PS3 Losing More Money Than PS2 Made

[megasdkirby]

And, not 20 PS3 titles worth owning? Sorry but, that's totally subjective, I can think of 20 off the top of my head.

Resistance
Ridge Racer 7
Warhawk
Assassin's Creed
Metal Gear Solid 4
SingStar
Rock Band
Guitar Hero 3
Uncharted
MotorStorm
Condemned 2
Heavenly Sword
GTA4
Calling All Cars
flOw
Pixel Junk Monsters
Pixel Junk Eded
Bionic Commando Re-Armed
1942 Dual Strike
High Velocity Bowling
High Stakes Poker on the Vegas Strip

Unfortunately, that's subjective as well. From that list, only like 4 interests me. Another person may like none of those games and have their own games they prefer. Others may have a few of those titles and a few other titles. And others may simply not like any of those games. It depends on the person and their liking.

And smokehouse isn't that far off...as I've stated before, many customers when they come to purchase at Sears say the same, exact thing: they want a PS3 only for the BluRay capabilities. Some say that they prefer the PS3 IN CASE they want to buy games for it.

I for one prefer selling the actual player...more commission for me. :)

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

Unfortunately, that's subjective as well. From that list, only like 4 interests me. Another person may like none of those games and have their own games they prefer. Others may have a few of those titles and a few other titles. And others may simply not like any of those games. It depends on the person and their liking.

And smokehouse isn't that far off...as I've stated before, many customers when they come to purchase at Sears say the same, exact thing: they want a PS3 only for the BluRay capabilities. Some say that they prefer the PS3 IN CASE they want to buy games for it.

I for one prefer selling the actual player...more commission for me. :)

Regardless of what people are buying the PS3 for, games, movies, grilling burgers, I'm not buying into any "no good games for it" type semantics.

You're right, it's not about what games I think are good or what games you think are good, but saying there's "no good games" for a system that has at least ONE game is subjective.

Somebody out there is going to treasure that one game and that system, even if the system fails at retail and they don't produce any more games than that one launch title.

And, even if you don't want to go the "subjective" route, there's plenty of quantifiable critical evidence against the "no good games" theory.

People are out there buying key titles for PS3 at a "healthy" rate both online and at brick-and-mortar, and if you average out all of the PS3 game rankings on a review database like Gamerankings.com you'll find an above-average average-score.

[TonyTheTiger]

My question is why people seem to need a "loser" every generation. You can point to your 3DOs, your CD-Is, your Virtual Boys, your N-Gages, etc. but why do we need them? Don't get me wrong. I like cracking jokes about consoles (failed and successful) as much as the next guy but I don't really see a value in singling out a console and before the day is over choosing that as the WTF machine of the generation. It's almost akin to picking out that one kid in the class who becomes the whipping boy.

[Press_Start]

No, it's like a die-hard baseball fan quitting baseball because his or her favorite baseball team ceased to exist.

What would a Mets fan of twenty years do if the Mets disbanded and ceased to exist tomorrow? Instantly start rooting for another team? I don't think so, especially not the other NY team, the Yankees.

True, but doesn't mean his love for baseball should cease to exist. He can continue playing baseball, coach little league, collect memorabilia, open up his own baseball store, or start his own team or league.

Take a look at Sega. They called it quits to the hardware biz, yet fans still play their systems years after.

Point is if you truly like something, you sure as hell won't let it die without a fight.


Yeah, right.... A combined 65 Million Wii/PS3/360s have been sold so far this generation worldwide.

The consumers have spoken. and they're saying "gimme gimme gimme!!!"

(Source: http://www.vgchartz.com/)

88 million PS2/GC/XBoxs were sold in roughly the same time frame, 1/3 larger than current sales numbers. Add another year, sales reach 114 million and breaking it requires 85% TOTAL sales to be sold with the next year or so. Why aren't consumers dishing out the Benjamins as they should? Cause they didn't have to deal with bullsh*t with last-gen consoles. Each one had a good selection of games, provided extras such as online gameplay and DVD player, and no hardware problems (except for PS2's DRE, Sony eventually remedied that). Hell, PS2 sales are competing well today. If companies hadn't screw their heads on wrong and made the same mistakes as previous amateur attempts, potentially, they could skyrocket past last-gen sales easily. Instead, the numbers prove people aren't as foregoing in forking over their money to this generation as many would think.

[Berserker]

My question is why people seem to need a "loser" every generation. You can point to your 3DOs, your CD-Is, your Virtual Boys, your N-Gages, etc. but why do we need them? Don't get me wrong. I like cracking jokes about consoles (failed and successful) as much as the next guy but I don't really see a value in singling out a console and before the day is over choosing that as the WTF machine of the generation. It's almost akin to picking out that one kid in the class who becomes the whipping boy.

Because it aligns with an established, "easy" simplistic view of the way things work. It's easier to subscribe to, easier to digest, and requires no change in thinking.

[Icarus Moonsight]

I'd say 'Requires no thought at all.' Just point, laugh and proclaim system X sucks. It's soo lame! Then tack on a few regurgitated qualifiers if your ramblings encounter the ear of the thinking persuasion. Basically, overpower them with bullshit until they quit responding or concede that their time is better spent elsewhere. Hey, a win is a win. LOL

[Nature Boy]

88 million PS2/GC/XBoxs were sold in roughly the same time frame

Do you have a source?


Cause they didn't have to deal with bullsh*t with last-gen consoles.

That's baloney. You're three big examples of 'BS' from this gen were lack of 3rd party support, hardware failure, lack of executives and price. Nintendo still suffers from lack of quality 3rd party support, the PS2s had lots of bad press about how horrible their HW was, and if I knew what an 'Executives' was I'm sure I could find an example of it with MS's machine.

Consumers have been dealing with so called 'BS' since we started buying these machines. The Atari 2600 suffered from too many bad titles. The 5200 had controllers that broke *all* the time. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

[Press_Start]

Do you have a source?

www.vgchartz.com

Look up culmulative sales for PS2/XBox/GC up to the end of '03.


That's baloney. You're three big examples of 'BS' from this gen were lack of 3rd party support, hardware failure, lack of executives and price.

It's the fact there's so much BS in ONE generation that sheds doubt on the current directions companies are taking with the care of their products.


Nintendo still suffers from lack of quality 3rd party support

Resident Evil Zero
Resident Evil 4
Viewtiful Joe
Baten Kaitos
Tales of Symphonia
Star Wars Rogue Leader
Eternal Darkness
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles


the PS2s had lots of bad press about how horrible their HW was

True, but when gamers were fed up with the PS2, they had the Gamecube, XBox, and Dreamcast (going back earlier), each holding its own respected selection of games and no hardware problems, to fall back on.

What choices do they have in the current generation when they're fed up with the 360's hardware? A hard-to-find system equivalent to the mythic proportions of Bigfoot and a system taking $600 out of your pocket ($400 with fewer features) for Blu-Ray Players for which the majority of people a) never heard of it, b) don't care about it, or c) prefer DVD.


if I knew what an 'Executives' was I'm sure I could find an example of it with MS's machine.

My mistake. Meant to say "exclusives". I rectify it in my previous post.


Consumers have been dealing with so called 'BS' since we started buying these machines. The Atari 2600 suffered from too many bad titles. The 5200 had controllers that broke *all* the time.

Consumer response to BS service is extreme reluctance to do business with them again. Results in weaker sales numbers cause people won't pony up cash to be treated like sh*t again. With Atari, people didn't bother with them and their crappy products after the strain they put them through.


Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Producing more of the same crap customers didn't want came about the crash of the video game industry, proving my point. Companies' strength in sales will take a hit when they deviate from what the consumer wants and is evident for this generation as their numbers aren't as strong as the last.

[megasdkirby]

Regardless of what people are buying the PS3 for, games, movies, grilling burgers, I'm not buying into any "no good games for it" type semantics.

You're right, it's not about what games I think are good or what games you think are good, but saying there's "no good games" for a system that has at least ONE game is subjective.


Correct. There is always at least ONE game that any person likes. Even if it's just a little or simply interesting.

[smokehouse]

Well, I don't know about being the ONLY "split personality"

The Wii seem to have an equal identity crisis.

Is it for casual gamers or "hardcore" Nintendo enthusiasts/gaming fans?

Decent online play but AWFUL friend code management issues!

Downloadable content galore, but NO SPACE to put it on!

And, not 20 PS3 titles worth owning? Sorry but, that's totally subjective, I can think of 20 off the top of my head.

Resistance
Ridge Racer 7
Warhawk
Assassin's Creed
Metal Gear Solid 4
SingStar
Rock Band
Guitar Hero 3
Uncharted
MotorStorm
Condemned 2
Heavenly Sword
GTA4
Calling All Cars
flOw
Pixel Junk Monsters
Pixel Junk Eded
Bionic Commando Re-Armed
1942 Dual Strike
High Velocity Bowling
High Stakes Poker on the Vegas Strip

WOA there buddy...I think you think I'm attacking the PS3...which I'm not. I'm not defending the Wii either, I have my own personal set of complaints about that little guy...he's FAR from perfect and as time goes on, I like it less and less. My Wii has sat dormant for months, I can't say the same about my PS3 which sees plenty of use.

I do stick with my split personality thing though...for the most part, the Wii is a game system. I doesn't play movies, it doesn't play music, it does little other than play games. The PS3 on the other hand is a media center and Sony is selling it as such. Sony knows that their bread is being buttered on many sides with thtis unit and other than just gaming...thus my split personality comment.

[TonyTheTiger]

for the most part, the Wii is a game system. I doesn't play movies, it doesn't play music

Oh yes it does! :wink 2:

[Frankie_Says_Relax]

WOA there buddy...I think you think I'm atacking the PS3...which I'm not. I'm not defending the Wii either, I have my own personal set of compaints about that little guy...he's FAR from perfect adn as time goes on, I like it less and less. My Wii has sat dormant for months, I can't say the same about my PS3 which sees plenty of use.

I do stick with my split personality thing though...for the most part, the Wii is a game system. I doesn't play movies, it doesn't play music, it does little other than play games. The PS3 on the other hand is a media center and Sony is selling it as such. Sony knows that their bread is beingbuttered on many sides with thtis unit and other than just gaming...thus my split personality comment.

It was just the "there's not 20 games worth owning" comment that I disagreed with, and even if my "off the top of my head" list was based solely around my personal taste, I think that the "average" PS3 owning consumer has in fact found some amount of games worth owning on the system.

I don't have numbers, but I bet the attach rate for the system is one or two games, and the average lifetime ownership of titles (to date) for most PS3 owners is probably more than 10 if you count PSN Store downloadable games as well as brick-and-mortar.

[Nature Boy]

www.vgchartz.com

Look up culmulative sales for PS2/XBox/GC up to the end of '03.

End of 03? That's an extra *year* of sales you're including! Or, say, 45 million consoles you've conveniently added onto your total. To say nothing of including 02's holiday sales while not being able to add 08s in yet for obvious reasons.

Last time I checked, the last gen started in 00, this gen started in 06. If I wanted to get really smarmy I could start with the Dreamcast and count two years from there to see how sales compare between last gen and this gen...

I don't question your assertion that consumers will look elsewhere if they've been unhappy with a product. I do it myself. But the same things happen in every generation, and the consumer *always* has a choice in the end. You obviously feel like nothing this gen is worth purchasing and that's cool. But the sales are still there regardless, so not everybody shares your views.

[Press_Start]

End of 03? That's an extra *year* of sales you're including! Or, say, 45 million consoles you've conveniently added onto your total. To say nothing of including 02's holiday sales while not being able to add 08s in yet for obvious reasons.

Last time I checked, the last gen started in 00, this gen started in 06. If I wanted to get really smarmy I could start with the Dreamcast and count two years from there to see how sales compare between last gen and this gen...

This generation started with the Xbox360 in '05, giving an approximation of 3 years. Given without the '03 holiday sales put last gen above 70 million, the fact that 18 million units must be sold in the 4 months to beating last-gen will be a tall order. Will be interesting to see how the numbers at the end of the year will turn out.

On a side note, including Dreamcast units would have gone outside the Sony/MS/Nintendo de facto.


You obviously feel like nothing this gen is worth purchasing and that's cool. But the sales are still there regardless, so not everybody shares your views.

You misunderstood. The Wii, the PS3, and the XBox 360 all have strong points that are weighed down in sales by their creators getting too ahead of themselves and as a result, mistakes were made deterring potential buyers. Namely the average consumer, who believe in getting their money's worth, make a good portion in purchases and growth for the industry. Without that, the industry relies on a small demographic group, repeating the same tragedy of the comic book industry in the 90's.

[Rob2600]

The Wii, the PS3, and the XBox 360 all have strong points that are weighed down in sales by their creators getting too ahead of themselves

Worldwide, the Wii has already outsold the GameCube and is very close to outselling the N64, if it hasn't already...and it's only been out for 21 months. Its sales aren't being weighed down by anything.

[Nature Boy]

This generation started with the Xbox360 in '05, giving an approximation of 3 years. Given without the '03 holiday sales put last gen above 70 million, the fact that 18 million units must be sold in the 4 months to beating last-gen will be a tall order. Will be interesting to see how the numbers at the end of the year will turn out.

On a side note, including Dreamcast units would have gone outside the Sony/MS.

My bad - dunno what I was thinking with the 06 thing!

What likely has hurt sales so far this gen are the much talked about shortages of the Wii. Who knows how many machines they would have sold had they had continuous stock!

As far as the DC goes, it shouldn't matter that it was 'outside' Sony/MS/N. Sega was part of the cycle back then and the DC *was* the beginning of the next generation, so we really should look back to them (but I don't really care enough to look again :) )

[Zap!]

I've been away for a while, but I see I had a ton of responses. I will try and reply to them all here, rather than one by one.

Perhaps I was too harsh when I said it will be a beautiful day once Sony exits the video game hardware business. I am sorry, I am just under the opinion that if you make consoles, you should have made arcade games first, like Nintendo, Atari, Sega, etc. Of course I don't want only Nintendo to be around. I would love it if Sega came back. I also think Capcom, Konami, and EA are extremely qualified to make consoles.

There are pleanty of PS3 games out there that are outstanding. I never meant to offend anyone, but I'm just very pro-first party, and once Sega left, it left just Nintendo. I won't be posting any more anti-Sony tirades here. It offended many friends, something I didn't want to do.