IGN's top 100

[Gamereviewgod]

Somone would post it eventually, so it might as well be me...

IGN has a top 100 list going...It's not done yet, but we might as well start now.....what do you agree with, diagree with?

http://top100.ign.com/

[shai hulud]

i cant argue with it too much yet, i have very little knowledge of the PC games on there but the console games listed so far seem to me like they belong in the top 100.

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

Howdy, shai hulud - don't think I've seen ya here before. Looks like a fine name for a fellow Dune 2000 warmonger. :D

[shai hulud]

actually the name is more for the band (if you like hardcore you should check them out) however i do enjoy dune

[scooterb23]

Discs Of Tron made the list...all is right with the world :)

[Griking]

I like the fact that they're including older PC games as well but for the life of my I couldn't name 94 games that I've enjoyed more than Atari's Adventure. That game would easily be in my personal top 20

Also, interesting cover art for the DC game Virtua Tennis.
http://top100media.ign.com/top100/_assets/img/81-90/89_photo.jpg

[Arrrhalomynn]

This list will probably annoy me a lot.
Warcraft 2 should be higher, Final Fantasy X shouldn't be in it, Wolvenstein should be higher.

I can imagine IGN Filling up the top 30 with 25 games that are all post playstation.

[Tempest]

#085 - Final Fantasy X

FF X on the list of the top 100 games? Please... All it was was a bunch of nice cut scenes weakly thrown together into a game. Hardly top 100 material.

Tempest

[IntvGene]

For the life of me I couldn't name 94 games that I've enjoyed more than Atari's Adventure. That game would easily be in my personal top 20

Yeah.. Well said. I see lots of games that I agree are great games, but Pitfall, Adventure and Sonic should be lower than the 90's. Shit like Final Fantasy X should obviously not be in there, and I highly doubt that Virtua Tennis should be in there either.

I already see them wearing themselves too thin. I mean, how can you compare some of these games? They've got arcade games in there, PC games, console games, this is going to get ugly.

They seem to be measuring things at "their time", and saying how good the game was compared to others released then. But, they also seem to measure games with their influential value and popularity too. I think that this task is incredibly hard to undertake, and I will wait to see how they do it, but I think we've already noticed some of their errors.

I can't wait to see where (if) they place: Ms. Pac-man, Rez, Street Fighter II, Mario, Jet Set Radio, etc.

[Sylentwulf]

I can't stand lists that mix PC, Console, and arcade games. They're too different IMO. It's like comparing Jazz music to Rap music.

[Kid Fenris]

So far, it's hard to argue with most of their choices. I'm rather relieved that they made room for recent classics like Final Fantasy X and Counterstrike instead of taking the old-school-uber-alles route. And yes, Final Fantasy X deserves a spot on this list. It's an excellent RPG that is, I'd say, less than five percent cut scene.

[Sylentwulf]

So far, it's hard to argue with most of their choices. I'm rather relieved that they made room for recent classics like Final Fantasy X and Counterstrike instead of taking the old-school-uber-alles route. And yes, Final Fantasy X deserves a spot on this list. It's an excellent RPG that is, I'd say, less than five percent cut scene.

:o :o :o :o :o :o

I won't reply to any more FF comments after what I'm about to say to avoid the FF "Topic" but come on. Less than 5%? Did you get all the chars to level 99 and get them ALL of the sphere chart? Then, MAYBE. This and Wind waker are the ONLY 2 games that have ever made me say "Holy shit! I'm in the last dungeon?!?!"

Edit - make that three games, Wind Waker, FFX and Xenosaga

[Raedon]

I'm not sure about Sonic being lower then FFX or virtua tennis..

[portnoyd]

So far, it's hard to argue with most of their choices. I'm rather relieved that they made room for recent classics like Final Fantasy X and Counterstrike instead of taking the old-school-uber-alles route. And yes, Final Fantasy X deserves a spot on this list. It's an excellent RPG that is, I'd say, less than five percent cut scene.

No, I strongly disagree with that. In terms of classical RPG gameplay and modeling, it's leveling system is as big of a washout as the system in place in FF2J. It's also not less than 5% cut scenes, but it's not as extreme as other have made it out to be. The story was extremely lacking, and dumber than usual. The characters were almost as much a chore to play (Thanks sphere grid) as they were to listen to. Graphically excellent, and it sounded good, but a top 100 game that does not make.

dave

[Raedon]

ugh.. *FLASHBACK* SPEREGRID!! *RUNS AND HIDES UNDER BED*

*MUMBLING* there's no place like FF3.. there's no place like FF3..

[Eternal Champion]

ugh.. *FLASHBACK* SPEREGRID!! *RUNS AND HIDES UNDER BED*

*MUMBLING* there's no place like FF3.. there's no place like FF3..

I'd definitely agree with that. Also, take away all the CG cinemas and what are you left with? Ach...nevermind.

This ties in the "EGM" forum...anyone remember EGM's TOP 100 GAMES OF ALL TIME from 1997, their 100th issue? That was my first EGM in years, and I still have it; I liked it because it was strictly console games, stuff I knew and loved. In fact, that list is what got me back into SNES at the time, and back into 8-bit and 16-bit very recently.

[Kid Fenris]

So far, it's hard to argue with most of their choices. I'm rather relieved that they made room for recent classics like Final Fantasy X and Counterstrike instead of taking the old-school-uber-alles route. And yes, Final Fantasy X deserves a spot on this list. It's an excellent RPG that is, I'd say, less than five percent cut scene.

No, I strongly disagree with that. In terms of classical RPG gameplay and modeling, it's leveling system is as big of a washout as the system in place in FF2J. It's also not less than 5% cut scenes, but it's not as extreme as other have made it out to be. The story was extremely lacking, and dumber than usual. The characters were almost as much a chore to play (Thanks sphere grid) as they were to listen to. Graphically excellent, and it sounded good, but a top 100 game that does not make.

dave

Well, part of what makes FFX great, in my opinion, is that it doesn't tread the path of a classical RPG. The Sphere Grid system allows remarkable freedom of customization without stripping the characters of their individuality, and it's a lot of fun to experiment with everyone's abilities. (Being able to swap them out in the middle of battle doesn't hurt, either). And I rather liked the story, but that's even more subjective than the rest of my opinion.

Anyway, back to the list. I think that at least two more Final Fantasies will show up before everything is finished, and that FFVI/FF3 will be one of them. As for the top ten, I say that it'll include at least . . . hmm, Super Mario Bros. 3 and either Soul Calibur or Soul Calibur II.

Place yer bets, folks.

Edit: This just reminded me of that Top 100 list that Captain Yashiro was compiling for the forums a while ago. Did that ever get anywhere, Yash?

[Gunstarhero]

I don't like the list simply because they are mixing all different types of games together. PC, Arcade, and Console don't make a good cocktail. Arcade and Console? Yeah, sure because Consoles recieve loads of ports from Arcades. But, PC and Console are two boxers who should never get in the ring together. Dedicated PC gamers, and dedicated Console players rarely agree on anything, and having a list with these two together just dooms the list if you ask me.

PC gamer: "Mouse and Keyboard will wax anyone with a gamepad, loser"
Console gamer:"No way, gamepad all the way, you don't know shit about games, go back to the valley man"

[BenT]

It's not bad, all things considered. Features like this are a pretty weak idea overall though, especially if you're mixing PC and console. It's just... what's the point?

From another message board:
" Kid Icarus = 3rd best game ever made = IGN FUCKIN BLOWS"

:roll:

[portnoyd]

So far, it's hard to argue with most of their choices. I'm rather relieved that they made room for recent classics like Final Fantasy X and Counterstrike instead of taking the old-school-uber-alles route. And yes, Final Fantasy X deserves a spot on this list. It's an excellent RPG that is, I'd say, less than five percent cut scene.

No, I strongly disagree with that. In terms of classical RPG gameplay and modeling, it's leveling system is as big of a washout as the system in place in FF2J. It's also not less than 5% cut scenes, but it's not as extreme as other have made it out to be. The story was extremely lacking, and dumber than usual. The characters were almost as much a chore to play (Thanks sphere grid) as they were to listen to. Graphically excellent, and it sounded good, but a top 100 game that does not make.

dave

Well, part of what makes FFX great, in my opinion, is that it doesn't tread the path of a classical RPG. The Sphere Grid system allows remarkable freedom of customization without stripping the characters of their individuality, and it's a lot of fun to experiment with everyone's abilities. (Being able to swap them out in the middle of battle doesn't hurt, either). And I rather liked the story, but that's even more subjective than the rest of my opinion.

But IMO, the Sphere Grid offered less freedom than usual. You were stuck on the beaten path for a long while, because true freedom would potentially leave players with characters that make Edward from FF4 look awesome. Then when you could move around, you had to waste an exorbatant amount of levels to move around just to get that one ability that would tailor how you want your character to be. Inventive, yes, tedious, yes.

And the story line opinion is just that. My favorite FF game has my favorite story (FF4).

And I thought switching out was helpful diificultywise, but should not be brought back. I dunno.



Anyway, back to the list. I think that at least two more Final Fantasies will show up before everything is finished, and that FFVI/FF3 will be one of them. As for the top ten, I say that it'll include at least . . . hmm, Super Mario Bros. 3 and either Soul Calibur or Soul Calibur II.

Place yer bets, folks.

FFVII will show up above FF3/6, much against my wishes. :) Number one game will be a NOA release. GTA3/VC will occupy a top 10 slot, again, against my wishes. Soul Caliber better be in the top 15-20 at least. I bet they'll snub SMB3 completely (place it +25).

dave

[Dahne]

A damn football game was placed higher than Secret of Friggin' Mana?

Some heads are gonna get busted.

[Dahne]

Oh, and Link to the Past better be somewhere in the last 25.

[Raedon]

their top 10 will be

1) DOOM
2) SMB
3) Dune 2
4) Zelda
5) Street Fighter II
6) Mario 64
7) GTA 3
8) Pole Position
9) Donkey Kong
10) Space Invaders

[IntvGene]

Happy to see:
Return Fire (#56)
Star Control 2 (#53), but should be around #30
Herzog Zwei (#62), but should be lower
Gunstar Heroes (#54)
Contra (#51)

Questionables:
Crimson Skies (#65)
Master of Magic (Good game, but not Top 100, MOO was better)
Ultima VII (brutal! Ultima IV and V were MUCH better, who cares about graphics)

[Griking]

Questionables:

Ultima VII (brutal! Ultima IV and V were MUCH better, who cares about graphics)

I expect to see IV, V or both in the top 20.

[AB Positive]

I will be very very angry when Vice City makes top twenty. I absolutly ahbor this game, and it's just a weak game with missions put in to try and give it credability when we all know it's about people killing whoever they want whenever they want. Blegh.

Even as a Squaresoft nut, I dare say I'd be happier with X lower and maybe FF1 in it's place.

[buttasuperb]

Kid Icarus should have been much higher, imo.

[congobongo]

So far, they are not including anything from 8-bit computers like Atari 400/800 or C=64 though they are including "PC" games. I hold no value in a top 100 list that doesn't include games from either of those platforms. I'm sure they will also not include anything from the 5200 or 7800.

[Gamereviewgod]

Hey, this is my first hot-topic!! Uh, uh, uh, yeah, I'm cool..I mean hot....Aw screw it.

[le geek]

I think they're doing an okay job, but it does disappoint that they're including old PC games but not other older computer games, like say MULE, Miner 2049er, or Lode Runner. I'll be disappointed if Prince of Persia isn't listed, and I will think the list is crap if Lemmings doesn't place "somewhere"


Heh,
Ben

[Gamereviewgod]

Holy crap...Conker beat Doom?????????? What up wit' dat????

[Raedon]

I am very surpised at DOOM not making the top 20 at least.. and it seems that IGN is going to put FFVII higher then FFIII.. Though FFIII beat out DOOM. I'm betting DOOM 2 makes the top 20 though. and Quake and UT will have to go in there somewhere.. as will EQ.. IGN should have kept it to PC, Console, Arcade.. 3 TOP 100's would have been cooler

[Griking]

I think they're doing an okay job, but it does disappoint that they're including old PC games but not other older computer games, like say MULE, Miner 2049er, or Lode Runner. I'll be disappointed if Prince of Persia isn't listed, and I will think the list is crap if Lemmings doesn't place "somewhere"



am I the only one who's glad to see classic Computer games included in a top games of all time list? Yeah, it does make putting the list together harder but they're still games after all.

[AB Positive]

I have no issue with the combination of classic comp and console games. However... FF3/6 getting just up to 42? shame shame IGN...

[IntvGene]

#50 - Archon. Great to see this. What a game! I thought that this would be some of the stuff that they would overlook. At least they didn't miss this one.

But, now we have SimCity 2000! We had SimCity in the nineties also! Are they gonna put 3000 in the list too? I know this was a landmark game. I better see Utopia or Fortune Builder in the list too!:)

Track N Field was an interesting choice. I remember seeing people play it with their combs in the arcade. It was quite a hit at the time.

And, I know that a lot people like Conker's Bad Fur Day, but it isn't in the top 500!

[Raedon]

Simcity 2000 was easily the greatest of the Simcity games.. It added more fun to Simcity while not boring you to death with politics and zoning issues like SC3000 and 4.

[YoshiM]

Top anything lists are always interesting, but I shudder when I see some of these recent "of all time" lists. Why are these people putting newer (like last 3 years) games on a top list? It's hard to justify that a game in 2002 is a part of an "all time" list as it hasn't been around long enough to entrench itself. They listed Battlefield: 1942. I've never played it, I'm sure it's a good game, but it's only a year old how can it be one of the best games of all time? I can see it being a "best game of the year" but of ALL TIME? IIRC, Battlefield 1942 is known highly for its multiplayer aspect. What happens if something better comes down the pipe, are people still going to log on and play it? It's too early for BF 1942 to be even considered as an All Time contender. Maybe if it has the same following and impact that Half-Life has down the road.

I guess I'm a bit more strict when it comes to handing that title down to a game. Especially when it comes to modern games.

[Raedon]

true dat.. That is why UT should be on there.. people still play UT.

[le geek]

I think they're doing an okay job, but it does disappoint that they're including old PC games but not other older computer games, like say MULE, Miner 2049er, or Lode Runner. I'll be disappointed if Prince of Persia isn't listed, and I will think the list is crap if Lemmings doesn't place "somewhere"



am I the only one who's glad to see classic Computer games included in a top games of all time list? Yeah, it does make putting the list together harder but they're still games after all.

Actually, you got me in reverse. I want to see more classic Personal Computer games and less modern ones. I am glad to see Archon on the list :)

Cheers,
Ben

[IntvGene]

:? I must be reading the "Top 100 stale PC games" list.
Deus Ex.. Thief II..

And, another N64 lackluster title hits the list, in the form of Wave Race 64!

Dune II is an obvious choice, so they didn't miss that one. Gauntlet and Half-Life I don't mind seeing either.

All I have to say is that I am still seeing a lot of mediocre games in the list. They've only got 30 to go, and they'remissing a lot of classic games. Unless they start adding in decimal places, they're in trouble. Haven't seen much of the "Golden Age" consoles yet besides Pitfall and Adventure.

[Gamereviewgod]

Madden 96 at #36???? Wow. I never really cared for any of the 16-bit versions with the slippery controls and can't fathom someone playing 96 over, say, 2003.

[Raedon]

yea, I never played Theif II or Deux Ex so I can't comment but I know of no one who went out of there way to tell me those games rocked.

[Gamereviewgod]

Wow...Mario was No. 1???? Isn't it just a bit of overkill to have 2 Mario games in the top 10? Yeah, there great games and all, but that's just a wee bit ridiculous. Not to mention I never did care for Mario 64.....Then we have Street Fighter II at number 10?? The original?? :roll:

[Raedon]

Looks like a good top 10 to me. I can't believe Bard's Tale didn't make it or Everquest. Pretty much the PC got dumped out of all that but what can we expect i guess.

[Mayhem]

XCom at #8? Interesting... Laser Squad is a huge favourite of mine and when the same guys did the improved version called XCom for PC back then. I really did play it a lot. Very good game.. except no 2 player mode. That's what Laser Squad is for ;)

[IntvGene]

PC games were a strange bunch on that list. Tie Fighter and X-Com were high, but where were the other PC classics?

But, I think that the arcade got screwed more than anything. Four titles in the top 50? It was WAY TOO console oriented... which was to be expected. This is IGN after all.

Street Fighter II (#10)
Ms. Pacman (#13)
Star Wars (#29)
Gauntlet (#31)

Their list wasn't bad, but nothing surprising. I think a 10-year old could have came up with a similar list. I would argue about Super Mario being the #1 game, especiallly when you include arcades, but it just isn't worth it.

They missed a lot indeed.

[Tempest]

I'm amazed NiGHTS didn't make the list. I'm still bitter about that.

Tempest

[MyNameIsBoB]

They didn't even include the original Zelda but they put a crappy ass sports game on there? What are they smoking?

[Dahne]

FF3 at *43*, and some damn stupid sports game lower than it?

Okay, somebody's getting punched.

[swlovinist]

To be quite honest, I think what IGN did is darn impossible to do. I dont like the fact that computer games were on the same list.....It is hard to include them and be fair. I was suprised of all the entries of post playstation titles....I definately would not put that many of them on my top 100. I think it is easy to forget how origional some titles were 20+ years ago, then again, you would have to of played them and know what you were talking about to include them on your list. The problem today is that there is an increasing number of gamers(and reviewers) that have not even scratched the pre nes 8-bit era. Although some games made the list, it was obvious from their list what type of games they liked and I think the whole thing tanked. >:(

[portnoyd]

FF3 at *43*, and some damn stupid sports game lower than it?

Okay, somebody's getting punched.

Whoops, I missed the end of the top 100, and the end of this topic. /resurrect

Finally, FINALLY, someone recognizes FFII (FF4) as the best FF game, and for the right reasons - the story. It IS better than FF3, but not by 34 places.

And what the fuck is with keeping Zelda 1 out, and Zelda 3 and Zelda 64 IN?! Helloooooo! I'm glad that Zelda had a double impact in the top 10, I just think it should have been ignored.

Just my random comments.

dave