View Full Version : favourite underdog console/s
extra_anchovy
06-10-2008, 04:45 AM
yep another one of those favourite threads, if its been done before than just ignore it. this one is about you're favourite "underdog" console/s. that means a console which is disliked by the majority of people or unpopular consoles. not stuff like NES, SNES, GEN, PSX, etc so most consoles are underdogs. if you don't like any underdog consoles then just go and play your dam xbox dammit! just kidding ..... I'd never subject anyone to such torture. anyway the underdog consoles I am most fond of are CD-i, 3DO and Sega Master System
Brian Deuel
06-10-2008, 05:34 AM
Dreamcast. Gets no respect just because its a Sega console and came out after their bumbling of the Saturn, 32X and Sega CD. Because of those mistakes, I constantly hear that the DC "sucks". But I like it, and since I know how to make my OWN decisions, that's all that matters in the end.
Steven
06-10-2008, 05:59 AM
I'd think the SEGA SATURN to adequately qualify as an underdog, especially taken in its NA 1995-1998 context.
Wraith Storm
06-10-2008, 06:41 AM
I'd think the SEGA SATURN to adequately qualify as an underdog, especially taken in its NA 1995-1998 context.
I'm not sure that I would consider the Saturn an underdog system... It did pretty well for it's self in Japan and had a hardcore following (I was one of em') in the states. It's also known for it's high quality arcade ports and shooters. But, like you said it did have a short lifespan and at the time I guess people did trash talk it.
So I nominate the Saturn as well! Runner up would be the Turbo duo or Sega CD! I don't care what people say... The freaking Sega CD was a freaking awesome system with freaking awesome games!!!
DeputyMoniker
06-10-2008, 07:03 AM
I'm not sure that I would consider the Saturn an underdog system... It did pretty well for it's self in Japan and had a hardcore following (I was one of em') in the states. It's also known for it's high quality arcade ports and shooters. But, like you said it did have a short lifespan and at the time I guess people did trash talk it.
So I nominate the Saturn as well! Runner up would be the Turbo duo or Sega CD! I don't care what people say... The freaking Sega CD was a freaking awesome system with freaking awesome games!!!
I would imagine that, despite its popularity in the US, the JN's could consider the XBOX to be an underdog over there. So, yeah, the Saturn is an underdog here.
My fav underdog is the Virtualboy. I don't have one, though, so I guess my opinion could change some day. I do, however, find it to be very intriguing and the games we could have seen could have been a lot of fun. I think, second only to the CDi, it is the underdog I have spent the most time reading about. Had we gotten another year into development, I'd have bought one by now. There were some good plans for its future.
Mayhem
06-10-2008, 07:07 AM
The NGPC all the way...
Nebagram
06-10-2008, 07:27 AM
Saturn and/or Dreamcast. Simple as that really.
Wraith Storm
06-10-2008, 07:29 AM
The NGPC all the way...
Faselei! This game should have moved NGPC units by the truck load...
8bitgamer
06-10-2008, 08:02 AM
Sega Master System.
Atari 7800.
DarthKur
06-10-2008, 08:05 AM
I'm quite fond of both my Vectrex and Fairchild Channel F. I imagine the Odyssey 2 counts as well since it was always in a distant third place with the VCS and INTV.
thom_m
06-10-2008, 08:42 AM
Dreamcast, all the way. My brother-in-law had one, and I'd spend hours playing Crazy Taxi 2 with him and my wife. It had other cool games, like Shen Mue or Street Fighter 3. It was a really great console, in my opinion, and it's a shame it died so early.
anyway the underdog consoles I am most fond of are CD-i, 3DO and Sega Master System
Curiously, the Master System was not an underdog, but a major player in Brazil. It was the first 8-Bit console to be released here, and the only officially supported one for years. The famiclones, and later the NES itself, had a hard time competing against it.
Tec Toy, which holds SEGA's license here, still makes them to this day, although they don't release games anymore. It comes with Genesis six button pads, 131 built-in games, and no cartridge slot; the f%*$ers took out the cartridge slot from the Mega Drive too...
DeputyMoniker
06-10-2008, 08:46 AM
Tec Toy, which holds SEGA's license here, still makes them to this day, although they don't release games anymore. It comes with Genesis six button pads, 131 built-in games, and no cartridge slot; the f%*$ers took out the cartridge slot from the Mega Drive too...
We get things like that from time to time. It's called a "Plug-n-play." We have had the 2600, INTV, Colecovision, etc.
AB Positive
06-10-2008, 08:59 AM
Most of my favorite systems fall into this category:
Neo Geo (all variations including pocket) - Damn great games, damn fine systems (AES, CD, Pocket), bad price points and save for the AES - bad marketing. Still, some of the most fun you'll ever have as a gamer can be found on these systems.
Saturn - the Dreamcast did WAY better in north america than the Saturn did, damn thing didn't have a chance really. Just as it was making headway, Sony comes in with a system $100 cheaper and nintendo announces their new 64-bit platform.
Then FFVII hit. Might as well just stuck a dagger in sega at that point, even with their ridiculous saturn marketing taken out of the equation.
Turbo Duo - I wish I still had my region modded one, no better SF2:CE port than the PC-Engine version... another system that Japan loved but the US couldn't care about.
-AB+
thom_m
06-10-2008, 09:23 AM
We get things like that from time to time. It's called a "Plug-n-play." We have had the 2600, INTV, Colecovision, etc.
Yeah, but the funny thing is that, back here, the consoles are still sold legally, under the Sega license, using copyrighted names like "Master System" and "Mega Drive" (although they don't sport the the Sega logo anymore, I guess). You can even buy boxed, brand new six button pads from authorized repair shops, but they are made in ugly colors now, to fit the current products...:(
EDIT: We can also put our hands on this crazy thing here (http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.tectoy.com.br% 2Fproduto_interna.php%3Fid%3D8&lp=pt_en&btnTrUrl=Translate)!
Now that you mentioned, we could really use other decent plug-n-play/famiclones 'round here, aside from the Sega consoles. All we can find is the Polystation, which sucks hard.
Well, getting back to the topic: Underdog or not, the SMS is not that cool of a console, anyway. It wouldn't figure on my list.
AB Positive
06-10-2008, 09:25 AM
Yeah, but the funny thing is that, back here, the consoles are still sold legally, under the Sega license, using copyrighted names like "Master System" and "Mega Drive" (although they don't sport the the Sega logo anymore, I guess). You can even buy boxed, brand new six button pads from authorized repair shops, but they are made in ugly colors now, to fit the current products...:(
If they make pink 6-button pads, I want one. Seriously, let me know price and shipping.
-AB+
mailman187666
06-10-2008, 09:58 AM
wow, I don't know what my favorite one is. So I'll just do this:
3DO: definately ahead of its time and has some of the best version of Super SF 2 Turbo, flashback, out of this world, Road Rash, The Need for Speed, Wolfenstien 3D, Wing Commander 3. Not to mention the fun original games it had like Captain Quazar, Killing Time, way of the warrior, Phoenix 3. Some people may not agree with these games, but I love them all.
Saturn: Didn't get the respect it deserved in the US. Great arcade ports, great RPGs, even had a few good FPSs. Definately a shame it didn't take off in the US.
Sega CD: it didn't only have FMV games on it, it had some awesome platformers and fighting games as well. Eternal Champions CD is my fav for Sega CD.
CDI, Jag, Virtual Boy, Turbo Grafx: while I currently own these I'm not as fond of only because I didn't own them when I was younger so I don't have as much of the memories as I did before about it.
thom_m
06-10-2008, 09:59 AM
If they make pink 6-button pads, I want one. Seriously, let me know price and shipping.
ABPositive, I just called my hometown's authorized shop. They told me that TEC TOY is really still making the pads, but they don't come boxed anymore. Instead, they send them on a plastic case (the guy wasn't very clear on this; it might be just some plastic wrapping or something).
He also told that, every time they order the pads, the factory sends only the white ones. As far as I know, the only other avaiable color would be blue, as the ones that come with the Master System.
Anyway, they cost 32 Reais (brazilian currency; 1 US dollar = 1,6257 Reais). I don't know about the shipping costs; I'll check with the national Mail service...
Pantechnicon
06-10-2008, 10:00 AM
On the handheld side it's Lynx.
On the console side I'll go with the Virtual Boy. The general weirdness of the thing is exactly why I love it. People like to rattle off about how it was Nintendo's lowest selling console, as well as how it makes their eyes hurt and blinds children. Well, fine, then, can I have your stuff?
Count me in the Dreamcast camp as well.
cosmicpsycho
06-10-2008, 10:19 AM
I'd have to go with the Turbo Grafx/Duo. Other than the diehard Turbo fans it seems people could care less about this great system.
AB Positive
06-10-2008, 10:22 AM
Hrm... dang. Here I was hoping some wacked out model of genny might go pink, heh.
If you come across one, let me know :)
-AB+
Dreamcast, followed by Sega CD.
BydoEmpire
06-10-2008, 10:45 AM
I've always tended to like the "underdog" console more than the biggest sellers. The Inty was my first console and I loved it, although to be honest, my 2600 gets a lot more play time now. I liked my SMS more than my NES, and I also enjoyed the 7800 quite a bit. My Saturn got more play time than my Playstation, and the Gamecube was my most-played console last generation. The Dreamcast, of course. I finally got a 5200 a couple years ago, and I absolutely love it - definitely gets more love than my Colecovision (which I've had for a while, but not back in the day). I picked up an Atari XE a year ago or so, too, and it's been a great system as well (I had a c64 back in the day, so I missed out on A8 gaming).
As for favorite, I'm going with Dreamcast. I stopped playing a lot of games in the psx/saturn/n64 era, but the Dreamcast got me back into the hobby big time. For classic systems, I'm going to go with the Inty, even though I don't play it a lot these days. There are some really amazing and ahead-of-their-time games.
AB Positive
06-10-2008, 10:51 AM
Awww, I forgot the 5200 in my list... and the O2, can't forget that!
O2 - get one for Pick Axe Pete. Seriously. There are a lot of other good games on the system too but... Pick Axe Pete, man.
5200 - A Supersystem with a fully working joystick and you're in gaming heaven. Qix, Pac-man, and hell - grab Adventure II while you're at it. In fact, I need to do that myself...
-AB+
extra_anchovy
06-10-2008, 10:56 AM
Curiously, the Master System was not an underdog, but a major player in Brazil. It was the first 8-Bit console to be released here, and the only officially supported one for years. The famiclones, and later the NES itself, had a hard time competing against it.
yeah there are heaps of brazil tectoy games aren't there? definately is successful there. same with the CD-i it was very popular in Philips's home country Netherland. but I still consider it an underdog console because it wasn't popular in a major market region like the USA
Dire 51
06-10-2008, 11:00 AM
The 7800, SMS, TG-16 and Saturn here. All great consoles with great games, all usually maligned in the US for some reason or another. Sad.
MrSparkle
06-10-2008, 11:08 AM
hmm this is a tough choice i tend to love underdog consoles.
sega 32 is definitely one of my favorites i still remember getting this thing on christmas and being so excited. i still have my original and still play it quite a bit.
sega cd - Though i never did get the chance to own one as a kid it has some really great games for it, though admittedly is does have a ton of crap fmv games what early cd based game platform didn't.
dreamcast - Poor marketing, bad release time, controller cords on the bottom of the controllers. Yet the awesome and unique games this thing had completely make up for those short comings. also this system had some of the best shooters since the turbografx.
atari jaguar - Another console i never got to own as a kid but one that always amazed me with the stills i saw in the gaming mags of the day. I remember seeing pictures of raiden, and cyber morph and thinking wow this thing looks amazing. And that controller, that thing was damned impressive with its 18 million buttons. having finally got one i can say its much better than i imagined and the software library while small is filled with some really cool games.
retro junkie
06-10-2008, 11:15 AM
Turbo Grafx 16 / Turbo Duo with me. It is my favorite console due to the SHMUPS. And Bonk!
Neo Geo CD would fall into a tie with the Turbo. Love the games on this system.
Portables would have to be Lynx 2 and NGPC.
And the Dreamcast, such a short lifespan. It never had a chance here in the US. It is one thing when third parties quit making games for you, its quite another when your own makers can you.
otaku
06-10-2008, 11:36 AM
NGPC for portables (PSP and gamegear sorta not really..)
Saturn/dreamcast
Neo Geo AES as well. I have no favorite...they're all great well probably the DC the most
Slate
06-10-2008, 12:50 PM
I vote for the Dreamcast and Virtual Boy. The Dreamcast has great games, I mostly remember playing Crazy Taxi and Jet Grind Radio on it. And both of those games have awesome soundtracks. :D
As for the Virtual boy, It was a very interesting system. I don't play it very often but the 3-D Feature made one feel like they were in the game. It was very interesting, As long as you took breaks. Virtual Boy Wario Land, Panic Bomber, And Mario Tennis were all good games. Too bad it was kicked off of the market before it had even been in for a year.
Kevincal
06-10-2008, 12:51 PM
I've been a big Atari Jaguar fan since 1994. I also have always liked the 32X. And also the Virtual Boy. :) All good systems. I hate when people bash them. :(
AB Positive
06-10-2008, 12:58 PM
Virtua Boy = love
It is a great system, depending on whether you're in that unfortunate 10% migraine category. Panic Bomber was a distinct favorite of mine, as well as Galactic Pinball and Nester's Funky Bowling. Wario World was good, Mario Clash is sorta meh. Red Alert? I had fun with it, but I'm an alternate sort of color blind, so the red-on-black scheme almost helped me there. :D
-AB+
Frankie_Says_Relax
06-10-2008, 01:08 PM
PS3
It gets the same type of critical negativity from the gaming public that every Sony system gets, but really, it's undeniably so far ahead of the curve in terms of "what it can do" hardware/software-wise when compared to the PS1 and PS2 that I tend to lend a greater deal of support for this powerhouse underdog.
SMS was bigger than NES in Europe, the underdog here would be NES.
for me:
N-Gage, lovely handheld, 56 mostly excellent games.
Amiga CD32, ok you play the same games on 500 or 1200, but basically the CD32 plays from CD very nicely.
Virtual Boy, never released in Europe, but playing games on it leaves you like...stoned.
Lynx, damn fine machine
AB Positive
06-10-2008, 01:12 PM
PS3
It gets the same type of critical negativity from the gaming public that every Sony system gets, but really, it's undeniably so far ahead of the curve in terms of "what it can do" hardware/software when compared to the PS1 and PS2 that I tend to lend a greater deal of support for this powerhouse underdog.
Maybe we should chat a bit, as I'm totally clueless as to why anyone would want a PS3. I mean, yes it can be a great linux developer box but otherwise... zuh? Admittedly, I have NO idea what's on the system, but I also don't know anything about the 360 but it does have Halo 3 and a new Katamari.
Of course, I'm just waiting for the news (read: never will happen) of a full-on FF7 remake for the PS3. You wanna see a gal go from 'not caring' to 'MUST HAVE' in three seconds? That'll do it.
-AB+
MrSparkle
06-10-2008, 01:34 PM
PS3
It gets the same type of critical negativity from the gaming public that every Sony system gets, but really, it's undeniably so far ahead of the curve in terms of "what it can do" hardware/software-wise when compared to the PS1 and PS2 that I tend to lend a greater deal of support for this powerhouse underdog.
unless sony pulls support for this system within the year im going to have a hard time considering it an underdog. sure sales are a bit on the slow side but the console has a decent shelf life and will be current until at least 2012 by then i expect it will be pretty popular.
7th lutz
06-10-2008, 01:39 PM
Atari 7800
SMS
Dreamcast
Neo Geo Pocket Color
lynx
tg-16
thom_m
06-10-2008, 02:16 PM
but I still consider it an underdog console because it wasn't popular in a major market region like the USA
Yeah, you're right. That's the curious thing about it: even though it's not popular elsewhere, it's still difficult to me to see it as an underdog, 'cause it was so strong here. :)
I read somewhere that the SMS did well in Europe, too.
EDIT:
SMS was bigger than NES in Europe, the underdog here would be NES.
Confirmed. Sorry, I hadn't read tom's post before I wrote that.
darkhades
06-10-2008, 02:20 PM
TG-16
Sega CD
Dreamcast
Frankie_Says_Relax
06-10-2008, 02:29 PM
unless sony pulls support for this system within the year im going to have a hard time considering it an underdog. sure sales are a bit on the slow side but the console has a decent shelf life and will be current until at least 2012 by then i expect it will be pretty popular.
While I absolutely agree with what you're saying ... currently it's an underdog at retail, moving the least amount of hardware and software, and it's got the lowest amount of support within the gaming community.
And since there wasn't any real clear indication of what "underdog" meant (did it mean under-performing sales-wise? did it mean not readily supported by mainstream gamers? hardcore gamers? did it mean not supported in the US but successful elsewhere?) I figured I'd throw my two cents in on it.
squirrelnut
06-10-2008, 02:58 PM
Dreamcast ftl unfortunately.
I will never forget buying that thing on 9/9/99. It was the best day of my life. It was one of the few consoles I actually bought new. It was so cheap at launch and it had about 11 titles to start with. I'll never forget how great it was seeing Sonic run around in full 3d, watching the whale break apart the bridge as I run as fast as I can.
The hours/days I wasted playing House of the Dead. The days I lost to Dynamite! Cop. The killer soundtrack to Demolition Racer:No Exit. Makes me wish I didn't loose my av cables :(
EX-Soldier
06-10-2008, 03:28 PM
the sega saturn will eternally be locked in mortal combat with its older brother the sega dreamcast for my undying everlasting affection...i really cant decide, its like asking which of my children i love most :(
DeputyMoniker
06-10-2008, 03:39 PM
Yeah, but the funny thing is that, back here, the consoles are still sold legally, under the Sega license, using copyrighted names...
We have similar products: (They don't always carry the exact retro name, though.)
Atari Flashback: http://gear.ign.com/articles/573/573583p1.html
Atari Flashback 2: http://www.amazon.com/Atari-26519-Flashback-2-0/dp/B00093DHIK
Another Atari: http://www.amazon.com/Jakks-Atari-Classics-10-Games/dp/B0000645DD/ref=cm_lmf_tit_5_rdsssl0
Intellivision: http://www.intellivisionlives.com/retrotopia/direct2tv.shtml
Intellivision Waste-of-$$: http://www.amazon.com/Intellivision-Complete-Player-Cartidge-System/dp/B000M27GK8/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1213125700&sr=1-4
Colecovision: http://www.amazon.com/Head-Head-Plug-Video-System/dp/B000ER37XQ/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1213126126&sr=1-10
You wanna see a gal go from 'not caring' to 'MUST HAVE' in three seconds?
Awww...you pushed the button. Never push the button, AB.
Well, I guess I'll kick this off...
Are you hot? Do you like NES? Do you have a boyfriend? How is that working out? I do charity work...where I save babies from stuff. I don't like slutty girls. I can tell you aren't slutty. I respect that. Here is my number, call if you ever need anything. I just added you to my friend list. Laterz!!
p.s. I think, maybe, you're the one. Hello? Are you getting my PM's?
I like the A8, of course, underdog compared to Apple ][ and C64
diskoboy
06-10-2008, 04:10 PM
Odyssey 2 - It was the first console I ever got. Even when I got my Atari, my Odyssey got played more, because KC Munchkin blew away VCS Pac-Man.
Sega Master System - I had both the NES and SMS. Even though the game library was small, most of Sega's games had a certain charm to them. Even some of the worst SMS games were still pretty good compared to the worst the NES had to offer.
Atari Jaguar - This console really was Atari's ticket back to the mainstream. As usual, bad management and poor marketing blew that chance out the window.
Sega Saturn - See reply for SMS. Too bad this was a total flop in the US. It had alot of potential. It was just too overpriced.
Sega Dreamcast - Everyone knew the PS2 was on the horizon. This console was doomed before it even launched. But it still has a damn great game library. Those who chose to give the DC a chance never regretted it.
thom_m
06-10-2008, 05:11 PM
We have similar products: (They don't always carry the exact retro name, though.)
Atari Flashback: http://gear.ign.com/articles/573/573583p1.html
Atari Flashback 2: http://www.amazon.com/Atari-26519-Flashback-2-0/dp/B00093DHIK
Another Atari: http://www.amazon.com/Jakks-Atari-Classics-10-Games/dp/B0000645DD/ref=cm_lmf_tit_5_rdsssl0
Intellivision: http://www.intellivisionlives.com/retrotopia/direct2tv.shtml
Intellivision Waste-of-$$: http://www.amazon.com/Intellivision-Complete-Player-Cartidge-System/dp/B000M27GK8/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1213125700&sr=1-4
Colecovision: http://www.amazon.com/Head-Head-Plug-Video-System/dp/B000ER37XQ/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1213126126&sr=1-10
Oh, yeah, I forgot about those. Still, I don't think I made myself clear. The ones you listed are, how can I say...retro themed thingies, right? "Homages" to classic consoles that are long gone.
Here, it's a little different: the SMS and the Mega Drive never left the market at all! They just changed over the years.
Hope I made it this time. Sometimes I just suck at explaining things. Oh, and I really wish Atari Flashbacks were avaiable here. They're really cool - and, as far as I know, it's possible to add a cartridge slot to it...
CosmicMonkey
06-10-2008, 05:26 PM
Maybe we should chat a bit, as I'm totally clueless as to why anyone would want a PS3.
Because it plays Blu Rays, upscales DVDs nicely and streams all my video files over the network. And it's region-free (for PS3 games) so I can play all the new fighters like BlazBlu, KoFXII, Battle Fantasia etc., that'll most probably never get an official UK release.
Back on topic, I'll go for NGPC and Dreamcast. Which was inevitable really.
Frankie_Says_Relax
06-10-2008, 07:09 PM
Maybe we should chat a bit, as I'm totally clueless as to why anyone would want a PS3. I mean, yes it can be a great linux developer box but otherwise... zuh? Admittedly, I have NO idea what's on the system, but I also don't know anything about the 360 but it does have Halo 3 and a new Katamari.
Of course, I'm just waiting for the news (read: never will happen) of a full-on FF7 remake for the PS3. You wanna see a gal go from 'not caring' to 'MUST HAVE' in three seconds? That'll do it.
-AB+
PS3 has some great 1st party software
Much more diverse/data friendly multimedia capabilities than the other two current gen consoles
Excellent backwards compatability with PS2 (20/60/80 Gig models) and PS1 (all PS3s) games
A robust web browser that displays in 1080, awesome PSP connectivity (access and stream the audio/video contents of your PS3 from any WiFi access point in the world, and even play a growing number of proprietary games or ANY PS1 disc in the drive remotely)
Standard SATA Hard Drive bay
Built in WiFi
Built in BluRay
Built in HDMI out
...I could go on, but I think I'll just wait till sombody calls me a "Sony Fanboy" without looking at my Wii or XBLA tags.
DeputyMoniker
06-10-2008, 08:16 PM
Oh, yeah, I forgot about those. Still, I don't think I made myself clear. The ones you listed are, how can I say...retro themed thingies, right? "Homages" to classic consoles that are long gone.
Here, it's a little different: the SMS and the Mega Drive never left the market at all! They just changed over the years.
Hope I made it this time. Sometimes I just suck at explaining things. Oh, and I really wish Atari Flashbacks were avaiable here. They're really cool - and, as far as I know, it's possible to add a cartridge slot to it...
I understand. I guess it's just a concept I have a hard time wrapping my head around.
modest9797
06-10-2008, 09:43 PM
Intellivision. Not sure if it counts but it is alot of fun.
Trevelyan
06-10-2008, 10:22 PM
That I've played, Dreamcast
That I've not played, chiefly because they were a underdog
Neo Geo
Turbografix 16
Sega Saturn
all look like they'd be really good fun & have some worthwhile games
DeputyMoniker
06-10-2008, 10:49 PM
That I've played, Dreamcast
That I've not played, chiefly because they were a underdog
Neo Geo
Turbografix 16
Sega Saturn
all look like they'd be really good fun & have some worthwhile games
Was the Neo Geo an underdog? It was certainly the most successful system in its price category. Neo Geo CD was definitely an underdog.
Trevelyan
06-10-2008, 11:15 PM
Well I think you're right, but I'd love a CD version too & this surely was an underdog & here in Europe also. I don't know about the cartridge versions release tbh, wiki's a bit vague about it. I'm not sure how many they sold or at what price in the UK where I live? Did it even get a release?
Im not at all familiar with the console, but I do wish it had been more of a market success over here in the UK & there were more of both systems etc
retro junkie
06-11-2008, 11:36 AM
Was the Neo Geo an underdog? It was certainly the most successful system in its price category. Neo Geo CD was definitely an underdog.
Yes, you are right! The Neo Geo had a long life span of 14 years. The only gaming console that was longer was the Atari 2600, which was 15 years. The Neo Geo CD on the other hand really only lasted a few years. I'm not quite sure, but I am thinking 4 maybe 5 years. And it did not sell very well due to lack of marketing and long load times. It was very unpopular at the time. Everyone had their eyes on the shiny newcomer in the gaming world at the time, which was Sony's Playstation. Yes, the Neo Geo CD was definitely the underdog of SNK's hardware ventures.
AB Positive
06-11-2008, 12:03 PM
Yes, you are right! The Neo Geo had a long life span of 14 years. The only gaming console that was longer was the Atari 2600, which was 15 years. The Neo Geo CD on the other hand really only lasted a few years. I'm not quite sure, but I am thinking 4 maybe 5 years. And it did not sell very well due to lack of marketing and long load times. It was very unpopular at the time. Everyone had their eyes on the shiny newcomer in the gaming world at the time, which was Sony's Playstation. Yes, the Neo Geo CD was definitely the underdog of SNK's hardware ventures.
It's a tossup between the CD and Pocket to me, yes the CD had more knocks against it hardware-wise... and the NGPC may be appreciated now... but come on. NGPC in the US versus... the game boy advance?
NGPC wasn't an underdog, it just didn't have a chance :D
Although the prevailing MVS/AES not being an underdog argument seems to be pretty valid now that I think of it. For it's price point, it easily is top dog compared to Jaguar, 3D0 and CD-i.
*shudders* CD-i...
AllSchoolGamer
06-11-2008, 01:09 PM
Most certainly theDREAMCAST. It was so under advertised here in Australia the I heard about it from word of mouth, but it had the greatest games and functionality, not to mention the most comfortable controls ever devised. *sigh* I still have mine that i bought from the shops...though that was unfortunatly at the end of its run here in Australia, so i missed out on a lot of games which I am slowely making up for.
DeputyMoniker
06-11-2008, 08:18 PM
*shudders* CD-i...
Shh! Captain J may hear you!
Hey, where has Captain J been?
SpaceHarrier
06-11-2008, 08:38 PM
Dreamcast ftl unfortunately.
I will never forget buying that thing on 9/9/99. It was the best day of my life. (
Me too. Even got the t-shirt with the swirl on it. So, I second/third/whatever the Dreamcast.
Also, Lynx 2 for handheld. Though I could see the resolution lines burned into my retina for hours after playing that thing. I could never get the brightness just where I want it.
Tron 2.0
06-11-2008, 10:08 PM
Sega Saturn (Poor suport in the u.s)
Turbografx 16 (Same as above)
NeoGeo (Great with fighters and other kind of games to bad it's price tag hurt)
Dreamcast (It should have turn sega around but it didn't)
Gamecube (Most good games on it were nintendo own frist party to bad it wasn't enough)
That's all that comes to mind for me.
williewonka2k1
06-11-2008, 10:38 PM
Sega CD - Snatcher, Lunar 1 and 2, Popful Mail, Vay, Secret of Monkey Island, Sonic CD ETC!!
figment1988
06-11-2008, 10:39 PM
Dreamcast. 'nuff said (including that it plays Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 without frameskip issues)
Captain Wrong
06-12-2008, 12:55 AM
Arcadia 2001, not because I think it is a great console, but because I think the history (and mystery) of how and why it came to market is truly fascinating. Ahh, I can still remember being on the listserv when Ward Shrake was piecing together the puzzle of this oddball console.
Content wise, I'd have to go with the people's choice, the Dreamcast. It's been interesting, and a little frustrating, to see the print media (well, those that survived) who either dismissed or dumped on the DC when it was out now hailing it as a classic. Yeah, maybe you could have encouraged more people to buy one at the time rather than encouraging everyone to wait for the PS2.
Press_Start
06-12-2008, 02:08 AM
Turbo-grafx 16/CD/Duo/PCE--When 70% of your game library is essential pure fun, great games, how can ya not? Also one of the first systems to go CD with great cinematics for its time. Too bad NEC horrible advertisement campaign and Nintendo's third party exclusive clause, Turbo-grafx didn't get the support it should have gotten.
Sega CD/Saturn--A toss up on this one as both provide great RPGs with gorgeous anime cinema in the mid 90's. (e.g. Magic Knight Rayearth, Panzer Dragoon 2 Zwei, Lunar 1 &2, Popful Mail, Snatcher, etc.) The Sega CD did demonstrate in the mainstream that the CD was the next evolutionary step in examplifying true 3-D graphics at the time with game like Silpheed and A/X 101. Just like the Turbo-grafx, they too suffered from poor advertisement and mismanagement at the hands of their own creators.
retro junkie
06-12-2008, 02:54 AM
Me too. Even got the t-shirt with the swirl on it. So, I second/third/whatever the Dreamcast.
Hey I still wear my t-shirt with the swirl. Had someone at Walmart comment on it recently. It has Rayman on it too. :rocker:
Guru of Time and Space
06-12-2008, 03:24 AM
What about would-be, stillborn underdogs?
Indrema, I'm looking at you.
-GoTaS
*shudders* CD-i...
CDi is (was) never sold as a gaming console.