Chrono Trigger... DS!

[badinsults]

i was in japan right before the World ends w/ you release, and trust me, marketing for that game was HUUUGE. akihabara had a half-skyscraper tall poster advertising the game and you couldnt walk into any eletronics store without seeing huge standees for it. also all subways and train cars had ads for it.

And yet there was none of this in North America.

[Daria]

So you all just recently figured out that Square releases mediocre bullshit?

Also I'm with Aussie, while ports and remakes are nothing more then money milking cash-cows, ports and remakes of games that have otherwise never been released in English can only be a good thing. (:

[carlcarlson]

So you all just recently figured out that Square releases mediocre bullshit?

I have yet to figure this out. While neither of my two favorite franchises are done by Square, I still enjoy quite a few of their games. Chrono Trigger is definitely in my top 10, FF 7, 9, and 12 rank high on my rpg list, and they've got a ton of other smaller franchises that all also warrant a play through. Heck, the last game I bought was The World Ends with You, and before that I got FF12: Revenant Wings. I think big companies just draw a lot of fire, whether they deserve it or not. I for one am thrilled about the CT remake, and would gladly buy a remake of FF7 and 9 as well. I understand the concerns people have about Square just cashing in, but I don't see anything wrong with updating a classic.

[Blitzwing256]

keep in mind that square caters to a smaller crowd then say ea games. they don't quite have the income that the god of madden has, so if they have something like a remake thats going to guarantee them a return, that gives them the opurtunity to make some money to release some of the more niche crap that they release, just remeber alot of the smaller stuff like einhander parasite eve or the saga series aren't going to make them as much money. (also keep in mind alot of the niche stuff tanks at release...yea i'm looking at you romancing saga/unlimted saga) as awesome as final fantasy is, making money is the number one deciding factor on what does get released,


I didn't really love chrono trigger (good game, but way overrated) but I will pick up a legit copy and support it in hopes of it helping to fund something that isn't mainstream/been there done that.

[G-Boobie]

keep in mind that square caters to a smaller crowd then say ea games. they don't quite have the income that the god of madden has, so if they have something like a remake thats going to guarantee them a return, that gives them the opurtunity to make some money to release some of the more niche crap that they release, just remeber alot of the smaller stuff like einhander parasite eve or the saga series aren't going to make them as much money. (also keep in mind alot of the niche stuff tanks at release...yea i'm looking at you romancing saga/unlimted saga) as awesome as final fantasy is, making money is the number one deciding factor on what does get released,


I didn't really love chrono trigger (good game, but way overrated) but I will pick up a legit copy and support it in hopes of it helping to fund something that isn't mainstream/been there done that.

Here are a few articles that completely undermine your position that Square is some kind of 'underdog indie game designer.', without, and I quote you, sir, "the income that the god of madden has".

Reality, here we come.

Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#PlayStation) we have the best selling Playstation games of all time. Note that there are two Square games in the top ten, four in the top twenty, and seven in the top fifty, for a combined number of units sold at 29.69 million worldwide. So much for 'niche'.

Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#PlayStation) we have the best selling PS2 games of all time. Square Enix has FOUR of the TOP TEN spots, for a combined total of 20.92 million sold. That's just the top ten. So much, again, for 'niche'.

Here (http://www.gunslot.com/blog/top-twenty-five-25-best-selling-video-games-all-time) are the 25 best selling games of all time. Final Fantasy VII is on there, number 19 at 9.8 million.

Crisis Core has sold 1.25 million copies. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#PlayStation_Portable)

Square Enix is a fucking HUGE company. They also own Taito. They publish Tri-Ace. What the Hell are you thinking?

Yes. Making money is totally the point of all these remakes. But, as I previously pointed out, that hasn't exactly been a winning strategy. (http://kotaku.com/393195/square-enix-lose-money-need-more-greenbacks)

[Blitzwing256]

they're huge sure, but not ea games huge, a stinker hurts them far more then a stinker will hurt ea or thq.
a good note is ff12 tanked royally in the us (compared to previous ff releases) ,its a good example of them trying something new and it failing miserably and costing them some scratch.


anywho, my point simply was chrono trigger is a great way for them to make some extra money to support better projects yadda yadda so I don't mind supporting it (and hey maybe the extra content will be worth playing, I really dug the extra stuff in the ff2 and ff4 remakes). I for one would love to see parasite eve 3 and einhander 2 style games coming out more often, but unfortuatnly making games is much more expensive then it was back in the ps1 days.

[Cryomancer]

The closest thing to "cool indie developer makes shitty cash in games to fund "real" project" is probably Grasshopper Manufacture.

[Drag0nsfyre]

Looks pretty cool on the trailer. :) NOT 3d either! :D :cool:

[TonyTheTiger]

Well, it looks like Chrono Trigger on the trailer albeit appearing to have some kind of filter running ala Super Eagle or something. Nothing surprising but it's nice to get confirmation. I'm more interested now in what the "enhancements" will actually consist of. We know of a new dungeon but are we going to see some other newness or just a handful of the extras from the Playstation version?

[Wraith Storm]

Yeah... I'm glad to see it's a straight port with maybe a few extras added in.

Finally after all these years i'm gonna get the chance to set down and see what all the hype is about. I just hope they dont skrew it up like they did with the GBA FF6 port. I thought that FF 4 and 5 were solid ports but FF6 is sacred to me and Square messed it all up. There was slowdown galore, the music didn't sound right, and it was buggy as hell.

Here's hope they do a good job with the Chrono Trigger port.

[TonyTheTiger]

So what are the odds we'll be getting Woolsey's work?

[G-Boobie]

So what are the odds we'll be getting Woolsey's work?

We'll probably get something along the lines of FF VI Advance. Close to the original translation, but cleaned up a bit.

[G-Boobie]

they're huge sure, but not ea games huge, a stinker hurts them far more then a stinker will hurt ea or thq.
a good note is ff12 tanked royally in the us (compared to previous ff releases) ,its a good example of them trying something new and it failing miserably and costing them some scratch.


anywho, my point simply was chrono trigger is a great way for them to make some extra money to support better projects yadda yadda so I don't mind supporting it (and hey maybe the extra content will be worth playing, I really dug the extra stuff in the ff2 and ff4 remakes). I for one would love to see parasite eve 3 and einhander 2 style games coming out more often, but unfortuatnly making games is much more expensive then it was back in the ps1 days.

...You aren't paying attention.

FF XII sold 5.2 million. 1.7 in America alone. That's sold through; not sold into retailers. How the hell is that a failure? It doesn't matter if it didn't sell well next to X or VII or whatever: It was profitable. It. Made. Money. That doesn't cost scratch: that creates scratch. Do your research, son. Seriously.

And lets talk about their 'better' projects, shall we? Dirge of Cerberus. Chocobo Mystery Dungeon II. Dawn of Mana. Romancing Saga. These are the projects that these re-releases are funding. Every once in a while we get a The World Ends With You, but they're farther and farther apart.

My point is that modern Square has no fucking idea what the Hell they're doing, so they continually remake and re-release their old games on new formats. That may have been great ten Final Fantasy 1 ports ago, but it's starting to wear thin, especially with Virtual Console, PSN, and XBLA available.

Slapping an eagle filter on a ROM and selling it to me for forty bucks when your fellow companies are charging ten bucks a download for the same content is pretty fucking ballsy for a company who's credibility is starting to be called into question. I'm just saying.

[c0ldb33r]

FYI - there's a teaser trailer up.
http://kotaku.com/5022371/yes-this-is-the-chrono-trigger-ds-trailer

It's pure SNES. Frankly, I'm a little disappointed. I'll still buy and love it though.

[Icarus Moonsight]

I didn't even think of that. Why isn't SE putting anything out on VC? Seems almost crazy since their fans already buy their games each time they are released and re-released and ported, then enhanced, later still upgraded... and so on and so on. You're right G-Boobie... they don't know WTF they are doing.

Almost seems like they have tacked all their past game release boxes on the wall and when they need to start planning a new game for release they throw the magic decider dart. Then they spin the sequel/port/upgrade/off-shoot wheel in the bonus round! YAY! Presto, the new game is ready to be worked on!

[Leo_A]

I didn't even think of that. Why isn't SE putting anything out on VC? Seems almost crazy since their fans already buy their games each time they are released and re-released and ported, then enhanced, later still upgraded... and so on and so on. You're right G-Boobie... they don't know WTF they are doing.


So with a minimum of work, they can repackage it for $40 on a handheld instead of less than $10 on a digital download service.

[Sudo]

I didn't even think of that. Why isn't SE putting anything out on VC? Seems almost crazy since their fans already buy their games each time they are released and re-released and ported, then enhanced, later still upgraded... and so on and so on. You're right G-Boobie... they don't know WTF they are doing.

Almost seems like they have tacked all their past game release boxes on the wall and when they need to start planning a new game for release they throw the magic decider dart. Then they spin the sequel/port/upgrade/off-shoot wheel in the bonus round! YAY! Presto, the new game is ready to be worked on!

They know exactly what they're doing. Why would they put Chrono Trigger on the VC for $8 when they can charge $40 and sell over a million copies?

[boatofcar]

I didn't even think of that. Why isn't SE putting anything out on VC? Seems almost crazy since their fans already buy their games each time they are released and re-released and ported, then enhanced, later still upgraded... and so on and so on. You're right G-Boobie... they don't know WTF they are doing.


Sigh...they know exactly what they're doing. They're making money. Square makes more money releasing a physical product for $40 than they do releasing a DL product for $10. Once again, as long as people keep buying ports at full retail price, Square will keep releasing them. Why the heck wouldn't they?

[Lothars]

Yeah... I'm glad to see it's a straight port with maybe a few extras added in.

Finally after all these years i'm gonna get the chance to set down and see what all the hype is about. I just hope they dont skrew it up like they did with the GBA FF6 port. I thought that FF 4 and 5 were solid ports but FF6 is sacred to me and Square messed it all up. There was slowdown galore, the music didn't sound right, and it was buggy as hell.

Here's hope they do a good job with the Chrono Trigger port.

I must have not played the same port as you because I thought the FF6 gba was an great port

I am excited for this and frankly I am really glad it's on the DS instead of the VC

It would be cool if they still released it on the VC but I will not think twice about buying it for the DS

[Icarus Moonsight]

Sigh...they know exactly what they're doing. They're making money. Square makes more money releasing a physical product for $40 than they do releasing a DL product for $10. Once again, as long as people keep buying ports at full retail price, Square will keep releasing them. Why the heck wouldn't they?

The VC route has little to no overhead when compared to a retail box release. They can release more titles for the same amount of investment and cast a wider net. Front Mission on the DS is having a hard time selling at $20... Though I'm sure Chrono won't have that issue. In these cases they can do both. May have to stager the releases, but that shouldn't be new ground for them.

The strategy makes sense for Nintendo, they are the master in this field. Yet, they have released some of their stuff (some highly desired stuff too) on VC rather than making another retail box release for those games. That's why I think they (SquareEnix) are not so much knowing what they are doing. Oh well.

[G-Boobie]

Sigh...they know exactly what they're doing. They're making money. Square makes more money releasing a physical product for $40 than they do releasing a DL product for $10. Once again, as long as people keep buying ports at full retail price, Square will keep releasing them. Why the heck wouldn't they?

How much money are they making, exactly? This is the second year Square lost money. How much overhead is there in marketing a retail product? box art, proprietary media format, manufacturing, printing, packaging, distribution...

It costs about twenty thousand dollars to release a game on VC. Fifteen thousand or so for ESRB rating and another five for VC licensing. You're reaching the same people. More, actually; at ten bucks, the likelihood of new people trying your game if the hype is right is much higher than a cart that costs five bucks more than the next most expensive cart.

Square has released a couple games on the japanese PSN. Einhander(!) and Xenogears(..Uh...), so maybe we'll see a shift in the other direction. Of course, knowing the Square people, they'll assume if Americans won't buy up DS ports, we won't buy digital downloads either. Oh well, indeed.

[TonyTheTiger]

Square might be coming down with a case of George Lucas. Why would people want the original version with no changes at all when we can give them remakes and enhanced ports?

[Lothars]

How much money are they making, exactly? This is the second year Square lost money. How much overhead is there in marketing a retail product? box art, proprietary media format, manufacturing, printing, packaging, distribution...

It costs about twenty thousand dollars to release a game on VC. Fifteen thousand or so for ESRB rating and another five for VC licensing. You're reaching the same people. More, actually; at ten bucks, the likelihood of new people trying your game if the hype is right is much higher than a cart that costs five bucks more than the next most expensive cart.

Square has released a couple games on the japanese PSN. Einhander(!) and Xenogears(..Uh...), so maybe we'll see a shift in the other direction. Of course, knowing the Square people, they'll assume if Americans won't buy up DS ports, we won't buy digital downloads either. Oh well, indeed.

Well when I think that your wrong in some ways but I think that a DS port of Chrono Trigger is fantastic, I hope they do release it on VC as well but for it to come out as a portable version makes it worthwhile.

Square probably will do both and for me especially with games like chrono trigger is about time.

[Blitzwing256]

I can't get into the whole buying vc games with no enhancements at all for a game i've played before , (paying twice for the same thing exact is pretty stupid) but paying for an updated version of a game I love (looking at you ff4!) is a non brainer, i'm a sucker for new content and for those outstanding few games like ff4 sotn dragonwarrior 3 and ff tactics i'll buy them again and again as long as I get something new each time., I however won't buy the same thing again on a differnt medium if its identical (also looking at you psp ff1 and ff2) plus you know portability makes it even bettter, I remeber when ff4ds came out it was the day before I left for botcon and I had an absolute blast playing it on the plane ride to and from the convention.

[hbkprm]

i was amazed by this shit
im gonna ask my best friend for this on xmas

[kainemaxwell]

New scans:
http://www.forever-fantasy.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1256&mode=&order=0&thold=0

[TonyTheTiger]

Well they made one change. The fourth scan shows some kind of status bar or something beneath the characters. It seems like the battle GUI will be on the other screen. I guess those bars are HP/MP meters.

[G-Boobie]

I can't get into the whole buying vc games with no enhancements at all for a game i've played before , (paying twice for the same thing exact is pretty stupid) [...]

One thing to remember is that if you have a HD TV, Virtual Console is pretty much the only way to get a lot of these games to look good. My SNES, NES, Genesis, and MS all look like shite on me bravia(No scan lines = crap image).

I know I could get the consoles modded, but I'd rather support the game makers. That's right: even Square :) Given an option, I'd rather play most of these games on a television anyway.

[carlcarlson]

The screen marked "3" in the fourth scan looks like it has some realtime combat going on. Am I forgetting a scene from the original, or is this a possible multiplayer feature?

[Sudo]

The screen marked "3" in the fourth scan looks like it has some realtime combat going on. Am I forgetting a scene from the original, or is this a possible multiplayer feature?

They've said there would be wireless play, as well as a new dungeon and touch screen features.

[MrSparkle]

changes they should make:

1) lavos as a playable character!

2) frog able to transform back and forth from his human form

3) shoot em up levels while travelling through time in the epoch!

4) getting to take magus's castle as some kind of badass homebase if you decide to kill him.

5) lucca needs bigger boobs to offset her horrible glasses

6) chrono should be the most talkative mother fucker in the world

7) inclusion of other akira toriyama characters in the game (goku anyone!!)

8) CHARG'IN MAH LAZER!

9) metalica st anger as new sound track (the old music sucked!)

10) skip 3d altogether go right for 4d!! (hypercubes rock)

11) chrono should get to hit it with marle!

12) drivable dragon tank!

13) new boss: grandson of the son!

14) All of these are extremely sarcastic suggestions please don't make this game suck!

[c0ldb33r]

changes they should make...
Well they should be options at least.