Issues with collectors & LARGE collections... (Rant) [Archive]

VitaminX

04-02-2008, 03:19 PM

Captain Wrong

04-02-2008, 03:25 PM

*blah blah blah*...I saw a photo of a guy who had literally the Top 25 shumps ever to grace a home console, that made me envy. I needed them.

So, you're upset people have things you want. Got it.

GrandAmChandler

04-02-2008, 03:32 PM

Dash Galaxy & The Alien Asylum > Radiant Silvergun.

There.

I said it.

bust3dstr8

04-02-2008, 03:37 PM

Its apples and oranges. They are collectors and you are a retro gamer, see the difference?

Captain Wrong

04-02-2008, 03:38 PM

Dash Galaxy & The Alien Asylum > Radiant Silvergun.

There.

I said it.

AWW HELL NAW!!!!

<- is ROTFLMAO. (Admit it, GAC, you said that just to get me to post more than once in a day, didn't you?)

tom

04-02-2008, 03:43 PM

>>>>My entire collection puts huge emphasis on quality over quantity. I have put huge amounts of time in researching the Top 25 games for each platform & system & investing in them.<<<<

That won't work. Who says the Top 25 is full of quality games when you get stuff like The Matrix, a number one game for numerous months. Or the 1000 versions of crap driving games. Or the awful Harry Potter titles.

And who defines a quality or crap game? Personally I think most Zelda games are crap. But some people do like them.

s1lence

04-02-2008, 03:50 PM

What is the top 25 games for each system?

The Supergrafx doesnt have 25 games.........

PapaStu

04-02-2008, 03:51 PM

What about the NGPC? It busts your 25 game rule. Topping out at 32 releases, all of which were excellent. What do you do? WHAT DO YOU DO? I chose to get all 32, I hope that your image of me doesn't change too drastically.

GrandAmChandler

04-02-2008, 03:54 PM

AWW HELL NAW!!!!

<- is ROTFLMAO. (Admit it, GAC, you said that just to get me to post more than once in a day, didn't you?)

What can I say? Us "Veterans" have to check to see if other "Veterans" are still on their toes!

Dash Galaxy sucks. Don't play it. Seriously.

You have been warned. Dude. Seriously. You'll be banned if you play it.

Just ask Blake Stone.

Adol

04-02-2008, 04:10 PM

Ever considered than IN the 1000 games,there IS the 25 top games?
So that the guy owning the 1000 games hasn't "crap" but quality games AND,in addition,other games (who could be crap)?

Captain Wrong

04-02-2008, 04:17 PM

What can I say? Us "Veterans" have to check to see if other "Veterans" are still on their toes!

Dash Galaxy sucks. Don't play it. Seriously.

You have been warned. Dude. Seriously. You'll be banned if you play it.

Just ask Blake Stone.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

All joking aside though, Dash Galaxy is better than Radiant Silvergun.

*ducks*

Frankie_Says_Relax

04-02-2008, 04:18 PM

VitaminX, please remember that "quality" for the most part, is relative.

What you consider to be of the highest quality/worthy of praise may be the exact opposite to others.

Also, "collecting" is an aspect of this hobby that will at times cause "collectors" to pursue and obtain games and items that are more RARE AND/OR VALUABLE than they are well produced, fun to play games.

Chase the Chuckwagon for Atari 2600 is a great example of a game that is very rare, very valuable, and very awful.

But, even that having been said, by the logic of your rant (and I could be wrong) you are making sweeping generalizations about the quality of everything that is NOT a AAA title, and slighting people who buy anything BUT the BEST product on the market. (While at the same time admitting to owning some games you are slightly embarrassed about ... because you have some type of nostalgic attachment to them.)

That's sort of un-fair, not only to collectors who aim for "complete" collections regardless of content, as well as those who buy games based on market value, OR - ANY level of entertainment that they provide ...

... I mean, do I think House of the Dead 2 & 3 Return on the Wii is a AAA title? No. Do I think it will end up on the top 25 best Wii games of all time? Probably not, simply by virtue of it being a set of ports from a different era/generation of games ... but do I think it's a VERY FUN GAME that's absolutely WORTH owning? Yes. Yes I do.

Is it CRAP? No.

In review : Some people buy BELOW AVERAGE games for several reasons ... they're collectors, they're completests, and they get a level of enjoyment from "owning" the game as a part of a growing collection above and beyond anything that would come from actually PLAYING said games.

Some people play enough AAA games on a yearly basis that they have a level of appreciation for AVERAGE quality games if for nothing else - VARIETY (the spice of gaming life!) Yes, the best designed AAA games ARE often worth experiencing if not owning, but there are some gaming concepts (say, for example - Bass Fishing games) that simply have NEVER EXISTED as a AAA title.

And last but not least ... quality, for the most part, is relative when it comes to entertainment properties. What you consider to be THE BEST, others may consider THE WORST.

ShinobiMan

04-02-2008, 04:22 PM

So that the guy owning the 1000 games hasn't "crap" but quality games AND,in addition,other games (who could be crap)?

This is the most horribly phrased sentence ever to grace this forum... but I like it! :hail:

As for the thread itself, there is a fine line between those who just love to collect and those who just want to play. If you are a true collector of a particular system or platform, most of the time the quality of the game matters very little. You just want it all.

I am currently collecting NES games... I would love to one day own every US NES game ever released. Now believe me, there are a truckload of crap games in this 700 + collection, but for me, it goes beyond that. As a kid, I used to dream about what it would be like to own every Nintendo game ever made.

We're just trying to make our dreams come true is all. ;)

ProgrammingAce

04-02-2008, 04:24 PM

I have put huge amounts of time in researching the Top 25 games for each platform & system & investing in them.

Spending huge amounts of time researching the top 25 games for each platform is a huge waste of time akin to watching paint dry. Why would anyone waste their time on such a project is beyond me.

There's no reason for anyone to even own games these days, rent what you want from gamefly and buy a few XBLA or Virtual Console titles if you need to play any of that stupid retro stuff.

Either that, or realize that some people like things that you don't. Either-or...

Fuyukaze

04-02-2008, 05:17 PM

Let me get this right.
1.You think people with large collections of games that span entire genres vs a few select titles are odd?
2.You only get the top 25 games for each system that others have ranked as being the "top" 25 of each system?
3.You admit to having a number of games that others dont consider top 25 material on the grounds you enjoyed them as a child?
4.Someone has a collection of shooters and you dont so you envy them and feel you "need" them?
5.You honestly believe anyone with a larger collection then you would give a shit what you think of them or what they legaly choose to spend their money on?

Your thread is full of fail, you are the weakest link, and I am dumber just for having put any thought about it. In fact, I'd go so far to say I'm stupid enough now to start hunting down that Dash Galaxy & The Alien Asylum. Dont know what system it's for but what the hell, it must be good if collectors with huge collections mention it. That or those zelda games for the CD-I. I here those things are ultra gay. Gay is cool isnt it?

TonyTheTiger

04-02-2008, 05:31 PM

*blah blah blah*...I saw a photo of a guy who had literally the Top 25 shumps ever to grace a home console, that made me envy. I needed them.

So, you're upset people have things you want. Got it.

So he had 25 copies of U.N. Squadron?

LifeGame

04-02-2008, 05:45 PM

I got 6 copies of DASH Galaxy, its for the NES for those who dont know! REAL BAD!

Trebuken

04-02-2008, 05:53 PM

Couple thoughts.

I do not feel I have to beat any game any more (only new and great games do I try to complete). I can put a game in one day, play it, and not touch it again for years...but having sold my games as a kid I know I may have that urge to play it again.

I enjoy collecting itself. It's not just about playing games. It might be an OCD thing, but it works. Many people collect different things, it's a good preoccupation from one's daily life...

The 'top' lists are never finished until each of us has drawn our own conclusions.

Flack

04-02-2008, 05:57 PM

Here it is. Something I have always failed to understand. Why do people BUY CRAP???. Anyone??? There are literally hundreds/thousands of great games out there of which you will never have the time to finish, even if you tried to play through them all. So why do alot of guys on boards like this go out & buy CRAP when watching paint dry seems more pleasurable to the human eye???. And the worst part, wasting your god damn time playing them through, the entire game, oh jesus, as some guys do.

There are just as many people here who fail to understand your method of collecting as well. The beauty of a hobby is that you can make up your own rules and do whatever makes you happy. Any time you spend worrying about what other people are doing just takes up time that you could be using to enjoy your own collection.

Of the thousands of registered Digital Press users I'll bet you that no two have identical collections. Buy and play what you want and let others do the same. It's just games, after all.

RadiantSvgun

04-02-2008, 06:05 PM

Dash Galaxy & The Alien Asylum > Radiant Silvergun.

There.

I said it.

LIES!!!!

Only HyperDuel> Radiant Silvergun

Wheres that soap box...

Here it is. Something I have always failed to understand. Why do people BUY CRAP???. Anyone??? There are literally hundreds/thousands of great games out there of which you will never have the time to finish, even if you tried to play through them all. So why do alot of guys on boards like this go out & buy CRAP when watching paint dry seems more pleasurable to the human eye???. And the worst part, wasting your god damn time playing them through, the entire game, oh jesus, as some guys do.

My entire collection puts huge emphasis on quality over quantity. I have put huge amounts of time in researching the Top 25 games for each platform & system & investing in them. I will admit to having a literally a few skeletons in my collection but this is due to the fact there old-time favourites I played as a kid & bring back times of my greatest years, but these guys with massive collections brings no envy to my eyes at all. 2/10 games, no point. I saw a photo of a guy who had literally the Top 25 shumps ever to grace a home console, that made me envy. I needed them. So give me that particular guys collection of just over 80 games of pure quality, games that revolutionised genres, over a 3000/5000+ collection of crap anyday.

I guess some people probably just have a little too much money, mo money, mo problems to ship the CRAP out.

Dude, what and what isn't crap is all in the eyes of the buyer. So what if people have complete collections? Doesn't bother me a bit. I have completed everything I own, and I've gotten way over the 500 mark. Really, I don't see where this rant comes from, since collectors aren't stopping you from getting your games. No one says you have to get this and have to have a collection. Its just a hobby. I'm amazed at the large collections, because I know that a lot of hard work went into it. None of my stuff has come easy, and I doubt it has for the other collectors either.

GrandAmChandler

04-02-2008, 06:38 PM

LIES!!!!

Only HyperDuel> Radiant Silvergun

Check it out for yourself! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_uUkTGeVw

http://media.gamestats.com/gg/image/object/007/007427/dashgalaxy_nesboxboxart_160w.jpg > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/03/Radiant_silvergun.jpg/250px-Radiant_silvergun.jpg

RadiantSvgun

04-02-2008, 06:50 PM

Check it out for yourself! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_uUkTGeVw

http://media.gamestats.com/gg/image/object/007/007427/dashgalaxy_nesboxboxart_160w.jpg > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/03/Radiant_silvergun.jpg/250px-Radiant_silvergun.jpg

Thats 8 minutes of my life I want back GrandAmChandler.

Aussie2B

04-02-2008, 07:12 PM

So who decides what's worth buying then? It's obviously not you because you'd have to first buy them and try them out to decide if they're "Top 25" material or not (unless you into downloading every ROM for a system and going through them one by one). It's pretty sad if you only buy games that the mainstream labels as great. You're going to be missing out on so many under-appreciated but still excellent titles. While everybody collects for a different reason, did you ever stop and think that maybe people who own a ton of games ARE searching for quality titles? I mean, if a game is dirt cheap, then why not? Even if you don't end up liking it, at least it's a new experience. Then the person can decide if they want to either sell it off or keep around in the collection just for the sake of having it, maybe to whoop out a bad game from time to time and laugh at it.

Also, when you consider the massive amount of games that have been produced in the history of video games, I honestly think it's possible to have a collection of a few thousand games that consists of games that range from decent to excellent without having too many truly awful games in there.

Dangerboy

04-02-2008, 07:15 PM

Where's that giant steering wheel....

Oh yes, here it is. Let me get this thread back on course.

Crap games are wonderful. In fact, as owner of a complete PSX library, there are a LOT of shitty games in there. But I love them; each and everyone of them...and I'll tell you why.

Because with out shitty games, we'd only have shitty games.

Here's why:

1st. Quality is subjective. That ruins any argument you'd have. Period.

2nd. If all you have are what you consider "quality games", not all of them are equal to each other. That means that some of your games are not as good as your other games. If you start playing the 'higher quality' games of your 'quality games', then you're making part of that collection shitty, since you won't be playing those games as often as the ones you play a lot.

Crappy games help define what makes other games good. Can't have one without the other.

3rd. Because you need to proclaim and chest thump that your collection is so superior to what's available, obviously you have an inferiority complex because you must defend it, since others may think there are bad games in there OR you are a lemming, who must follow the grades and reviews of others who determine what makes something great.

Embrace the shitty games - they only push others to make better product.

That said, I'm in the mood for some StarCraft 64, the best version I ever played.

TonyTheTiger

04-02-2008, 07:24 PM

I still find myself wanting to play U.N. Squadron and Abadox more often than Radiant Silvergun. RS is an amazing game but it's still a shoot-em-up. Not God in a box like so many people rave about.

Cryomancer

04-02-2008, 07:26 PM

I love the hell out of stupid budget games personally. Those big titles get all the money they want to keep halfassing stuff, those small developers run with a premise best they can and generally try to stick to doing one thing right.

Earth Defense Force? shoot giant bugs. it works, it's great, you should buy it.

Maxx

04-02-2008, 07:28 PM

I think it's kinda funny how a dude with only 21 posts makes fun of all collectors and everyone get's their panties in a twist.

Sigh... I might as well get twisted too...

I only collect because I don't have time to play. Wife and two kids plus I work 55-65 hours a week. Besides, how do you know it's a crap game untill you play it?

Ed Oscuro

04-02-2008, 08:08 PM

Dash Galaxy & The Alien Asylum > Radiant Silvergun.
I have one of these but not the other. Guess which one I have! Answer below.

To be honest, it makes me vaguely angry that people buy crap, though I know I shouldn't. I should be angrier at the companies who make the crap in the first place. That said, I refuse to stroke somebody's ego over their collection nowadays (partly because it's a waste of my time, partly because I don't like to reinforce collecting as a crutch people are using to fill a gap in their life), but I also won't go into their "look at me i am auesum" thread to bash them, since that's going to needlessly cause anger which is unwarranted.

That said, I think collectors tend to get angry when somebody brings this up partly because they are reminded a little of the fact that they could be using the money more profitably.

Personally? I emulate a lot and haven't bought a game in a month or so - my last purchases were two Famicom games, one of which I've been wanting for a few years. I likely won't play it much, but I never know where my gaming habits will be some years from now.

Dangerboy's argument is interesting despite appearing dumb; I respect him greatly, but I think he has has made a fairly catastrophic failure in his reasoning here.

Can there be shitty types of games (yes or no - I say no, read why)?

Any game that exists is a real version of a theoretical "improved" or "perfect" version that doesn't exist but is possible to write and make (unlike a number such as 2, which does not exist - as an entity - in the real world; you can only use the number 2 to describe things in the real world or use it in an abstract sense).

So take a game like Dash Galaxy in the Alien Asylum. It is a shitty game (that I own - 100% like new condition booyah), and while I would agree that it would NOT be better for it to have never been made, it would ALSO have been much better for it to have been designed more competently. Look at the design and improve the game mechanics (and possibly the programming, although I don't remember if that was an issue), and it can become a not-shitty game.

I reject the "without shitty games there wouldn't be good games" comment out of hand. There is a mathematical "space of potential games" which will likely never be made, like Hellraiser for the NES or Flubjub's Exciting Cashew Pollination Adventure for the Xbox 360, and an XBLA update of Michael Jackson's Moonwalker seems out of the question as well. Without games that companies create just to keep moving a product, and only with these great games (remember there are potential versions of all three games along an infinite spectrum of good, better, bad, and slightly worse) and without the games which don't quite work but could have been tweaked to be better WE WOULD BE HAPPIER . B-Wings uses some of the ideas that Radiant Silvergun, Raiden Fighters Jet, and Nova 2001 use, just not competently. With some (major, but simple) improvements it could recognizably be both the same game and also not crap.

A more straightforward response to Dangerboy would be this - nobody spends time with "shitty games," because if they spend time with them there is obviously something about the game (or its packaging, or its history - to be fair these aren't really aspects of the game itself, but you also can't divorce them from being a part of the game itself) that is not shitty and which they enjoy. Perhaps my utilitarian slant is showing through: enjoyment != shitty.

Ed Oscuro

04-02-2008, 08:12 PM

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carlcarlson

04-02-2008, 08:20 PM

Personally I think it's dumb to buy complete collections (in general, though there are exceptions). I say this because we all know that 80% of most system's library is utter crap. Why would anyone in his right mind spend money on this junk?

Because they want to. And that is the important point. As has already been pointed out, collecting is a personal thing and has nothing to do with anyone else. If it makes you happy then you're doing it the right way. If you really feel like spending $20k on a CIB Shovelware set, then by all means go right ahead. I have over 450 NES games, I've played maybe 50 of them. That's dumb right? Not if it makes me happy to have them sitting on the shelf.

Ed Oscuro

04-02-2008, 08:51 PM

And that is the important point. As has already been pointed out, collecting is a personal thing and has nothing to do with anyone else.
Externalities and responsibilities, my friend.

Going into debt (I don't know any examples, thankfully, and wouldn't name names even if I did) is bad for everybody, including the economy at large. All of us (myself included) that kinda live from one day to the next as far as money goes also could be doing more to save up.

If you've got a family, obviously there's an argument to be made that you should be putting your money into the kids' college funds and emergency funds and whatnot.

Okay, so if those things don't apply, it must be great?

Well, there's also the matter of how collecting comes to be fun. I personally like game artwork, and not bragging. People who brag (again no names, although I find it slightly obnoxious that some people don't have any time for us "normal folks" except to stop by and brag about whatever they've got when they could potentially be writing articles or posts of interest to us all, but hey it's their time) are getting something out of it that would be stripped away if everybody stopped feeding into that game. Of course, I'm not here to tell people not to drool, but I don't think it's the greatest thing in the world since the ego massage thing is helping somebody else ignore that there's going to be a time when they have to sell stuff off.

And the people who amass large collections and then try to sell everything at too high a price in order to avoid a loss - don't have time for that either.

GrandAmChandler

04-02-2008, 08:54 PM

"Because it just looks cool on the shelf"

That's my answer.

Ed Oscuro

04-02-2008, 08:56 PM

"Because it just looks cool on the shelf"
Occasionally I get the feeling I should be worried about fading. :P

shadowfire36

04-02-2008, 09:03 PM

i think you need to relize game collecting is different for every one . example i wanted every console system from the NES to ps3
i own everyone (not counting handhelds)right now ...people come to my house all the time and ask why do you own a jaguar its a piece of crap or why do you have a phillips cd-i it sucked, or why do you own a fm town marty none of the games are in english

i dont care what other people say if the system sucked .." I WANTED THEM ! "
and thats all that matter im sure the same applies to other if they wanted to own every NES games ..its the person and desire is what runs them to buy crap ...i have all 5 supergrafx games and guess what ...i have nevered played them once they sit in my archive .
so why would you knock some ones collection ..if it has value to them you should respect the time and effort they spent in getting what they wanted ..

The Shawn

04-02-2008, 09:15 PM

Yeah, that's great...

Kudos to anyone with complete collections...

TonyTheTiger

04-02-2008, 09:33 PM

Collecting is just like any other hobby. Some people build model ships. Some people play golf. Some people paint. I don't think there's anything intrinsically wrong with it. But like anything else, it can become addictive and if someone finds him or herself thinking, "The car payments can wait. I must have that prototype" it's time for an intervention. Control your hobbies, don't let your hobbies control you...and all that jazz. It's just like gambling. It can be fun but it can be dangerous if things spin out of control.

But, I said it in another thread, collecting requires a certain mindset. Mainly, it requires the collector to rationally conclude that it is OK to spend money on something that he or she is never going to actually use. So long as the collector holds that mindset, everything will be fine as far as the value of what they're collecting. The thing is, that mindset can't break. Because if it does then the collector is going to feel a wave of buyer's remorse upon looking at a collection of useless plastic and metal.

I feel like anyone can amass a big collection, whether a complete library of NES games or every Yankee rookie card, if they have enough time and money. But being able to do something and having the will to do something are two very different things. For instance, I could never spend $1,000 on a video game regardless of whether or not I have the cash to burn. I don't have a strong enough collector's mindset to justify that to myself.

Congrats to the people who can afford to spend $1,200 on a sealed Chrono Trigger. They're more affluent than I am. But what impresses me more is that they can enjoy writing that check.

RadiantSvgun

04-02-2008, 09:37 PM

I still find myself wanting to play U.N. Squadron and Abadox more often than Radiant Silvergun. RS is an amazing game but it's still a shoot-em-up. Not God in a box like so many people rave about.

Not at all. It is absolutely not god in a box, and I'll be the first to say it. Its a great shooter, but its got its hype. I put so many quarters in it that I should own it. My most played shump? Blazing Lazers which cost me next to nothing.

I love the hell out of stupid budget games personally. Those big titles get all the money they want to keep halfassing stuff, those small developers run with a premise best they can and generally try to stick to doing one thing right.

Earth Defense Force? shoot giant bugs. it works, it's great, you should buy it.

I had no idea EDF was a budget title. Its a great SNES shooter. Castle Shikigami 2 is the same way.

I think it's kinda funny how a dude with only 21 posts makes fun of all collectors and everyone get's their panties in a twist.

I think we are just bored. 55 hours a week? Wow dood. I just don't like trading and reselling stuff unless I really don't want or like it.

2Dskillz

04-02-2008, 09:46 PM

Personally bad games have that bad movie vibe, and I collect some of those too. Like the books and movies I collect, I feel that it is more interesting to see a broad spectrum.

It helps to be reminded why the best are the best, you need a point of reference.

Cryomancer

04-02-2008, 10:10 PM

I had no idea EDF was a budget title. Its a great SNES shooter. Castle Shikigami 2 is the same way.

I was referring to the unrelated newer series of PS2/Xbox 360 games (that are sadly mostly not released in the states, yet Japan and Europe).

Jimid2

04-02-2008, 10:12 PM

I long ago stopped counting the number of games that someone told me were "crap" that I found a great deal of pleasure in playing... I don't need someone to tell me what their top 25 games are for any given system so I can run out and buy them and have all "the best" titles; I just buy whatever strikes my fancy and decide for myself... Honestly, I don't even consider myself much of a collector... more a "stock piler" really... ;)

vintagegamecrazy

04-02-2008, 10:22 PM

This whole thread is a waste of time.

Melf

04-02-2008, 10:37 PM

I think it's kinda funny how a dude with only 21 posts makes fun of all collectors and everyone get's their panties in a twist.

Word. This thread was just flame bait to make everyone give a collective "OH NO YOU DI'NT!!"

Steven

04-02-2008, 10:46 PM

Sheesh, such angst from the TC. Lighten up. It's their life, why not let them live it the way they see fit and not get too bent out of shape over what SOMEBODY ELSE does?

If someone wants a complete collection, more power to them. I say the same thing to folks who only go for sealed games. I personally would never attempt such a thing, but I can see their POV and even though my gaming style disagrees, it doesn't bother me one bit.

Lately there have been several "collection" type threads here. Just an assumption, but I guess that hit a nerve with the TC.

Press_Start

04-02-2008, 11:02 PM

Adding my two cents:

Collecting is what we like to do. Reasons for it are as diversified as people. Some for the love of it. Some see it as a challenge or an undertaking. Some do it for they have too much time on their hands. Whatever the reason, one certain thing in collecting is collectors don't like to be told how to collect.

As for those with large or complete collections, after seeing the collections on here, it is not an undertaking for the light of heart. It takes dedication and loads of patience to achieve and maintain the awesome collections that took years to build.

But one question has bugged me abouts gamers with large collections, where do you find the space to put them in?

Gamer Joe: Dude! I finally complete my collection of every game and every console ever made!

Gamer Buddy: Awesome! Can I come over and see it?

Gamer Joe: No, you can't.

Gamer Buddy: Why not?

Gamer Joe: Well, my collection takes up all the space in my place.

Gamer Buddy: So, where are you going to live?

Gamer Joe: Oh, in my car. Oh shoot, I forgot I have my complete portable games collections in there.

MeTmKnice

04-02-2008, 11:03 PM

I believe a lot of people that have already commented on this thread share some of the same opinions that I do. So I will make this brief.

Just because one likes/dislikes a game.. does not make it good or bad. What it comes down to is personal preference. So, to "research" the Top 25 games that OTHER people think are worthy makes you but one thing.. a sheep. BAAHHH!

Sudo

04-02-2008, 11:18 PM

To the OP: Why does it bother you what others spend their money on? Seems rather silly to me.

Poofta!

04-02-2008, 11:44 PM

since you gave 0 examples... your whole argument is complete "CRAP".

however you brought up a good point, you said you have a few crappy games because you enjoyed them as a kid, well did it ever occur to you, some people enjoye many of their subpar titles as well?

but again, since you mentioned no games and no collections... (complete sets of console releases do not count), there really is no point to talk to you any more.

DigitalSpace

04-03-2008, 01:13 AM

Dash Galaxy & The Alien Asylum > Radiant Silvergun.

Motivational poster time! (http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3343/dashgalaxymotiv1fn5.jpg)

Frankie_Says_Relax

04-03-2008, 01:19 AM

Motivational poster time! (http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3343/dashgalaxymotiv1fn5.jpg)

ROFL

Classic!

Berserker

04-03-2008, 01:50 AM

This is a total straw man argument, here the straw man being the easily attackable idea of the collector who completely ignores quality in favor of quantity. Do you know anyone who actually does that? I sure don't.

It also revolves around the false assertion that the sole determinant of quality for games you own is the collective opinions of others.

James8BitStar

04-03-2008, 02:11 AM

Wheres that soap box...

Here it is. Something I have always failed to understand. Why do people BUY CRAP???. Anyone??? There are literally hundreds/thousands of great games out there of which you will never have the time to finish, even if you tried to play through them all. So why do alot of guys on boards like this go out & buy CRAP when watching paint dry seems more pleasurable to the human eye???. And the worst part, wasting your god damn time playing them through, the entire game, oh jesus, as some guys do.

My entire collection puts huge emphasis on quality over quantity. I have put huge amounts of time in researching the Top 25 games for each platform & system & investing in them. I will admit to having a literally a few skeletons in my collection but this is due to the fact there old-time favourites I played as a kid & bring back times of my greatest years, but these guys with massive collections brings no envy to my eyes at all. 2/10 games, no point. I saw a photo of a guy who had literally the Top 25 shumps ever to grace a home console, that made me envy. I needed them. So give me that particular guys collection of just over 80 games of pure quality, games that revolutionised genres, over a 3000/5000+ collection of crap anyday.

I guess some people probably just have a little too much money, mo money, mo problems to ship the CRAP out.

First of all, define "crap." The games you think are crap aren't necessarily so to the people playing them.

Fact is ANY game can be good if you approach it with an open mind instead of an open-and-shut standard on what "is good." To me the only thing that makes a game automatically "bad" is if it has a major glitch, like the random save-crash in Phantasy Star 1 on the GBA.

Minor rant of my own: I hate people who have strictly-defined "standards" on what is good or bad. Such standards are usually close-minded and are anti-creativity. There are many great games that would never have been made if today's dictatorial ideas of "standards" had set in earlier.

Now as for that top 25 games... most of us aren't complacent enough to let someone else tell us what the good stuff is. I'd rather play everything then decide for myself what should be in the top 25.

Besides that, part of the goal of collecting (least IMO) is preservation (though I do intend to play every game I wind up owning). It doesn't matter if a game is good or not, they're all important in some small way.

GarrettCRW

04-03-2008, 04:44 AM

*sees a pacifier on the ground, picks it up, and gives it to VitaminX*

Dude, I think you dropped this.

http://www.medgadget.com/archives/img/pacifier.jpg

Life of Brian

04-03-2008, 10:16 PM

There are just as many people here who fail to understand your method of collecting as well. The beauty of a hobby is that you can make up your own rules and do whatever makes you happy. Any time you spend worrying about what other people are doing just takes up time that you could be using to enjoy your own collection.

Of the thousands of registered Digital Press users I'll bet you that no two have identical collections. Buy and play what you want and let others do the same. It's just games, after all.

Amen to that! Isn't the definition of a hobby is that it's an activity that brings you pleasure?

rbudrick

04-04-2008, 09:43 AM

While I sat here wondering how the hell this thread even got any replies to begin with, I discovered I was feeding the troll by replying myself. I was caught in a moral paradox between not posting cuz because the thread is fucking stupid and posting to say how stupid it was. This makes me a bad person and so are you for reading this far. I took your ten seconds AND I'M NEVER GIVING IT BACK. See, I'm a collector. That's how *I* roll.

-Rob

ianoid

04-04-2008, 03:40 PM

Vitamin X, you're awesomer! You might be the gamer master race.

I'll live with my cluttered less awesome basement who has good games and bad ones too.

What is,

ian

murdoc rose

04-04-2008, 04:34 PM

I never turn down a game of anykind for a buck unless i have more than 3 copies of it. Besides that I actually like some games most people consider crap. oh and but the way IM trying to get a copy of action 52 a collection of 52 crap games lol.

guitargary75

04-04-2008, 09:36 PM

I like to collect because of the hunt. I like to hunt games down and try to see what I can find out in the wild. But, I also play about 99% of all my games.

Rob2600

04-05-2008, 05:06 PM

What is all this nonsense about there being no such thing as a bad video game? Some examples:

Universal Studios Theme Park Adventure (GameCube)
NRA Gun Club (PlayStation 2)
Superman (Nintendo 64)
Spice World (PlayStation)
KISS Pinball (PlayStation)
Kabuki Warriors (Xbox)
Pimp My Ride (Xbox 360)
Raiders of the Lost Ark (Atari 2600)
Ikari Warriors II: Victory Road (NES)
Tag Team Wrestling (NES)
The Powerpuff Girls: Chemical X-Traction (Nintendo 64)
Pit-Fighter (SNES)
etc. etc. etc.

Stop trying to be diplomatic and deep. Bad video games exist.

So he had 25 copies of U.N. Squadron?

Awesome! :)

DefaultGen

04-05-2008, 05:54 PM

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James8BitStar

04-06-2008, 01:11 AM

[I took the following as a response to me. Sorry if you were actually responding to somebody else]

What is all this nonsense about there being no such thing as a bad video game? Some examples:

Universal Studios Theme Park Adventure (GameCube)
NRA Gun Club (PlayStation 2)
Superman (Nintendo 64)
Spice World (PlayStation)
KISS Pinball (PlayStation)
Kabuki Warriors (Xbox)
Pimp My Ride (Xbox 360)
Raiders of the Lost Ark (Atari 2600)
Ikari Warriors II: Victory Road (NES)
Tag Team Wrestling (NES)
The Powerpuff Girls: Chemical X-Traction (Nintendo 64)
Pit-Fighter (SNES)
etc. etc. etc.

Can you say what makes those games bad, outside of just a lot of people saying so?

Fact is its all opinion unless there's an objectively quantifiable factor involved. Again, like a game-crashing bug or something.

Stop trying to be diplomatic and deep.

Who is trying to be either? I'm simply being open-minded.

GarrettCRW

04-06-2008, 01:22 AM

What is all this nonsense about there being no such thing as a bad video game? Some examples:

Raiders of the Lost Ark (Atari 2600)
Tag Team Wrestling (NES)

Actually, opinions on Raiders tends to run the gamut, from bad to great. It's a polarizing title. And as for TTW, I have an odd affinity for it, even though it's pretty much ass. Kid Niki, as well, though that one is a little less assy.

Sudo

04-06-2008, 01:29 AM

Rob2600

04-06-2008, 02:07 AM

Can you say what makes those games bad, outside of just a lot of people saying so?

Yes:

Universal Studios Theme Park Adventure (GameCube) - Do players get to experience the cool theme park rides? No. The object of this game is to pick up garbage from the sidewalk.

Superman (Nintendo 64) - Unpolished graphics and controls. Also, a completely illogical game. When did Superman ever have to fly through rings? Why does Superman need keys to open doors? Isn't he strong enough to just break them open?

Spice World (PlayStation) - The developers remembered the "video," but forgot the "game."

Raiders of the Lost Ark (Atari 2600) - What's the point of playing a game that is impossible to figure out?

Ikari Warriors II: Victory Road (NES) - Bad controls, bad graphics, and glitches galore. Getting stuck in a wall isn't fun. One of Data East's worst NES games, which is saying a lot.

Tag Team Wrestling (NES) - Another Data East mess. Is wrestling the same two guys 32 times in a row supposed to be fun? It's also the only wrestling video game I've ever played where moves are executed through menus.

The Powerpuff Girls: Chemical X-Traction (Nintendo 64) - A poor, chaotic Power Stone rip-off with bad graphics. Running around a room throwing chairs at each other should be fun, but in this case, it isn't.

Pit-Fighter (SNES) - Bad graphics, bad controls, and a glitchy life meter make this game unplayable. I liked the arcade version and tried to beat the SNES one, but it was just too horrible. I wasted $60 on this abomination when I was 14.

Hey, Tag Team Wrestling was awesome back in the day. :grrr:

Are you sure you're not thinking of Pro Wrestling? That was a great wrestling video game.

GarrettCRW

04-06-2008, 02:52 AM

Ikari Warriors II: Victory Road (NES) - Bad controls, bad graphics, and glitches galore. Getting stuck in a wall isn't fun. One of Data East's worst NES games, which is saying a lot.
Ikari II is SNK, not Data East. And, more specifically, it was ported by Micronics, famous on these boards for their "distinctive" style.

Tag Team Wrestling (NES) - Another Data East mess. Is wrestling the same two guys 32 times in a row supposed to be fun? It's also the only wrestling video game I've ever played where moves are executed through menus.
TTW is Namco, and it predates Pro Wrestling by half a year (and, unlike Nintendo's effort, was a cartridge release in Japan in an era when the FDS games clearly outstripped their cart-based cousins). It may suck, but it has some pretty blatant reasons for that suckage.

FrakAttack

04-06-2008, 06:12 AM

Why do people BUY CRAP???

Bragging rights. Duh.

James8BitStar

04-06-2008, 08:10 AM

Without further knowledge of how these games accomplished (or failed to accomplish) their goals, I'm unable to comment any further than to say your reviews are unconvincing. The only objective quantifiers you mention are graphics and controls.

To be fair, if those games are as bad in the control department as you're making them out then they may indeed be "bad games."

Besides that... whether or not you think Superman should fly through rings proves nothing. Whether or not you like watching videos proves nothing, and anecdotes about how bad you feel for blowing $60 on a game you didn't like aren't likely to change anyone's mind. Emotionalism rarely leads to any meaningful insight.

DefaultGen

04-06-2008, 08:14 AM

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jcalder8

04-06-2008, 09:33 AM

What is all this nonsense about there being no such thing as a bad video game? Some examples:

Pimp My Ride (Xbox 360)

Stop trying to be diplomatic and deep. Bad video games exist.
I enjoyed Pimp My Ride for the 5 bucks it cost me.

Rob2600

04-06-2008, 12:39 PM

Ikari II is SNK, not Data East. And, more specifically, it was ported by Micronics, famous on these boards for their "distinctive" style.

You're right. Data East did the Apple II and DOS versions. I can only assume they're just as bad as the NES version.

I'm not familiar with Micronics. What other games has it worked on?

EDIT: I did some research and just watched this video:

YouTube.com - Developer profile: Micronics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os_WDTojtLA)

It's weird. Some of Micronics's NES games are fairly well-produced (Tiger-Heli, Twin Cobra, Kaiketsu Yanchamaru 3: Taiketsu! Zouringen/Kid Niki 3, etc.), while others are atrocious (Ikari Warriors II: Victory Road, Athena, Stick Hunter: Exciting Ice Hockey, etc.). How could a developer be that inconsistent?

TTW (Tag Team Wrestling) is Namco, and it predates Pro Wrestling by half a year (and, unlike Nintendo's effort, was a cartridge release in Japan in an era when the FDS games clearly outstripped their cart-based cousins). It may suck, but it has some pretty blatant reasons for that suckage.

"1986 Data East U.S.A. Inc." is written on the title screen. Anyway, the discussion is not about the reasons for a game being bad, it's whether or not bad games even exist, which they clearly do. You even wrote yourself that "it may suck."

Without further knowledge of how these games accomplished (or failed to accomplish) their goals, I'm unable to comment any further than to say your reviews are unconvincing. ... anecdotes about how bad you feel for blowing $60 on a game you didn't like aren't likely to change anyone's mind.

Trust me, Pit-Fighter for the SNES is an unplayable mess. As I wrote in my previous post, the controls are unresponsive and there's a glitch with the life meter. It randomly fluctuates up and down sometimes, which it definitely isn't supposed to do. How am I supposed to play a tournament fighting game when I don't really know how much life I have left?

If you don't believe me, buy Pit-Fighter for the SNES, play it for a day, and let us know your thoughts. I think you'll finally admit that bad games really do exist.

The only objective quantifiers you mention are graphics and controls.

Really? If anything, I'd say graphics are at least partially subjective.

Vroomfunkel

04-06-2008, 02:24 PM

Wheres that soap box...

Here it is. Something I have always failed to understand. Why do people BUY CRAP???.

[long-winded repetition of the previous sentence in various different formulations removed]

Here's something I fail to understand - why people like you let themselves get so worked up by what other people choose to do with their time and money. Surely that's time you could spend better on re-arranging your 25 top games for every system into an overall grand ladder of awesomeness, starting with the best game ever on any system and working downwards?

Mark30001

04-06-2008, 06:59 PM

Because games are for kids. GROW UP PEOPLE!

Just kidding!

Would anyone here buy Stadium Events knowing it's crap?

I would only buy it (cheap of course) and resell at a much higher price because I know for a fact people are willing to give an arm or leg for rarities like that. It's all business.

This reminds me of a funny thing a friend told me when I bought Suikoden II for the PS1 at a thrift store for $4. He tried to convince me to keep the disc, in order to "preserve video gaming history." I resold that fucker on eBay.

James8BitStar

04-06-2008, 07:12 PM

How could a developer be that inconsistent?

Rushed productions, unexpected delays, their best programmers all being on vacation for a week, or on medical leave after having visited Tokyo just in time to meet some of its more famous Kaiju. Who knows.

Trust me, Pit-Fighter for the SNES is an unplayable mess. As I wrote in my previous post, the controls are unresponsive and there's a glitch with the life meter. It randomly fluctuates up and down sometimes, which it definitely isn't supposed to do. How am I supposed to play a tournament fighting game when I don't really know how much life I have left?

If you don't believe me, buy Pit-Fighter for the SNES, play it for a day, and let us know your thoughts. I think you'll finally admit that bad games really do exist.

Now that I would say is a real flaw. Nevertheless that's exactly what I'll do. Can't say when I'll get around to it--don't know when my next trip to GameXchange is going to be--but I'll keep it in mind.

Really? If anything, I'd say graphics are at least partially subjective.

They are, but I didn't want to complicate the discussion by arguing the point.

Because games are for kids. GROW UP PEOPLE!

Just kidding!

We know. Games have boobs and cusswords now. That makes them adult.

This reminds me of a funny thing a friend told me when I bought Suikoden II for the PS1 at a thrift store for $4. He tried to convince me to keep the disc, in order to "preserve video gaming history." I resold that fucker on eBay.

People who want to "preserve video game history" should just start collecting.

EDIT:

I have a little ramble of my own.

What exactly is the deal with "factory sealed" games? I understand wanting the box, the manual, and the inserts, but wanting it to all come in plastic and shrinkwrapped seems a little crazy to me. I guess its because when I collect games I also intend to actually play them. For me having a factory sealed game would actually be inconvenient.