Poor packaging with an Ebay purchase

[darkhades]

I recently won an Ebay auction for a PS1 Brave fencer Musashi. As soon as I picked up the package I knew something was wrong. I opened it up and saw this:

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s234/darkhades27/Whatever/package.jpg

So Iam pretty upset with the lack of care that went into the packaging of this item. I tested the game for about 20 minutes, and it seems to be working fine. There are lots of light scratches on the disc, which wasen't present in the auction. So Iam certain this is a result of the packaging.

I haven't left feedback yet. Iam curious as to how some of you might handle this situation. Would you give negitive or netural feedback? Or perhaps positive feedback since the game seems to work fine?

[riverdragon]

I would let the seller know how the package arrived and ask for some sort of partial refund. If the seller responds quickly and takes care of your issues leave a positive but note the packaging was good BUT the seller took care of it.

[doubledownon11]

I would let the seller know how the package arrived and ask for some sort of partial refund. If the seller responds quickly and takes care of your issues leave a positive but note the packaging was good BUT the seller took care of it.

Agreed and that's exactly what I'd do except note that the packaging was "not" good but the seller took care of it!

[megasdkirby]

I would let the seller know how the package arrived and ask for some sort of partial refund. If the seller responds quickly and takes care of your issues leave a positive but note the packaging was good BUT the seller took care of it.

There is a problem: many times Ebay takes "give me a refund (even if partial) while I keep the item" as a type of extortion.

How much did the seller charge for shipping? Was insurance added/requested?

If possible, can you post a link, or at least the sellers ID?

[darkhades]

Thanks for the responces so far.



There is a problem: many times Ebay takes "give me a refund (even if partial) while I keep the item" as a type of extortion.

How much did the seller charge for shipping? Was insurance added/requested?

If possible, can you post a link, or at least the sellers ID?


The seller charged me $6.50 for shipping. The actual shipping cost according to the envolope stamp was $2.66. The seller could have a least used a bubble envolope and secured the case with a bit of tape so the contents dont spill out.

I'd rather not post the sellers ID untill I contact him. Also Iam not really looking for a refund. I got the game and it seems to work just find, although a bit scratched now. I am was just curious as to what kind of feedback is appropriate. Consider too that this seller has 100% positive feedback.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Jesus. Ask for a full shipping refund and neg his ass after getting it. He totally deserves it for the shipping gouge and the poor packaging. I mean, a friggin' bubble mailer costs fifty cents! That's fucking inexcusable, regardless of his 100% positive feedback.

[megasdkirby]

You are right: for that amount the seller should have at least added a bit of padding to protect the item. I know most sellers are going to charge more for "handling" (which is basically fees incurred and packaging materials...and as some nasty sellers would put "the time wasted and slurpy purchased") but still, a nice little bubble wrap would have done wonders. Or a little box. Not simply stick the game inside a manilla envelope.

Contact the seller, but DO NOT ask for a refund. Never say the term. Just tell him what happened and that you are not pleased that for the amount requested for shipping, nothing was done to secure it. Also, clarify that you understood and agreed to the shipping fees, and that the fee itself is not a problem (this will prevent the bullshit some sellers say about "you agreed so you can't complain statement). But that you are concerned that for the amount listed, the item should have been protected, as this is a sellers responsability.

Also show him the picture you took. Tell him that the inadequate packaging scuffed the game ever further.

Truth be told, no matter what happens, give the seller a neutral. Don't worry: in a few weeks the neutral will no longer affect a sellers score. However, "ding" the sellers star accordingly, specially in the shipping department. Don't go to low as to get revenge, but don't give him perfect for something that was not.

But if he does something to rectify this, just don't give him feedback. You have a choice. But don't neg him...it's not worth it.

[jb143]

Don't worry: in a few weeks the neutral will no longer affect a sellers score.

I agree with everthing but this. It stays on for a year. I have 1 neutral from 10 months ago keeping my score lower than it's ever been.

But yeah. I'd at least leave a neutral after contacting the seller. If they give a refund or fix the problem in an acceptable way then consider leaving a positive instead.

[megasdkirby]

I agree with everthing but this. It stays on for a year. I have 1 neutral from 10 months ago keeping my score lower than it's ever been.

You did not know? Ebay is reversing the neutrals later on in August.

They will no longer count as negatives. Nor will they count at all. They are neutrals, like they suppose to be.

I would not give them a positive even after a refund or partial refund. Becuase they most surely would have blocked the buyer. So why give good feedback to a seller who does not want you back? I would not give him feedback at all.

[jb143]

You did not know? Ebay is reversing the neutrals later on in August.

They will no longer count as negatives. Nor will they count at all. They are neutrals, like they suppose to be.



This is the first I've heard of it. That's good news. When I complaned to Ebay about it they didn't seem to understand why anyone would be upset. I guess I'm not the only one who complaned.

[riverdragon]

This is the first I've heard of it. That's good news. When I complaned to Ebay about it they didn't seem to understand why anyone would be upset. I guess I'm not the only one who complaned.

This is the first I have heard of it too. As soon as policy didn't allow sellers to leave anything but positive feedback I got 2 Neutrals (according to the actual feedback) for taking more then 2 days to send the items. *sigh*

[Hitman Tyler]

thats really sad..
I remember when I bought a game of ebay, the lady told me it was her sons. That she bought BRAND NEW from FYE, so I asked if any scratches were on it, she said "NO". So I thought BRAND NEW she is telling the truth. Later to find out when she send it there are quite a few surface scratches,. Thank God!, it didn't effect playing.

Also did you buy "Insurance". If so you can complain to him / her because "insurance protects against: Lost and Damaged".
I would talk to the seller about it. Who know you might get some money back.

[Hitman Tyler]

Feedback for neutral. I always thought neutral was no +1 or -1, thats what ebay used to say. Now I guess it finally taking effect, Also as for negative I thought it was -1.

Then again I think they are doing away with negative, cause I had an e-mail saying "no more negative feedback allowed", or something along the lines of that.

[OldSchoolGamer]

Yeah common sense is often lacking, I recently received a Colecovision system with some games and accessories that would be crossing the canadian border, now I paid for USPS Priority postage and sure enough I DID receive the items in the appropiate boxes, my problem though? Well, it was 2 boxes taped together but worse of all the boxes were pretty banged up and to my surprise when I opened them it was all loose items inside, I mean loose and sliding all around, I expected bubble wrap around a 25 year old console and accessories, at the very LEAST some rolled up balls of newspaper for some cushioning? Amazinglt and luckily everthing appeared working as I was worried and tested right away, ONLY because everything was working I left positive feedback (I fear negative feedback retaliation) but I DID also message the seller to suggest in future the should add some type of padding when shipping items, especially old/delicate collectable items instead of just dropping them loosely in the box, I got good feedback in return but no reply to my suggestion. :shameful:

[Kyle15]

Wow, at least it is safe. ;)
That is nothing like a seller did to me though.

They promised me a mint-in-box complete Japanese GBA game.
Well, they charged me $6.00 to send it along with a Japanese DS game.
About 2 weeks after I payed, the games finally arrived. BUT, something was wrong.
They were inside of a BUBBLELESS envelope. I opened it up and revealed the horror: the GBA game did not receive damage from JUST the poor envelope. The box was ripped at the corners, the cardboard tray was messed up inside of the box. What about the cart, then?
THE GUY DID NOT EVEN PUT IT INTO THE BOX. It was flopping around in the bottom of the envelope, and it's little protective baggie was wadded up inside the tray.

Now, here's my question: how does a game exit it's wrapper inside such a tight space, leave the box without opening it, and wad up it's baggie all by itself?
The DS game also had a bad coffee stain on it's case.
After calling this guy, he claims that they were mint. (by the sound of it, he sounded like he was only 14/15)
I then threw the games back into the envelope in the manner he had, put the envelope into a box, and mailed it back.
He sent me a refund, but it was about $8 short.
Oh well, at least I won that one.

Also, I was charged $4.50 for the shipment of a complete copy of Super Smash Brothers.
It arrived WRAPPED IN PAPER! @_@
Luckily, it survived and nothing was wrong with the box/game/inserts.

I question these people's ability to think. -___-

[megasdkirby]

And what's funny is that they start bitching about how buyers are horrible and ruining Ebay (on the Feedback discussion board). Yet it is THEM that do the fuck ups, yet the buyers are to blame.

Sure...

[Kyle15]

And what's funny is that they start bitching about how buyers are horrible and ruining Ebay (on the Feedback discussion board). Yet it is THEM that do the fuck ups, yet the buyers are to blame.

Sure...

That's exactly what they are doing.
These whiney sellers need to get their butts in gear and start obtaining some common sense. Then they will not need to blame the buyers. ;)
(Unless they are really jerks, that is. They don't care anyway.)

[ryborg]

You want to know why sellers are bitter (and not just on the worthless, censored ebay message boards)?

On ebay, there are bad sellers and good sellers, and bad buyers and good buyers, just like in real life there are bad/good McDonald's employees, bad/good FBI agents, bad/good priests, and so on.

As a buyer, if you are having a miserable experience with a bad seller, what can you do? Quite a lot. File a chargeback though Paypal or your credit card company. Leave a neg/neutral feedback. File an ebay Non-Performing Seller dispute. Unless you're in the .001% of people who were victimized by a really elaborate scam, there's a really good chance the only thing you'll have lost is time if you know what you're doing.

However, as a seller, if you're dealing with an awful buyer, you have NO recourse now. Ebay has cut off the sellers' arms to declaw them. Someone refuses to pay? You have to just suck it up and hope that ebay is kind enough to refund your fees. No more negs for buyers, and most of them know this. I've had buyers laugh it off, saying they weren't going to pay, daring me to file a completely useless non-paying bidder report. When ebay took away the sellers' abilities to leave the appropriate feedback, they also promised that they'd take NPB reports much more seriously. Not so much.

Also, on selling end, if you're getting scammed, ebay and Paypal simply won't help you unless the authorities are involved (which is pretty ridiculous for anything less than a few hundred dollars). A few months ago, a buyer casually kept my item while successfully filing a chargeback. The exact same thing happened to a seller friend of mine three days ago and if you read about it online, it's shockingly common and VERY easy to do. For three mouse clicks, there's a good chance I get to keep the item AND get my money back? Sign me up!

Essentially, buyers have the upper hand in every aspect of ebay. When you hear about "whiney" sellers today, it's because there is a valid reason for it.

(By the way, that's an absolutely ridiculous packaging job on the PS1 game. If the seller's unwilling to admit fault and/or rectify the situation over email, that's a instant deserved neg in my book.)

[Sniderman]

You did not know? Ebay is reversing the neutrals later on in August.

They will no longer count as negatives. Nor will they count at all. They are neutrals, like they suppose to be.


Please post a link or new article or (best yet) and ebay link that confirms this.

[jonjandran]

You want to know why sellers are bitter (and not just on the worthless, censored ebay message boards)?

However, as a seller, if you're dealing with an awful buyer, you have NO recourse now.


What was the recourse before? Leaving a negative?

How was that recourse? The buyer still could buy from anyone he wanted to. Or he could just open another account.

Really as I've said before . leaving a negative for a buyer NEVER mattered and it accomplished nothing.

[Sniderman]

Really as I've said before . leaving a negative for a buyer NEVER mattered and it accomplished nothing.

Like Hell it didn't. Just as a buyer could review a seller's negatives and determine whether to buy from that person, I - as a seller - could review the comments left for bidders/buyers. If there was a bidder with shitty feedback and "Never paid after winning!" comments, I'd cancel their bids on my item and block them. With the new system, I have no idea if a buyer has played those games before with other sellers.

[jb143]

Like Hell it didn't. Just as a buyer could review a seller's negatives and determine whether to buy from that person, I - as a seller - could review the comments left for bidders/buyers. If there was a bidder with shitty feedback and "Never paid after winning!" comments, I'd cancel their bids on my item and block them. With the new system, I have no idea if a buyer has played those games before with other sellers.

100% agree with this. The new feedback system is a joke now.

I kind of like the star system when I'm buying but I think they need to have one for buyers too. Paid promply, Read auction clearly, etc...

[ryborg]

Like Hell it didn't. Just as a buyer could review a seller's negatives and determine whether to buy from that person, I - as a seller - could review the comments left for bidders/buyers. If there was a bidder with shitty feedback and "Never paid after winning!" comments, I'd cancel their bids on my item and block them. With the new system, I have no idea if a buyer has played those games before with other sellers.

Exactly. I did this ALL THE TIME for high-value or timely items (tickets, etc), because if someone just got three negs in a row, they probably weren't going to pay for the fourth. Now I can't do that and I've been bombarded by NPBs since the feedback changes. You can't even leave a false positive because ebay will remove it. This would be okay if ebay would give you the boot after 1-2 confirmed NPB reports, but they don't do that.

[jonjandran]

Like Hell it didn't. Just as a buyer could review a seller's negatives and determine whether to buy from that person, I - as a seller - could review the comments left for bidders/buyers. If there was a bidder with shitty feedback and "Never paid after winning!" comments, I'd cancel their bids on my item and block them. With the new system, I have no idea if a buyer has played those games before with other sellers.

Ebay has said that the majority of Power Sellers use BIN. So that means to the majority of Ebay sellers, negatives meant nothing at all.

And by the lack of response most sellers have to questions asked about their auctions, I doubt most sellers spend any time watching who is bidding on their auctions.

[megasdkirby]

Like Hell it didn't. Just as a buyer could review a seller's negatives and determine whether to buy from that person, I - as a seller - could review the comments left for bidders/buyers. If there was a bidder with shitty feedback and "Never paid after winning!" comments, I'd cancel their bids on my item and block them. With the new system, I have no idea if a buyer has played those games before with other sellers.

Yes, however if the buyer snipes, there is no way to protect yourself against that. If a buyer snipes, there is very little a seller can do to "evaluate" the buyer. :(

Hey man, I got the link for you as well: :)

http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200808130856332.html

[ryborg]

Yes, however if the buyer snipes, there is no way to protect yourself against that. If a buyer snipes, there is very little a seller can do to "evaluate" the buyer. :(

In my experience, I've had VERY little trouble with snipers. You don't see a lot of new or stupid bidders bidding with 3 seconds left. A huge majority of snipers snipe, see that they've won, and then instantly pay.

Overall, the buyers most likely to not pay are those who bid with like five days to go with (0) or very low feedback.

[megasdkirby]

In my experience, I've had VERY little trouble with snipers. You don't see a lot of new or stupid bidders bidding with 3 seconds left. A huge majority of snipers snipe, see that they've won, and then instantly pay.

Overall, the buyers most likely to not pay are those who bid with like five days to go with (0) or very low feedback.

I thought about it...and you are right! Those that snipe are usually those that have been on Ebay for years and know what to do.

Now imagine a newbie shipping... O_o