So I'm interested in getting a Genesis...

[NayusDante]

In today's scene, what would be my best option? I do not own any Sega equipment or games prior to my Saturn. Is the original best, or should I go for a Model 2? I DO NOT want a Model 3, which I owned at one point. When I find them for the right prices, I DO want to get a 32X, Sega CD, and a PowerBase Converter.

Amazon seems to have plenty of both models for ~$20-25 shipped, most with the cables and such, but many "console only". My local PlayNTrade has a Model 1 for $30, which I passed up tonight. Local flea market seller had a Model 2 for $20, and there's another seller who I'm sure has several at unknown prices.

Or should I go for a GN Twin or Gen-X? I love my Retro Duo, but I'm not sure if I would want another clone system if I don't have an original unit for comparison. Still, are they region-free or more limited?

Lastly, what are some recommended games to start off with? I've got stuff like DC Smash Pack and Sonic Mega Collection, so I'd only want a few of those for the sake of playing on real hardware.

[ooXxXoo]

The Sega Genesis model 1, the first revision with the 9-pin D-sub connector Ext. port built in the rear, is the way to go, and some late revisions of the Genesis model 2 are great too.....The GEN-X is a good clone for the genesis side at least,but it doesn't have all the capabilities that the original Genesis does.

[namzep]

My personal opinion would be to go with a Model 1 (even though I currently only own a model two). The Model 1's tend to be regarded as overall better systems. As far as games to get it really depends on what type you like. RPG-wise both Shining Forces & Phantasy Star II & IV (III is generally considered to be a departure from the series and alot of people don't really seem to like it). As far as SHUMPs, there are a ton of great games but I highly recommend picking up Herzog Zwei. M.U.S.H.A. is also a great game and you can't go wrong with any of the Sonic games (for mindless fun, that is). There are also a bunch of great sports games (NHL 96 and NBA Jam: TE are personal recommendations).

[NayusDante]

Ok, so if I can find a good condition Model 1, I'll go for that.

I remember reading something about certain models not having stereo audio and such, and that some only have coax video. Anybody know what I'm talking about?

As for games, I forgot about Herzog. I remember seeing it and wanting to play it, but completely forgot about it until that mention.

[DigitalSpace]

Since you don't want a Genesis 3, I'd recommend avoiding a clone system, since I can't imagine them being any better.

Also, while the Model 2 isn't a bad choice (that's what I have), note that you'll need a Genesis 1 to use the Power Base Convertor. And check your local Craigslists for system lots and such if you haven't already. It's possible to get a system for $30 with some games.
Just make sure that no matter what, you get all the hookups, especially when you get a 32X, certain things can be tough to find separately later on. Loose model 2's are a dime a dozen in thrift stores but the hookups aren't always with them.

Also, Sega-16 (http://www.sega-16.com) is your friend. It's a great site for anyone who owns or is interested in getting a Genesis, Sega CD, and 32X.

As for games:
-Get the Genesis 6-pak, which includes Revenge of Shinobi, Streets of Rage, Golden Axe, Columns, Sonic 1, and Super Hang-On on one cart.
-Off the top of my head, I also recommend Castlevania Bloodlines, Contra Hard Corps, OutRun, Vectorman 1 and 2, Ecco and Ecco: The Tides of Time, Alisia Dragoon, Streets of Rage 1-3, Golden Axe 2, Shinobi III and Shadow Dancer, TMNT Hyperstone Heist, Championship Pro-Am, Toe Jam & Earl 1-2, and the best shmups include the Thunderforce series, Fire Shark, Truxton, MUSHA, Task Force Harrier EX, Phelios, Wings of Wor, and Steel Empire.
Also, try not to pay more than a buck for Sonic 2 (the SMB/DH of the Genesis) and any sports games (with possible exception of the two Mutant League games, which can be had for $3-$5)

Hope this helps!

[ooXxXoo]

The Genesis model 1 does not output stereo sound via the native 8 pin din plug(A/V port),but it does thru the phone jack located at the front....While the Genesis model 2 has stereo within its 9 mini pin connector(A/V port).......all Genesis models have their respective ups and downs to take into consideration before choosing the one that will acomodate your needs really.

[MrRoboto19XX]

Alright, now I may be a crazy man, but I say go for the model two. I argue this purely for the aesthetics of having a "full" genesis system.

I say all of this because while there are models of the Sega CD to compliment both the Model 1 and the Model 2, the 32X never seemed (to me at least) to look right on a model 1.

Honestly though, I can't think of any real advantages one has over the other. Either way you're about to get into a really great system, so congrats either way.

EDIT: Wait, I just remembered that only the Model 1 will work with a power base converter in the United States. That being said, I have to recommend the model one to get everything you can out of the system.

EDIT AGAIN: Yeah, just read DigitalSpace's post. What he said.

[Push Upstairs]

The Model 3 is the only one I know that doesn't have stereo audio (without a mod of some kind I believe). The model 1 has stereo out of the headphone jack but mods can be done to give it actual red & white connectors.

I can tell you right now that if you enjoyed any Genesis games on "Smash Pack" you really need to get the actual games, the sound on the SP was screwed up terribly.

As far as games to recommend, give me some idea of the games you like.

[Fuyukaze]

if you dont mind clones, get a Gen-X. If you want a mod 1 or mod 2, I'd sugest PMing Flack as I believe at one time or another he had around 40-50 genesis systems and couldnt even give them away at Halloween a few years ago.

I only sugest the Gen-X as it plays both megadrive and genesis carts without any issues I've found. It also plays NES games but that's another story all together.

[RadiantSvgun]

I recommend JVC X-eye or a Model 1 genesis that has the headphone jack. As stated earlier, it depends on what you want to play. Genesis games are cheaper too.

[Damaramu]

I second the X'Eye.

[DigitalSpace]

I forgot to throw in something about controllers. There aren't a lot of Genesis games that require the six-button controller, but it's the standard controller for the Sega CD and 32X, so it's good to own at least one.

[RadiantSvgun]

Genesis is like NES, its a fun starter system, with a lot of good cheap games. If you told us what types of games you like, we could have a list ready thanks to the many genesis players on this site.

I really recommend the X-eye due to the amazing sound quality. It comes with standard composite jacks, and is also a Sega CD.

[SnowKitty]

Alright, now I may be a crazy man, but I say go for the model two. I argue this purely for the aesthetics of having a "full" genesis system.

I say all of this because while there are models of the Sega CD to compliment both the Model 1 and the Model 2, the 32X never seemed (to me at least) to look right on a model 1.

Honestly though, I can't think of any real advantages one has over the other. Either way you're about to get into a really great system, so congrats either way.

EDIT: Wait, I just remembered that only the Model 1 will work with a power base converter in the United States. That being said, I have to recommend the model one to get everything you can out of the system.

EDIT AGAIN: Yeah, just read DigitalSpace's post. What he said.

it's not that it's incompatible with the model 2, its a matter of not fitting :P you can cut some plasic off the back of a powerbase converter and it will work on a model 2 genesis.

[Penguin]

I have a extra Model 2 if you are interested, also have a TON of controllers/joysticks and a bunch of genny CIB sports games for cheap.

[Push Upstairs]

I can make a quick recommendation for a 3-button controller.

Asciipad SG. It has Turbo and Slo-mo but that isn't the reason to own it, the d-pad and button response are great. The controller I have is still top notch after 15 years.

There is also an SG-6 which (obviously) is the 6 button version, but the d-pad on the one I have is nowhere near as good as the 3-button version.


here is what it looks like: http://cgi.ebay.es/Sega-Genesis-3-BUTTON-TURBO-ASCIIPAD-SG-CONTROLLER-256_W0QQitemZ300214851749QQihZ020QQcategoryZ3642QQ cmdZViewItem

[zektor]

Model 1 with "High Definition Graphics" on the cover. This model plays everything. Carts like "Zany Golf" will not play on any of the other machines (without a game genie or some other pass through device) but will play fine on this first model. Then get yourself a 9-pin video cable and a stereo y-cable. This is without question the best model of the system to have in terms of quality (the sound is the best) and compatibility.

[Press_Start]

If you're dead set on getting everything related to the genesis (Sega CD, 32X, PowerBase Coverter, etc.), then it sounds like you'll need more than one system.

Model one for reasons stated above. Model two as it is the easier and better looking of the three models to hook up the Sega CD and Sega 32X to, as the Model 1 requires a special metal tab to play the 32x on it.

Get Sega CD model 2 with its top-loading CD-rom feature and faster load times. Try getting the Sega CDX can play both Sega CD and Genesis games and doubles as a portable CD music player. Rumors also say they can also play imported Sega CD games (can anyone confirm this?). Keep in mind a Sega CDX is rare and will cost at least $100 on Ebay. Unless you got a pile of money just sitting around collecting dust, I suggest getting both Models 1 and 2, but Model 1 if you feel the add-on are not right for you.

[bangtango]

Nayus:

The Genesis is a favorite of mine. Honestly, I'd recommend getting both a Model 1 and a Model 2 at some point. Yeah, one of each.

Here is what I have to add, regarding hookups, which hasn't really been covered yet........


MODEL 1:
-If you are going to be using an RF cord at all, it uses the same type of RF cord as the NES, Super NES and a ton of other systems. So that is easier to find for this system, you can find NES/SNES rf cords at thrift stores all the time. The Model 2 has a completely different cord and a lot of times you have to get it online since you don't usually stumble on them loose.
-For some reason, the AC adapter is harder to find separately than it is for the Model 2. The Model 1 and Model 2 have completely different AC adapters.


MODEL 2:
-The Model 2 Genesis uses the very same AC adapter that you need to run the 32X. So if you have two of the Model 2 AC adapters, that is half the battle. It also uses the same AV/RF cord that the 32X does. So getting a Model 2 and a spare set of hookups on the side is a good idea if you're going to be running a 32X. Note that you can not use the Model 1 AC adapter with the 32X. And of course you will still need a separate cord and some other parts for the 32X, which is a totally different story but to start with it does use the same hookups that you use on the Model 2 Genesis.

Incidentally, I know that one of the Sega CD models requires the AC adapter from the Model 1 Genesis.

So once again, with the price being so low on each model, you might as well get both a Model 1 and a Model 2. You should buy the one you want, which sounds like the Model 1, and then I'm sure you'll come across the other model you didn't get for $10 or so at a thrift store or maybe you'll get it online. That is my advice.

[guitargary75]

[QUOTE=DigitalSpace;1364032]

(with possible exception of the two Mutant League games, which can be had for $3-$5)

QUOTE]

If you find Mutant League hockey for $3-$5 let me know because I will give you double that and still double my money. No way you'll find MLH for that price, unless your really lucky.

[slip81]

Another option to look at would be thrift stores like the salvation army if you have them in the area. Those place almost always have a genesis lying around and are usually only $5-10.

Also, if you wanted to spend a little more (like around $30-40), and were really concerned about connections, the genesis has a huge modding culture, and there are tons of people around the net selling modded gennys that are "region free" and host stereo and s-video output jacks.

Also, like the many others I'd say if you're going to get the CD and 32X, go with model 2 everything, it'll make it easier in the long run with the connections and all that. Also I agree with MrRoboto, the 32X doesn't look right atop the model 1, though a model 1 "high definition graphics" and CD model 1 are a sweet combo, I always liked the tray loader better.

As far as games, definitely get sonic 3, knuckles, earthworm jim, rocket knight adventures, gunstar heroes, shinobi III, castlevania bloodlines, SoR 2, aladdin, pitfall the mayan adventure, and I always really liked madden '95, also I think the MK's are better on the genny due to the more arcade like 6 button pad. the shining games are also really good, as are the phantasy stars and mega turrican. oh, also beyond oasis.

the great thing about the genesis, is that even the more exspensive games like shining force 2 and psIV will still only set you back about 40 bucks

[Ed Oscuro]

Genesis 2 can sorta be made to convert its video to RGB or S-Video; I recently passed up on something called an XMD-2 (made by Micomsoft). I don't think it'd be as good as a native S-video or RGB mod though.

p.s. according to #vbender (Perkar?) this (http://www.sega-16.com/Features/Genesis%20Accessory%20&%20Peripheral%20Guide/Outback%20Joey%20Auction.htm) is the greatest and most worthwhile Genesis money can buy

[Battlehork]

Genesis 2 can sorta be made to convert its video to RGB or S-Video; I recently passed up on something called an XMD-2 (made by Micomsoft). I don't think it'd be as good as a native S-video or RGB mod though.

p.s. according to #vbender (Perkar?) this (http://www.sega-16.com/Features/Genesis%20Accessory%20&%20Peripheral%20Guide/Outback%20Joey%20Auction.htm) is the greatest and most worthwhile Genesis money can buy

There are certain Model 2 Genesii that have the Sony CXA1645 video encoder (like that in the Genesis 3) and can be modded to S-video with just a handful of components (GameSX has instructions for this and the region mod). Mine has model number MK-1451 on it.

Most Model 2s have a different encoder where you can't do this unfortunately.

[Greg2600]

If you're going for the "classic or vintage" look and feel of the Genesis, then get the Model 1.

Other than that, if you are also looking at the 32X and/or Sega CD, get the model 2 for sure. Finding the 32X to Model 1 adapter is tough, and the Model 2 plus model 2 SEGACD looks better.

The stereo audio really does nothing for me. I got a Model 1 because that is what I had as a kid, so I wanted that one for nostalgia.

[InsaneDavid]

EDIT: Wait, I just remembered that only the Model 1 will work with a power base converter in the United States. That being said, I have to recommend the model one to get everything you can out of the system.

However if you modify the PBC case (or just take the boards out of it) so that it will fit on the Model 2, it will work. Works with the JVC X'Eye as well, it won't fit stock, but if you change it up it will work.

I'm in agreement with the other comments that say the JVC X'Eye is the way to go. Make sure you get the original power supply with it too, as while you may read that a Genesis 2 power supply will work, it does not output the proper power for the JVC X'Eye.


Try getting the Sega CDX can play both Sega CD and Genesis games and doubles as a portable CD music player. Rumors also say they can also play imported Sega CD games (can anyone confirm this?). Keep in mind a Sega CDX is rare and will cost at least $100 on Ebay. Unless you got a pile of money just sitting around collecting dust, I suggest getting both Models 1 and 2, but Model 1 if you feel the add-on are not right for you.

Stay away from the CDX for the simple reason that it's VERY hard to service if it ever requires such. Also the portable CD player aspect is worthless these days and it was then as well, since it has no anti-skip buffer what so ever.


p.s. according to #vbender (Perkar?) this (http://www.sega-16.com/Features/Genesis%20Accessory%20&%20Peripheral%20Guide/Outback%20Joey%20Auction.htm) is the greatest and most worthwhile Genesis money can buy

And if you want one, I have one totally complete (all documentation) and in better condition than the one in the auction archival link above. ;) Seriously (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1362311&postcount=328).

[dao2]

Hmm...

maybe both ;p

Too use a power base converter I think you need a model 1, and a too use a 32x you need a model 2 unless you use those weird metal prongs :S

I think ;p

[InsaneDavid]

Too use a power base converter I think you need a model 1, and a too use a 32x you need a model 2 unless you use those weird metal prongs :S

Again, the PCB can be made to work on both (as well as the JVC X'Eye), the only thing that keeps it out is the shape of its plastic case. A 32X works with both as well (including the JVC X'Eye), those little metal clips don't do anything.

oh no, here comes the argument.......... :roll:

[Alfador]

How much are you selling that Heartbeat trainer for, David?

[SnowKitty]

However if you modify the PBC case (or just take the boards out of it) so that it will fit on the Model 2, it will work. Works with the JVC X'Eye as well, it won't fit stock, but if you change it up it will work.

I'm in agreement with the other comments that say the JVC X'Eye is the way to go. Make sure you get the original power supply with it too, as while you may read that a Genesis 2 power supply will work, it does not output the proper power for the JVC X'Eye.



Stay away from the CDX for the simple reason that it's VERY hard to service if it ever requires such. Also the portable CD player aspect is worthless these days and it was then as well, since it has no anti-skip buffer what so ever.



And if you want one, I have one totally complete (all documentation) and in better condition than the one in the auction archival link above. ;) Seriously (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1362311&postcount=328).

i reccomend either a model 1 or an X'eye. also, as for the X'eye AC adapter, ratshack sells a 1.5 amp 9VDC ac adapter that works well on it (it's what i use on mine cause i didnt get the ac adapter with it)

[MrSparkle]

those little metal clips were supposed to act as rf shielding if im correct but i could never tell the difference (i've since lost mine). Now if you want a really cool setup get a genesis model 1 with the front loading sega cd and a power base converter, and then a sega genesis 2 with the top loading sega cd and a 32x youll be the pimpest genesis player (probably the only one at that) on your block.

[Alfador]

What does the model 1 box that says "High Definition" on it look like?

[c0ldb33r]

A 32X works with both as well (including the JVC X'Eye), those little metal clips don't do anything.

oh no, here comes the argument.......... :roll:
I've always wondered about those metal clips. I used them for awhile on my first genesis/32x and don't use them on my current setup and ... they both look like shit. There's definately some RF issues going on both ways.

If I were to purchase composite cables for my Genesis would that help when using a 32X?

[jb143]

I was always under the impression that the metal clips were just so they could sell it...to meet FCC regulations and all. We have to add metal sheilds to some of the products we make at work. They don't affect our electronics at all, it's just to meet FCC requirements to ensure that our electronics don't interfere with anythign else. Like pacemakers maybe? Not that they ever would, but just in case.

[NayusDante]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=180238992387

I don't have to worry about the Power Base Converter now, heh. Nice collection to start with too. I need to get A/V cables, but still, good deal. Heck, I can take some of the games I don't want to PlayNTrade and trade for A/V. Can't wait for it all to get here...

It's a model 2, but meh. I'll probably get a model 1 someday, but this is a good start.

Here's the game list, though I wish they had whether the games were Gen or SMS...

1). Altered Beast
(2). Sonic Spinball With Book.
(3). Sonic 2
(3-A) Sonic 2.
(4). Mighty Morphin Power Rangers (The Movie) .
(5). NBA Jam. (6). Sonic The HedgeHog.
(7). Sports Talk Football ( Joe Montanna ).
(8) Mazin Saga Mutant Fighter.
(9). Championship PRO-AM.
(10). Tiny Toon Adventures (Buster's Hidden Treasures).
(11). World Of Illusion ( Disney's Mickey Mouse And Donald Duck).
(12). Ultimate Mortal Combat.
(13). Marko.
(14). Sonic The HedgeHog 3.
(15). NFL'95.
(16). NBA-Showdown'94.
(17). Madden-NFL'96.
(18). Blades Of Vengeance.
(19). Phantasy Star.
(20). (Sports) California Games. (With Book).
(21). Toe Jam & Earl. (With Book).
(22). WonderBoy.
(23). (Arcade) Shinobi. (With Book).
(24). (Arena) Super High Impact.
(25). Sonic The HedgeHog.( With Book).
(26). (Arcade) Double Dragon For 1 Or 2 Players.(With Book).
(27). World Grand Prix.(The Mega Cartridge).(With Book).
(28). (Sega Arcade Hit). After Burner.(A Four-Mega Cartridge). (With Book).
(29). ChopLifter ( The Mega Cartridge).(With Book).
(30). (Arcade) Time Soldiers. (With Book).
(31). Flicky.
(32). Eternal Champions.
(33). The Lion King.
(34). NBA Jam Tournament Edition.
(35). The Revenge Of Shinobi

1 Sega Master Controller System , 1 Sega Genesis System , 8 Controllers , Laser Gun , Needs Tv Hook-Up. Could Not Find It ...


Systems Do Work And Put In Storage In My Closet..Kids All Grown Up Now

[Greg2600]

What does the model 1 box that says "High Definition" on it look like?

Check the pictures here out....http://www.oldschoolgamer.ca/information.aspx?SID=14

There is a misconception that if it says High Definition Graphics and has a serial port in the back, that is one of the earliest batches, with supposedly better sound (who can tell?), and the lack of the SEGA copyright screen. Mine says High Def, has a serial port, and still shows the copyright screen. The screen comes on so briefly, by the time you sit back down from switching it on, it is gone.