N64 Sin And Punishment

[zektor]

Ok, so I bought Sin and Punishment on Ebay for the N64 (import) based on the thoughts and reviews from some members here, and that I am a big Treasure fan. I just got ahold of Bangai-O for the N64, and while I think the DC version might be slightly better, this game still really kicks ass! So how is this Sin and Punishment game? I hear it is sort of like Cabal or Space Harrier. How are the graphics and sound? Even more important, how is the gameplay and controls? I'd like to hear some about the game before it arrives :)

BTW: I have been looking for more info on Bangai-O on the net (for the n64) and I find very little on it. It's pretty easy to play the game even tho it is a Japanese import, but is there any place I can find a translation of the options menus?

[maxlords]

It's a lot like Panzer Dragoon IMO. Great game. If you DO end up hating it....I have a friend that needs a spare. Also, out of curiosity, what did you pay for it? I got mine for $25 mint complete, but I've seen it going for as high as $75 lately!

And..if you don't love Bangai-o for N64, I'd take it off your hands :D

[Kid Fenris]

Just imagine a game that takes a Cabal-like perspective and turns it inside out from every possible angle. In Sin and Punishment, you'll find forward-scrolling levels similar to Panzer Dragoon, side-view stages, boss encounters that resemble old-school shooters, and one level where you ride a piece of an aircraft carrier across the waters. It's an amazing game.

And because it's an amazing Treasure game, there won't be a sequel. Darn.

[Captain Wrong]

I have nothing to add, except those are some nice finds. I kept holding out on Sin and Punishment b/c it seemed like a US release was just around the corner...last time I make that mistake.

[maxlords]

I have nothing to add, except those are some nice finds. I kept holding out on Sin and Punishment b/c it seemed like a US release was just around the corner...last time I make that mistake.


It WAS right around the corner...but NOA said no, we don't want it here. They were SO close to a US release. Hell, most all of the game is in English with Japanese subs! :D

[WiseSalesman]

I kept holding out on Sin and Punishment b/c it seemed like a US release was just around the corner...last time I make that mistake

Ditto. And now I can't find it for any sort of decent price at all. Unless I get lucky, you can probably add this as number three on the list of treasure games I will never own, preceded by Radiant Silvergun and Alien Soldier.

[maxlords]

I kept holding out on Sin and Punishment b/c it seemed like a US release was just around the corner...last time I make that mistake

Ditto. And now I can't find it for any sort of decent price at all. Unless I get lucky, you can probably add this as number three on the list of treasure games I will never own, preceded by Radiant Silvergun and Alien Soldier.

Alien Soldier is actually not THAT spendy in Europe I'm told....but then, I DID pay $105 for mine, and another $35 for the convertor to play it.... x_x

[zektor]

Well, I paid $75 for Bangai-O boxed complete with a N64 adapter to play it as well. For Sin and Punishment boxed complete I paid $55. You can probably get it cheaper, but I used a BIN on it from a seller right in the USA (same with Bangai-O) and it's just easier, cheaper and quicker to get the game this way in my opinion...as opposed to winning it from a Japanese seller. All in all, I'm pretty happy with the purchase. $55 is what I would have spent for the game had it come to the US anyway!

[zektor]

It's a lot like Panzer Dragoon IMO. Great game. If you DO end up hating it....I have a friend that needs a spare. Also, out of curiosity, what did you pay for it? I got mine for $25 mint complete, but I've seen it going for as high as $75 lately!

And..if you don't love Bangai-o for N64, I'd take it off your hands :D

Nah, I'll keep Bangai-O. I love this game :) I have always been a fan of shooters, and this one is just awesome. YOu can still get it however, there are two on ebay as I speak!

[WiseSalesman]

Well, I paid $75 for Bangai-O boxed complete with a N64 adapter to play it as well.

What kind of adapter? I was under the impression that any modifications needed to play japanese games on a us N64 could be performed with a soldering iron or pair of pliers (http://www.gamesx.com/importmod/n64con.htm) without even opening the case.

[zektor]

Well, I paid $75 for Bangai-O boxed complete with a N64 adapter to play it as well.

What kind of adapter? I was under the impression that any modifications needed to play japanese games on a us N64 could be performed with a soldering iron or pair of pliers (http://www.gamesx.com/importmod/n64con.htm) without even opening the case.

Yeah, you could ruin your N64 internally and perform the mod, or use an adapter. This one is made by Blaze...called the SFX 64. A simple adapter that plugs into the N64 and the game cart plugs into that. I like this better, as not only am I not modding my N64, but I can take this to a friends house and play the game on their N64 as well. Here is the link to the auction I won just to show you the pic of it:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3021161730&category=27195

[Atari7800]

Fro what I understand, the N64 cart adaptor is just a simple pass-through device. If you look at the base of a US cart and compare it to that of a japanese cart, you'll see a subtle differance in the "notches" on the bottom of the cart. These notches line up with cut-outs in the N64... it's just a simple hardware differance. You can hack away just a bit on the N64 and get any cart to fit without any welding. You won't see any sign of the job externally.

I LOVE Sin & Punishment... especially the portion where you're flying around on the chunk of wreckage up, down, and all around the big gunship. I'm amazed at what the N64 can do in the hands of the right developer. This may be one of the most visually impressive N64 games I've ever seen.

Bangai-O is also a great deal of fun, but in a different way. The N64 original is actuualy better than the Dreamcast port in terms of gameplay (the graphics are better on the DC, of course.) They changed a few subtle yet important details in the gameplay, and the N64 wins. Did I read somewhere that both the N64 and DC games were produced in limited quantires?

[maxlords]

Yup, I hacked out those tabs with a knife tp play Sin and Punishment. Works fine :D

[BenT]

Ditto. And now I can't find it for any sort of decent price at all. Unless I get lucky, you can probably add this as number three on the list of treasure games I will never own, preceded by Radiant Silvergun and Alien Soldier.If we're just talkin' rarity, you'd have a much harder time getting Yu Yu Hakusho (MD) and Rakugaki Showtime (PSX) than Radiant or S&P, methinks.

Pricewise, they're all pretty high save for S&P.

[WiseSalesman]

I forgot about Yu Yu Hakusho....probably because I'm not all that interested in it. But, yes, at one point the goal WAS to own everything developed by treasure, but...

[BenT]

I'm kind of working on that at the moment. Not really very smart of me -- I don't like to play many Treasure games -- but I've already got JPN Alien Soldier, Silvergun, N64 Bangaioh, both JPN Ikarugas, S&P, and most American releases, so I'm already pretty far in. :/

That said, Yu Yu Hakusho is probably their least interesting 16-bit title for me. I tried it briefly in an emu and it just didn't seem terribly interesting. I'd say the rather lukewarmly regarded Rakugaki is probably next on my hit list.

[zektor]

Fro what I understand, the N64 cart adaptor is just a simple pass-through device. If you look at the base of a US cart and compare it to that of a japanese cart, you'll see a subtle differance in the "notches" on the bottom of the cart. These notches line up with cut-outs in the N64... it's just a simple hardware differance. You can hack away just a bit on the N64 and get any cart to fit without any welding. You won't see any sign of the job externally.

I LOVE Sin & Punishment... especially the portion where you're flying around on the chunk of wreckage up, down, and all around the big gunship. I'm amazed at what the N64 can do in the hands of the right developer. This may be one of the most visually impressive N64 games I've ever seen.

Bangai-O is also a great deal of fun, but in a different way. The N64 original is actuualy better than the Dreamcast port in terms of gameplay (the graphics are better on the DC, of course.) They changed a few subtle yet important details in the gameplay, and the N64 wins. Did I read somewhere that both the N64 and DC games were produced in limited quantires?

I don't think the DC version was released in limited quantities, as there are so many copies floating around. But the N64 version is said to have made only 10,000 copies...and only released in Japan of course.

[maxlords]

Guess I need the 64 version of Bangai-o then :)

So far for Treasure, I have most of their US releases (sold Stretch Panic..wanted to love it...but couldn't!). I have Silhouette Mirage, Dynamite Headdy, Gunstar Heroes, all the Contras and Castlevanias (said to be some Treasure there), Guardian Heroes, Light Crusader, and Bangai-O. I also broke down and bought a Euro Alien Soldier ($105...OW!)...worthwhile for the Engrish alone, and an import DC Ikaruga, as well as S&P!

I played Radiant Silvergun, and honestly, I didn't like it. I'm not about to spend $150+ on a shmup that I had a lukewarm reaction to, that's for sure. As for Yu Yu Hakusho and Rakugaki, I don't really know what I think there. I do want the McDonald's game they did. Am I missing any others? I think there may be more. I'll definitely be checking out the new Wario game by Treasure along with Gradius V.

[BenT]

Off the top of my head, you're missing...
Guardian Heroes (Sat)
Buster's Bad Dream (GBA, Europe only atm)
Silpheed: The Lost Planet (PS2, Treasure helped a bit to make this shite game)
Mischief Makers (N64)
Hajime no Ippo (GBA, supposedly neat-o JPN boxing game)

Light Crusader gets a lot more flak than it deserves, I think. What I've played of it (before an apparent bug stopped me) was pretty enjoyable.

[maxlords]

Off the top of my head, you're missing...
Guardian Heroes (Sat)
Buster's Bad Dream (GBA, Europe only atm)
Silpheed: The Lost Planet (PS2, Treasure helped a bit to make this shite game)
Mischief Makers (N64)
Hajime no Ippo (GBA, supposedly neat-o JPN boxing game)

Light Crusader gets a lot more flak than it deserves, I think. What I've played of it (before an apparent bug stopped me) was pretty enjoyable.

Hmmmm....I have Guardian Heroes and I forgot that they worked on Silpheed, which I also have. But Silpheed WAS a Game Arts game with Treasure help, not a straight Treasure game.....and I LIKED it! :D

Never heard of Buster's Bad Dream though....and I saw stuff about Hajime no Ippo on Treasure's Japan site (http://www.treasure-inc.co.jp/index01.html) but I don't know that I'll bother to buy it. I'm not much for sports games, even if it IS Treasure. Do still need a mint complete Mischief Makers tho! Yeah...and I liked Light Crusader too...it's werid, and not STUNNING, but it's not bad..reminds me of Landstalker kinda.

[Mayhem]

Mischief Makers is Enix by the way... any link to Treasure? Should really examine the box more closely...

[anagrama]

Alien Soldier is actually not THAT spendy in Europe

Expect to pay £25-£40 ($40-$60) for a complete PAL copy

[maxlords]

Alien Soldier is actually not THAT spendy in Europe

Expect to pay £25-£40 ($40-$60) for a complete PAL copy

Unless you buy it off ebay for over $100 *sob!*


And Mayhem, Mischief Makers was released by Enix stateside, but it's made by Treasure.

[Mayhem]

True I guess... though the only real place Treasure is mentioned in the Japanese version (from my memory) is on the title screen... I don't recall seeing their name on the packaging!

[BenT]

You can rest assured that MM was 100% developed by Treasure. I mean, it should be pretty obvious when you're playing it. Only Treasure could be that weird. :)

[Vroomfunkel]

£25 - £40 for Alien Soldier complete???? Unless you live in Bargain Street and wear trousers woven out of four leafed clovers, I'd say that was pretty unlikely. If you can get me one for £25, then let me know, please!! From what I have seen £60 ($90) is more like it.

And Yu Yu Hakusho is actually a pretty good game. It is kind of like a predecessor to Guardian Heroes (multiplayer action, characters can jump into the foreground or background, loads of moves etc.) I just snagged a copy of this game, so I am feeling quite pleased with myself :-)

I too was decidedly underwhelmed by Radiant Silvergun. Played it at a freind's, and I am very glad I never splashed out on it! It's not got a patch on Ikaruga. And to be honest, I think some of the other Saturn shooters are better. Don't believe the hype.

Vroomfunkel

[BenT]

I enjoy Radiant's style and mood much more than Ikaruga's, which is much less rich. I don't enjoy playing either, though. They're far too rigid in their gameplay mechanics, particularly Radiant. You play (chain) how the designers want you to or you do horribly. Not my idea of fun.

Thankfully, I got my Radiant for $49 at EB back in 1999. That last Saturn import they had was my first Saturn game. What a way to start. :P

[maxlords]

I too was decidedly underwhelmed by Radiant Silvergun. Played it at a freind's, and I am very glad I never splashed out on it! It's not got a patch on Ikaruga. And to be honest, I think some of the other Saturn shooters are better. Don't believe the hype.

Vroomfunkel

Agreed. I rather decidedly enjoyed stuff like Soukyugurentai and Guardian Force far more than RS. And they're a LOT cheaper. Now if only I could afford a blasted Sengoku Blade.....

[anagrama]

£25 - £40 for Alien Soldier complete???? Unless you live in Bargain Street and wear trousers woven out of four leafed clovers, I'd say that was pretty unlikely. If you can get me one for £25, then let me know, please!! From what I have seen £60 ($90) is more like it.


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3021478380&category=3644

OK, so it's not mint, but that's a complete copy for £24. There's been others aswell in the last 3 or 4 months for under £30.
£60 would be borderline reasonable if its mint & sealed, but too much otherwise.
And besides, aren't DP prices meant to be a little under the going eBay rate?

[zektor]

I finally received Sin and Punishment today! Holy crap! This game is phenominal! I think Nintendo not deciding to bring this game to the USA was a veryvery big mistake. This could have at least lengthened the life of the N64. Back to playing!

[skel64]

I finally received Sin and Punishment today! Holy crap! This game is phenominal! I think Nintendo not deciding to bring this game to the USA was a veryvery big mistake. This could have at least lengthened the life of the N64. Back to playing!

Hi, is your Sin and Punishment working with SFX 64 Adaptor on PAL N64 ?

Also what version of Blaze SFX 64 adaptor you have, exist four versions -
first one, black cartridge and no any V in name, this cartridge look like gray V2 and V3 cartridges.
second - V2, gray cartridge
third - V3, gray cartridge
fourth - V4, black cartridge again, but absulutly different design, look like XPLoder 64 - cheating cartridge also from Blaze

Thanks for any infos, i like bo buy this import adaptor, but i have offer for first version and not know if will be Sin and Punishment running with them.

PS: Merry Christmas.

[Tanooki]

Dude wow, you woke up a task from 10 years ago. Yes a whole decade. Good luck getting your answer on that.

[skel64]

Dude wow, you woke up a task from 10 years ago. Yes a whole decade. Good luck getting your answer on that.

Yes, old thread. But i see that user "zektor" was online yesterday - he is active. So I adres this mainly to him because he probably have adaptor Blaze first version, and game Sin and Puni9shment. He can tell me if this game work with this first version of Blaze SFX 64 Universal Game Adaptor.

I found many other forums/thread with people who have some N64 import adaptor/adapter and Sin and Punishment game,
but this its best chance to me determine if first version of SFX 64 work with Sin and Punishment.

If I not receive required information, I start new thread.

[Koa Zo]

So I adres this mainly to him because he He can tell me if this game work with this first version of Blaze SFX 64 Universal Game Adaptor.



Why use any adapter?
Just cut the plastic region tabs out from your console.

[SuperEliteGamer]

.....
Why aren't you playing it right now????

[skel64]

Why use any adapter?
Just cut the plastic region tabs out from your console.

I am from Europe, i have PAL N64. I future i buy NTSC-J or NTSC-U N64 and do RGB mod for better picture quality, but now I like to buy this adapter.

[Koa Zo]

I am from Europe, i have PAL N64. I future i buy NTSC-J or NTSC-U N64 and do RGB mod for better picture quality, but now I like to buy this adapter.

Ah, I see. Sorry I cant help.
I hope one day soon you get to enjoy this radical game!

[skel64]

Ah, I see. Sorry I cant help.
I hope one day soon you get to enjoy this radical game!


- sorry for many capitals in this reply, but more important things is needet to highlight...


Hi,

so finaly I buy Passport Plus III - Now great N64 game Sin and Punishment is working on my PAL N64 console !!!

I discover that SFX 64 version one is just straight through device - so totaly useless because we European players need adaptor with PAL boot cartridge to play NTSC-J/U games on our N64's and in oposite american players can dismantle plastic cuts that block use of japan cartridges on your consoles.

V2 and V3 is good devices, that use boot cartridge and allow to use NTSC-J/U games on PAL console or vice versa but this version is relative old and Sin & Punishment is N64 game from November 2000 so V2 and V3 probably not have support for this game.

V4 is best of all N64 region adaptors but is even second hand more that tvice expensive that new Passport Plus III.

All others N64 region adaptors have support for just +-50% of games.


And now about Passport Plus III - many people throv hate to this region converter but these people not know how to use it properly. Passport Plus III can freeze by improper use, also I read post from one guy on another forum who buy Passport Plus III(PP III) just for play Sin and Punishment on PAL console and he start trolling to PP III because game not working for him - he wrote that he try to use code that allow to play Sin & P with PP III and not work, then he try another code and not work... - BUT HE WAS SO STUPID THAT NOT SEE IN PASSPORT PLUS III MENU ABILITY TO USE MORE THAN ONE CODE AT A TIME !!@#$! :-D
Yes, Sin and Punishment is one of few games that need to use on Passport Plus III two boot codes together for play it !
HERE IS THESE CODES:

E1100304 00000000
E93D0054 0000003F

Its nothing hard to do - just before first play create in Passport Plus III menu new entry(give it name as you like but best is use name of game - Sin and Punishment :-), open that new entry, SWITCH PASSPORT PLUS III CODE MODE FOR THAT ONE WITH CORRECT AMOUNT OF DIGITS(that is very imortant, many people goes wrong here - Passport Plus III have three modes for codes, all three for different long codes), ENTER FIRST NEW CODE - E1100304 00000000 (or thet second - it's not important in what order you enter codes) AND SAVE IT !!!
REPEAT THIS ALSO FOR SECOND CODE - YOU CAN SAVE JUST ONE NEW CODE AT ONE INPUT TO THAT NEW ENTRY !!! Even that menu for that adding of new codes look like you can enter more codes at one time(has more lines for codes), when you try to enter second code first one is replaced - so enter code and SAVE IT ! Than pres exit button to Passport Plus III game codes menu(it's NOT NEEDET TO EXIT IN START SCREEN OR EVEN RESET CONSOLE, JUST ONE LEVEL UP) ! NOW ENTER TO THAT ENTRY WHERE YOU SAVE FIRST CODE AGAIN(so it is Sin and Punishment entry - if you use this name) AND REPEATE PROCEDURE WITH SECOND CODE !!! Codes will be saved in Passport Plus III permanent - you not need to typing it again(only if you remove it from Passport Plus III code's menu) !!!

After SAVING of these TWO CODE'S you CAN play SIN and PUNISHMENT every time you want just put Sin and Punishment on top of Passport Plus III, put some PAL game as boot game in back of PP III (Super Mario 64 or International Soccer Superstar 64 working perfect - many more games work perfect, just not use games that have battery in cartridge like Ocarina of Time because you saves can be demaged), in Passport Plus III menu select "start game with codes", select that code entry that you create for Sin and Punishment(on bottom part of screen you will then see line "two codes is enabled") and run game !!!


IF YOU ARE NOT DUMMY PERSONS YOU CAN DO ALL THIS IN 3 to 8 MINUTES --> depends on how quickly you will understand with button have given with function like "back" , "enter new" , "save" etc. - it's in Passport Plus III menu showed on bottom part of screen.



99% OF BAD THINGS THAT YOU MAYBE READ ABOUT PASSPORT PLUS III IS NOT TRUE - IF YOU PROPPER USE IT IT'S NOT FREEZE, NOT DEMAGE YOURSELF, NOT DEMAGE ANY GAME OR GAME SAVE ETC.

Almost all N64 games working(with proper boot code/code's - very good list of codes is for example on cyberaxe.net), not important if you like to play European PAL game on US/Japan N64 or vice versa...
Few games that not woking is:

* Taz Express
* Bust A Move 3 DX
* Premier Manager 64
* F-1 World Grand Prix II
* Michael Owen's World League Soccer 2000
* Worms Armageddon
* Cruis'n Exotica



And of curse I almost forgot - Passport Plus III have also integrated GameShark/Action Replay that contain also support for copy N64 Memory Cart's(Controller Pack's) and for backup/copy saves from cartridge to memory card.
I check that Passport Plus III can backup saves from N64 cartridges that use 4 Kilobit EEPROM and 16 Kilobit EEPROM for saving. On N64 games cartridges that use SRAM or FlashRAM for saves Passport Plus III not "see" any save on cartridge - I not know if this saves can be backup with normal standalone GameShark/Action Replay but from all N64 games use SRAM or FlashRAM these games:

SRAM cartridges:

1080º Snowboarding
F-Zero X
Harvest Moon 64
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, The
Major League Baseball featuring Ken Griffey Jr.
Mario Golf
New Tetris, The
Ogre Battle 64: Person of Lordly Caliber
Resident Evil 2
Super Smash Bros.
WCW/NWO Revenge
WWF: Wrestlemania 2000


FlashRAM cartridges:

Command & Conquer
Jet Force Gemini Kiosk
Jet Force Gemini
Ken Griffey Jr's Slugfest
Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, The
Megaman 64
NBA Courtside 2 featuring Kobe Bryant
Paper Mario
Pokémon Puzzle League
Pokémon Snap
Pokémon Stadium
Pokémon Stadium 2
Starcraft 64
Tigger's Honey Hunt
WWF: No Mercy


So all other games that save on cartridge can be by Passport Plus III copied to Memory Card.
Also I check that even bigger capacity non original Nintendo 64 memory cart's working too - I try InterAct 1MB - 4xbank memory cart, Blaze 1MB - 4xbank memory cart and even Shock Wave 1MB memory cart with has 1MB memory not divided to more bank like have most of others 1MB N64 memory carts woking too without problems !



For price cca 20Euro's or 25-26$ US dollars is amazing device with can do many things for not too big price.
Some of shops offer Passport Plus III for higher prices but you can buy new one for 20Euro's or 25-26$ US dollars on eBay, Play-Asia etc.



PS: Like I write on start of this long reply, sorry for many uppercase characters - I not have time to use different colors for highlight important this and use just big symbols. Also sorry for typos and grammatical errors, I have no time for correct it. Maybe sometime in future I edit/update this reply and correct typos/grammatic, thanks you for understanding.