Capcom vs...NIS? [Archive] - Retrogaming Roundtable

TonyTheTiger

05-07-2008, 07:01 PM

It's apparently called X-Edge and is set for the PS3. I'm all for a "Cartoon All Stars To the Rescue" style special showing up every now and then...but these crossover games are getting a little absurd. It seems like we're at the point that the industry is so successful and has so much extra cash laying around that publishers are looking for ways to entertain themselves and figure that tossing unrelated characters into a single game is a good way to pass the time.

http://www.rpgamer.com/games/other/ps3/xedge/xedge.html

Damaramu

05-07-2008, 07:25 PM

Cross Edge, huh? Interesting. Would love to see Etna in a fighting game though. With assists from her prinny squad.

Jorpho

05-07-2008, 07:35 PM

Nah, it's been a while since Capcom has done a crossover like this. They can keep on going at least until they put Phoenix Wright in a fighting game, as far as I'm concerned.

TonyTheTiger

05-07-2008, 07:45 PM

Eh. I don't have as much a problem with crossovers or even their seeming abundance. Square/Disney, Namco/Capcom, Mortal Kombat/DC, etc.

The problem I have is that Mana Khemia came out less than a year ago in Japan. Ar Tonelico about two years ago. Neither game is particularly critically acclaimed or even all that popular. Who's going to care if Aurica shows up in a crossover? Because of that the whole thing comes off as silly.

Rev. Link

05-07-2008, 07:56 PM

I would be surprised if we actually got this in the US anyway. We never got Namco x Capcom, and that would definitely have been a bigger deal than a Capcom/NIS crossover.

TonyTheTiger

05-07-2008, 08:05 PM

MrRoboto19XX

05-08-2008, 01:37 AM

"Oh, wow. It's Halo vs....Dr. Muto. Neat."

LOL well played, good sir.

Although I personally would rather see "Malice X Ico".

MegaDrive20XX

05-08-2008, 02:02 AM

You know, I would just like to know, since we're on topic to that...why didn't we recieve Namco X Capcom?

nestlekwik

05-08-2008, 10:27 AM

You know, I would just like to know, since we're on topic to that...why didn't we recieve Namco X Capcom?

The only thing I can guess is a handful of characters unfamiliar to the U.S. and large amounts of translation. I don't personally see why that would be a huge deal, but the companies must have found those as viable means to deem the title as a financial risk. It's sad as really Namco X Capcom is a really fun title and it's not too hard to grasp if you don't understand Japanese. Even so, by now there are tons of translations and FAQs available online.

I'll have to see if I can translate anything from that Japanese scan of the Cross Edge promotion. The screens for it look really interesting for sure. I'm not a huge RPG gamer, but these Capcom crossovers tend to suck me in (aside from Etna and Prinny, I really don't care too much about the other companies, truthfully).

Jorpho

05-08-2008, 11:45 AM

It's sad as really Namco X Capcom is a really fun title and it's not too hard to grasp if you don't understand Japanese. Even so, by now there are tons of translations and FAQs available online.

Actually, the English translation hack is apparently almost finished and is now in beta testing.

nestlekwik

05-08-2008, 12:01 PM

Actually, the English translation hack is apparently almost finished and is now in beta testing.

That definitely makes things even easier.

TonyTheTiger

05-08-2008, 04:43 PM

Personally, I just feel like a character should earn his or her place in a crossover since it's such a special thing. It's kind of like a special club for the A students. When every random character has an equal chance of appearing in one then you may as well just throw every character you can think of together and call it "FIGHTING GAME!" or "RPG!"

Then again, with crossovers happening relatively often these days, they've kind of lost what made them so special in the past.

Jorpho

05-08-2008, 05:45 PM

Then again, with crossovers happening relatively often these days, they've kind of lost what made them so special in the past.

They really don't seem to be happening that often, unless you count cameo appearances (like Raiden in Unreal Championship 2). I don't.

(I might add that it has been suggested the DS Itadaki Street Mario/Dragon Quest game might be coming to North America.)

Famidrive-16

05-08-2008, 05:58 PM

"Oh, wow. It's Halo vs....Dr. Muto. Neat."

To be honest I'd be more excited for this than Capcom vs disgaea or whatever the fuck.

TonyTheTiger

05-08-2008, 07:14 PM

They really don't seem to be happening that often, unless you count cameo appearances (like Raiden in Unreal Championship 2). I don't.

(I might add that it has been suggested the DS Itadaki Street Mario/Dragon Quest game might be coming to North America.)

Guest appearances can count depending on how much emphasis is put on them. Just look at the cover art of Soul Calibur II and IV. Hell, with IV you'd think it was Nightmare and Kilik guest starring in a Star Wars game.

But even without counting that type of stuff, I don't think even comic books have as many crossovers as video games seem to be doing these days. I'm not even counting crossovers that happen within a single company like King of Fighters or Smash Bros.

Over the last few years we've seen:

Dream Mix TV World Fighters (Japan Only)
Itagaki Street DS
Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games
Mario Hoops 3-on-3
Namco x Capcom
Kingdom Hearts
Capcom vs. SNK series
Marvel vs. Capcom series
Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe

A crossover game doesn't come out once a week but most of these aren't that old. I'm not even judging the above games. Just making a point. Remember how years ago the idea of Mario and Sonic in the same game sounded all cool and stuff? Did anyone ten years ago ever imagine that their first game together would be about running track?

Maybe this says more about Nintendo and Sega than it does about crossovers in general but you'd think it would be a little more...intense. Imagine if as a kid you heard the Ninja Turtles, Captain Planet, Thundercats and G.I. JOE were going to team up. Now imagine how you'd feel if you found out the entire show consisted of them all playing poker. That would be a bit of a letdown, right? Crossovers shouldn't be that mundane and I feel like the only reason Sonic and Mario was able to be so mundane is because crossovers in general happen fairly often enough and recently seem to feature characters who have no business being in them.

It becomes worse when you consider that even the crossover concept itself in some cases has worn thin. Just look at Kingdom Hearts. How many times can we be expected to play through a bunch of abridged versions of Disney movies which have only a tenuous connection to a more universal plot that is full of pseudo-philosophical existential nonsense? The first game...fine. By now I think most people want to see the cast actually...you know...do something. I for one am tired of seeing Aladdin join your party for 10 minutes and then turning into a mindless NPC. I want to see Beast punch Jafar through a wall. I want to see King Triton and Mickey tag team against Sephiroth and Maleficent.

It's just that back when I heard about X-Men vs. Street Fighter I was pretty intrigued. It sounded neat. Now when I hear about Mario vs. Final Fantasy basketball I turn the page and it's out of sight, out of mind. There's no "punch" to it anymore.

heybtbm

05-08-2008, 07:25 PM

What a bitch.

Of all the things to whine about. :roll:

TonyTheTiger

05-08-2008, 07:29 PM

heybtbm

05-08-2008, 07:38 PM

I'm not whining. Hell, I like Disgaea and Ar Tonelico. I'm just acknowledging that there's not much of a selling point. As strange as MK vs. DC sounds those are at least recognizable characters. "Hey, play X-Edge because it's got characters you don't care about!"

Fine. But you have to admit it's not always a bad thing. Fighting games seem to be made for this type of "vs" scenario. Anyway, maybe NIS characters are more popular in Japan than you think?

incubus421

05-08-2008, 07:47 PM

Just throwing this out there...
many of the posters seem to be posting as if this game is another "Fighter" crossover...this game is actually going to be an RPG. And it seems pretty cool, there are plenty of "fighter" crossovers...but RPGs is a different story.
You have Kingdom Hearts...a new one coming out in a week called "Chaos Wars" and now this: "X-Edge"

TonyTheTiger

05-08-2008, 07:52 PM

Listen, I like crossovers. I like them enough that it bugs me when they become marginalized by "lesser" ones. Mario and Sonic only had one chance to have a first team up. And look at what we got from that.

Those characters might be more popular in Japan. But a lot of them are still kinda new. It just feels weird. Like Ar Tonelico is riding on Darkstalkers' back instead of them holding up the game together.

JSoup

05-08-2008, 09:14 PM

a new one coming out in a week called "Chaos Wars"

Yeah, about that....who the hell are these characters? From what I understand, nothing these characters are in was ever released outside of Japan. Which begs the question, why bother releasing the cross over here?

josekortez

05-08-2008, 09:20 PM

Chaos Wars will include characters from Shadow Hearts and Growlanser, two series that were released here, among others.

TonyTheTiger

05-08-2008, 09:57 PM

The first Growlanser never came here. I guess it's lucky that most of those characters guest starred in the sequel which did.

Daria

05-08-2008, 10:16 PM

I actually really liked Mana Khemia and the characters have enough personality to warrent a cross over game.

But I am disapointed if there's no Breath of Fire cameos. Come on Capcom, pull out your RPG squad!

GaijinPunch

05-08-2008, 10:36 PM

But do they really go for this over there? "Hey, a crossover with some characters from that one game I remember playing for that one week I had nothing else to do. I should check this out." Imagine if this were done here. "Oh, wow. It's Halo vs....Dr. Muto. Neat."

The Gust brand is pretty popular, even if some of the games/characters aren't that memorable. And, well, Ar Tornelico & MK have both warranted sequels, so...

The first Growlanser never came here. I guess it's lucky that most of those characters guest starred in the sequel which did.

Ironic, isn't it? It's the only one of the whole lot that was done really well. Even IV, which gets back to the gameplay has some crap issues.

incubus421

05-08-2008, 10:48 PM

The first Growlanser never came here. I guess it's lucky that most of those characters guest starred in the sequel which did.

Yea kind of sucks...though I'm glad they brought out "Groawlanser Generations" over here, which featured Growlanser II & III on it...have yet to try out the 4th one, but I love 2&3.

Chaos Wars will include characters from Shadow Hearts and Growlanser, two series that were released here, among others.

The others being: Gungrave, and Shinsen Gumi Gunrouden.

Jorpho

05-09-2008, 10:47 AM

But even without counting that type of stuff, I don't think even comic books have as many crossovers as video games seem to be doing these days.

No. No, I can hardly imagine how the current situation might be found to appear that way. (The amount of comic book crossovers that have appeared over the years is staggering.)

neist

05-09-2008, 12:31 PM

Wow.. thats creepy. I posted that news story over there. I hardly expected to find it here.

At any rate, the game looks... weird. My thoughts are really mixed. Most of the franchises are fine... but Darkstalkers.. ehh....

TonyTheTiger

05-09-2008, 07:20 PM

No. No, I can hardly imagine how the current situation might be found to appear that way. (The amount of comic book crossovers that have appeared over the years is staggering.)

Oh, I know that comics have a huge number of crossovers. I'm just talking in recent memory. Like the last 6 years or so. I could be wrong, though. I don't pay too much attention to a lot of independent publishers that might do it outside of my peripheral vision.

TonyTheTiger

05-21-2008, 09:15 PM

http://kotaku.com/5010122/capcom-vs-legendary-anime-company

You have to admit that this is getting pretty amusing now. How random can these crossovers get? Though at least these characters being paired are at least noteworthy. Though perhaps with the way things are going, it won't be long before we see Beetlejuice and Rambo tag teaming against Shredder and Ming the Merciless.

neist

05-21-2008, 10:05 PM