Final Fantasy XIII 360(Confirmed at E3)

[rbudrick]

Meh. I lost interest in FF right around 5 hours into VIII. I think that was a decade ago now. Too many flamboyantly gayish heroes, I guess. That and characters that became sterotypes of the characters in the 5 games before it.

That Tidus pic takes the fucking cake. I can only imagine that would stop even guys in pink tutus in a gay parade cold if they saw that for real. They'd just be like, "Dude! No, dude, look, OMG! That guy is GAAAAY."

-Rob

[The 1 2 P]

That Tidus pic takes the fucking cake. I can only imagine that would stop even guys in pink tutus in a gay parade cold if they saw that for real. They'd just be like, "Dude! No, dude, look, OMG! That guy is GAAAAY."



Lol. Too funnyROFL

[evil_genius]

What's a dolt? Is that something the fragmesiter made up?

[TonyTheTiger]

I don't particularly mind flamboyant outfits. I read comic books, after all. What I do mind is when the flamboyancy is derived from a hodgepodge of random details with no central design of it's own. If you take away Superman's cape he's still a guy in a blue suit. But if you take away all of Tidus's zippers and buttons he's more or less naked. He's not really wearing anything except accessories.

[roushimsx]

You guys realize that you're hanging out on a retro-games website message board, arguing whether knowing who Fragmeister is can determine whether or not you have a life. In a post about a Final Fantasy game.

I'm just saying.

Yea, pretty much. By posting regularly on this forum you're just confirming that you're a god damn nerd and any attempt to say otherwise just highlights your level of denial. You can't say, "oh I never heard of him because I have a life" because that's just a load of bullshit. More like you never heard of him because you simply weren't part of the gaming crowd on the net in the late 90s.

No one is fooling anyone up in this crib.

[The 1 2 P]

I know that there are wrestling "marks" and celebrity/pro athlete "marks". But semi-random obscure internet personality "marks"? Thats.....different.

[G-Boobie]

Yea, pretty much. By posting regularly on this forum you're just confirming that you're a god damn nerd and any attempt to say otherwise just highlights your level of denial. You can't say, "oh I never heard of him because I have a life" because that's just a load of bullshit. More like you never heard of him because you simply weren't part of the gaming crowd on the net in the late 90s.

No one is fooling anyone up in this crib.

Well, yeah. That was my point, dude.

My point was we're all nerds here, and pulling the dumbfuck "Oh you don't know who that guy is, you're a moron" makes you look like a tool. I like to assume that on this site, comprised primarily of adults with a greater level of education and mental acumen than, say, GameFAQS, ignorance of what passes for culture on the internet would be corrected politely and without venom, but I guess I shouldn't assume so much.

"That's Fragmeister in that video. He's pretty influential in the online gaming scene. Here's a few links to better explain who he is". Is that so much harder than insulting a fellow community member and looking like an idiot?

Incidentally, I have no idea at all who the Hell Fragmeister is, and I don't care either. If that makes me less 1337 or whatever, I'll live.

[mezrabad]

Well, yeah. That was my point, dude.

My point was we're all nerds here, and pulling the dumbfuck "Oh you don't know who that guy is, you're a moron" makes you look like a tool. I like to assume that on this site, comprised primarily of adults with a greater level of education and mental acumen than, say, GameFAQS, ignorance of what passes for culture on the internet would be corrected politely and without venom, but I guess I shouldn't assume so much.

"That's Fragmeister in that video. He's pretty influential in the online gaming scene. Here's a few links to better explain who he is". Is that so much harder than insulting a fellow community member and looking like an idiot?

Incidentally, I have no idea at all who the Hell Fragmeister is, and I don't care either. If that makes me less 1337 or whatever, I'll live.

If we had an awards category for "well timed and articulate reponse" your post would SO be nominated. Sincerely. Well put, sir.

We're all in the same hobby, why are so many of our posts merely information-free snarky jabs at each other? Sure, we poke fun at one another, but why can't we just put down the venom? Must admit to dipping into that vial myself a few times, but y'know, I think I can communicate without it.

[blissfulnoise]

Incidentally, I have no idea at all who the Hell Fragmeister is, and I don't care either. If that makes me less 1337 or whatever, I'll live.

To be fair, I've been playing video games for 27 years, have what, by all accounts, is one of the larger video game collections out there (cred check: 4000+ games, 36 systems, 13 arcades, dedicated basement), and I have no idea who he is either.

But, then again, internet memes never really resonate with me, so unless he put out a "How to win at..." book in the 80s, then who give a fuck what that guy thinks?

[Overbite]

you are all dolts!

ff 4 lyf

[The 1 2 P]

The PS3 will be the lead version of FFXIII and will come out in Japan first. However, the US and European PS3 versions of FFXIII will still come out on the same date as the US and European 360 versions: http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/final-fantasy-xiiis-lead-platform-is-ps3/?biz=1. Apparently the US release of the PS3 version will be delayed until the 360 version is complete, the same thing that happened to the US 360 version of GTA 4 until the PS3 version was complete.

[heybtbm]

Bump into the future.

Gotta love the picture accompanying this article...

http://kotaku.com/5250173/japanese-voices-on-xbox-360-final-fantasy-xiii-who-needs-em

So true too. Love the 360, but there's no way I'm buying FF13 on that console.

[c0ldb33r]

Gotta love the picture accompanying this article...
That box actually made me lol LOL

[The 1 2 P]

Gotta love the picture accompanying this article...


Theres no way the 360 version will need that many disc. With new space age disc compression techniques and the 360's built-in T-1000 flux capacitor mother board, it should only need about 3/4 of the disc shown in the picture.

[Nebagram]

So if it comes on 30 DVDs, does that mean it'll be on 5 blu-ray discs? :p

Seriously though, I never understood why people prefer the Japanese voice tracks in games. It's just like the choice between dubbed and subbed films- I'll go for dubbed movies every time for 2 good reasons- 1, I prefer to watch movies rather than read them, and 2, I don't care if the native voice acting is better because I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE SAYING. I just don't grasp how this logic eludes people.

[c0ldb33r]

Seriously though, I never understood why people prefer the Japanese voice tracks in games.
I usually use the Japanese language option. Typically the English voice acting is terrible (e.g. FFX) and the Japanese language option masks that. I'll usually only use the English version if the voice acting is decent (e.g. FFXII)

[heybtbm]

Seriously though, I never understood why people prefer the Japanese voice tracks in games. It's just like the choice between dubbed and subbed films- I'll go for dubbed movies every time for 2 good reasons- 1, I prefer to watch movies rather than read them, and 2, I don't care if the native voice acting is better because I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE SAYING. I just don't grasp how this logic eludes people.

I don't really go for the Japanese language feature in games either. Films are another matter entirely. I wouldn't watch a dubbed movie in a million years. I'll take subtitles every time. Since it's actual people with actual lips moving...the dubbing just adds a layer of cheesiness. Completely takes me out of the moment. Games and animation obviously don't have this issue.

[drewbrim]

So if it comes on 30 DVDs, does that mean it'll be on 5 blu-ray discs? :p

Seriously though, I never understood why people prefer the Japanese voice tracks in games. It's just like the choice between dubbed and subbed films- I'll go for dubbed movies every time for 2 good reasons- 1, I prefer to watch movies rather than read them, and 2, I don't care if the native voice acting is better because I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE SAYING. I just don't grasp how this logic eludes people.

Ditto. I've often wondered why people would rather hear the dialogue in Japanese (unless you can speak it of course). I hear the same argument all the time. "Because it's better than the english voice acting". Really? How would you know?

[Graham Mitchell]

Well, one thing I've noticed with a lot of Japan-developed games is that the lip movements were all designed to sync up with the Japanese dialogue, while the English looks like a 3rd rate dub job. So not only does the English dialogue sound stupid, it looks terrible as well.

[The 1 2 P]

Ditto. I've often wondered why people would rather hear the dialogue in Japanese (unless you can speak it of course). I hear the same argument all the time. "Because it's better than the english voice acting". Really? How would you know?

Trippo(I just made that up). As an anime fan and gamer I have also had this discussion about a gazillion times. Even if the Japanese audio in games and anime sounds a million times better than the US audio, you are still forced to read it(which is what books and magazines are for, not movies and games). And like you and Nebagram have already said, how the hell would you know what they are actually saying in the Japanese version anyway?

I can tell you that 99% of the time dialogue translation is never word for word. For all you guys know the Japanese version could be saying "I hate US people but they are so stupid they will still listen to this audio track, hahahhahahaha". Obviously thats not what they are saying(so I'm told) but realistically you have no idea what they are really saying unless you speak, read or can comprehend the Japanese language. Outside of a few words and the entire Katakana alphabet(which doesn't help at all when I'm watching Japanese anime or trying to follow story dialogue in video games) I do not so I always choose the US voice track.

[Nature Boy]

I usually use the Japanese language option.

I didn't even know there *was* an option until reading the last few posts in this thread!

What recent game(s) allow you to do that?

I'll admit I haven't played a tonne of JRPGs lately. My last two RPG games have been Fallout 3 (which I'm still playing) and Mass Effect - no translation required.

(And really, video game lip syncing has never been perfect - I find the idea that it looks better if you are hearing Japanese instead of English kinda amusing, as it never looks perfect *anyway*).

[Nate Nanjo]

I usually don't mind English voices overs, but sometimes when the voice have no emotion like reading straight from a script (Stella Dues and Star Ocean 4) it really bugs me. It actually took my interest out of both of those games.

Also, although I don't understand the language I do want the Japanese option back for Dynasty Warriors. :(

[Sonicwolf]

I think the Final Fantasy could create its own category of RPG.

Role-Play OverDramatica

[kupomogli]

Seriously though, I never understood why people prefer the Japanese voice tracks in games. It's just like the choice between dubbed and subbed films- I'll go for dubbed movies every time for 2 good reasons- 1, I prefer to watch movies rather than read them, and 2, I don't care if the native voice acting is better because I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE SAYING. I just don't grasp how this logic eludes people.

The answer is simple. These people like to seem like they're special because they can understand a whole two words used in the entire game. So to those in question, everyone knows what Yatta means by now. You're not special.

I'm with you that I don't care how bad the voice acting is, I'd much rather prefer the English voices to Japanese voice. An example would be how the majority of the voices on Prinny Can I Really Be the Hero were absolutely terrible, but I don't care as atleast it's doesn't sound like shadlfbhjadlsfgjalsdkfjalsdfjalsdkjf. The only time I'll listen to Japanese over English voices is when the game I'm playing has no English voice acting, so imported games I own like the Gundam games, or games like Breath of Fire 3 and Tales of Destiny which use the Japanese voices for battles, etc.

[Cobra Commander]

The answer is simple. These people like to seem like they're special because they can understand a whole two words used in the entire game. So to those in question, everyone knows what Yatta means by now. You're not special.

I'm with you that I don't care how bad the voice acting is, I'd much rather prefer the English voices to Japanese voice. An example would be how the majority of the voices on Prinny Can I Really Be the Hero were absolutely terrible, but I don't care as atleast it's doesn't sound like shadlfbhjadlsfgjalsdkfjalsdfjalsdkjf. The only time I'll listen to Japanese over English voices is when the game I'm playing has no English voice acting, so imported games I own like the Gundam games, or games like Breath of Fire 3 and Tales of Destiny which use the Japanese voices for battles, etc.Yeah. You're right. Everyone of us who wants Japanese language are a bunch of fucking posers. You guys have it all figured out huh?

[kupomogli]

No, but 99.9% of you are, that's for sure.

And it may be you or it may not be you. I'm not saying that everyone doesn't know Japanese, because there are bi-lingual and multi-lingual people out there, but the majority of those that say they watch only in Japanese feel they have people to impress others, like it's cool to watch something you can't understand what the hell they're talking about.

Sure. I think Japan is cool. I even tried learning some Japanese so I know quite a few words. But I can't read it and I can't understand a sentence. I could understand a word here and there. But the fact that I don't know what they're talking about and it's only bits and pieces I don't give a damn how horrible the English voice acting is, I'd rather have it in English.

[heybtbm]

Yeah. You're right. Everyone of us who wants Japanese language are a bunch of fucking posers. You guys have it all figured out huh?


Don't get worked up. He's a negative idiot who loves pissing on other peoples posts. He'll get bored and move on eventually. Those types always do.

[Graham Mitchell]

I didn't even know there *was* an option until reading the last few posts in this thread!

What recent game(s) allow you to do that?

I'll admit I haven't played a tonne of JRPGs lately. My last two RPG games have been Fallout 3 (which I'm still playing) and Mass Effect - no translation required.

(And really, video game lip syncing has never been perfect - I find the idea that it looks better if you are hearing Japanese instead of English kinda amusing, as it never looks perfect *anyway*).

have you played d2 on the dreamcast? the lips on the characters keep chattering a good 6 seconds after the voice ceases at times. that's got to be an artifact of the translation job. and since the ps2 generation, the lip syncing on american-designed games has been strikingly tight. i think there really is a detectable difference. would it stop me from buying a game? of course not.

[Nature Boy]

have you played d2 on the dreamcast? the lips on the characters keep chattering a good 6 seconds after the voice ceases at times. that's got to be an artifact of the translation job. and since the ps2 generation, the lip syncing on american-designed games has been strikingly tight. i think there really is a detectable difference. would it stop me from buying a game? of course not.

I have not played D2 on the Dreamcast. I do wonder though: does your '6 seconds' hypothesis hold up with other games that have been translated? I would guess that although it might have *something* to do with it, it's probably 'bad coding' in that specific game itself (maybe it goes long in Japanese too, or maybe most other games have bothered to stop the talking to match the length of the English but D2's devs didn't bother - something like that).

To be honest, I find the eye movement of the characters in Fallout 3 *far* more distracting than I would any lip syncing issues. Who the hell are they looking at when I'm talking to them! :)

[heybtbm]

Who the hell are they looking at when I'm talking to them! :)

The herd of Deathclaws about to charge you from behind.

[The 1 2 P]

Who the hell are they looking at when I'm talking to them! :)

Maybe they just have a lazy eye....two of them:)

[jcalder8]

I don't mind having only the english track. I always listen to that anyway. Of course it does suck for some people but I think that in NA the 360 version will still outsell the PS3

[scooterb23]

So, now is THIS the final Final Fantasy? Or will there be another final Final Fantasy? And what will they call the final Final Fantasy, since Final Fantasy has already been used?

[The 1 2 P]

I think that in NA the 360 version will still outsell the PS3

This is what I'm betting on too, mainly because of the 360's installed base. For people who have grown up on the final fantasy series the last two generations on Sony's system, I could see them wanting to have the same control sceme. But the 360 version will have achievements and that sometimes sways people's buying purchases. What I really want to know is if theres going to be any kind of online component.

[Lothars]

This is what I'm betting on too, mainly because of the 360's installed base. For people who have grown up on the final fantasy series the last two generations on Sony's system, I could see them wanting to have the same control sceme. But the 360 version will have achievements and that sometimes sways people's buying purchases. What I really want to know is if theres going to be any kind of online component.


I don't think there's any chance of the 360 FFXIII beating the PS3 FFXIII in sales in NA

the 360 is gonna do half if not less sales in NA compared to the PS3.

[The 1 2 P]

I don't think there's any chance of the 360 FFXIII beating the PS3 FFXIII in sales in NA

the 360 is gonna do half if not less sales in NA compared to the PS3.

I just used vgchartz.com to make several comparisons of sell thru data of 360 and PS3 versions of: Resident Evil 5, Street Fighter 4, Burnout Paradise, Soul Calibur 4, Virtua Fighter 5, Fallout 3, Devil May Cry 4, Grand Theft Auto 4 and Unreal Tournament 3. The only games that sold more copies on the PS3 were Virtua Fighter 5 and Unreal Tournament 3. The reason? They were released on the PS3 first(time exclusives).

For 99% of all games that are released multiplatform on the 360 and PS3 on the same day--the 360 version sells more. One needs no further proof than looking at former playstation exclusive brands/titles RE 5 and DMC 4. Neither game has ever been on a Microsoft system before but the first time that they are they both outsold the system brand(Sony) they were raised on. And I'm sure the same thing will happen when Tekken 6 launches later this year, despite being formerly known as a PS exclusive franchise. As for FF13, it may be that 1% that sells better on a Sony system but I seriously doubt it will outsell the 360 version 2 to 1.

[kupomogli]

So, now is THIS the final Final Fantasy? Or will there be another final Final Fantasy? And what will they call the final Final Fantasy, since Final Fantasy has already been used?

There's Final Fantasy Versus 13 and Final Fantasy Agito 13. If you ask me they should just make them different numbers as they're completely different games. Say someone is talking about one of the FF13 games. Which one are you talking about, Versus, Agito, or the actual FF13?

[heybtbm]

This is what I'm betting on too, mainly because of the 360's installed base. For people who have grown up on the final fantasy series the last two generations on Sony's system, I could see them wanting to have the same control sceme. But the 360 version will have achievements and that sometimes sways people's buying purchases. What I really want to know is if theres going to be any kind of online component.

As someone who buys the 360 version of games 99% of the time (over the PS3 version) let me say that I'll be buying the PS3 version of FFXIII. If for nothing more than the 1 disc over "X" number of discs issue. There's also the possibility of other things Square-Enix will leave out they haven't mentioned yet. It's in their best interest not to divulge these things. My guess is the Japanese language track is just the tip of the iceburg.