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Mayhem
06-13-2008, 06:52 AM
Dropped in my inbox this morning... this one is... well, actually not too bad, but I'm sure it is open to abuse still heh... like sellers "forcing" buyers to pay the fees?


We would like to let you know of an important announcement affecting all PayPal account holders in the UK.

Effective from 9 July 2008, PayPal will change its fee structure to make it more attractive for our UK customers to send personal payments. We are pleased to announce that:

PayPal will not charge a recipient (regardless of their account type) of a PayPal payment if that payment was funded by the sender's bank account or PayPal balance and it is designated a Personal Payment

PayPal will apply a fee for payments received for Personal Payments or Commercial Payments if such a payment is funded by a credit or debit card, however for Personal Payments funded by a card, the sender will have the option of paying the fees for that payment

Also, PayPal will no longer require its customers to upgrade from a Personal Account to a Premier or Business Account once it has received a total of £250

Consequently the following amendments to the PayPal User Agreement will be applicable for UK customers:

Clause 8 will be amended (where relevant) to provide that:

Receiving Personal Payments which are also Balance/Bank Funded Payments will be free

Receiving Personal Payments and/or Commercial Payments which are also Card Funded Payments will be charged at these standard rates:

3.4% + Fixed Fee For each domestic payment transaction.
3.9% + Fixed Fee For each cross border payment transaction

Merchant Rates

(based on monthly transaction volume & one-off application)
1.4% - 2.9% + Fixed Fee For each domestic payment transaction
1.9% - 3.9% + Fixed Fee For each cross border payment transaction

The monthly volume tiers applicable to these Merchant rates are further described in the Fees section accessible from every page of the PayPal Website.

The Fixed Fee will be (depending on the payment currency):

£0.20 GBP ¥40.0 JPY 1.35 PLN
€0.35 EUR $0.40 AUD 90.0 HUF
$0.30 USD 0.55 CHF 10.00 CZK
$0.30 CAD 2.80 NOK $0.50 SGD
$4.00 MXN 3.25 SEK $2.35 HKD
1.20 ILS 2.60 DKK $0.45 NZD

UK registered Users who receive payments in Euros from other European User countries will receive a 0.5% reduction in the variable amount of the applicable cross border fee.

The sender of a Personal Payment which is also a Card Funded Payment may choose to pay the Fee applicable to that payment.

Clause 15 will include the following new definitions:

"Commercial Payment" means a payment which is not a Personal Payment (including, without limitation a payment associated with an eBay item and/or other goods or services).

"Personal Payment" means a payment made for the purpose of either your personal, family and/or household affairs.

Clauses 4.1, 4.2, 4.4(c), 4.9 will no longer apply to UK customers.

No action is required on your part and you will be able to continue using PayPal with no changes.

Yours sincerely,

PayPal

ryborg
06-13-2008, 02:35 PM
Argh, I can't read. See Vroom's comment below

Vroomfunkel
06-13-2008, 03:37 PM
"Commercial Payment" means a payment which is not a Personal Payment (including, without limitation a payment associated with an eBay item and/or other goods or services).

"Personal Payment" means a payment made for the purpose of either your personal, family and/or household affairs.


Just thought I would pick that particular bit out for you, to avoid any confusion. This change applies only to "personal payments", not "commercial payments". On the basis of the definition above, this means the change does not apply to any ebay related payments whatsoever.

It is most likely in response to the recent change in the UK banking system allowing fast bank transfers - Paypal want to position themselves as the carrier of choice for making net-based money transactions - if they can't compete with bank transfers, then they will never achieve that.

Mayhem
06-13-2008, 06:22 PM
I'm waiting for people to have buyers pay them to another account not linked to their eBay profile though... that's another point I forgot to make...

Vroomfunkel
06-14-2008, 09:56 AM
It's possible .. but how many eBay sellers are going to try that, and risk having all their Paypal & eBay accounts screwed over if they get caught out?

carlcarlson
06-14-2008, 10:48 AM
I would guess quite a few. The thought of not having to pay paypal fees any more is pretty nice. Of course that makes for an extra step of hassle, and any smart buyers will refuse. But yeah, I'm guessing this will bring about quite a bit of abuse on the parts of sellers trying to save money.

Kitsune Sniper
06-14-2008, 02:34 PM
I got something similar yesterday, but it's not the same thing.

I -also- got an alert from eBay saying that I have to call them if I try to sign on from a computer that isn't my own or something. What freakin' bullshit.

Mayhem
06-14-2008, 07:34 PM
Yeah not seen that one yet myself, but I've heard a few other people have had it. Apparently if you page back and try again, it may not come up... it's a test use at the moment.

Cornelius
06-15-2008, 11:32 AM
I'm waiting for people to have buyers pay them to another account not linked to their eBay profile though... that's another point I forgot to make...

Well, sellers could do the same thing now. Personal accounts are fee free if it is a balance or instant bank transfer.

Mayhem
06-15-2008, 02:12 PM
But now they've removed the amount limit (before you are forced to upgrade), it makes a lot more attractive...

ryborg
06-15-2008, 03:23 PM
Yeah, the US personal limit is $250/month, which is a pathetically low amount. Also, all it took was one idiot to mistakenly pay with a credit card to your personal account, and your account is automatically upgraded to a premier or whatever it's called.

I used to offer a small total item price discount if a buyer sent cash/balance transfer/e-check to my personal account, but too many people didn't read the directions and mis-paid.

Cornelius
06-15-2008, 03:50 PM
But now they've removed the amount limit (before you are forced to upgrade), it makes a lot more attractive...
Ah, I missed the importance of this since I do a pathetically low amount of sales. <sob>