Final Fantasy 7 remake. WHY NOT???? [Archive]

rkotm

05-01-2008, 07:05 PM

I know this is an overrated game and there are better FF's, but come on! It was what brought Final Fantasy into the mainstream(unless FF3/6 did?) and it was a solid story with great game design! The PS3 is lacking tremendously in exclusives at the moment(until MGS4) and the resurgence of FF7 in the past year or two has this question raised and raised again:Remake FF7 like the tech demo showed?

Its a sucessful series, followed by these prequels and side stories, and yet the ultimate coup de gras(sp?i know im way off) could be this game, itd sell Ps3s by the boatload if done right. Id buy a PS3 for it(if not for MGS4 alone). I know i keep going on and on, but it would be sweet, eh?

Nebagram

05-01-2008, 07:13 PM

Because SE are busy remaking all the other FFs and DQs for the DS, and making sub-par FFVII sequels for every other system under the sun, and don't have time right now to embark on a lengthy project that will no doubt make them obscene amounts of revenue.

chrisbid

05-01-2008, 07:14 PM

if there was a larger install base for the PS3, the chances for a remake would also be larger.

ErmangelnSeelen

05-01-2008, 08:05 PM

You know, I'm torn here.

On the one hand, yeah, it would be amazing to see the game done the way it was envisioned. It can be presented in the way the creators WANTED you to see it, without many graphical limitations.

On the other side of things though, I almost enjoy some of those blocky graphics. I loved the way they had giant rectangles for hands, the goofy way they'd stretch and move... they are almost nuances to the game!

Maybe I am just being stupid for saying that, but I really enjoyed the graphics, they kept things lighthearted at times, but were good enough to allow you to get completely into the story.

It's like the way people talk about playing atari growing up and creating the image in their head. Of course, it isn't such an extreme example, but the general idea remains.

Maybe I'd like to see a PSP remake of the actual game, with only SMOOTHED graphics rather than redone, maybe an extra sidequest thrown in, with a few minor changes (think persona3:FES or KH:Final mix)... I wouldn't say no to a new even HARDER weapon :devilish:

boatofcar

05-01-2008, 08:24 PM

A PSP FFVII remake makes more sense than a PS3 version IMO.

I couldn't care less though. All I want is a new Rocket Slime Adventures! Yeah, baby!

Snapple

05-01-2008, 08:36 PM

It'll happen eventually. SE has gone back to the well again and again with FF7 for a reason, because it is the definitive and most popular Final Fantasy. A remake of FF7 is in my opinion not a matter of "if," but "when." And when it does happen, I will probably love it.

Sudo

05-01-2008, 08:50 PM

I firmly believe that it'll happen once they're finished with Final Fantasy XIII and Versus XIII. As of right now, the PS3's userbase really isn't large enough for it to be financially viable for them to devote the resources needed to do justice to the game.

EricRyan34

05-01-2008, 08:56 PM

I think that a remake for the PSP would be a lot better, re-making the game for the PS3 would have such high standards to meet that I would actually be afraid to play it for I wouldnt want it to ruin the original.

ProgrammingAce

05-02-2008, 02:34 PM

With Squeenix remaking every other game they've ever done, why do people believe them when they say they're not remaking FFVII?

Here's a hint: one man's tech demo is another man's engine sample... They didn't do that tech demo for nothing...

Nikademus1969

05-02-2008, 04:37 PM

I dunno...they made a tech demo of FF8 for the PS2, and it was never remade.

Speaking of FF8, I wonder if it'll ever get the same treatment, with the prequels and sequels and stuff? I can see it now...5 years after the end of the game, Squall is a henpecked husband, while Rinoa spends all her time watching QVC. Or something.

Gentlegamer

05-02-2008, 05:29 PM

It can be presented in the way the creators WANTED you to see it, without many graphical limitations.It would be one long FMV.

Berserker

05-02-2008, 06:23 PM

On the one hand, yeah, it would be amazing to see the game done the way it was envisioned. It can be presented in the way the creators WANTED you to see it, without many graphical limitations.

I have a hard time buying this idea. Ok, so at the time they were making a game for the Playstation, right? So... is it difficult to accept that maybe this was the way it was 'envisioned', and what they wanted you to see?

It seems like if it wasn't, they wouldn't be very good at their job of making games, and we probably wouldn't be talking about this one in particular so often. I think they did such a good job of conveying their 'vision' at the time that the game is now lauded and damn-near mythologized as it is. Kids who played it before are now older, and want newer and shinier so that they might ostensibly re-experience this myth nostalgically.

And they'll cave in and make it eventually, I'm sure.

ErmangelnSeelen

05-02-2008, 06:44 PM

is it difficult to accept that maybe this was the way it was 'envisioned', and what they wanted you to see?

ooo, I hadn't given that much thought. Good point. My thinking though, is that dreams are generally not 64-bit. When someone thought up this story, I doubt they had envisioned the characters looking quite like they do.

That being said, this isn't an NES title, where they truly were limited by graphics. They aren't truly "limited", they just cant present it in a high-rez format. The graphics are good enough to not HINDER their vision, at the least.

I know a port makes no sense to this, but I honestly feel like ps2 is one of the best platforms for rpgs ever. The graphics and sound quality have the potential to be amazing, without that stupid "next-gen need" for realism...you know the one, where everything has to be so realistic that the game itself "evolves", which isn't a bad thing, it's just... no longer the classic rpg.

Ok, jumped a bit off-topic there, but it sort of ties into my fears with FF7 for PS3. Give it a HUGE graphical update, and all of a sudden you look stupid standing next to a Kalm half your size. Everything all of a sudden needs scale, and realism. Cloud dressing as a woman goes from funny to downright scary =P

slip81

05-02-2008, 08:05 PM

meh, I'd rather have a DS remake of Chrono Trigger

ProgrammingAce

05-02-2008, 09:53 PM

I have a hard time buying this idea. Ok, so at the time they were making a game for the Playstation, right? So... is it difficult to accept that maybe this was the way it was 'envisioned', and what they wanted you to see?

Actually, this was the way it was envisioned. For better or for worse...

http://gamerhistory.com/images/FFVII/ffvii/wip20.jpg

More concept art here: http://gamerhistory.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=848

slip81

05-03-2008, 12:07 PM

well, if they remade FF VII and made the whole thing look like a moving Amano painting, I'd probably buy a PS3 for that.

calgon

05-03-2008, 01:20 PM

at least you guys got crisis core. The small minority of ff8 fans will probably never get the same treatment of a imo better game :/

calthaer

05-03-2008, 03:09 PM

There's no need to remake it because Planescape: Torment and Knights of the Old Republic and many other western RPGs have surpassed FF7 in just about every way imaginable.

LucidDefender

05-03-2008, 04:13 PM

There's no need to remake it because Planescape: Torment and Knights of the Old Republic and many other western RPGs have surpassed FF7 in just about every way imaginable.

Amen, brother. WRPGs > JRPGS and FFVI > FFVII.

So many people have hard-ons over FFVII and think it's the "greatest RPG ever", because it was their first "RPG". It really was not that great.

incubus421

05-03-2008, 04:47 PM

ErmangelnSeelen

05-03-2008, 06:51 PM

at least you guys got crisis core. The small minority of ff8 fans will probably never get the same treatment of a imo better game :/

Wait, there are FF8 fans? ^_- I can still relate though, as I'm a HUGE FF9 fan, and I seem to be one of the few who doesn't feel it is over rated.

Also, Amano is amazing, I <3 the Famicom box art :drools:

LucidDefender

05-04-2008, 02:46 AM

laughable...

Elaborate, please.

James8BitStar

05-04-2008, 03:29 AM

Here's a hint: one man's tech demo is another man's engine sample... They didn't do that tech demo for nothing...

Square made a tech demo of FF6 in 3D for the Nintendo 64. That never got turned into an actual game (unless the engine was the basis for FF7...)

Amen, brother. WRPGs > JRPGS and FFVI > FFVII.

Nowadays I'm not sure I agree with the part about Western CGEs (still using the fixed term) being better than JCGEs.

But Classic CGEs > Modern CGEs! ;)

Borman

05-04-2008, 04:28 AM

Square made a tech demo of FF6 in 3D for the Nintendo 64. That never got turned into an actual game (unless the engine was the basis for FF7...)

Nowadays I'm not sure I agree with the part about Western CGEs (still using the fixed term) being better than JCGEs.

But Classic CGEs > Modern CGEs! ;)

It wasnt n64, that contributes to why there never was a 64 Final Fantasy ;)

Nikademus1969

05-04-2008, 04:42 AM

Square made a tech demo of FF6 in 3D for the Nintendo 64. That never got turned into an actual game (unless the engine was the basis for FF7...)

Hmmm....I've never heard about that. Are there any videos or anything?

James8BitStar

05-04-2008, 05:36 AM

Hmmm....I've never heard about that. Are there any videos or anything?

http://www.lostlevels.org/200510/

Jimid2

05-04-2008, 08:27 AM

Hmmm....I've never heard about that. Are there any videos or anything?

There's some actual demo footage in Part V of the Game Trailers Final Fantasy Retrospective:

http://www.gametrailers.com/game/4831.html

Nikademus1969

05-04-2008, 03:11 PM

http://www.lostlevels.org/200510/

Cool, thanks! :)

Jorpho

05-04-2008, 05:18 PM

Square made a tech demo of FF6 in 3D for the Nintendo 64. That never got turned into an actual game (unless the engine was the basis for FF7...)

As described in that article you linked to, it actually has nothing to do with the N64, despite the misleading news reports of the time. :hmm:

I dunno...they made a tech demo of FF8 for the PS2, and it was never remade.

This is also news to me.

meh, I'd rather have a DS remake of Chrono Trigger

Seconded.

mills

05-04-2008, 05:54 PM

jjreason

05-04-2008, 07:55 PM

A remake with better graphics would only take away from the cut scenes. There was always a certain "oooh, aaaahh!!!" to completing a battle in FFVII and having it cut one of those ridiculously gorgeous cinematics. The roughness of the in-game play just made them extra beautiful, and I'd hate to see that mitigated in any way. I would not buy a remake.

rkotm

05-04-2008, 07:59 PM

Jorpho

05-04-2008, 08:43 PM

There was a Chrono Trigger remake in effect, but not by Square, just a one man team. Look it up on Google, one guy was making the game in 3d, and got to Zombor, the screencaps showed anyway. Then Square sent the classic ceast and desist letter. End of CT in 3d.

Only screencaps? There was a pretty darn nice trailer available for a while. Before that, there was also a fanmade Chrono Trigger 64 (http://web.archive.org/web/20011209170852/http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2589606,00.html) in the works for a while. And then there's Demi's Chrono Master (http://sourceforge.net/projects/chronomaster/) project, started in the wake of his Radical Dreamers translation (and which subsequently died an undignified death).

Poofta!

05-05-2008, 03:09 AM

well, if they remade FF VII and made the whole thing look like a moving Amano painting, I'd probably buy a PS3 for that.

quoted for truth.

Yoshitaka Amano is my favorite artist of all time.

smokehouse

05-05-2008, 06:53 AM

my question is, WHY do we need a remake of FF7?

My answer is, because we already have FF7, and it's a good game in itself and thats that.

I third a chrono trigger remake but I'd rather it be a direct port like FFVI advance with some small changes and extras.

FF7...like many of the early 3D titles of that time, has not aged well. The hand drawn parts are still great but the 3D battles and cut scenes are horrible looking.

If they did a complete overhaul that looked like the PS3 tech demo, I'd be on it like flies on stink. I haven't played my copy in at least 5-7 years and would welcome a fresh start at it again...but with updated graphics.

Many of you ask "why" but let me tell you, if done like the tech demo, this game would sell like hot cakes...