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diskoboy
06-02-2008, 03:10 PM
One question.... Why?

The PS3 controllers are fine, as they are. Sony, you're making yourself look like you've ran out of ideas, and just wanna copy everyone else, now.

I mean, are these really necessary?

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/02/rumor-ps3mote-controller-spotted-at-focus-test/

Tommy
06-02-2008, 03:29 PM
Hahahaha, looks kinda cool but uh really don't think it's necessary. If it does happen then I wouldn't mind taking a look into it.

JunkTheMagicDragon
06-02-2008, 03:53 PM
One question.... Why?

The PS3 controllers are fine, as they are. Sony, you're making yourself look like you've ran out of ideas, and just wanna copy everyone else, now.

i feel the same way about sony and ms (regarding the rumored newton controller). i think any temporary increase in sales from people who wanna wiimote with their HD picture would be offset by the negative image as the 'me too' console.

if they wanna innovate, be innovative, and not just ape nintendo.

better yet, innovate on xbox 720 and ps4. don't screw early adopters like sony did with the dualshock (1&3).

Frankie_Says_Relax
06-02-2008, 03:59 PM
While I certainly understand everybody's frustration over these types of things ...

... historically speaking, any time there is a significant controller "innovation" (read something that generates lots of sales) everybody adopts it.

(Pad style controllers, shoulder buttons, analog, dual analog, rumble packs, built in rumble, standard wireless, and so on and so forth)

it was (and is) only a matter of time until we see Wiimote type controllers on Microsoft and Sony platforms if for no other reason they're a driving form factor of a massively dominating global platform in the Wii.

Of course, I'd still like to see MS and Sony continue to innovate in their own respective rights too.

Jackattack
06-02-2008, 05:01 PM
I appreciate Sony, and am very excited to be getting a PS3 on June 12th with the MGS4 bundle, however to imply that the Sony gaming devision has ever had an original idea in its life is flat out wrong. Every innovation to the controller, from the layout of the buttons to the analog stick, even to the rumble have been a me too effort just copying what nintendo did first.

And maybe that's alright, Imitation is the highest form of flattery, but to be surprised that Sony is continuing to copy what Nintendo has proven is nothing new and really only makes sony look bad to most of it's followers (Especially to those that up until the release will call the wii-mote a gimmick).

Frankie_Says_Relax
06-02-2008, 05:06 PM
I appreciate Sony, and am very excited to be getting a PS3 on June 12th with the MGS4 bundle, however to imply that the Sony gaming devision has ever had an original idea in its life is flat out wrong. Every innovation to the controller, from the layout of the buttons to the analog stick, even to the rumble have been a me too effort just copying what nintendo did first.

And maybe that's alright, Imitation is the highest form of flattery, but to be surprised that Sony is continuing to copy what Nintendo has proven is nothing new and really only makes sony look bad to most of it's followers (Especially to those that up until the release will call the wii-mote a gimmick).

To be fair, if they're being included in this discussion - Microsoft hasn't REEEALLY innovated anything console-wise either.

(And before people jump down my throat about it, yes yes, they've packaged a lot of excellent stuff for the console market that was previously only PC fare. XBLA is what it is, and they were 1st to the gate with pay-for-digital-distribution ... but, all that stuff was simply TRANSLATED well to the console format by MS, not invented for it)

Yes, they've done a lot well in recent in recent generations, but they're just as guilty as Sony in terms of being a "me too" hardware developer.

Poofta!
06-02-2008, 06:10 PM
While I certainly understand everybody's frustration over these types of things ...

... historically speaking, any time there is a significant controller "innovation" (read something that generates lots of sales) everybody adopts it.

(Pad style controllers, shoulder buttons, analog, dual analog, rumble packs, built in rumble, standard wireless, and so on and so forth)

it was (and is) only a matter of time until we see Wiimote type controllers on Microsoft and Sony platforms if for no other reason they're a driving form factor of a massively dominating global platform in the Wii.

Of course, I'd still like to see MS and Sony continue to innovate in their own respective rights too.

precisely. stop being haters. im all up for having a console that is a media powerhouse, a graphics/physics powerhouse AND has those cool quirky mini games found on the wii. plus with nintendo's lack of quality control these days (speaking about software) im muuuuuch more interested in seeing what lands in Sony/MS's court (including XBL!)

its not about who thought of what first. its about who did it best (and smartest).


edit: lets call it the "PStwiimote" LOL

Rob2600
06-02-2008, 06:47 PM
to be surprised that Sony is continuing to copy what Nintendo has proven is nothing new and really only makes sony look bad to most of it's followers (Especially to those that up until the release will call the wii-mote a gimmick).

Yes, if this rumor turns out to be true, I can see it now: most Sony fans who call the Wii remote a dumb gimmick will all of a sudden love the "PS3mote," which is almost identical.

Poofta!
06-02-2008, 07:04 PM
..."PS3mote,"...

no dude... PSTwiiMOTE!!!!

lendelin
06-02-2008, 09:16 PM
I was afraid that the Wii remote gets copied by Sony and MS. We'll have the war of the gimmicks if these "'new" controllers work as well (=bad) as the Wii remote...which I expect they will.

PS3 and 360 owners prepare for the big revolution in gaming for short shallow party games, offerings of cheap shovelware, hopes for the included option with the standard buttons, and just plain 'fun.' At least these two systems don't sell because of the gimmick and the devices are cheap afterthought copycats based on mere salesnumbers. Nintendo is the driving force of game design and others follow happily the money path.

Icarus Moonsight
06-03-2008, 12:34 AM
HAHA OMG. Sony just made my day! Thanks guys. :D I thought it was only Sega nowadays that needed a laser sight to shoot their own foot. *giggle* This generation is getting REAL interesting.

Forget everything derogative we ever said in the past about the Wiimote! For now, we bring you ours! Line-up, there is enough for everyone!

*crickets*

RIDDDDDGE RAACCCCERRRRRRR!

*crickets stop*

Crap...

swlovinist
06-03-2008, 02:00 AM
Sony can make a remote for their over-bloated system. I am speaking as a current PS3 owner...they need to just stick to the basics and not try to copy the competition. They need to just make an affordable game system to sell millions. Attaching a controller to a $400 machine is not gonna cut it.

Problems forseen: They will charge $59.99 and nobody will care
It will work only with certain games that nobody will buy
Nintendo Will Sue their ass

Frankie_Says_Relax
06-03-2008, 07:29 AM
Sony can make a remote for their over-bloated system. I am speaking as a current PS3 owner...they need to just stick to the basics and not try to copy the competition. They need to just make an affordable game system to sell millions. Attaching a controller to a $400 machine is not gonna cut it.

Problems forseen: They will charge $59.99 and nobody will care
It will work only with certain games that nobody will buy
Nintendo Will Sue their ass

Sue?

Why would both Microsoft (allegedly) and Sony (allegedly) develop controller technology if Nintendo had some type of total patent on it?

Granted it's not like lawsuits and controllers are total strangers, as everybody has had their share of legal issues with Immersion (the rumble people) ... but I doubt that MS and Sony would develop a remote style controller if Nintendo had an iron-clad patent on the intellectual design concept.

mailman187666
06-03-2008, 08:48 AM
I would just like to see Sony and Microsoft continue to make great games that everybody enjoys. It would be better if Sony did more with the tilt function in the sixaxis and dualshock, I wouldn't mind a little bit of that action (flow used the tilt rather well).

Nature Boy
06-03-2008, 12:07 PM
think any temporary increase in sales from people who wanna wiimote with their HD picture would be offset by the negative image as the 'me too' console.

As a 360 owner I disagree. There's no way I'm buying a Wii*. I know I'd enjoy it and the style of game it offers, but I'm not really interested in spending the dough for another console just so I can play Bowling and Tennis**.

If MS offered me a similar controller and similar simple games I'd buy it, and be happy they were pulling a 'me too' because it saves me a few hundred bucks.

(* As a collector of consoles, I'll own a PS3 and Wii eventually, but not until the tail end of their life cycles)

(** I know the Wii offers more than just the sports stuff, but that's all I'd buy at this point anyway)

figment1988
06-03-2008, 01:29 PM
Sony can make a remote for their over-bloated system. I am speaking as a current PS3 owner...they need to just stick to the basics and not try to copy the competition. They need to just make an affordable game system to sell millions. Attaching a controller to a $400 machine is not gonna cut it.

Problems forseen: They will charge $59.99 and nobody will care
It will work only with certain games that nobody will buy
Nintendo Will Sue their ass

i totally agree. if nintendo gets word on this, there might be a lawsuit in Sony's future.

MachineGex
06-03-2008, 05:00 PM
The picture of the "new" sony re(wii)-mote looks like a april fools joke. No way that picture is real? It is just a black wii remote. I guess I should have read the article better. I am sure it is an artist's mock-up.
edit: Yeah, it is an artist's mock-up. I should have read the small print at the bottom of article.

Frankie_Says_Relax
06-03-2008, 05:45 PM
i totally agree. if nintendo gets word on this, there might be a lawsuit in Sony's future.

Come on party peoples,

let's sit back and think about this for a second.

Out of all the individual part that make up a Wiimote (or their collective sum) ... not a single one would really allow Nintendo to (effectively) sue over hardware "patent/copyright" ... perhaps over some type of intellectual property/design for the "shape" of it ... but that's much harder to prove.


Gyrometer

Accelerometer

LED Sensor

Bluetooth

Internal Speaker

Sorry ... those are all very well tread areas in electronics and gaming.

Sure, they could sue whoever they want (this is America, land of the frivolous lawsuit) but that doesn't mean that they'd have a real case.

otoko
06-03-2008, 06:00 PM
Sure, they could sue whoever they want (this is America, land of the frivolous lawsuit) but that doesn't mean that they'd have a real case.

Nor did the woman who sued Mcdonalds for spilling her own hot coffee in her lap in my own opinion.

Greg2600
06-04-2008, 08:33 AM
I really like how the Wiimote can be inserted into the steering wheel or the zapper/gun contraption, thus giving you several kinds of controllers in one. I should think that would be really nice to have for both PS3 and 360. I really don't see the Wii's simple games being very popular with the other systems though. Again, the Wii has sold because it is dramatically less expensive than the other two. So I don't see MS or Sony gaining those types of buyers, especially not little kids. But if I had a 360 or PS3 and the time to play it, I would definitely welcome the remote and accessories option for them. But I wouldn't want to use it for bowling.

Cornelius
06-04-2008, 12:48 PM
Nor did the woman who sued Mcdonalds for spilling her own hot coffee in her lap in my own opinion.

If you haven't read the details of that case, you really should before spouting it off as an example of a frivolous lawsuit.

Rob2600
06-04-2008, 12:55 PM
If you haven't read the details of that case, you really should before spouting it off as an example of a frivolous lawsuit.

Well, he did write, "in my own opinion."

Cornelius
06-04-2008, 01:15 PM
Well, he did write, "in my own opinion."

but not 'in my own accurately informed opinion'. If he'd said that, I would have just called him an unfeeling, inhuman, jerk, and been done with it. ;)

Okay, back to our regularly scheduled program...

I wouldn't by a PStwiimote right away, but at some point I'd pick one up. The question is if it is going to sell consoles and games to the masses (not us relative fanatics). I think that it would... once blu-ray becomes more mainstream, I think the Sony (wii)S3 blu-ray/bowling/tennis machine will be a no-brainer for a lot of people. Oh, and if their remote came out and looked like that mockup, no question there would be a lawsuit!

Icarus Moonsight
06-05-2008, 12:12 PM
That is why it was required of Nintendo to make the remote control the "standard" control for the Wii. Adopting a specialized controller (as an add-on) this late in the game is actually rather dangerous and threatens to lessen their [Sony & MS] impact/share on the market. Not expand it as they certainly seem to believe. Do you include the PStwiimote (There Poofta, I hope you're happy...) with a system purchase? Abandon the Dualshock3 as you did the Sixaxis? Nothing but a Sega-like string of bad decisions and making the best of bad situations can come of this. On that note, go ahead Sony, DO IT! Then your journey to the Darkside will be complete. Bwahahaha! :p

During the next hardware cycle is the right time to adopt, if they are going to at all.

Nature Boy
06-25-2008, 09:22 AM
That is why it was required of Nintendo to make the remote control the "standard" control for the Wii.

They had to make it standard because that was their business model.

For Sony/MS it wouldn't be about trying to keep up with the number of games or adopt the same customer base as Nintendo's. It's about supplying a popular game style to their existing customer base.

Icarus Moonsight
06-25-2008, 09:29 AM
It will fail without being the standard control method for the system nonetheless.

It's "popular" because it isn't a peripheral. Offered as a peripheral it will not have the same affect at market. Then there's the whole "copycat" stigma that will go along with it... has nothing to do with a business model. It's more customer perception and practicality than anything.

Nature Boy
06-25-2008, 09:40 AM
It will fail without being the standard control method for the system nonetheless.

Bollocks. Look at the controller you need to play games like GH, and tell me it's going to fail because it's not a standard controller.

All you need is the right support behind it.

Icarus Moonsight
06-25-2008, 10:15 AM
You offer the Guitar controller as a case for possible success. I could counter that all day with peripherals that have failed to support more than a small handful of games. The argument is moot. Either you get my point or you don't and thats alright. I just wanted to restate and perhaps clarify. Though, if your game, perchance we could lay a wager? I'm quite confident in my assertions. Put your money where your post is so to speak. LOL

Frankie_Says_Relax
06-25-2008, 11:19 AM
You offer the Guitar controller as a case for possible success. I could counter that all day with peripherals that have failed to support more than a small handful of games. The argument is moot. Either you get my point or you don't and thats alright. I just wanted to restate and perhaps clarify. Though, if your game, perchance we could lay a wager? I'm quite confident in my assertions. Put your money where your post is so to speak. LOL

This is a great point considering that Sony sold MILLIONS of EyeToy units, and while that was supported with a marginal amount of software, never really ammounted to much beyond a novelty (although probably the most effective application of a console webcam ever).

Nature Boy
06-26-2008, 12:39 PM
You offer the Guitar controller as a case for possible success. I could counter that all day with peripherals that have failed to support more than a small handful of games. The argument is moot. Either you get my point or you don't and thats alright. I just wanted to restate and perhaps clarify. Though, if your game, perchance we could lay a wager? I'm quite confident in my assertions. Put your money where your post is so to speak. LOL

If the argument is moot why ask for a wager?

(And no, I'm not going to make a wager with a total stranger over a post on a forum. Seems pointless).

I do understand what you're saying. I just disagree with it.

Go ahead and list counter peripheral examples if you'd like. My point isn't that it *will* succeed. I won't form an opinion on it that specifically until I see how they market it and how they support it. It's that it *can* succeed, and I only need one example of that to illustrate it.

Icarus Moonsight
06-26-2008, 02:25 PM
We'll see what happens. I have heard about another design from Sony. Basically, a Dual Shock 3 that splits in two and functions like the wiimote nunchaku combo. Wired or not between the split? I haven't heard a thing about that. It sounds interesting and would be a much better path to take than the copycat BS. I just pity the poor bastards that will be forced to buy yet another set of expensive controllers. :eek: No one is going to be happy whether it works out or not.