Wii becomes top-selling video game console in US

[Sabz5150]

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jWvVlokEaXPzBapTncQMTKac24Jw

LOS ANGELES (AFP) — Nintendo said Thursday that its globally popular Wii has become the top-selling video game console in the United States, a crown coveted by rivals Microsoft and Sony.

Market-tracking firm NPD Group reports that 666,000 Wii consoles were sold in the United States in June, raising the total sales count in the country to nearly 10.9 million units.

Will sales eclipsed those of Microsoft's Xbox 360 consoles, which went on the market a year before the Wii was released in November of 2006, according to industry figures.

Earlier this year US sales of Xbox 360 consoles topped 10 million and prompted Microsoft to tout the milestone as a sign Xbox is destined to be more popular than Wii and Sony's PlayStation 3.

The rivals battled this week at an Electronic Entertainment Expo, each claiming to be the inevitable victor in the video game console war.

Wii consoles are credited with expanding the video game market beyond "hardcore gamers" with simple motion-sensing controllers and group-oriented games.

"As we have demonstrated this week during the E3 summit, Wii continues to pioneer new ways for people to interact with their video games and with one another," Nintendo marketing vice president Cammie Dunaway said in a statement.

The Japanese video game giant scored another victory with its DS portable devices, selling more than 783,000 in the United States in June to raise total sales there to 20.8 million units.

[koster]

Market-tracking firm NPD Group reports that 666,000 Wii consoles were sold in the United States in June, raising the total sales count in the country to nearly 10.9 million units.
Sounds like Nintendo made a deal with the devil to put them over the top... LOL

[Sabz5150]

Sounds like Nintendo made a deal with the devil to put them over the top... LOL

I think you have that backwards... Satan just couldn't find a Wii.

[BHvrd]

I think you have that backwards... Satan just couldn't find a Wii.


This and now that mama mia movie. Satan is really on a roll lately!

http://www.playbill.com/images/photos/mammamiastill2.jpg
OH MAMA MIA!

[garagesaleking!!]

are ps3 sales a joke?

[CartCollector]

are ps3 sales a joke?

Pretty much. (http://www.nexgenwars.com/)

[Lostdwarf]

that article will hold value only until 3rd quarter results are in and after E3 nintendo goes spiriling

[Sabz5150]

that article will hold value only until 3rd quarter results are in and after E3 nintendo goes spiriling

With the PS3 still hovering around half a grand and the 360's being less reliable than a Ford Pinto, the Army of Shig still has a chance.

Remember, it prints money. Always has, always will.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

While Wii has the lead in the current gen console war by a small length ...

... TECHNICALLY, the PS2 is still the top selling console in the US still in production ... somewhere close to 50 million in the US and still going.

[carlcarlson]

Where's Rob? "ROB?! Are you in here?"

I actually thought this had happened awhile ago. Pretty impressive.

[josekortez]

This and now that mama mia movie. Satan is really on a roll lately!

http://www.playbill.com/images/photos/mammamiastill2.jpg
OH MAMA MIA!

Don't forget the upcoming sequel to The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. I'm pretty sure he had something to do with that one too.

[Fuyukaze]

No matter how well it sells, it'll always be last place for all the "hardcore" gamers out there. It's Nintendo, that means it must suck reguardless of how many great "casual" games it has. Like No More Heros. Or Baroque. Or Fire Emblem. Those are all casual gamers and everyone knows the PS3's winning liabrary of killer exclusives like Final Fantasy XIII, Grand Theft Auto IV, Devil May Cry 4, and Naruto: Ultimate Ninja are what real gamers want.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Wii, the little console that could.

[smokehouse]

You know...normally I would have said "Good for Nintendo, way to go" but I kind of think of it as ill-gotten gains. Right now the Wii is a paperweight. Mine just sits there waiting for anyhting decent to come out for it...and the big N's E3 showing didn't help my future outlook.

The Wii is selling because it's the Wii...and for little else. What must have aps exist for that thing? For many, their Wii sits there doing nothing.

[Sabz5150]

It all depends... if you're the kind of person who goes into seizures if you don't kill something every three seconds, then yes the Wii will gather dust. However, if the kid that used to "clunk" the livingroom TV over to channel 3 on Saturdays after cartoons were finished still lives inside ya, then the Wii will hold its luster for quite some time.

[Nature Boy]

The Wii is selling because it's the Wii...and for little else.

You make it sound like that's a bad thing. Nintendo put their money where their mouth was, marketed to non-gamers, and are reaping the rewards. Plain and simple.

Now excuse me. It's been 17 seconds since I started this email, so I have about 6 or so things to go kill.

[Icarus Moonsight]

You make it sound like that's a bad thing. Nintendo put their money where their mouth was, marketed to non-gamers, and are reaping the rewards. Plain and simple.

Now excuse me. It's been 17 seconds since I started this email, so I have about 6 or so things to go kill.

Only 6? Slacker! LOL

Seriously, I knew this thing had more than a fair chance to flop. All it required was complete rejection of the controls. I believe most people are satisfied with their systems. The only thing harder to find in stores than a New Wii is a used one (I've seen two used and dozens new). If they were sitting around and collecting dust then people would sell them, at profit in most instances no less. I know it's fun to transpose your own opinion onto the general public, but in reality, it just doesn't work consistently. I for one am glad that it is doing well. It would really have stung for both of the last two consoles I have been extremely excited about at launch to be commercial duds (DC was the other, if you couldn't guess that).

[Nature Boy]

Only 6? Slacker!

Have you seen my Halo 3 service record? I kinda stink :)


I know it's fun to transpose your own opinion onto the general public, but in reality, it just doesn't work consistently.

Or at all really (I've got zero interest in the Wii personally, and could list the reasons I think it should have flopped). But as a guy who still loves the Nintendo machines I do have I'm happy to see the big N finally figuring things out.

[Melf]

No matter how well it sells, it'll always be last place for all the "hardcore" gamers out there. It's Nintendo, that means it must suck reguardless of how many great "casual" games it has. Like No More Heros. Or Baroque. Or Fire Emblem. Those are all casual gamers and everyone knows the PS3's winning liabrary of killer exclusives like Final Fantasy XIII, Grand Theft Auto IV, Devil May Cry 4, and Naruto: Ultimate Ninja are what real gamers want.

Why are you complaining? Animal Crossing is coming to Wii! Reggie said hardcore gamers should love that.

[ooXxXoo]

While Wii has the lead in the current gen console war by a small length ...

... TECHNICALLY, the PS2 is still the top selling console in the US still in production ... somewhere close to 50 million in the US and still going.

Yeah`....No wonder.....The Ps2's keep breaking(they don't last very long).... People just replace them instead fixing them(which will be pretty much about the same cost for a new one).....I remember the very first time when I saw the PS2 internal cd-rom drive, I thought it was some sort of joke..
What ever happened to "ITS A SONY".....

[Cryomancer]

It all depends... if you're the kind of person who goes into seizures if you don't kill something every three seconds, then yes the Wii will gather dust. However, if the kid that used to "clunk" the livingroom TV over to channel 3 on Saturdays after cartoons were finished still lives inside ya, then the Wii will hold its luster for quite some time.

I disagree. I'm one of those kids and I find hardly any use for my Wii either. I get a game once every few months, play it for awhile, and either beat it because they are mostly short, or just get tired of the replay because there was no length to begin with. I don't mind zero game play length in my arcade games or something but for a modern console? Just seems sort of lazy. Wii Sports gets old. Space Harrier doesn't. Meanwhile on my 360 there are games I can't find enough time to complete...

[tom]

you know, i read in Game Over that nintendo vastly over exaggerates their own hardware (and software) sales, and to tell you the truth, who wouldn't. pinch of salt, guys

[Sabz5150]

I disagree. I'm one of those kids and I find hardly any use for my Wii either. I get a game once every few months, play it for awhile, and either beat it because they are mostly short, or just get tired of the replay because there was no length to begin with. I don't mind zero game play length in my arcade games or something but for a modern console? Just seems sort of lazy. Wii Sports gets old. Space Harrier doesn't. Meanwhile on my 360 there are games I can't find enough time to complete...

Dunno, guess it depends on the kid :)

I get plenty of use out of my Wii. I'll play Geometry Wars until I have tunnel vision... Baroque is the Nethack that I don't need to play sitting six inches from the screen. WiiWare and the VC are excellent (Gley Lancer!!! Shig demands a 9 dollar sacrifice!). The wifey uses it a lot for Fit, but that right there is all her. I don't do the 'be one with the universe, bend yourself into a pretzel' style of exercise.

I'm the kinda gamer that doesn't see the purpose in playing military FPS after military FPS after military FPS after military FPS after... you get the point. Nor do I give a rat's severed backside about 'achievement awards' or how many racial slurs I can sling over the internet. Not my thing.

There's also the fact that I will not drop another dime on anything bearing the name "Microsoft" ever again. I've dealt with their crap since Windows 3.0 and it's always the same story... pretty but broken. Honestly, HOW is the 360's failure rate acceptable? HOW? To you "hardcore gamers" it might be an annoyance, but to me it's the same old song and dance, and I'm sitting this one out. I can't spend that kind of cash on a crapshoot.

To each their own I suppose.

[joedick]

you know, i read in Game Over that nintendo vastly over exaggerates their own hardware (and software) sales, and to tell you the truth, who wouldn't. pinch of salt, guys

I don't doubt that in the past Nintendo have inflated their numbers, and probably still do in some cases. But the numbers they're talking about here are based on NPD data.

[Nature Boy]

you know, i read in Game Over that nintendo vastly over exaggerates their own hardware (and software) sales, and to tell you the truth, who wouldn't.

Exactly - they all do it to some degree. But the NPD numbers are supposed to be publisher independent.

BTW ooXxXoo: thanks for the 'busted PS2' comment. It's been awhile since I've read one of those. Ahhh, those were the days...

[SegaAges]

Hahaha, haters. Most all of you fanboys are just mad because your precious SUPER UBER INCREDI-SYSTEM that plays 105 different movie types, blu-ray compatibility, and will also function as a house alarm, fire alarm, theft deterent, and drive your kids to school still can't beat Nintendo.

Do I own a Wii? No, I don't like the games on it. It has Nights and Sonic. I am not buying a htf system just because of 2 games. Yes, I said Nights and Sonic. I own Sonic for 360 and love it. I have beaten it multiple times over.

I talk with my friends about this all the time. The Wii is the new iPod. Many "hardcore gamers" if that is what you call it, are like me and don't play Wii because there is not enough stuff to shoot in the head.

You guys need to remember, this is Nintendo. Yes, they were slacking in sales with the Gamecube, even tough the cube was awesome. Until ps1 absolutely exploded, n64 dominated. SNES, yeah. NES, uh, yeah. Sure they had their flukes like the vb, but they made up for it with the gb, gbc, gba, ds.

Nintendo dominates whether you like it or not, and this is coming from a Sega fanboy. Seriously, you can hate all you want, but remember who this is. They know what they are doing. Uh, yeah, the numbers speak for themselves.

Do I need to bring out the Vin Deisel lines from fast and furious about winning when he raced that dude that was in the movie Running Scared? Yeah, winning is winning.

Do I agree with it? Of course I don't.

I still don't like the fact that people who are not computer saavy use computers as much as I do, and some use them even more than I do, and I am in front of a computer, on average, 8-10 hours a day, every single day.

This is the same situation. People get mad because their geeky-ness is mainstream now. There is a shirt that says, "Don't laugh at me. Computers are cool now." It is because they are. Video games and computers hit mainstream. It is not what we are used to, but we need to deal with it. Fanboys can cry all they want, but it is not going to change anything.

Cookin Mama, Diner Dash, Bejeweled, Pokemon, Mario Party, and Mario Kart say that fanboys need to chill, because they all came to mainstream (I pretty much just spouted off my kid sister's entire library of video games, hahaha).

Every system is different. Not every next gen does what we want. You want something arcadey, uh, DC, of course, but there is also the 360. PS3 doesn't have as many arcade games. You want to pwn some newbs on some seriously intense graphics, maybe something very strategic, the ps3 is your ace in the hole. You want to get your family involved with games, then bust out the Wii.

If you don't like it, well, then tell the millions who bought one why they are bad. Yeah, I know they just sit in a corner for most people, but the fact is that they bought it, got a new good game or 2, played through them, and now they are not buying games for it. Do not deny the Wii though, it has some good games. Trauma Center, Twilight Princess, Mario Kart. That is only 3, but I shouldn't have to name off every good game for the Wii. If you don't know, check up my friend.

So chill out fanboys. And yes, the only thing holding me back from a ps3 right now is the fact that 90% of the games I want are also coming out for 360. ps3's are sweet, but I will not deny Nintendo for their insane strategy.

Like Wii Music, which I like to call Guitar Hero for people that don't even have enough rhythm to play guitar hero on easy, but the thing is, mainstream people will eat that game up dude. Wii Fit anybody? I say if you want to get fit, get on a damn treadmill. but look at how much Wii Fit goes for on eBay.

Nintendo hit it good. I will say it, congrats Nintendo. Sure people buy it for the hype and then not play it, but honestly, it is working regardless of how much it gets played, but then again, my sister plays her Wii almost every single day. My older brother plays his Wii almost every day. Lucky for me, I don't have to get one anytime soon since they both have them.

[tom]

Didn't we coin 'fanboys' for the Nintendo geezers?

Mind you, Sony still has the worlds two best selling consoles, PSX and PS2, Nintendo will never reach that. Sony's not worried.

[CartCollector]

Mind you, Sony still has the worlds two best selling consoles, PSX and PS2,

Yeah, but that's the past. The billion-dollar question is whether Sony can maintain that lead into the future, and also whether they can make money off of it. Selling consoles at a slower rate than your competitors and at a loss is not a good start.

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Yeah, but that's the past.

Unfortunately, what I eluded to earlier ...

... the PS2 is NOT the past for Sony, it's still part of the current, GLOBALLY.

While it is technically a "last-gen" system, the thing is STILL in production and still tracks sales-wise with the three "current gen" systems in terms of sales.

It's a double-edged sword for Sony, as I'm sure they'd LOVE to leave it in the dust and move their entire core audience forward to a PS3 ... but on the other hand, it does NOT sell at a loss like their PS3, so it's doing a lot to maintain their game hardware/software division financially.

This is what Ninendo was going through towards the end of the SNES into the N64 era with the Gameboy ... they actually wanted to get out of the handheld market for a breif period (pre-Pokemon) and only through robust sales and retailer/consumer demand did they decide keep the Gameboy brand alive, and eventually evolve the hardware (and I'm sure we're all glad that they did)!

[djbeatmongrel]

This thread hurts my brain. People need to stop yelling and being haters and/or fanboys. Just shut up and play what ever system you feel suits your needs.

*scuttles off to play his wii*

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

SPAGETT!

... What? Is somebody there?

Spagett! ... sp ... spagett.

[diskoboy]

Too bad I sold mine due to the craptacular lack of decent software.

And if Nintendo keeps it up, alot of these are gonna end up in pawn shops or used games stores, within a year.

I'm pretty much done with Nintendo, from here on out. I seriously doubt I will ever buy another Nintendo console, ever again, after 3 straight generations of disappointment.

[Icarus Moonsight]

I'm pretty much done with Nintendo, from here on out. I seriously doubt I will ever buy another Nintendo console, ever again...

I've been hearing that for the last 10 years... hell, I said as much during the N64 years. Yet, here we are and there it is. Funny huh?

[boatofcar]

Too bad I sold mine due to the craptacular lack of decent software.



DING! (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1401709&postcount=68)

[Icarus Moonsight]

C-7! Holy shit, it's a hit!
You sunk my post! LOL

[SegaAges]

DING! (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1401709&postcount=68)

That actually made me a little hungry.

[joedick]

Are people seriously this upset with Nintendo because its executives gave a bad presentation? Yeah, their conference was was pretty terrible, but there's still solid stuff coming out for the system (even from Nintendo).

Nintendo's path was pretty clear from the get-go. If it ain't your thing, there are two other options for you. Gaming's not dead, so what's up with all the drama?

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Are people seriously this upset with Nintendo because its executives gave a bad presentation? Yeah, their conference was was pretty terrible, but there's still solid stuff coming out for the system (even from Nintendo).

Nintendo's path was pretty clear from the get-go. If it ain't your thing, there are two other options for you. Gaming's not dead, so what's up with all the drama?

Personally I could care less.

It's great when a company makes a great presentation ... but when they go out there and tank ... or induce cringes from the gaming collective with stupid antics like Nintendo (and Microsoft) did this year ... it just serves for amusing discussion for the next few weeks and good comics from Penny-Arcade and other game press pundits.

It's not like Nintendo is going to stop innovating or making great 1st party software to the point where people should be selling off their Wii and DS'es over it ... it just means that it was a shitty day in terms of news and/or announcements.

[diskoboy]

DING! (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1401709&postcount=68)

Throw some chili on that....

And yes - it's gone. The only thing I have left is my SD card, which is now sitting in my camera. I kept saying I was gonna do it because I wanted to give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt.

They blew it at E3. It was gone the day after the Nintendo Press conference - no hesitations. The Wii was overhyped - plain and simple.

[Nature Boy]

They blew it at E3. It was gone the day after the Nintendo Press conference - no hesitations.

Was the press conference *really* your final decision making tool? Like if they had blown you away with offerings, or at the very least shown something you would've found interesting, you would've kept it? Even though you (apparently) hated the thing up to that point?

[diskoboy]

Was the press conference *really* your final decision making tool? Like if they had blown you away with offerings, or at the very least shown something you would've found interesting, you would've kept it? Even though you (apparently) hated the thing up to that point?

As I said - I was willing to give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt. But after playing all the Wii's triple A titles (mario, zelda, and Metroid), I was still a little less than impressed.

So I Decided to wait and see what Nintendo had lined up for 2009. And I thought the software selection shown at E3 looked horrible. So I sold it, and all my games.

If a slew of good games come out for it, I may consider (key word there) another one in the future, after a sharp price drop. But at this rate, it seems Nintendo has alot of catching up to do.

[Tommy]

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jWvVlokEaXPzBapTncQMTKac24Jw

LOS ANGELES (AFP) — Nintendo said Thursday that its globally popular Wii has become the top-selling video game console in the United States, a crown coveted by rivals Microsoft and Sony.

Market-tracking firm NPD Group reports that 666,000 Wii consoles were sold in the United States in June, raising the total sales count in the country to nearly 10.9 million units.

Will sales eclipsed those of Microsoft's Xbox 360 consoles, which went on the market a year before the Wii was released in November of 2006, according to industry figures.

Earlier this year US sales of Xbox 360 consoles topped 10 million and prompted Microsoft to tout the milestone as a sign Xbox is destined to be more popular than Wii and Sony's PlayStation 3.

The rivals battled this week at an Electronic Entertainment Expo, each claiming to be the inevitable victor in the video game console war.

Wii consoles are credited with expanding the video game market beyond "hardcore gamers" with simple motion-sensing controllers and group-oriented games.

"As we have demonstrated this week during the E3 summit, Wii continues to pioneer new ways for people to interact with their video games and with one another," Nintendo marketing vice president Cammie Dunaway said in a statement.

The Japanese video game giant scored another victory with its DS portable devices, selling more than 783,000 in the United States in June to raise total sales there to 20.8 million units.

That's precious :|

[willowmoon93]

No matter how well it sells, it'll always be last place for all the "hardcore" gamers out there. It's Nintendo, that means it must suck reguardless of how many great "casual" games it has. Like No More Heros. Or Baroque. Or Fire Emblem. Those are all casual gamers and everyone knows the PS3's winning liabrary of killer exclusives like Final Fantasy XIII, Grand Theft Auto IV, Devil May Cry 4, and Naruto: Ultimate Ninja are what real gamers want.


Yeah but Final Fantasy XIII apparently won't be an exclusive on PS3....link below....

http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2008/07/14/final-fantasy-xiii-coming-to-xbox-360-in-simultaneous-launch

[Melf]

Methinks you missed the sarcasm.

[willowmoon93]

Yep you're right. It really has been a long day. Time to resume sleeping.

[TheDomesticInstitution]

Where's Rob? "ROB?! Are you in here?"

I actually thought this had happened awhile ago. Pretty impressive.


I know right? 46 posts in a Wii (sales figure) related thread, with a fair amount of Nintendo bashing and still no Rob? He must be sick or something.

[randomuser83]

Surprisingly not surprised by this actually lol. The demand here alone caused anticipation for more consoles.

[Rob2600]

46 posts in a Wii (sales figure) related thread, with a fair amount of Nintendo bashing and still no Rob? He must be sick or something.

I'm not sick, I've been busy getting ready to move into a new apartment.

Also, I'm bored with discussing hardcore gamers vs. casual gamers. I'm bored with discussing the merits of the Wii, too. There are plenty of great Wii games...games that fit the standard mold and games that offer something new. I admit, people who are graphics enthusiasts first and video gamers second will want to avoid the Wii. People who are video gamers first and graphics enthusiasts second will have a lot of fun with it though.

Some people think the Wii stinks, but because of the Wii, my girlfriend is now a gamer. Up until seven months ago, she hardly ever played video games, but now she enjoys playing Mario Kart Wii, Pinball Hall of Fame: The Williams Collection, Link's Crossbow Training, Dr. Mario Online, Wii Sports, Kororinpa Marble Mania, and LostWinds. She was also really into Zack & Wiki.

Some of those games are considered hardcore, while others are considered casual. So, which kind of gamer is she? Which kind of gamer am I?

The answer doesn't matter to me. I grew up playing arcade-style games on the Atari 2600 like Frogger, Missile Command, Breakout, and Berzerk. As game consoles became more advanced, I wanted to play longer, more advanced games. My interest in complex, in-depth games peaked with the Nintendo 64.

It was probably a combination of my tastes changing and not having as much free time as before, but when I got my GameCube, I went back to playing arcade-style games like Burnout 2, Beach Spikers, Wave Race, and WarioWare Inc.

That's why to me, the Wii is great. Yes, there are "normal," in-depth, complex games like Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Call of Duty, etc., but at this stage in my life, I'm less interested in interactive movies and more interested in actual games, like the ones I used to play on the Atari 2600. As impressive as titles like Grand Theft Auto IV may be, these days I get more enjoyment out of playing Dr. Mario Online, Mercury Meltdown Revolution, Ghost Squad, and Mario Kart.

Yes, I'm curious about upcoming titles like The Conduit, MadWorld, and Dead Rising for the Wii, but purely from a technological and artistic standpoint. As far as fun goes, I'm more excited about games like Wario Land, de Blob, Guitar Hero: World Tour, and Wii Sports Resort.

While some people may continue to call the Wii weak or casual, I'll continue to have fun playing games on it. Who wants to play me in Dr. Mario Online?

[Cryomancer]

Dunno, guess it depends on the kid :)

I get plenty of use out of my Wii. I'll play Geometry Wars until I have tunnel vision... Baroque is the Nethack that I don't need to play sitting six inches from the screen. WiiWare and the VC are excellent (Gley Lancer!!! Shig demands a 9 dollar sacrifice!). The wifey uses it a lot for Fit, but that right there is all her. I don't do the 'be one with the universe, bend yourself into a pretzel' style of exercise.

I'm the kinda gamer that doesn't see the purpose in playing military FPS after military FPS after military FPS after military FPS after... you get the point. Nor do I give a rat's severed backside about 'achievement awards' or how many racial slurs I can sling over the internet. Not my thing.

There's also the fact that I will not drop another dime on anything bearing the name "Microsoft" ever again. I've dealt with their crap since Windows 3.0 and it's always the same story... pretty but broken. Honestly, HOW is the 360's failure rate acceptable? HOW? To you "hardcore gamers" it might be an annoyance, but to me it's the same old song and dance, and I'm sitting this one out. I can't spend that kind of cash on a crapshoot.

To each their own I suppose.


So because I enjoy my 360 I must only play military FPS games? Hardly. I don't own a single 360 FPS (well, someone here bought Shadowrun for 5 bucks, but it ain't my copy), and the FPS games I *do* play are the unrealistic ones (like...well, unreal. and tf2). Achievements? I don't "care" about collecting them really either, but they do get me to do stuff I wouldn't otherwise bother trying out in a game sometimes. Voice chat idiots? Mute em. Or better yet, don't play with them to begin with and play with your friends. Many of the problems you see with the 360 are somewhat offbase I think. The hardware issues are a real problem, but are always improving, and they fix the damn things for free anyway.

I kinda don't appreciate the tone you are giving off. Somehow because I can enjoy the 360's library (and for the record I don't really play the "big" titles either) versus the Wii's library that I find ultimately lacking I am somehow am some sort of perspective-lacking crazy person? This is what your post seems to imply to me. I realize I am likely over dramatizing and getting defensive here, but I felt the need to point it out anyway. Wii just isn't doing it for me yet. I hope someday it does. But I think it's got a fair number of poor decisions going on and lots of little minor annoyances that build up, all compounded by it's not-so-hot library. I hope someday there will be enough good games (to my perspective) on the Wii for me to enjoy it as much as you do.

ok enough ranting from me drama mode off. and most likely, i myself need to look deeper into the wii's library as well.

[Nature Boy]

So, which kind of gamer is she?

Will she be first in line to buy Wii 2? Does she whine that not enough Japanese dating sims make it to the shores of North America? Would she be playing any 'obscure' games if you didn't have them sitting around the house in the first place? Is it really that tough for you to pigeon-hole her between casual and hardcore?


I admit, people who are graphics enthusiasts first and video gamers second will want to avoid the Wii. People who are video gamers first and graphics enthusiasts second will have a lot of fun with it though.

Isn't this just stereotyping nonsense? The only real difference between you and I, as gamers, is that I've chosen to put my money into Microsoft's piggy bank, and you've chosen to put yours in Nintendo's.

I chose Microsoft not because I'm a 'graphics enthusiast,' but because they were (a) cheaper than a PS3, (b) had games I knew I'd enjoy, and (c) the Wii thing seemed gimmicky to me, more like a peripheral I should buy and play a couple of games with, rather than something I wanted a system to revolve around.

You chose Nintendo not because you are 'video games first' kinda guy, but because (I assume) you enjoy the games they make, you enjoy their characters, and you knew the type of games you wanted to play would be available to you. Plus I imagine the cost difference was *very* appealing :)

The funniest part I find about the whole 'graphics enthusiast' bit is that I'm here because I'm a retro-gamer. My favourite system of all time, including the 360, is my Atari 800 XL. Not exactly an era or a machine that a graphics first kinda guy/gal would gravitate too, don't you think?

[Lothars]

While some people may continue to call the Wii weak or casual, I'll continue to have fun playing games on it. Who wants to play me in Dr. Mario Online?

That's the thing though, the Wii is really lacking in the compelling software department, it has the main Nintendo games but It's just really dissapointing

Though I do like Dr.Mario Online and would be willing to play with you, ill get you my friends code but I honestly can't see why the Wii sells as much as it does especially with how meh the software lineup is.

[Sabz5150]

So because I enjoy my 360 I must only play military FPS games? Hardly. I don't own a single 360 FPS (well, someone here bought Shadowrun for 5 bucks, but it ain't my copy), and the FPS games I *do* play are the unrealistic ones (like...well, unreal. and tf2). Achievements? I don't "care" about collecting them really either, but they do get me to do stuff I wouldn't otherwise bother trying out in a game sometimes. Voice chat idiots? Mute em. Or better yet, don't play with them to begin with and play with your friends. Many of the problems you see with the 360 are somewhat offbase I think. The hardware issues are a real problem, but are always improving, and they fix the damn things for free anyway.

I kinda don't appreciate the tone you are giving off. Somehow because I can enjoy the 360's library (and for the record I don't really play the "big" titles either) versus the Wii's library that I find ultimately lacking I am somehow am some sort of perspective-lacking crazy person? This is what your post seems to imply to me. I realize I am likely over dramatizing and getting defensive here, but I felt the need to point it out anyway. Wii just isn't doing it for me yet. I hope someday it does. But I think it's got a fair number of poor decisions going on and lots of little minor annoyances that build up, all compounded by it's not-so-hot library. I hope someday there will be enough good games (to my perspective) on the Wii for me to enjoy it as much as you do.

ok enough ranting from me drama mode off. and most likely, i myself need to look deeper into the wii's library as well.

Wow, everyone can shit all over the Wii and its games, but the instant someone rants on the 360, all hell breaks loose.

Over dramatizing? Yes, and far over the top. You're taking my attack upon a console and its general population as an attack upon you. I'm kinda new, but I think there's a beefy-calmy meme that needs to be inserted here in respect to your rant. If I can take the hits that people dish out concerning the Wii and not get my panties in a bunch, I would expect you to be able to do the same when it comes to potshots taken at the 360. Anything else would be... fanboyish.

Great, they fix their constantly breaking product. Dealerships will repair your car if it's under warranty, but that doesn't help the fact that you're without a ride until it's fixed. Again, I buy a console to play games, not to ship back and forth. The hardware problem with the 360 is UNACCEPTABLE. I don't care if Atlus and NIS both decided to publish exclusively for the 360... I still wouldn't buy it.

I'm glad you break the mold. Seriously. You aren't the typical "hardcore" gamer. Therefore you are exempt from the majority of my previous rant. However, you must admit that I was pretty much on target with the 360's main audience. Any other reason why Halo and Gears of War are two of it's BIGGEST (if not THE biggest) flagship titles?

[Rob2600]

I chose Microsoft not because I'm a 'graphics enthusiast,' but because they were (a) cheaper than a PS3, (b) had games I knew I'd enjoy, and (c) the Wii thing seemed gimmicky to me, more like a peripheral I should buy and play a couple of games with, rather than something I wanted a system to revolve around.

You chose Nintendo not because you are 'video games first' kinda guy, but because (I assume) you enjoy the games they make, you enjoy their characters, and you knew the type of games you wanted to play would be available to you. Plus I imagine the cost difference was *very* appealing :)

When I wrote this:

"I admit, people who are graphics enthusiasts first and video gamers second will want to avoid the Wii. People who are video gamers first and graphics enthusiasts second will have a lot of fun with it though."

it had nothing to do with the Xbox 360 or the PlayStation 3. I didn't mean it as an attack on anyone and there was no hidden meaning. I meant it exactly as I wrote it: people who are preoccupied with cutting-edge, 1080p graphics should avoid the Wii. They won't be satisfied with it. However, people who aren't preoccupied with HD graphics will be able to enjoy the Wii for what it is.

For example, there are several good first-person shooters on the Wii (Metroid Prime 3, Medal of Honor Heroes, Call of Duty, etc.), but some people will never take them seriously because the graphics aren't in HD. Other people don't care about HD graphics and are able to have fun playing those games. It depends on what the person's main interest is, graphics and technology or actual gaming. People who put graphics before gaming may not even be aware they're doing it.


You're right though, I wanted a Wii because I knew the type of games I wanted to play would be available to me and I don't care about HD graphics at this point in my life. I also refuse to pay $300+ on what is basically a toy...a very fancy, high-tech toy, but still a toy.

[Melf]

I'm glad you break the mold. Seriously. You aren't the typical "hardcore" gamer. Therefore you are exempt from the majority of my previous rant. However, you must admit that I was pretty much on target with the 360's main audience. Any other reason why Halo and Gears of War are two of it's BIGGEST (if not THE biggest) flagship titles?

You sprayed cliches all over the place with that comment, much like when the anti-Wii say that only soccer moms and kids like Nintendo. Perhaps both are true to some extent, you can't complain about one extreme while defending the other.

That's the problem with today's consoles: they only cater to certain tastes. The 360 is made for people who like to blow shit up and buy lots of games to do it. The Wii isn't made for people who buy a lot of games a year; it simply isn't. Nintendo doesn't care about this, as it's making money hand over fist with its own software and hardware. I remember pondering the lack of major 3rd party exclusives on the Wii well over a year ago, and people here telling me that 1) developers were taken by surprise by the Wii's success, 2) they had to get used to the console, and then 3) developing good games take time.

Here we are over a year later and I'm still asking the same question. Nintendo's paltry offerings at E3 suggested it doesn't give a shit about 3rd party sales, and the recent report by Game Informer (http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/72001AF8-567B-4632-B2D9-08C444FBFA60.htm) that it didn't even bother to notify them about WiiMotionPlus proves it. That's why there's so much shovelware on the Wii, and it's why whenever Nintendo pimps Wii games to "core gamers" it only mentions Zelda and Mario. It's because there are no other big 3rd party exclusives, and there won't be.

The gamers who loved action titles are finding them on the 360 and PS3. Nintendo has a whole other audience now, and there's nothing fanboyish about not liking who it's catering to. I like playing games with my wife, but hell, I like a lot of games she doesn't, and almost none of those are on the Wii.

[Rob2600]

The Wii isn't made for people who buy a lot of games a year; it simply isn't. Nintendo doesn't care about this, as it's making money hand over fist with its own software and hardware. I remember pondering the lack of major 3rd party exclusives on the Wii well over a year ago, and people here telling me that 1) developers were taken by surprise by the Wii's success, 2) they had to get used to the console, and then 3) developing good games take time.

There are already several dozen great games for the Wii and its only been out for roughly a year-and-a-half. Between all of the different consoles you own, how many games could you possibly play per week that you need more than that?


Nintendo's paltry offerings at E3 suggested it doesn't give a shit about 3rd party sales, and the recent report by Game Informer (http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/72001AF8-567B-4632-B2D9-08C444FBFA60.htm) that it didn't even bother to notify them about WiiMotionPlus proves it.

The first MotionPlus game, Wii Sports Resort, is being released nine months from now. I think nine months is plenty of time for third party developers to implement MotionPlus controls in their games.

[Sabz5150]

You sprayed cliches all over the place with that comment, much like when the anti-Wii say that only soccer moms and kids like Nintendo. Perhaps both are true to some extent, you can't complain about one extreme while defending the other.

Cliche or not, does it make it any less true?

I didn't defend the Wii. Aiming my crosshairs at console A does NOT mean I am defending console B. It means that's where I am firing at this point in time.

You want me to take aim at the Wii? Absolutely! One word: Shovelware. If I were to pick up ten random Wii titles, at least seven would be utter shovelware crap... people looking to ride the Wii's coattails, not knowing they're the ones holding it back! Just like what happened to the 2600 in the end. Also explain why I only have four pages for "channels", which I can't even fill before the internal storage is maxed. I find it annoying that I need to offload my WiiWare titles just to add new savegame space. Something is seriously wrong with that picture.


That's the problem with today's consoles: they only cater to certain tastes. The 360 is made for people who like to blow shit up and buy lots of games to do it. The Wii isn't made for people who buy a lot of games a year; it simply isn't. Nintendo doesn't care about this, as it's making money hand over fist with its own software and hardware. I remember pondering the lack of major 3rd party exclusives on the Wii well over a year ago, and people here telling me that 1) developers were taken by surprise by the Wii's success, 2) they had to get used to the console, and then 3) developing good games take time.

Nintendo has lacked major third party support since the N64. This is not new.

1 and 3 are correct. 2, not so much. It's an amped Cube. The problem I see is that developers are scrambling to release ANYTHING to ride the wave, and nine times out of ten, they are nearly FORCING it to work with the mote-n-chuck. Seriously devs, it's called a classic controller. Just because there's a waggle stick doesn't mean every single thing needs to use it. Prime example: Smash Bros. How high did Wavebird prices skyrocket?


Here we are over a year later and I'm still asking the same question. Nintendo's paltry offerings at E3 suggested it doesn't give a shit about 3rd party sales, and the recent report by Game Informer (http://www.gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/72001AF8-567B-4632-B2D9-08C444FBFA60.htm) that it didn't even bother to notify them about WiiMotionPlus proves it. That's why there's so much shovelware on the Wii, and it's why whenever Nintendo pimps Wii games to "core gamers" it only mentions Zelda and Mario. It's because there are no other big 3rd party exclusives, and there won't be.

Gameinformer? Long walk, short pier. Nuff said. However what you mention is spot on... Shig is causing his own downfall with "MY CONSOLE, MY RULES!".


The gamers who loved action titles are finding them on the 360 and PS3. Nintendo has a whole other audience now, and there's nothing fanboyish about not liking who it's catering to. I like playing games with my wife, but hell, I like a lot of games she doesn't, and almost none of those are on the Wii.

No, there's nothing fanboyish about not liking who $CONSOLE caters to, but there IS when you take an attack upon a console and its demographic as a personal one. However that is not our discussion. I agree that Nintendo is 99% out in left field with their games, but there are a few shining examples that put me on the Wii.

Then there's the Homebrew Channel... the gift from the gods it is :D

[Melf]

There are already several dozen great games for the Wii and its only been out for roughly a year-and-a-half. Between all of the different consoles you own, how many games could you possibly play per week that you need more than that?

If I only owned a Wii, that would be enough to keep me interested, but as I said, there are other major 3rd party releases on the other consoles that aren't coming to the Wii, and even those (like Rock Band) are better on 360 and PS3. Looking at the line up for the rest of the year, there's perhaps one Wii game that interests me, and it's of course, a Nintendo game (Animal Crossing), while there are almost a half dozen 3rd party titles coming to 360 and PS3 that I want. That's what I meant about Nintendo no longer catering to my tastes, hence my decision to sell my Wii.


The first MotionPlus game, Wii Sports Resort, is being released nine months from now. I think nine months is plenty of time for third party developers to implement MotionPlus controls in their games.

Most 3rd parties don't agree with you, since a lot of their games will be too deep in development to implement it. So you're going to see yet another Nintendo innovation that no one but Nintendo will really use for another year. Sounds familiar.


You want me to take aim at the Wii? Absolutely! One word: Shovelware. If I were to pick up ten random Wii titles, at least seven would be utter shovelware crap... people looking to ride the Wii's coattails, not knowing they're the ones holding it back! Just like what happened to the 2600 in the end. Also explain why I only have four pages for "channels", which I can't even fill before the internal storage is maxed. I find it annoying that I need to offload my WiiWare titles just to add new savegame space. Something is seriously wrong with that picture.

Just do like Nintendo's VP said (http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/07/nintendos-cammi.html): delete old stuff to make room for new stuff!


We don't have any storage solutions to announce at this E3. I know what we do in my household, which is to focus on the new game, because we're always kind of excited, "OK, what's going on WiiWare this week?" So we delete the old games that we're not using, knowing that they're always going to be there if we want to go back. It seems to be kind of a trade for a lot of gamers, that they want the newest, the freshest and they'll play that for a while.

[Sabz5150]

Just do like Nintendo's VP said (http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/07/nintendos-cammi.html): delete old stuff to make room for new stuff!

:bad-words::bad-words::bad-words: That's my response to Mr. VP. Come ON, it has USB... how hard would it be to add in mass storage support?

This is an issue that Nintendo needs to address, and it only gets worse with every passing week.

[Melf]

I tried to download some VC games today and ran out of space. I got this message:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k219/jpopstar/Games%20related/Bitchyoureoutofmemory.jpg

:p

[carlcarlson]

There are already several dozen great games for the Wii and its only been out for roughly a year-and-a-half.

I can think of roughly ten... but in the context of a year and a half, that really doesn't seem so bad. I think the problem is that almost all of the games I think of as being "good" are straight from Nintendo. They are the only ones who seem to know how to take advantage of the hardware.

[Sabz5150]

I tried to download some VC games today and ran out of space. I got this message:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k219/jpopstar/Games%20related/Bitchyoureoutofmemory.jpg

:p

LOL LOL LOL

Hell, I'd be happy if I could pop in an SD card with my games on it and have them appear in the channel listing.

[Rob2600]

I can think of roughly ten... but in the context of a year and a half, that really doesn't seem so bad. I think the problem is that almost all of the games I think of as being "good" are straight from Nintendo. They are the only ones who seem to know how to take advantage of the hardware.

To be fair, plenty of third party Wii games have gotten great review scores, too:

Top 30 Wii games and Bottom 40 Wii games (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109135)

BlastWorks
Boom Blox
Final Fantasy Fables
No More Heroes
Pinball Hall of Fame
Pro Evolution Soccer 2008
Zack & Wiki

...just to name a few. In fact, half of the top ten Wii games are from third parties. More than half of the top twenty Wii games are from third parties. How does that equate to a lack of good third party Wii games?

Now, if some people are mainly interested in gratuitously violent games, then they'd probably consider the Wii's library disappointing, but that doesn't automatically mean tamer games like Pinball Hall of Fame, Lego Star Wars, Boom Blox, or Pro Evolution Soccer are bad.


It's interesting: on the Atari 2600, my friends and I enjoyed playing macho games like Vanguard, Defender, and Demon Attack, but we also enjoyed playing games like Circus Atari, Bowling, and Frogger. On the NES, we enjoyed macho games like Contra, Commando, and Double Dragon, but we also enjoyed games like Tetris, Arkanoid, and Track & Field. Games didn't have to be macho or violent for us to have fun.

It seems like ever since the PlayStation took over in 1997 though, more and more gamers feel the opposite. "This N64 game looks like a cartoon, therefore the N64 is too childish for a macho guy like me." Oh well, many guys missed out on a bunch of highly-rated classics on the N64. What's funny is there were many more cartoony games on the PlayStation than there were on the N64 (Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, Miss Spider's Tea Party, Flintstones Bowling, Spice World, etc.), but of course, the N64 was deemed "kiddie," while the PlayStation was deemed "mature." It didn't make sense.

I'm secure enough to admit that many cartoony games are great. That's why I'm fine with the Wii. No More Heroes, The Godfather, and Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles are fun, but so are LostWinds, Mario Kart, and Kororinpa Marble Mania.


Anyway, like I wrote in a previous post, this has become boring to me. Some people refuse to accept the fact that there are plenty of good Wii games. No matter how many times I point out highly-rated titles, a week later, they forget and go back to insisting there are no good Wii games. It's weird how some people get selective amnesia.


Most 3rd parties don't agree with you, since a lot of their games will be too deep in development to implement it. So you're going to see yet another Nintendo innovation that no one but Nintendo will really use for another year.

I don't know, to me nine months seems like a huge amount of time to refine the controls in a game via MotionPlus. We'll see what happens next spring.



explain why I only have four pages for "channels", which I can't even fill before the internal storage is maxed. I find it annoying that I need to offload my WiiWare titles just to add new savegame space.


Come ON, it has USB... how hard would it be to add in mass storage support?

I agree. As I've written before, a simple solution would be to allow users to plug a USB memory stick into the back of the Wii. That would give users up to 16 GB of additional storage in one fool-proof step. It couldn't possibly get any simpler than that.

[JunkTheMagicDragon]

Anyway, like I wrote in a previous post, this has become boring to me. Some people refuse to accept the fact that there are plenty of good Wii games. No matter how many times I point out highly-rated titles, a week later, they forget and go back to insisting there are no good Wii games. It's weird how some people get selective amnesia.

i think a lot of the "there's no good games"/"there's plenty of good games" disagreements would be resolved with a few changes in wording.

like when i say there's not a lot of good games on the wii, what i really mean is that there aren't a lot of good games for me. if someone's really into the nintendo franchises and doesn't have another console for cross-plat titles, i could see the wii being an attractive (and less expensive) option.

but for me (a 360 owner) it just doesn't do it. i can get cross-plat titles on 360, with the added bonus of hd and achievements (so sue me, i like em). plus i really dig games with a deep, involving story. as for the nintendo franchises (metroid, mario, etc) i lost interest in them after the jump to 3d. teh only wii games i'd buy the console for are no more heroes, mad world, super paper mario, mushroom men, and okami (if i don't get it for teh ps2 first). that just isn't enough to warrant the cost for me.

so, no good games = no games i like, k? you bought the wii because it had a selection of games you liked; i got a 360 for the same reason. doesn't mean you're a pastel-wearing minigames enthusiast or that i'm a knuckle-dragging gibs fetishist.:D

[Nature Boy]

I also refuse to pay $300+ on what is basically a toy...a very fancy, high-tech toy, but still a toy.

Wait a minute. How much did you spend to get your Wii? They're like $269 right now. Plus you'd want to buy a second Wiimote (playing solo wouldn't be much fun). Plus you'd maybe want an extra game or two. How is that not over $300?

I think what you really meant to say was that when you *do* spend $300+ on a toy you want to make sure you are not disappointed.

(A friend on mine bought a Wii 2 weeks ago. Got an extra Wiimote. Nunchuck. Plus 3 Games. He spend $500).


People who put graphics before gaming may not even be aware they're doing it.

An HD crazy gamer might criticize the games for looking crummy, but that doesn't mean they won't give the machine a fair shake, or are incapable of seeing past the graphics like you keep suggesting though. If they like the control scheme they'll like the Wii - it's as simple as that.

[Rob2600]

How much did you spend to get your Wii? They're like $269 right now. Plus you'd want to buy a second Wiimote (playing solo wouldn't be much fun). Plus you'd maybe want an extra game or two. How is that not over $300?

In the U.S., the Wii retails for $249.

You're right though. For $310, I could get a Wii, two Wii remotes, two nunchucks, a game (Wii Sports), and built-in wi-fi.

Or, for $310, I could get an Xbox 360 with one controller, no games, and no wi-fi.


when i say there's not a lot of good games on the wii, what i really mean is that there aren't a lot of good games for me. if someone's really into the nintendo franchises and doesn't have another console for cross-plat titles, i could see the wii being an attractive (and less expensive) option. ...

so, no good games = no games i like, k? you bought the wii because it had a selection of games you liked; i got a 360 for the same reason. doesn't mean you're a pastel-wearing minigames enthusiast or that i'm a knuckle-dragging gibs fetishist.:D

Excellent point.

[Nature Boy]

In the U.S., the Wii retails for $249.

You're right though. For $310, I could get a Wii, two Wii remotes, two nunchucks, a game (Wii Sports), and built-in wi-fi.

Or, for $310, I could get an Xbox 360 with one controller, no games, and no wi-fi.

It's splitting hairs, but you *do* get Hexic for free when you buy a new 360 with the HDD. And of course it's a media centre if you want it to be one...

But really we're just getting into the extras that push you over the top when making a purchasing decision. The real meat of the whole debate are the games you actually pay for, assuming you do so over the console's life span.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Owning 30 games for my Wii and wanting to buy about 12 or so more that are already out, I have no idea what you guys are talking about... seriously, I can't relate. I do have buyers remorse for one game, Worms a Space Oddity. I got it very near to the games release day and was very unpleased with it. They changed the game and included motion control to make it easier to play?... Well, not really. They failed, big time.

How many times were you former Wii owners bitten by bad games? For me, 1:30 is a better ratio than the first 1.5 years of the PS2. By that time (PS2) I had 10 games and 3 of them were awful. Still have a PS2 and close to 100 games for it and still play it regularly right along with the Wii. Maybe I'm missing something, I dunno. :confused:

[retro junkie]

I will just be happy when the day will come that I can see a Wii on a store shelf in my area. They are still rare and very hard to get a hold of here. PS3 and 360 are plentiful.
:bawling:

[Rob2600]

I will just be happy when the day will come that I can see a Wii on a store shelf in my area. They are still rare and very hard to get a hold of here. PS3 and 360 are plentiful.
:bawling:

According to a new interview on IGN (http://wii.ign.com/articles/893/893998p1.html) with Cammie Dunaway, Nintendo of America's executive vice president of sales and marketing:

"We continue to sell out of Wii pretty much as fast as we put it on the shelf. We've increased capacity 30 percent so it's nice to be able to get more units to more people. We're shipping 2.4 million monthly worldwide and it varies a bit from country to country"


It sounds like Nintendo is definitely trying to put more Wii consoles on store shelves.

[carlcarlson]

It sounds like Nintendo is definitely trying to put more Wii consoles on store shelves.

I still call BS on this. Nintendo has got to be limiting the number that they ship out to stores. The hype for the Wii wouldn't be nearly what it is if they were readily available.

[Icarus Moonsight]

They are producing at current capacity with the facilities they have. 2.4 million a month is about as good as it's going to get. Expanding capacity isn't very smart because of the cost and the inventory shorts could very well go away next week.

They do seem to be re-directing units from the US market because of the weak USD. Why take USD when you can get pounds or Euros (you get more Yen for those!)? Hardly a production issue there.

[Sabz5150]

I don't think they are limiting production. I also like that they are not trying to push their production any further because they know build quality will take a hit.

[CartCollector]

The first MotionPlus game, Wii Sports Resort, is being released nine months from now. I think nine months is plenty of time for third party developers to implement MotionPlus controls in their games.

Most 3rd parties don't agree with you, since a lot of their games will be too deep in development to implement it. So you're going to see yet another Nintendo innovation that no one but Nintendo will really use for another year.

Um... Do either of you have experience in video game console software development? If not, do you have any quotes on this issue from someone who does?

Anyways, I'm off to go play some Brawl. Why debate what "good games" are when you can go play them? Is whining about console sales on a message board that much fun?

[TheDomesticInstitution]

Is whining about console sales on a message board that much fun?

Not only is it fun, it's one of the things we do best!

[Melf]

Um... Do either of you have experience in video game console software development? If not, do you have any quotes on this issue from someone who does?

I linked to an article about this in Game Informer in the very post you quoted.




We asked several third-party Wii developers about the Wii MotionPlus, and the general feeling was one of annoyance and betrayal. None of them said they had any advance notice about the peripheral, and we were told that they were as surprised as everyone else when Nintendo revealed its existence on stage. That lack of prior notice means that, aside from Nintendo’s own roster of games, users won’t likely see any support for the device for at least six to nine months. The developers we spoke to said they hadn’t received any information from Nintendo about how to implement Wii MotionPlus into their upcoming projects, and they also expressed doubt that they would be able to incorporate it into games that are currently deep in development.