My sealed Suikoden (PS1) may be a reseal?

[Kitsune Sniper]

I relisted my sealed Suikoden on eBay this evening, and I've already gotten one person claiming that the seal isn't original, so I'd like to ask the forum's experts for their opinion.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320261045348

Here's what the eBay buyer had to say:

"Hi. You may not be aware of this but this game is NOT original and
unopened. The plastic wrap on this game is heat-seal wrap. This is not the
wrap used for original Playstation games."

I requested proof of this, but I figured I'd ask here too. There's pictures on the link up there, and I can provide bigger ones if requested. The security seal seems to be intact, so I have -no reason- to believe the game has been tampered with, but... eh.

Thanks.


Original message:
I've got a sealed Suikoden 1 on eBay at the moment, but I'm considering pulling the auction due to PayPal stupidity (the chance of me losing money if the item gets lost or if a foreign buyer tries to scam me is too great.)

How much could I sell this for? I'm thinking of pulling it and relisting it next week.

I've seen auctions for Suikoden 2 go for over $100 (even bare discs, WTF?!) but I haven't seen any auctions for a new Suikoden 1, ever.

Thoughts?

[xtremegamer]

The only thing I can really compare to in as far as value wise is my Tactic's Ogre sealed I sold this past winter, it went for just under $150. I would imagine you should be able to get that or more for Suikoden sealed.

[dao2]

I've got a sealed Suikoden 1 on eBay at the moment, but I'm considering pulling the auction due to PayPal stupidity (the chance of me losing money if the item gets lost or if a foreign buyer tries to scam me is too great.)

How much could I sell this for? I'm thinking of pulling it and relisting it next week.

I've seen auctions for Suikoden 2 go for over $100 (even bare discs, WTF?!) but I haven't seen any auctions for a new Suikoden 1, ever.

Thoughts?

The original is worth a lot less :/ around 40-60 mint CIB? Dunno about a sealed one but I don't think you can expect more then Suikoden II even non-sealed >< Sealed games have been going up in price a bit though....

[jeffg]

i have seen sealed suikoden I go for about $100-$125 about 3 months ago or so

I remember running into these at Meijer's on clearance for $9.98 about 6 years ago, I remember seeing probably 20 of them at about 3 different stores.
Man I wish I would have bought them, same thing with the 1/2 dozen Arc the Lad's and Lunar Eternal Blue Boxed sets for $19.98 on clearance at Sam Goody

[carlcarlson]

I'd agree with jeffg and xtremegamer, around $100-$150; if you're hurting for money, hold out for $150, and if a friend wants it, take $100.

[VACRMH]

I remember running into these at Meijer's on clearance for $9.98 about 6 years ago, I remember seeing probably 20 of them at about 3 different stores.


Haha, I was going to say the same thing. That's how I got my second copy a year or two after I sold my original. It was at Sears.

[Kitsune Sniper]

I'd agree with jeffg and xtremegamer, around $100-$150; if you're hurting for money, hold out for $150, and if a friend wants it, take $100.

I ended the auction. I'll wait a week and relist it, and I've also decided that I will not ship outside the USA. There's too many risks now, and I don't trust PayPal anymore.

Thanks for your advice.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Bump for new question. Damnit.

I relisted my sealed Suikoden on eBay this evening, and I've already gotten one person claiming that the seal isn't original, so I'd like to ask the forum's experts for their opinion.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320261045348

Here's what the eBay buyer had to say:

"Hi. You may not be aware of this but this game is NOT original and
unopened. The plastic wrap on this game is heat-seal wrap. This is not the
wrap used for original Playstation games."

I requested proof of this, but I figured I'd ask here too. There's pictures on the link up there, and I can provide bigger ones if requested. The security seal seems to be intact, so I have -no reason- to believe the game has been tampered with, but... eh.

Thanks.

[gepeto]

I have a vanguard bandit that I bought years ago and it has the plastic seal like yours has. The case seal is intact but the whole game is sealed in a plastic type of reseal.

All the vangard games on his shelf had the same look and wrap. I have bought a couple of games from eb like that shenmue being one of them they said the games come like that maybe something needed to be altered in the us version. I say sell it like you got it. The common thread is all games I have seen have been doublewide. If the sticker seal at the top is fine then hey. They might have opened it to stick something in it. On the plastic is a sticker that says includes lunar demo.

[carlcarlson]

If the sticker seal is intact then it's sealed either way, no? And the outer plastic already has some rips in it, so that kind of negates that layer anyway in my eyes. I can't say much about the authenticity of that seal because I haven't seen a 100% legit one in a long time, but to me the right side looks good and the left side looks bad. I don't know if the left corner just got a bit bashed up or something, but it looks like a reseal on that side. The right looks like what I remember seeing back in the day.

[Jimmy Yakapucci]

This sounds like a job for... (cue dramatic music)....

the VGA and their grading service.

Ta Da !!

Now crawling back to my hole.....

JY

[walrusmonger]

The sticker seal looks a little weird, a little too far to the left. It seems like a reseal to me, where did you get it?

[Kitsune Sniper]

Aww, man, don't say that. :(

I bought it at the flea market where I buy stuff to resell. I've gotten sealed games there in the past, and I have no reason to believe this one is fake, but... :|

[glorfindel]

well to me it looks real or a verygood job re-sealing it. i wouldnt trust the guy on ebay saying its a re-seal cause he might be looking to get it cheap off you if you are convinced its a re-seal

[Kitsune Sniper]

That's why I asked here. I asked him for proof and so far he hasn't said a thing, so...

Also, Jimmy, shut the hell up :P I'm not going to get involved with those morons.

[Jimmy Yakapucci]

Actually, I feel really bad for you if it is a reseal. I also feel bad for me for passing up all the fairly cheap copies that I saw a few years ago sitting around. I kept looking at the game thinking, "That looks like a stupid game. I won't waste my money on it."

JY

[Kitsune Sniper]

Actually, I feel really bad for you if it is a reseal. I also feel bad for me for passing up all the fairly cheap copies that I saw a few years ago sitting around. I kept looking at the game thinking, "That looks like a stupid game. I won't waste my money on it."

JY

... Dude, it cost me THREE DOLLARS. It's not like I paid hundreds for this. I'm trying to sell it because I need money for a trip I have to take in a month (and the bus fares are going up - the round trip tickets went up 30 dollars in two days...)

[Mark III]

I've seen sealed ones that look like that before, I wouldn't worry about it. I've also ran across Vandal Hearts and I believe a few other early release double jewel cases that had similar seals.

[gepeto]

Here are pic of the vanguard bandits. At the time all the ones on the shelf were like this.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j204/gepet0/101_0641.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j204/gepet0/101_0640.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j204/gepet0/101_0642.jpg

[walrusmonger]

You paid $3 for it... just list it at $80 and see where it goes from there. If you're upset with $70ish profit, then don't give up your day job :)

[dao2]

I'm not a master in sealing/resealing, but I think that it's a fake ><

I got a new/sealed copy of Suikoden A while ago, back when it was like 15 bucks at EB.
It was one of those fold over seals, like the normal ones you see (yes even the thick ones had it too, at least mine did >< So did my MGS. Also the sticker looks a little off-center, though this may be the case for some ps-1 games I haven't seen it afore ;p I'm not saying I'm a master at it...

Also it looks kinda junky but that might be because of dmg too the seal ;p

[Kitsune Sniper]

You paid $3 for it... just list it at $80 and see where it goes from there. If you're upset with $70ish profit, then don't give up your day job :)

Actually, I listed it at $250 because of the approximate $150 value that was suggested to me in this thread. I figured, list it at $250, accept offers, and maybe someone will offer $100-150-ish. The listing fee wasn't that different anyway, I think.

... Also, this IS my day job. :P

[walrusmonger]

You should seriously consider getting a part time job at a game store- if you havent already- because the amount of gems that you can intercept is amazing.

When I was working at a game store I probably made more from selling what I bought from customers then my paychecks.

[The 1 2 P]

I think it's legit. Althought it looks fake, if you go into any electronic store(such a Best Buy or Circuit City) you can usually fine one or two games that are wrapped like this from the same title. For instance, when I got my copy of Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow for the DS at Best Buy--out of the 7 copies they had, 4 had the y-fold factory seal and the other 3 had the generic looking shrink wrap. I know that all the shrink wrap ones weren't reseals, they just didn't get the preferred factory seal wrap. So your copy may be legit with abnormal shrink wrap.

[Kitsune Sniper]

You should seriously consider getting a part time job at a game store- if you havent already- because the amount of gems that you can intercept is amazing.

When I was working at a game store I probably made more from selling what I bought from customers then my paychecks.

The only game stores here are Gamestop, Wal-Mart, Toys'R'Us, the Korean store near the border crossing who charge $70 for sealed, dirt common PS1 games, the Chinese store near the border that charges $80 for sealed Gamecube and PS2 games (the guy wanted me to pay $40 for a game with a $15 MSRP!), and the Mexican store that charges $30 for common Target clearance games. Besides, I would probably get fired in a couple of days because I refuse to push protection scams on people. That's probably what got me fired from Toys'R'Us last Christmas.

Anyway, I like running my little eBay store. :) I just wish I had a more stable job to pay the bills. :P Ah, if only I could work as a translator from home. Or if I could run my own store, kinda like a DigitalPress franchise, I would. I'd LOVE to run my own store. This area needs it, desperately. But without capital, I can't do a thing. ... that and stores in town get robbed all the time. Several stores have closed because they've been robbed several times in less than a month. -_-

*ahem*

1 2 P, I've seen those kinds of seals quite often. And I agree, they're weird but legitimate. It's still odd.

Aaaaaaaanyway the guy who said my game wasn't legit replied to me! This is what he said:


Well, if you have any other sealed games to compare it to, you would
clearly see that they are NOT heat sealed. NO company used heat seals on
their wrappers. The statement about the original sticker is foolish. If you
had ever opened a new game you would know it is no trouble at all to remove
the seal without damaging it.. thus making it possible to place it on
another game. Please do yourself and your buyer the favor of looking into
this item. It's not worth the quick buck...

So uh. What?

[Cornelius]

If you want to respond to this guy at all, I guess you could point him here and tell him you are looking into it. But honestly, I'd just forget about him, probably block him, and move on. He sounds like he know everything there ever is, was, or will be about games (and probably everything else), so any kind of honest discussion is pointless.

[walrusmonger]

I've seen plenty of games use heat seals, but they were always HUGE releases (halo 2, gta san andreas) or DS games. I have never seen a ps1 game use a heat seal, although I'm sure it's possible.

[Kitsune Sniper]

If you want to respond to this guy at all, I guess you could point him here and tell him you are looking into it. But honestly, I'd just forget about him, probably block him, and move on. He sounds like he know everything there ever is, was, or will be about games (and probably everything else), so any kind of honest discussion is pointless.

I told him the stuff you guys told me about Vanguard Bandits and Vandal Hearts earlier today. He hasn't replied yet, but I'm sure he will. I don't care what he says, I trust the people in this forum a lot more than a random eBay stranger.

And I don't want to point him here... he'd probably get flamed because of his attitude. :|

[suckerpunch5]

I'd be pretty suspicious of that seal. I would never buy that as a factory sealed game.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Well, this just got worse.


I collect Playstation sealed and opened games. I just looked up several examples of the games you named on EBAY.. they did NOT have heat shrink wrap. This game DID NOT COME IN THAT WRAPPER! You are obviously going to believe what you want to believe. If this game sells, i am reporting you to both Sony and Ebay for fraud. (Name removed)

Yes, the guy tacked on his name onto the end of the message. I removed it for obvious reasons.

I'm not sure how to reply to him. He seems rather... aggressive. I've already blocked him from my auctions.

I don't think Sony will do anything about my auction, as the game is by Konami and I doubt they give a damn about a game that's over ten years old. But eBay's another matter...

[carlcarlson]

Just put a clause in there about how you did not buy this game new at a store, so you can't be 100% certain of it's authenticity. Say you've run it by some people in the know and the popular opinion (at least I think anyway) is that the seal is legit. That's about the best you can do I'd say.

And yeah, that guy sounds like a tool. He's trying to strongarm you into reducing the price. If you want to have a little fun ask him if he'd give $80 for it.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Actually, I'm planning on reporting him to eBay for harassment. I don't intend to reply to him, because it's getting harder and harder not to tell him to shut the fuck up.

[The 1 2 P]

Actually, I'm planning on reporting him to eBay for harassment. I don't intend to reply to him, because it's getting harder and harder not to tell him to shut the fuck up.

Thats a good idea. However, in my earlier seller days I had similar idol threats for things such as selling free demos. Looking back on it now I wonder why some people can be so stupid but thats not my job to determine. Like the other guy said, just sell it and make sure you state the fact that it was found/bought new at a flea market and not at a retail store.

[Kitsune Sniper]

IMPORTANT NOTE:
I did not buy this game new in a store; I bought this at a local thrift sale. As far as I can tell, and according to several people I consulted, this is a legitimate seal (even if it's a bit weird looking.) If you do not believe this is a legitimate seal, then please do not bid or offer a price.

Hope that's good enough. I almost gave in to writing "If you feel like being an internet policeman, kindly go screw yourself" but I was strong. :P

[carlcarlson]

Hope that's good enough. I almost gave in to writing "If you feel like being an internet policeman, kindly go screw yourself" but I was strong. :P

Haha, nice. I would actually take out the "(even though it's weird looking)" or whatever. I myself didn't think twice about it being legit when I first saw your pics, but if I saw that I would think twice. No need to put any doubt in their heads, especially if you really do think it's authentic (which I do).

[Kitsune Sniper]

Haha, nice. I would actually take out the "(even though it's weird looking)" or whatever. I myself didn't think twice about it being legit when I first saw your pics, but if I saw that I would think twice. No need to put any doubt in their heads, especially if you really do think it's authentic (which I do).

Kay, that bit's been removed. I tend to write my auction descriptions in an informal tone, kinda similar to how I speak in real life. ;p

[Kitsune Sniper]

And so ends the drama!


I have been informed that some of the early double discs did, in fact, come
in a heat seal. Please accept my humblest apologies. It was not my
intention to make trouble for you.. i just wanted to save someone else
some. Again, please accept my apology. (Name removed)

Jesus. But he's still banned from my auctions. :P

[carlcarlson]

Score one for Kitsune and DP. I understand what he was trying to do, but he sure didn't go about it very well.

[PapaStu]

Welcome to sealed game hell. I really dislike when people start spouting off that kind of stuff in regards to the games when they obviously don't know. I've got bunches of sealed PS games bought new, that came in the heat shrink wrappers that are single disc games as well.

I can't wait for people to get on in a few years about DS games, where just as many big time publishers games are in heat shrink as smaller no name publishers.

Glad you got that monkey off your back Kitsune.

[The 1 2 P]

I told him about the DS heat shrink games as well because they were abundant when I bought my copy of Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow for the DS. Honestly, I think the hardest mainstream games to decipher rather they are reseals or not are Genesis games. They had several different wraps to begin with and they all look very amatuer, lol.

Anyway, congrats Kitsune. One down and billion more to go:)

[rarebucky]

Just to reiterate Kitsune, yours looks 100% legit. I have the game factory sealed myself, and it is identical to your copy. Many double-disc PS1 games were sealed like that.

[Big Papa Husker]

I had a Star Ocean Second Story that was sealed the EXACT same way. I bought it from EB or Babbages (Gamestop) back in 2001 or so, so I know that it was a factory seal.

[gepeto]

I had a Star Ocean Second Story that was sealed the EXACT same way. I bought it from EB or Babbages (Gamestop) back in 2001 or so, so I know that it was a factory seal.

And on the vanguad bandit pictured earlier that was sealed like. There was a lunar demo inside sticker was placed on the reshrinked looking wrapper. Why or how would a resealer do that?