Top 20 (Best) U.S. Saturn Games. (2008) - Round 1: Over - Please Lock.

[DeputyMoniker]

Head over to the new thread and discuss the nominees. :)
New Thread: http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119520



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Opinions change over time. Some games remain in the top 20, regardless the year you take a poll. Other games just don't age well enough to make the cut anymore. I located DP's Official Top 20 Saturn Games. (2002) thread and I think it is time we see if opinions have changed. Throw your suggestions in this thread, and on July 18th, I will create a new poll so we can, together, determine the best of the best! DP's polling options won't facilitate such a large poll so I will host the final poll elsewhere. That gives us a month, so do your research and play your games! There is no rush.

RULES:
1: All games from the 2002 list will be on the 2008 poll.
2: Three votes adds a game to the poll. If a game isn't good enough to get three votes...then it probably doesn't belong on the list.
3: Only U.S. released games qualify. No prototypes or imports.
4: Any number of games may be on our poll.





1. Astal
2. Dragon Force
3. Fighters Megamix
4. Guardian Heroes
5. House of the Dead, The
6. Magic Knight Rayearth
7. Nights
8. NightWarriors
9. Panzer Dragoon Saga
10. Panzer Dragoon Zwei
11. Saturn Bomberman
12. Sega Rally Championship
13. Shining Force III
14. Shining the Holy Ark
15. Sonic 3D Blast
16. Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo
17. Virtua Cop 2
18. Virtua Fighter 2
19. Virtual On
20. Winter Heat

[Garry Silljo]

I'd nominate "3 Dirty Dwarfs" off the top of my head. Probably more later on when I have more time to think.

[ShinobiMan]

I'd nominate "3 Dirty Dwarfs" off the top of my head.

I will second "Three Dirty Dwarfs". Fantastic game that I'm surprised to not see on this list.

I would like to nominate "Clockwork Night" and "Burning Rangers" also. How these two Saturn classics could escape a top twenty list is beyond me!

[bb_hood]

Darius Gaiden has to be up there. Ill nominate that!

[Superman]

I'll put a vote in for Darius Gaiden.

[Icarus Moonsight]

I'll second Clockwork Knight and Burning Rangers!

Have to add Panzer Dragoon. How the hell it wasn't on the original list is beyond my understanding. Winter Heat huh? Srsly? :shameful:

[j_factor]

GunGriffon
Galactic Attack
Shinobi Legions
Herc's Adventures
Tempest 2000

[LifeGame]

Darius Gaiden no doubt for me!

[MF_Luder]

I'll second Clockwork Knight and Burning Rangers!

Have to add Panzer Dragoon. How the hell it wasn't on the original list is beyond my understanding. Winter Heat huh? Srsly? :shameful:



Winter Heat is a classic in the same league as Konami's Track & Field series, and one of the best multi-player games for the system. If anything, Sonic 3D Blast needs to make its way off that list. I will second Panzer Dragoon though, and also Burning Rangers.


The GREATEST travesty though is... how the hell did Mr Bones not make the original list???? Let's get that one up on there.

Street Fighter Collection and Sonic Jam were also good, but might miss the list because they were compilations of older games. Mass Destruction is a personal favorite of mine as well, but probably not worthy of cracking the Top 20.



For those curious, EGM did it's own Top 10 Saturn games in its 1999 Video Game Buyer's Guide. The countdown was as follows:

10. Guardian Heroes
9. Virtua Fighter 2
8. Sega Rally
7. NiGHTS
6. Winter Heat
5. Dragon Force
4. Saturn Bomberman
3. Street Fighter Collection
2. Shining Force III
1. Panzer Dragoon Saga

[Steven]

No top 20 Saturn US list is complete without Street Fighter Collection. (SFA 2, SSF2 and SSF2 Turbo).

I also nominate Galactic Attack.

And I can't believe House of the Dead is on there. A game like Baku Baku Animal, Bust-A-Move 2 or even Pandemonium! is far more deserving than HotD IMHO. Don't get me wrong, Saturn port while UGLY it played OK, but TOP 20? Farce. PowerSlave (or any of the Lobotomy trilogy) deserves more recognition.

Hell, Sonic 3D Blast should be automatically replaced with Sonic Jam, compilation or not.

/mini-rant :p

[mailman187666]

my favorite 3 are

Guardian Heroes
Panzer Saga
Puzzle Fighter

always always always fun to play

[Garry Silljo]

Shinobi Legions


Seconded.

[JunkTheMagicDragon]

how can street fighter: the movie: the game not be on that list?

seriously, it's one of the most unintentionally hilarious ways to spend a drunken saturday night with friends.

[gameofyou]

Powerslave, Burning Rangers, and Steep Slope Sliders should be in there. I also agree that HOTD should probably not be in the top 20.

[le geek]

Burning Rangers
Galactic Attack
Grid Runner
In the Hunt

[AB Positive]

*has flashbacks to DP's Top 100 All time*

...

*shoots self*


Anyway - consider this a nomination for both Grid Runner and Clockwork Knight... how'd we miss those back then?

[dao2]

no one else likes daytona usa :(?

[TonyTheTiger]

Do the games have to be Saturn exclusive? I'm guessing no since Sonic 3D Blast is up there.

I vote Mega Man X4. A great game.

[Sudo]

Three Dirty Dwarves
Clockwork Knight
Blazing Dragons

[Gapporin]

I'll throw in votes for Darius Gaiden and Tempest 2000.

I'll also say that NiGHTS should be taken off the list, but I suppose I'll probably be the only one supporting that endeavor. :p

[GnawRadar]

I vote for:
Darius Gaiden
Minnesota Fats: Pool Legend - This game may have the worst but funniest in game movies in video game history, but it is a very fun and hard billiard game.

[Steven]

I vote for:
Darius Gaiden
Minnesota Fats: Pool Legend - This game may have the worst but funniest in game movies in video game history, but it is a very fun and hard billiard game.


Heh, I enjoyed MFPL too, but we're talking a top 20 best, not top 20 favorite. I think it's a good game in its own right, but to call it one of the 20 best Saturn US games would be doing a disservice to more deserving games.

[j_factor]

I second/third Street Fighter Collection, Mr. Bones, and PowerSlave.

[DeputyMoniker]

how can street fighter: the movie: the game not be on that list?

seriously, it's one of the most unintentionally hilarious ways to spend a drunken saturday night with friends.

I remember playing that on the PS1. Absolute. Total. Crap.

[SpaceHarrier]

Panzer Dragoon (original)
Darius Gaiden

[Damaramu]

Another vote for:

Shinobi Legions
Gungriffon
Darius Gaiden
Street Fighter Collection
Three Dirty Dwarves
Burning Rangers

And I'd like to add:

Duke Nukem 3D

[gameofyou]

Yes, Gungriffon. Good call. That is an excellent game.

[RickHarrisMaine]

Shinobi Legions
Virtua Cop
Sega Rally Championship (awesome with the arcade wheel)
Panzer Dragoon
Darius Gaiden


few more I want to try, but haven't, but look amazing, like Astal, Wing Arms looks pretty good too.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Well, Virtual On is on the list ...

... no votes for Myst? LOL

[DeputyMoniker]

I've been playing the Japanese Strikers 1945 and I think it is awesome. I've been wondering why nobody here has mentioned it. I would have said it myself...but after having a Saturn for less than a week, I don't think I'm qualified to say what the best games are. It's a shame we didn't get it here. I think people would have liked it. I see we got it on the Playstation but they were a different crowd.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Albert Odyssey, yes, it was a SFC port but, it was really good and the only way we got the game here. :)

Is Christmas NiGHTs DQ'ed for not being a retail box release? If not perhaps it may be considered for inclusion.

[TonyTheTiger]

Albert Odyssey, yes, it was a SFC port but, it was really good and the only way we got the game here. :)

Was it? I was under the impression that Legend of Eldean was actually a "gaiden." Meaning not a port of either SFC game but a different one entirely. Overall, I found it entertaining solely thanks to the personality Working Designs gave it. Without that aspect it's pretty unremarkable.

Also, beyond Mega Man X4, I also give a vote for Street Fighter Alpha 2.

[Wraith Storm]

Was it? I was under the impression that Legend of Eldean was actually a "gaiden." Meaning not a port of either SFC game but a different one entirely.

You are correct. Albert Odyssey 1 and 2 on the SNES were strategy games. The Albert Odyssey on the Saturn was a traditional RPG. It was not a port.


Overall, I found it entertaining solely thanks to the personality Working Designs gave it. Without that aspect it's pretty unremarkable.

Agreed! IMO it was Working Designs greatest translation. But even without the WD translation there is no denying the landmard music score by Naoki Kodaka. Easily one of the greatest video game sound tracks ever produced IMO!

[Wraith Storm]

I had many nominations, but believe it or not I limited my choices. Here they are and a little bit of info on why I nominated them.

Gun Griffon (How the HELL is this not on there?)
Sonic R (How the HELL is this not on there either?)
Albert Odyssey (Working Designs most charming and enjoyable translation)
Daytona USA (Original! Not CCE, it had crappy remixed music and played differently.)
Scorcher (Equal amounts of tech demo, fun and frustration!)
Burning Rangers (Very original concept. Great follow up after Nights.)
Enemy Zero (FPS\Myst\D hybrid. One of a kind, like the WARP company it's self.)
Sonic Jam (We have 3D Blast and not Jam? What gives?)
Baku Baku (Original fun puzzle game)
Diehard Arcade (One of the last great beatem ups!)
Quake (The best Quake port and who can forget Dank and Skuz!?)
Duke Nukem' 3D (The best DN3D port and has Death Tank Zwei!!!)
Darius Gaiden (One of the best Darius games IMO)
Clockwork Knight 2 (One-upped the original in EVERY aspect!)
Mystaria\Blazing Heroes (Played as good if not better than the Shining Force series.)

[Mr Mort]

I baught my first Saturn a month after the surprise launch, I paid out the nose for it at the time, but it was worth every penny. The Saturn is still my favourite console of all-time.

Guardian Heroes
Night Warriors
Panzer Dragoon II Zwei
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Sega Rally
Street Fighter Collection

Those 6 easily are among the best domestic releases IMHO.

[DeputyMoniker]

I baught my first Saturn a month after the surprise launch, I paid out the nose for it at the time, but it was worth every penny. The Saturn is still my favourite console of all-time.

Guardian Heroes
Night Warriors
Panzer Dragoon II Zwei
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Sega Rally
Street Fighter Collection

Those 6 easily are among the best domestic releases IMHO.

Those are your votes, right?

[Icarus Moonsight]

Opps. Thanks for the correction there. Never played the SFC games though I do know of them. Another assumption backfires. Let this be a lesson to not only me but, y'all as well. LOL

Which Darkstalkers games were released in the US on the Saturn? Was it just Night Warriors? I know we didn't get Vampire Savior or 2... or did we? Ack. Brain-ache! :o

[Tron 2.0]

Which Darkstalkers games were released in the US on the Saturn? Was it just Night Warriors? I know we didn't get Vampire Savior or 2... or did we? Ack. Brain-ache! :o
Just Nightwarriors was released in the u.s for the saturn.

Far as the darkstalkers serise go's and it's a good port.

Though these days i play,Vampire Savior more then Nightwarriors on the saturn.

[digitalpress]

Probably has already been pointed out but this has already been done.

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1509

[MF_Luder]

Where's the love for Mr Bones?? Is it that most people just haven't played the game, or is it just not that well liked? I think it just oozes with more personality and originality than 95% of the games that were coming out in the 32-bit era.

[DeputyMoniker]

Probably has already been pointed out but this has already been done.

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1509

I talk about that in the OP.

[Ed Oscuro]

Hilariously skimpy on shooter games here.

Darius Gaiden definitely needs to be in...other than that, I'm really not so Saturn-saavy (at least outside of the mostly JP-exclusive games I care about) that I'd give it a vote, but jus' sayin'.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Battle Bakkraid, (Do) Don Pachi, Soukyugarentai (I lubs) and the venerable Radiant Silvergun, of course. :) All JP or EU though. No US releases there.

How about Galactic Attack (aka Layer Section)? It's a US release. Series origin for Ray Storm/Crisis to boot. ;)

[ssjlance]

Street Fighter: The Movie was a good game. Or at least the Saturn version was. It's not spectacular, but it's easy to track down and great for satisfying a Street Fighter urge.

[Keir]

Where's the love for Mr Bones?? Is it that most people just haven't played the game, or is it just not that well liked? I think it just oozes with more personality and originality than 95% of the games that were coming out in the 32-bit era.I'll third Mr. Bones if it hasn't been thirded already.

Also, a second vote for Baku Baku.

[grolt]

That original poll was interesting. I had no idea that ASTAL got all the love. It's a great game, but better than NiGHTS, PDS, FIGHTERS MEGAMIX?

Here are ones I definitely think should be on the poll:

Mr. Bones [the most diverse gameplay I've seen in a platformer, great character too]
The Legend of Oasis [awesome action RPG, where's the love!?]
Bug! [still not another game like it!]
Clockwork Knight 2 [another inventive early Sega platformer]
Powerslave [the best FPS of the 32-bit era]
Winning Post [awesome rare sim]
Fighting Vipers [great control and a solid spin on the fighting genre]
Virtua Fighter [I still prefer the speed and control to VF2]
Virtua Cop [better levels than VC2]
Rayman [beautifully drawn and creative in the Astal vein]
Duke Nukem 3D [best version of the game, great NetLink play]
Die Hard Arcade [a fresh take on the beat'em up with good graphics]
Burning Rangers [another totally unique game with some groundbreaking graphics]
Baku Baku [fun puzzle game with a nice twist on your standard Tetris]
Sonic R [very deep racer, the best graphics on the system and music that owns you]

[PentiumMMX]

I'd like to nominate Bust-A-Move 3 (Better than 2 IMO, and is currently my most-played Saturn game)

[Tron 2.0]

Thought about here's what i think.

1.Nights
3.Guardian Heroes
4.Dragon Force
5.Darius Gaiden
6.Galactic Attack
7.Legend of Oasis
8.Sega Rally
9.Saturn Bomberman
10.Duke Nukem 3d (Fun that it suported the netlink)
11.VF2
12.Nightwarriors
13.Enemy Zero
14.Mega Man 8 (Sure is better then the PS1 version)
15.Panzer Dragoon Saga
16.Magic Knight Rayearth
17.Street Fighter Collection
18.VC2
19.Burning Rangers
20.Albert Odyssey

[Tony Lama]

Has anyone mentioned DARK LEGEND by Data East yet? That game is my FAVORITE Saturn game ever!

I also like X-MEN: CHILDREN OF THE ATOM and LUNACY! These two titles get my vote as well!

SEGA AGES is also a worthy mention. Not sure if that title counts because it's a compilation. Best ports of OUTRUN, AFTERBURNER 2, and SPACE HARRIER on any console!

[dr101z]

Street Fighter Collection and Sonic Jam were also good, but might miss the list because they were compilations of older games. Mass Destruction is a personal favorite of mine as well, but probably not worthy of cracking the Top 20.



Thank you! I'm glad someone else likes Mass Destruction as well. I still fire that up on my Saturn about once a month.

[DeputyMoniker]

9 days to go.

[charlie-butters]

Well im assumeing here cause i havent actualy looked theough the us list properly. but if it came out in Australia then it must of made it to the U.s right?

In no paticular order:

Street Fighter Alpha 2
NiGHTS
Mr Bones
Burning Rangers
Sega Rally
Die Hard Arcade

couldnt limit it down any more sorry.

[DeputyMoniker]

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At this point, we have 15 games to add to the poll. Remember, it takes three votes to add one to the Top 20 poll so keep the votes comin' for 8 more days.
Here are the new contenders...these guys will face the champs in our final poll!
EDIT: To clarify...these games are going to be on the poll. So vote on the other games you want to add to the poll. We have 8 days left for you to put your votes in.

Albert Odyssey
Baku Baku
Burning Rangers
Clockwork Knight
Darius Gaiden
Die Hard Arcade
Duke Nukem 3D
Galactic Attack
Gun Griffon
mr. Bones
Panzer Dragoon
Powerslave
Shinobi Legions
Street Fighter Collection
Three Dirty Dwarves


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[swlovinist]

I vote for the following:

Albert Odyssey
Burning Rangers
Darius Gaiden
Die Hard Arcade
Galactic Attack
mr. Bones
Panzer Dragoon
Shinobi Legions
Street Fighter Collection
Three Dirty Dwarves

[DeputyMoniker]

I vote for the following:

Albert Odyssey
Burning Rangers
Darius Gaiden
Die Hard Arcade
Galactic Attack
mr. Bones
Panzer Dragoon
Shinobi Legions
Street Fighter Collection
Three Dirty Dwarves

Those games don't need votes. They're on the list.

[Garry Silljo]

I vote for the following:

Albert Odyssey
Burning Rangers
Darius Gaiden
Die Hard Arcade
Galactic Attack
mr. Bones
Panzer Dragoon
Shinobi Legions
Street Fighter Collection
Three Dirty Dwarves

Seconded

[DeputyMoniker]

Seconded

Welcome to Illiterate Anonymous.

[Garry Silljo]

Welcome to Illiterate Anonymous.

At least I can tell when a person is kidding.

[DeputyMoniker]

At least I can tell when a person is kidding.

Seconded.

[Garry Silljo]

I tip my hat good sir.

[grolt]

That was a quick battle of wits, and you both emerged victorious.

Now please both vote for THE LEGEND OF OASIS. :D

[Garry Silljo]

That was a quick battle of wits, and you both emerged victorious.

Now please both vote for THE LEGEND OF OASIS. :D

I can go along with that. Legend of Oasis was sweet.... I'm actually starting to get a jones for that right now.... thanks for the inspiration, I've got a game to play.

[Jisho23]

Am I the only one who finds it hard to nominate non-imports for the Sega Saturn? The orignal list has every American release I have for the bloody system which says how few I have.

[charlie-butters]

Am I the only one who finds it hard to nominate non-imports for the Sega Saturn? The orignal list has every American release I have for the bloody system which says how few I have.

no doubt the imports are wat give the Saturn the extra..edge.
but the american releases are a good platform (excuse the pun) to start from.

[DeputyMoniker]

Four days left. If you think anything else should be added to the poll, this is the time to say it.

[t2kd2k]

Virtua Cop (SEGA; 81026 w/Stunner)
--- I, too, think this game has better levels than VC2.
Sega Ages [3in1 - Space Harrier, OutRun, After Burner II]
(SPAZ/WORKING DESIGNS; T-12707H)
--- Very very near arcade perfect OutRun is here!
Tempest 2000 (INTERPLAY; T-12516H)
--- Jag T2K wins, but still has great BGMs and game play

Of course I cannot drop must-have titles
Sega Rally Championship (SEGA; 81207)
Virtua Fighter 2 (SEGA; 81014)

Another I'd like to vote for (but sorry I don't have US version)
Galactic Attack
--- One of the best shoot'em up for Saturn
Last Gladiators
--- IMO, best pinball sim for US Saturn.
Japan only Necronomicon is better, though.
Area 51
--- Another very good lightgun shooter
Fighters Megamix
Panzer Dragoon Zwei

[DeputyMoniker]

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Three more games added to the poll:

Legend of Oasis, The
Virtua Cop
Tempest 2000

2008's Top 20 (Best) U.S. Saturn Games poll will be up soon!!
We have a total of 38 games and here is what the poll will look like: (Don't vote here...)

Albert Odyssey
Astal
Baku Baku
Burning Rangers
Clockwork Knight
Darius Gaiden
Die Hard Arcade
Dragon Force
Duke Nukem 3D
Fighters Megamix
Galactic Attack
Guardian Heroes
Gun Griffon
House of the Dead, The
Legend of Oasis, The
Magic Knight Rayearth
mr. Bones
NightWarriors
Nights
Panzer Dragoon
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Panzer Dragoon Zwei
Powerslave
Saturn Bomberman
Sega Rally Championship
Shining Force III
Shining the Holy Ark
Shinobi Legions
Sonic 3D Blast
Street Fighter Collection
Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo
Tempest 2000
Three Dirty Dwarves
Virtua Cop
Virtua Cop 2
Virtua Fighter 2
Virtual On
Winter Heat

We still have to narrow it down to the Top 20 so don't get too comfy!
Now head over to the new thread and discuss the nominees. :)
New Thread: http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119520



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