cheap looking. Maybe it's the glossy black plastic that gets scratched too easily. It's also far too large.

4. The GameCube is more durable. YouTube - crash test consoles (xbox, ps2, gc) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JTZSqDfaNU) and YouTube - Console Damage Test! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVRJtqPRZhQ)

5. The GameCube had the best version of Soulcalibur II.

6. Beach Spikers is far better than Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball.

7. Kabuki Warriors. :)

[Xizer]

Wrong. Right, but insignificant. Wrong.

The Xbox DVD drive is notorious for breaking down.

Multiplatform titles? Yeah, Madden on Xbox blows all others out of the water. The GTA games were better on Xbox...when they finally came out. The only reason to pull the multiplatform card is because the Xbox exclusive list is pretty weak. Real weak.

The "pile of ass" comment is just plain stupid. The controllers on the PS2, Xbox, and GC were all serviceable. Of course we all have our preferences, and your mileage may vary based on what game you're playing.

When it comes to consoles, any title that was released on the PS2 or GameCube that was also released on the Xbox is going to be the superior version. Quit trolling. And of all the multiplatform games to pick to claim is the Xbox's only good multiplatform title, Madden? Madden is a piece of shit no matter what platform it's on.

Also, I don't know what planet you're living on, but the only DVD drives in the Xbox that are notorious for breaking down are the Thomson ones in the very early models. The PS2, on the other hand, was a Disc Read Error machine until the slim came out.

[Gabriel]

It will probably be just like the Dreamcast.

There will be a small segment of hardcore gamers who claim its the best thing in the whole world, and everyone else was just too stupid to see it.

As for the rest of the gaming world, the system is already rightfully discarded and forgotten.

[boatofcar]

Quit trolling.

Oh, the irony.

[Moo Cow]

When it comes to consoles, any title that was released on the PS2 or GameCube that was also released on the Xbox is going to be the superior version. Quit trolling. And of all the multiplatform games to pick to claim is the Xbox's only good multiplatform title, Madden? Madden is a piece of shit no matter what platform it's on.

Also, I don't know what planet you're living on, but the only DVD drives in the Xbox that are notorious for breaking down are the Thomson ones in the very early models. The PS2, on the other hand, was a Disc Read Error machine until the slim came out.

Just because he disagrees with you doesn't mean he's trolling.
Look at the NES> Notorious for breaking down and sitll remembered fondly.

[Push Upstairs]

Custom soundtracks are a gift from the heavens.

[j_factor]

I actually like all 4 last-gen consoles quite a bit. The bottom line is the games, and Xbox had some great ones. I don't like sports games, Halo, racing sims, or most western RPGs. A lot of people think that the Xbox library begins and ends with those games, but I've enjoyed a lot of other Xbox games. Although, it's not entirely true that multiplatform games were always better on Xbox. That's true for the majority of games, but there are quite a few exceptions.

Also, some of the praises given to Xbox are kind of weak. High def support? Xbox's HD support was very, very uneven. It has games that go all the way up to 1080i, but then it has a very large number of games that don't go beyond 480i. I don't understand why about 95% of Dreamcast games can do 480p but for Gamecube and Xbox that percentage is much smaller (and PS2 is pathetic).

[Oobgarm]

It will probably be just like the Dreamcast.

There will be a small segment of hardcore gamers who claim its the best thing in the whole world, and everyone else was just too stupid to see it.

As for the rest of the gaming world, the system is already rightfully discarded and forgotten.

Spot on with one exception: "rightfully" discarded and forgotten

It's got it's spot in gaming history, as pointed out by others above me, and it's library of exclusives will help it stand the test of time.


Quit trolling.

LOL LOL Oh my goodness.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

I disagree:

1. How could the GameCube be the odd one out with huge hits like Super Smash Bros. Melee, Animal Crossing, Resident Evil 4, Metroid Prime, F-Zero GX, Star Wars Rogue Squadron II, and all of the Zelda and Mario games (Golf, Tennis, Strikers, Party, Sunshine, etc.)?

2. GameCube games have some of the quickest load times I've ever seen.

3. I think the design of the GameCube will age better than that of the Xbox. I always found the Xbox to be cheap looking. Maybe it's the glossy black plastic that gets scratched too easily. It's also far too large.

4. The GameCube is more durable. YouTube - crash test consoles (xbox, ps2, gc) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JTZSqDfaNU) and YouTube - Console Damage Test! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVRJtqPRZhQ)

5. The GameCube had the best version of Soulcalibur II.

6. Beach Spikers is far better than Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball.

7. Kabuki Warriors. :)

We'll agree to disagree on this one. PS2 was definitely the winner of the last generation- to which there is very little argument about. But from my standpoint as far as features go and my own playing habits- The XBOX has seen a lot more mileage for me. Not saying the GC had less great titles- but one of the major draws of the GC was the Nintendo IP's- which I haven't gotten into since SNES and some of the N64 days. In fact the main reason I bought a GC was the resident evil games. I am aware of the vast amount of great titles, superior loading times, superior graphical capabilities, and the higher amount of magical fairy dust the GC has...

...But give me an HD (so I don't have to worry juggling memory cards), good FPS selection, a few good WRPGs (including the exclusive Star Wars titles), superior versions of most Tom Clancy titles, any GTA titles, and Half Life 2- and I'll be set.

I should have known better than to take Nintendo mafia bait. But it's really my fault for saying something negative about the Gamecube. But come on, the older I get the less I want to play: Mario, Zelda, Star Fox, Pokemon, Warrio, Luigi, or Yoshi based games. I don't dispute they're fun- but they're not me right now.

And while I'm pissing people off- I don't like anime either and JRPG's are mostly long interactive anime movies... and XBOX had fewer of those than any other systems. Which is another reason I like the XBOX. Big hair, large eyes, and too many cute grunts freak me out.

[Leo_A]

Also, some of the praises given to Xbox are kind of weak. High def support? Xbox's HD support was very, very uneven. It has games that go all the way up to 1080i, but then it has a very large number of games that don't go beyond 480i. I don't understand why about 95% of Dreamcast games can do 480p but for Gamecube and Xbox that percentage is much smaller (and PS2 is pathetic).

I bet percentage wise, they're very comparable. Only 2 out of my 30 GameCube games can't do 480p for example. And nearly all of my Xbox collection can do at least 480p. Not including the Playstation 2 of course, I don't think more than maybe 20% of my collection has progressive scan support there.

[j_factor]

I bet percentage wise, they're very comparable. Only 2 out of my 30 GameCube games can't do 480p for example. And nearly all of my Xbox collection can do at least 480p. Not including the Playstation 2 of course, I don't think more than maybe 20% of my collection has progressive scan support there.

Are there Gamecube/Xbox games that support progressive scan / HDTV without having the appropriate icon on the back? Only 9 of my 44 US Gamecube games are marked as progressive scan compatible. Similarly, just 19 of my 47 Xbox games are marked as HDTV.

[mailman187666]

as far as being remembered for its games library, I'd have to say that it may not age as well as PS2 or GC, but it should fair alright 20 years down the road. I get an idea of what the OP was talking about, and I think a lot of people made some strong points as to why it would age well also. For me personally, the original xbox won't really be as memorable as many other systems out there. Now the little "fix" i did to my xbox on the other hand should make it last for a loooong time for me.

[Lord of the Files]

When it comes to consoles, any title that was released on the PS2 or GameCube that was also released on the Xbox is going to be the superior version. Quit trolling. And of all the multiplatform games to pick to claim is the Xbox's only good multiplatform title, Madden? Madden is a piece of shit no matter what platform it's on.

I didn't choose Madden as the Xbox's only good multiplatform title. It was just the first example that came to mind of (a) a game that came out for all 3 systems and (b) a game that no one will care about in the long run. Kind of like all the Need for Speeds and Medal of Honors of the world. I mean, I'm supposed to be impressed because Xbox had the best version of Need for Speed? If not, what is that great multiplatform title that the Xbox had the best version of?

And when you say "superior" version, how "superior" are we talking here? There's a big difference between Donkey Kong on the VCS and Donkey Kong on the Colecovision. Is Burnout 3 that much better on the Xbox than the PS2?


Also, I don't know what planet you're living on, but the only DVD drives in the Xbox that are notorious for breaking down are the Thomson ones in the very early models. The PS2, on the other hand, was a Disc Read Error machine until the slim came out.

I live on the planet where the PS2 I bought in 2002 has outlived 2 Xboxes and one Xbox 360. With 100s of hours more play time and DVD use.


Madden is a piece of shit no matter what platform it's on.

Madden is "a piece of shit" and the PS2 controller is "a pile of ass". Why do I find your ability to communicate an informed, reasoned opinion a bit suspect?

[roushimsx]

Is Burnout 3 that much better on the Xbox than the PS2?

Depends on how much you care about slightly better graphics, much improved save times, and quicker load times. Slightly quicker load times, smoother framerates and drastically improved save times are three of the most common upgrades games would get in the Xbox releases, though there's other games (like Fatal Frame II and Burnout 2) that'd receive additional content that would never see release back on PS2 or Gamecube (though some would get ported back to PS2 in subsequent rereleases, such as MGS2 and Silent Hill 2).

Save times on the Gamecube are extremely peppy on average, but on PS2 they can be agonizingly slow. Thank god some games (like Ratchet & Clank, Jak & Daxter, and Sly Cooper) find creative ways to hide the loading/saving times, because even on smaller saves it's a pain in the ass.

Framerates can be spotty in PS2 and Gamecube versions of multiplatform games (particularly because most of them used the PS2 version as the basis for the GC version), though a couple of games came away looking really good (Gamecube version of Beyond Good & Evil and I hear the Gamecube version of Warrior Within?). Still, the majority were smoother are the Xbox.


Are there Gamecube/Xbox games that support progressive scan / HDTV without having the appropriate icon on the back?

Yes, but for the life of me I can't remember any examples off hand. It's something I didn't pay too much attention to since I never could get my dick beaters on a set of Gamecube component cables.

[Xizer]

I didn't choose Madden as the Xbox's only good multiplatform title. It was just the first example that came to mind of (a) a game that came out for all 3 systems and (b) a game that no one will care about in the long run. Kind of like all the Need for Speeds and Medal of Honors of the world. I mean, I'm supposed to be impressed because Xbox had the best version of Need for Speed? If not, what is that great multiplatform title that the Xbox had the best version of?

And when you say "superior" version, how "superior" are we talking here? There's a big difference between Donkey Kong on the VCS and Donkey Kong on the Colecovision. Is Burnout 3 that much better on the Xbox than the PS2?



I live on the planet where the PS2 I bought in 2002 has outlived 2 Xboxes and one Xbox 360. With 100s of hours more play time and DVD use.



Madden is "a piece of shit" and the PS2 controller is "a pile of ass". Why do I find your ability to communicate an informed, reasoned opinion a bit suspect?

I fail to see how my opinion isn't informed or reasoned. As someone who has used both a PS2 controller and played Madden, I am entitled to the opinion that one of them is a "pile of ass" and the other one is a "piece of shit."


What is the great multiplatform title the Xbox has the best version of? Hmm, let's see...

-Any driving game
-Any shooter
-Beyond Good & Evil
-Grand Theft Auto series
-I-Ninja
-Metal Gear Solid 2
-Mortal Kombat and other fighting series
-Prince of Persia
-Psychonauts
-Sonic series
-Star Wars games
-Tony Hawk series

[Rob2600]

give me an HD (so I don't have to worry juggling memory cards), good FPS selection, a few good WRPGs (including the exclusive Star Wars titles), superior versions of most Tom Clancy titles, any GTA titles, and Half Life 2- and I'll be set.

I guess that's why I like the GameCube better: I'm not into first-person shooters, RPG's, Tom Clancy titles, GTA titles, or Half Life. I'm into arcade-style games (Beach Spikers, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Wario Ware, Burnout 2, Soulcalibur II, Wave Race: Blue Storm, etc.).

If Nintendo ever releases a new home Star Fox game that's as great as Star Fox 64, I'll be set!

[Lord of the Files]

What is the great multiplatform title the Xbox has the best version of? Hmm, let's see...

-Any driving game
-Any shooter
-Beyond Good & Evil
-Grand Theft Auto series
-I-Ninja
-Metal Gear Solid 2
-Mortal Kombat and other fighting series
-Prince of Persia
-Psychonauts
-Sonic series
-Star Wars games
-Tony Hawk series

I'm still not seeing THE great multiplatform title that blew all others out of the water. Sonic series, honestly? Mortal Kombat? Say wasn't Rogue Leader a Gamecube game? By any shooter you mean like Gradius 5 or Ikaruga? Oh, never mind.

Microsoft's legacy in gaming:

-Halo
-XBLA
-broken stuff

[roushimsx]

Microsoft's legacy in gaming:

-Halo
-XBLA
-broken stuff

Somehow you're completely forgetting Mechwarrior 3, Crimson Skies (and its sequel), Forza Motorsport, Ages of Empires series, Close Combat series, Midtown Madness series, acquisition and dissolving of Digital Anvil, acquisition and dissolving of Access (makers of the best golf series ever), securing major exclusive games from Epic (Gears of War, Unreal Championship 2), and multiple other highlights.

But sure, you can just be a biased outsider and highlight that they published Halo, rolled out XBLA, and completely fucked up the Xbox360 hardware design in an attempt to be first to the market. I mean, who really cares about what Microsoft has actually done as a publisher or even in the realm of PC operating systems (DirectX was an eventual godsend after a few rocky releases)?

[Leo_A]

Are there Gamecube/Xbox games that support progressive scan / HDTV without having the appropriate icon on the back? Only 9 of my 44 US Gamecube games are marked as progressive scan compatible. Similarly, just 19 of my 47 Xbox games are marked as HDTV.

I haven't paid attention really to the logos on the back of my Xbox cases, but it's sadly not unusual for GameCube titles to not be shown as progressive scan capable. And there's also several titles misidentified as supporting progressive scan that are actually 480i only.

I wouldn't go by the back of Xbox cases either since there seems to be a fair amount of mistakes such as a couple of the Midway Arcade Treasures titles being shown as Xbox Live enabled while MAT2 lacks the labeling on the front cover near the top despite having the same XBL functionality as the other two. And after taking a quick look at a few titles just now, some don't even have the table on the back showing the feature listing that tells you if it supports higher resolutions and such, including F1 2001.

So if things like that are any indication of their accuracy and consistency, I bet a lot of titles may be missing their appropriate logos on the Xbox.

And I suppose my GameCube collection might be skewed a bit since as a Xbox owner, I went there most often for multiplatform releases. Most of my GameCube collection are the top titles like Nintendo's first party lineup and things like Resident Evil 4 (I don't own the other GC RE's that were 480i only though). Besides Midway Arcade Treasures 1 and Pro Rally 2002, all of my GCN collection supports progressive scan. And that's no big loss, Pro Rally isn't very good anyways, and if I want to play MAT at 480p, I own the Xbox version which does support it.

Even the GameBoy Player is progressive scan.

[Lord of the Files]

But sure, you can just be a biased outsider and highlight that they published Halo, rolled out XBLA, and completely fucked up the Xbox360 hardware design in an attempt to be first to the market.

A biased outsider or an average consumer. Pull the average Joe off the street and ask him what MS has done for gaming....I think you'll more likely hear about Halo or his brother's dead 360 than Direct X.

But if you wish to accuse me of being biased because I've paid for 3 systems that ended up dying in less than a year, you're probably right.

Putting aside all arguments about software, I have to agree with the OP simply because I doubt very many original Xboxes will still be working in 5 years.

[ProgrammingAce]

Putting aside all arguments about software, I have to agree with the OP simply because I doubt very many original Xboxes will still be working in 5 years.

I'll take that bet, i've seen the hardware failure projections for the xbox1...

Joe 6-pack on the street isn't going to be playing xbox1 games 5 years down the road, so his opinion probably doesn't matter too much in this topic.

From a graphics standpoint, i think the xbox will stand up pretty well as time goes on. Better then the PS2, certainly. While Halo 2 looked like ass, Chronicles of Riddick and Ninja Gaiden show what the system is capable of.

It has a little something for everyone.
You like racers? Forza.
RPG? Baldur's Gate.
Flight? Blazing Angels.
Japanese FPS? Breakdown.
2D Platforming? Megaman.
Mech? Steel Battalion
Sims? Sims.
Shoot-em-up? Xyanide (thought i was going to miss that genre, eh?)

Just the fact that the system doesn't use memory cards will go a long way towards making the system popular.... And you really can't ignore the emulators or xbox media center.

[mercarian]

Honestly, I think that most of the new systems won't be considered "classic" like some of the current older systems. The Xbox on its own is a good system, with a good library of games. However, its also a technological system, and as time goes on people won't look to get one (ie its good, but people will look to get more advanced systems, as that what was cool about this system when it came out). This is all my own opinion of course. O_o

[Xizer]

I'm still not seeing THE great multiplatform title that blew all others out of the water. Sonic series, honestly? Mortal Kombat? Say wasn't Rogue Leader a Gamecube game? By any shooter you mean like Gradius 5 or Ikaruga? Oh, never mind.

Microsoft's legacy in gaming:

-Halo
-XBLA
-broken stuff

Okay guys, just trust me on this one. Ignore this guy. He's a 4-post troller. It's pretty sad that someone would take the time to troll the original Xbox but I guess some people are fortunate enough to have lives where they have incredible amounts of free time at their disposal.

[j_factor]

I haven't paid attention really to the logos on the back of my Xbox cases, but it's common for GameCube titles to not be shown as progressive scan capable, and there's several titles misidentified as supporting progressive scan that are actually 480i only.

I wouldn't go by the back of Xbox cases either, there seems to be a fair amount of mistakes such as a couple of the Midway Arcade Treasures titles being shown as Xbox Live enabled, but MAT2 lacks the labeling on the front cover near the top despite having the same XBL functionality as the other two. And after taking a quick look at a few titles just now, some don't even have the table on the back showing the feature listing that tells you if it supports higher resolutions and such, including F1 2001.

So if things like that are any indication of their accuracy and consistency, I bet a lot of titles may be missing their appropriate logos on the Xbox.

Well shit, how is one supposed to be able to tell then? Are there lists somewhere?


And I suppose my GameCube collection might be skewed a bit since as a Xbox owner, I went there most often for multiplatform releases. Most of my GameCube collection are the top titles like Nintendo's first party lineup and things like Resident Evil 4 (I don't own the other GC RE's that were 480i only though), besides Midway Arcade Treasures 1 and Pro Rally 2002, all mine support progressive scan. And that's no big loss, Pro Rally isn't very good anyways, and if I want to play MAT at 480p, I own the Xbox version which supports it.

I had an Xbox before PS2 or Gamecube (although I got all three within 6 months of each other). More of my multiplatform games are on Xbox, but there are a handful that I have on Gamecube because the GC version is slightly better. I have a mild OCD thing about making sure I get the best version possible, even when the differences are slight.

[Push Upstairs]

Is Burnout 3 that much better on the Xbox than the PS2?

I chose the XBOX version simply for the custom soundtrack, but then I already knew what I wanted to use for music before I even got the game.

[Lord of the Files]

Okay guys, just trust me on this one. Ignore this guy. He's a 4-post troller. It's pretty sad that someone would take the time to troll the original Xbox but I guess some people are fortunate enough to have lives where they have incredible amounts of free time at their disposal.

That's pretty funny. It's obvious from the responses to you calling me a "troll" earlier that you are the resident forum dunce. Every message board's got one.

A taste of your own medicine, perhaps?

[The 1 2 P]

In my mind, the Xbox will be the least fondly remembered of consoles, at least within the past two generations. Between peoples' animosity towards the relative size of the console and the lack of memorable exclusive titles (Halo excepted), I think the Xbox won't hold a place in many gamers' hearts the way the Gamecube and PS2 will.

Thoughts?

Can't believe I missed this thread. Especially since I always check out Xbox threads. Anyway, like 99% of all the other people have said: you're wrong. Ok, thats harsh. You are of course entitled to your opinion but I bet people will still be playing games on Xbox live on the original Xbox for many many years to come, which will easily make it one of the most memorable consoles of all time.


Great discussion guys; keep it up!

I don't discount the technological advances the Xbox made during the last generation of consoles. It was the most advanced console feature and spec wise, no question. It just seems that in my opinion, in ten years, there will be more people with fond memories of playing the PS2 or GC than the Xbox. Of course, it's just my opinion :)

I think at this point you read your thread and realized that almost nobody else agreed with you. I wonder why:p


Whoa, I thought this post was being sarcastic... was it?

Funny how differently people can see things. I would see it as the most memorable console of its era. My PS2 and GameCube were pretty much retired for awhile there, save for the first-party and RPG's (which XBox sorely lacked). Just about any title released across platforms was best on XBox. Built in hard drive. Solid online gaming (c'mon, really the ONLY system that did this well). And perhaps most importantly, upgradeable via mods. The XBox in my store is and probably will be for quite some time the MOST used system as it mods so nicely and emulates so well.

All of this is without even getting into the XBox first-party and/or exclusive stuff.

Then again, maybe the OP was just being sarcastic.

There you have it from the man himself. And no, Boat wasn't being sarcastic. He was being dead serious. It would be akin to me saying one of the following: "the PS2 had the worst third party support", "Halo is the worst console fps" and "the Gamecube had the worst first party games". The difference is, I was being sarcastic. Too bad he wasn't.

[scooterb23]

I was being sarcastic.


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