Super Mario Kart prototype

[OmochaoAbuser]

Spirits of Mist
And Creatures of Bog:
Turn now Evan_G
To the shape of a Frog.

Again, can we PLEASE get back on-topic?

[Blitz Lunar]

Argh, so much rudeness in this thread. I know I shouldn't have to, but I'd like to apologise for the people whinging and demanding a ROM/SPCs, acting like its their right - get some tact! I can see that sort of attitude squandering the chances for the rest of us who are sat patiently crossing our fingers. Absolutely no respect.

Anyway, I've been watching this thread for a couple of months. Just saw you posted the MP3s -- awesome!!! Sincere thanks; as a big fan of Soyo Oka's music this is a great discovery, and I (and a few others I know who I've just told) are very grateful. Both of those tracks are excellent - what a shame they didn't end up in the final game. Yeah, SPC rips of them would be fantastic (I would transcribe them to MIDI in a flash), but I think if you were to do SPC rips, it'd be best to do the whole soundtrack, using the SPC set here (http://snesmusic.org/v2/profile.php?profile=set&selected=2748) as a guide to all the tracks that need to be ripped (as far as possible). It'd hardly be a quick job, especially with trying to dump at the beginning of tracks, and also avoiding sound effects. It's just, there may be slight differences in other tunes that you (dare I say it) haven't noticed thus far, and well.... I dunno, huge vgm geeks like myself are kinda anal about things like that ;). Also, I guess there's an outside chance that there's more unused music hidden away in the game but not used during game play - of course, that'd require some light hacking, and you're (understandably) not so comfortable with releasing a ROM after paying out the ass for the game. Hm, there may even be hidden tunes in the final game... wonder if anyone ever looked...

I wonder, and this is probably totally ridiculous, but have you considered opening a paypal account and taking donations? Basically to cover the costs of paying for this thing, so you wouldn't potentially lose out by releasing a ROM. I dunno what sort of legal ramifications THAT would have, or how many people would be willing to donate for the sake of getting a ROM, but you know, whatever it takes. I'm personally only interested in the soundtrack, but there's surely plenty of others who are interested in the whole beta version. Anyway, just a thought.

Looking forward to anything else you decide to release. Thankyou!

[DreamTR]

I can't get over whiny people asking/demanding ROMS.

Tell you what, someone in here pay me $1500 and you can have my undumped Super Mario Kart proto and have at it yourself.

Someone pays hundreds of dollars for carts, and some expect it for free? Buy the game. BUY IT. I'm always willing to sell my shit at the right price, but these 1-2 time posters who can't use their real names are funny.

[LuxKiller65]

But something tells me you're already rich. You can eat a month with every proto you sell right?

[van_halen]

SPC rips of them would be fantastic (I would transcribe them to MIDI in a flash), but I think if you were to do SPC rips, it'd be best to do the whole soundtrack, using the SPC set here (http://snesmusic.org/v2/profile.php?profile=set&selected=2748) as a guide to all the tracks that need to be ripped (as far as possible). It'd hardly be a quick job, especially with trying to dump at the beginning of tracks, and also avoiding sound effects. It's just, there may be slight differences in other tunes that you (dare I say it) haven't noticed thus far, and well.... I dunno, huge vgm geeks like myself are kinda anal about things like that ;). Also, I guess there's an outside chance that there's more unused music hidden away in the game but not used during game play - of course, that'd require some light hacking, and you're (understandably) not so comfortable with releasing a ROM after paying out the ass for the game.

I have found slight differences in some other soundtracks, those being mainly percussion variations, added/removed instruments, change in speed, etc. Many sound effects are also totally different or have slight variations to them, while some are completely missing. I'll see what I can do when I've had it dumped.


Hm, there may even be hidden tunes in the final game... wonder if anyone ever looked...

Something I’ve been wondering as well. Has anybody looked?


I wonder, and this is probably totally ridiculous, but have you considered opening a paypal account and taking donations? Basically to cover the costs of paying for this thing, so you wouldn't potentially lose out by releasing a ROM. I dunno what sort of legal ramifications THAT would have, or how many people would be willing to donate for the sake of getting a ROM, but you know, whatever it takes. I'm personally only interested in the soundtrack, but there's surely plenty of others who are interested in the whole beta version. Anyway, just a thought.

I haven't considered doing that unfortunately, and I'm most probably not at liberty to distribute the ROM even if I had wanted to. That seems to apply at least to all first and second-party Nintendo stuff. However, I have talked to a few programming-savvy friends in town who said they might be able to examine the code, and I would in that case share any and all findings. I have also for a long time wanted to learn hex editing and ASM myself to be able to document some other betas, but that's easier said than done.. :-/

[OmochaoAbuser]

I can't get over whiny people asking/demanding ROMS.

Tell you what, someone in here pay me $1500 and you can have my undumped Super Mario Kart proto and have at it yourself.

Someone pays hundreds of dollars for carts, and some expect it for free? Buy the game. BUY IT. I'm always willing to sell my shit at the right price, but these 1-2 time posters who can't use their real names are funny.

How about you just GIVE it, and simply ignore those whiners from Sonic CulT.

The protos do NOT belong to you or van helen, they belong to the community.

[super nes]

How about you just GIVE IT, and simply ignore those whiners from Sonic CulT.

The protos do NOT belong to you or van helen, they belong to the community.

Wrong they belong to Nintendo.

[OmochaoAbuser]

Wrong they belong to Nintendo.
Wrong, they don't.

[super nes]

Wrong, they don't.

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr212/psykhospitalet/Super%20Mario%20Kart%20prototype/1-titlescreen.jpg

[van_halen]

Wrong, they don't.

They're intellectual property of Nintendo. Please explain how they could belong to the community, or to any of us for that matter.

[Blitz Lunar]

Holy autism... yeah distributing ROM images of beta games is still illegal, heck even making backup ROMs is technically illegal as far as Nintendo is concerned. I don't know where you get this sense of entitlement from Omochao... lots of people seem to think internet access is a license to not have to pay for anything ever.


Something I’ve been wondering as well. Has anybody looked?

I'll see about asking one of the folks over at hcs64.com, maybe someone could take a look at it. It's possible that someone's already checked and found nothing, but it's worth a shot.


However, I have talked to a few programming-savvy friends in town who said they might be able to examine the code, and I would in that case share any and all findings.

Ahh, sounds promising. Good luck with that :D

[Borman]

How about you just GIVE it, and simply ignore those whiners from Sonic CulT.

The protos do NOT belong to you or van helen, they belong to the community.

Hey, do you have a car? Can I have it for free? Or a house. Or a nice PC? Can I have it. Please? Please, can I have it? It doesn't belong to you. It belongs to the community. Can I have ot?

[badinsults]

How about you just GIVE it, and simply ignore those whiners from Sonic CulT.

The protos do NOT belong to you or van helen, they belong to the community.

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[DreamTR]

Omachao: How about you give me the money then for it? I'm not giving away shit for free. I am supposed to spend my time researching how to dump stuff so the "community" can get shit for free? Oh sure, let me CLEAR my schedule for that. If you haven't spent any money getting these and dumping them for free, then GTFO because if I already did the legwork acquiring them, I'm not giving them away for nothing. I've never dumped anything physically, or distributed anything on the web, so I definitely don't think it is the community's "right" to get this for nothing. People like you never cease to amaze me. I horde because I don't share. I offer willingly to sell said proto, and you expect it for free. Like Borman said, you should just give away EVERYTHING you own then because it belongs to the community.

LuxKiller: I'm not even close to being rich. If I was selling protos all the time, then maybe.

And as for these belonging to Nintendo, the intellectual property rights, yes, but the physical cart itself, that's a negative. If that was the case, they would OWN the rights to very physical retail cart as well. Once something is liquidated/changes hands/etc, it's very difficult for them to prove they own the physical cart itself....heck, I've bought and been given things from all sorts of companies, not just press stuff.

[badinsults]

It really is too bad that some rom kiddies have ruined a great thread about a prototype of a game. You guys should be appreciative that van_halen has taken the time to do the research on the differences between this prototype and the final version. Really, as long as this info is out there, does it really matter if the rom is released? The rom itself is a novelty, and only interests a select few people. I've actually had a lot of people give me prototype roms because they don't have the time or interest to do this research themselves, but I have also posted pictures from people like DreamTR, and I am just as appreciative. The prototype here belongs to van_halen, and he can do whatever he likes, including hitting it with a hammer and destroying it for all its buttery goodness. However, he has chosen to display screenshots, videos and music that differ from the original, and I think that is just wonderful.

[ProgrammingAce]

And as for these belonging to Nintendo, the intellectual property rights, yes, but the physical cart itself, that's a negative. If that was the case, they would OWN the rights to very physical retail cart as well. Once something is liquidated/changes hands/etc, it's very difficult for them to prove they own the physical cart itself....heck, I've bought and been given things from all sorts of companies, not just press stuff.

A lot of the Nintendo proto carts usually do belong to nintendo. Nintendo usually gave them out with the expectation they'd get them back. They never officially transfered owership through sale or gift. They usually wouldn't be considered stolen, but you'd probably be legally required to give them back to Nintendo if they pressed the matter in court.

--Zero

[SparTonberry]

It really is too bad that some rom kiddies have ruined a great thread about a prototype of a game. You guys should be appreciative that van_halen has taken the time to do the research on the differences between this prototype and the final version. Really, as long as this info is out there, does it really matter if the rom is released? The rom itself is a novelty, and only interests a select few people. I've actually had a lot of people give me prototype roms because they don't have the time or interest to do this research themselves, but I have also posted pictures from people like DreamTR, and I am just as appreciative. The prototype here belongs to van_halen, and he can do whatever he likes, including hitting it with a hammer and destroying it for all its buttery goodness. However, he has chosen to display screenshots, videos and music that differ from the original, and I think that is just wonderful.
I'd actually have to agree with this. It's great he's posting screenshots and videos. I think that's the info that's needed.
I mean, do you want the ROM because you believe it is a significantly different gaming experience, or do you want it just because you don't already have it, and have been told you cant have it?
That is the conclusion I've come to. If someone posted it, in reality I'd probably download it, play once or twice for curiosity then forget it.

[LuxKiller65]

A lot of the Nintendo proto carts usually do belong to nintendo. Nintendo usually gave them out with the expectation they'd get them back. They never officially transfered owership through sale or gift. They usually wouldn't be considered stolen, but you'd probably be legally required to give them back to Nintendo if they pressed the matter in court.

--Zero

I can imagine how 99% of all protos, test, review carts and so on never got back the owner because of people liking money a lot. I mean at some point in the chain, usually at the very beginning, there must be ONE guy getting those for free and cashing in pure lazy profit without even searching the protos.

Sorry about that DreamTR, just thought that because you seem to be everywhere a proto is. Did you not get some protos for free in the past? Never? I'm not sure who is to blame here, I don't care the ROM being public or guarded by rottweilers because I find the game unplayable and unwatchable in the first place, but I'm sure some proto owners have dirty hands. Why should someone pay for a proto when the seller or someone before may have gotten it for free? Because I seem to understand that's how a lot of people got protos - for free.

[PACHUKA]

Wow. I thought my begging and bitching was bad. Way to push the bar.

[van_halen]

I can imagine how 99% of all protos, test, review carts and so on never got back the owner because of people liking money a lot. I mean at some point in the chain, usually at the very beginning, there must be ONE guy getting those for free and cashing in pure lazy profit without even searching the protos.

Sorry about that DreamTR, just thought that because you seem to be everywhere a proto is. Did you not get some protos for free in the past? Never? I'm not sure who is to blame here, I don't care the ROM being public or guarded by rottweilers because I find the game unplayable and unwatchable in the first place, but I'm sure some proto owners have dirty hands. Why should someone pay for a proto when the seller or someone before may have gotten it for free? Because I seem to understand that's how a lot of people got protos - for free.

Well, why aren’t WE there snagging all the protos before Jason does then? It's all about having the right contacts, and I'm sure he didn't build his network on one day. Time and dedication are money as well, regardless if people get their protos for free or not.

[DreamTR]

LuxKiller: I hate to break it to ya, but I started working for a magazine in 1997, so that's way after NES/SNES games were into the place. I also was not the main contact there, so I was not exactly the one getting protos/samples in the mail either. I can tell you 95% of my cartridge protos I purchased from contacts/sources. I just happened to find the right people to contact. I have very, very little interest in disk protos, and as soon as those came to me (and only in the past few years) I get rid of them because I have no interest in them.

Now, I can't say I did NOT get a few protos for free, but does that obligate me to research/dump/release the things for people? No, it does not. Just because someone gets an inheritance does not mean they are obligated to donate the money to charity either.

Obviously you had the wrong idea about me, thinking I'm rich off free protos, LOL..but yes, van_halen is right, I have a lot of good contacts, I keep them confidential for obvious reasons, and if you notice, I rarely sell cart protos....I've got around 1,200 of the things because I like the history behind em. Not collecting em for others, that's for sure...

Programming Ace: Nintendo HAS sold protos before. Old ROM carts. They may or may not be paying attention when they do it, I have no idea, but the company has done it before.

[ProgrammingAce]

Programming Ace: Nintendo HAS sold protos before. Old ROM carts. They may or may not be paying attention when they do it, I have no idea, but the company has done it before.

True, they have no idea what they're selling at those "garage sales" of theirs.

[LuxKiller65]

I definitely thought something else, so sorry if I sounded like targeting you - I wasn't.

Mario Kart is a crappy game IMO anyway, not a big loss if the proto stays in the home of the owner.

[OmochaoAbuser]

Actually, Mario Kart is a great game, and it is not a good thing if we can't it away from those disgusting HOARDERS. Oh, and the proto does NOT belong to van-helen even if he did buy it, it belongs to the community, so he can NOT do whatever it wants as it is rightfully OURS.

[Blitz Lunar]

Get fucked Omochao, seriously. At this point you're either a huge aspie or a troll, one or the other. ROMs are not public domain in the slightest, the fact they're freely available on the internet is a privelege not a right. I don't know what you hope to achieve by getting in a hissy fit because it clearly isn't working here anyway. Be grateful for what van_halen and others are willing to share; don't bite the hand that feeds you.

I do like Super Mario Kart myself, and as aforementioned I'm particularly interested in the music. For me, that's the sole appeal of the ROM being dumped - I'm not worried about having a copy myself, I have no real desire to play a broken version of SMK :P but it would mean the music's in the best quality possible. Line-out recordings are absolutely better than nothing, but SPCs would be godly. Videos and screengrabs from an emulator would be better too actually, though I don't think high quality vids and screenshots are that important. I'm yet to ask anyone about the possibility of the unused music being hidden in the final game, but when I get the opportunity I will do.

[Borman]

The only thing that belongs to the community is knowledge, and even thats not a given. If you want the game, then purchase it yourself, then see how easy it is to 'waste' 1k+. And if you wont, then you are just an asshat anyway. Go play with your bailout money while other people do the work for you.

[DreamTR]

I'm pretty sure it's a troll just bored.

[Borman]

Probably.

[Blitz Lunar]

http://www.gshi.org/vb/showthread.php?t=3180&page=18

Asked about the possibility of getting SPC dumps of the beta music. It all depends on whether or not the music was completely removed from the final version. Fingers crossed.

[Ed Oscuro]

Man, I'd love it if Nintendo got smart and released some of their WIP versions.

[DreamTR]

Man, I'd love it if Nintendo got smart and released some of their WIP versions.


How is that "getting smart?" There's many reasons they don't want that stuff leaking out. They might be using it for future games, other companies can copy the information even if it is just limited to music or changed character design...

[ProgrammingAce]

Why on earth would nintendo release a half finished product? It'll be great when they release games that can't be beaten, have broken geometry, and enemies that don't have any AI.

Or you have the other extreme, they charge $10 for an SNES rom you already have where the only difference is some music. I'm sure the public would love that.

[Ed Oscuro]

They might be using it for future games, other companies can copy the information even if it is just limited to music or changed character design...
Yes, Nintendo is obviously going to be re-using code that's probably only on your cartridge. That's even more true for some of the third party companies out there, even ones that haven't gone under yet.

The reason they should do it is - amazingly enough - to satisfy curiosity. I never said people would buy stuff for playability. Some people have a historical and not just financial interest in these things, as you know ;) I'm not one of the "omg free ROMz to play!!1" people (at least, I don't think I am); I like to see how stuff was put together and evolved over time.

As you say, DreamTR, they can use their IP in the future for a quick buck, but I don't really see how they would use some of it directly or even indirectly (we're talking SPC tunes and Mode7 graphics here, that's old even by NDS standards) without issuing a special enthusiast's historical release. The alternative is that they just sit on it forever and ever, which is certainly possible. We'll see - there's a lot more time ahead of us than behind.

[DreamTR]

Yes, Nintendo is obviously going to be re-using code that's probably only on your cartridge. That's even more true for some of the third party companies out there, even ones that haven't gone under yet.

The reason they should do it is - amazingly enough - to satisfy curiosity. I never said people would buy stuff for playability. Some people have a historical and not just financial interest in these things, as you know ;) I'm not one of the "omg free ROMz to play!!1" people (at least, I don't think I am); I like to see how stuff was put together and evolved over time.

As you say, DreamTR, they can use their IP in the future for a quick buck, but I don't really see how they would use some of it directly or even indirectly (we're talking SPC tunes and Mode7 graphics here, that's old even by NDS standards) without issuing a special enthusiast's historical release. The alternative is that they just sit on it forever and ever, which is certainly possible. We'll see - there's a lot more time ahead of us than behind.

Demand is only for the hardcore to "satify curiosity." Games are made for sales numbers. "Wouldn't it be cool if Nintendo released so and so on an NES cart?" Sure. If there was demand for sales of the thing, but it's not there. Not happening. Even Virtual Console matters take time...

[Ed Oscuro]

Why're you putting "satisfy curiosity" in quotes? Not convinced I'm serious, I see.

Time's one thing we've all got plenty of, so there's no rush.

Honestly I'm surprised nobody said the obvious thing, which is that Nintendo has more corporate (brand) pride than individual pride. Yet there's stuff like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7AECa66FI0)...

Really, anything Nintendo does with the IP is basically free money, ignoring bureaucracy. Basically, only Nintendo's (or any other company's - and lots of the prototypes out there are non-Nintendo after all) sucking would pose a problem to releasing some prototype information.

[DreamTR]

Why're you putting "satisfy curiosity" in quotes? Not convinced I'm serious, I see.

Time's one thing we've all got plenty of, so there's no rush.

Honestly I'm surprised nobody said the obvious thing, which is that Nintendo has more corporate (brand) pride than individual pride. Yet there's stuff like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7AECa66FI0)...

Really, anything Nintendo does with the IP is basically free money, ignoring bureaucracy. Basically, only Nintendo's (or any other company's - and lots of the prototypes out there are non-Nintendo after all) sucking would pose a problem to releasing some prototype information.

Again. Simple answer, not many people care about these types of items. If they did, Nintendo would release them. They release things that make money. Simple as that. Interest in protos and crap like this = not much.

[Sonicwolf]

Awesome prototype. The more different they are than the final version, the better.

Does anyone know if anyone owns a Mario Kart 64 prototype? I would love to see some real good screenshots of the prerelease versions with Magikoopa and such. I believe it was called Mario Kart R back then.

[ProgrammingAce]

There's the other factor, that they just plain don't have the pre-release copies anymore. It's not like they kept a bunch of eeproms sitting around ready to dump half finished games.

Unless they go into business with DreamTR, who probably has more betas then they do.

[DreamTR]

There's the other factor, that they just plain don't have the pre-release copies anymore. It's not like they kept a bunch of eeproms sitting around ready to dump half finished games.

Unless they go into business with DreamTR, who probably has more betas then they do.


Exactly. They destroyed most of the stuff they had or reused it....obviously "some" things are still unknown and buried away, but not like it is readily available to gather up everything unless it's old code on a server.

[Ed Oscuro]

Again. Simple answer, not many people care about these types of items. If they did, Nintendo would release them. They release things that make money. Simple as that. Interest in protos and crap like this = not much.
Of course, this has nothing to do with my original post which was just a pie-in-the-sky wish post. Funny.

Exactly. They destroyed most of the stuff they had or reused it....obviously "some" things are still unknown and buried away, but not like it is readily available to gather up everything unless it's old code on a server.
It'll be on 5.25" disks or old hard drives, but anyhow...

Having this code and the compiled prototypes in private hands is likely to beat having it in corporate hands where it'd just be forgotten forever. Valve has been, as I mentioned before, one of the smart ones about this, selling a lot of their "unreleasable" concept art and concepts by putting them between covers and selling them as books like Raising the Bar.

[antofarabia]

this thing is really cool ... I'm pretty sure I was 2nd highest bidder on that auction ... if you ever dump, i'd love to play it ... if you decide to sell, i'd love to know about it ... the screenshots look very cool though ... pretty nifty proto

[DreamTR]

Of course, this has nothing to do with my original post which was just a pie-in-the-sky wish post. Funny.

It'll be on 5.25" disks or old hard drives, but anyhow...

Having this code and the compiled prototypes in private hands is likely to beat having it in corporate hands where it'd just be forgotten forever. Valve has been, as I mentioned before, one of the smart ones about this, selling a lot of their "unreleasable" concept art and concepts by putting them between covers and selling them as books like Raising the Bar.

Ed OScuro, you're really stretching here. You just don't know. Seriously, they archive things, but not in the sense you are making it out to be. A lot of that stuff gets transferred IF they care about it, or tossed in the original format it came in.

[ProgrammingAce]

I can tell you for a fact that nobody kept any of the pre-release code from any of the games i've worked on, and i've worked on some AAA products. The corporate policy was to trash the code after 3 years. There was too much risk of contaminating current projects.

Even if the code was preserved, in many cases the artwork has changed and no longer matches the old code. Archiving all iterations of game artwork is more then most backup solutions can handle.

[Blitz Lunar]

Not sure how interesting this is to people here, but on the off-chance that it is -- I transcribed the two beta tracks to General MIDI (using the MP3s that van_halen kindly recorded.) Was pretty tricky, given the low quality of the MP3s and lack of SPC channel muting, but that said, I think they came out pretty well in the end.

Vanilla Lake: http://www.vgmusic.com/music/console/nintendo/snes/BL_smk_vanillalakebeta.mid
DK. Junior: http://www.vgmusic.com/music/console/nintendo/snes/BL_smk_dkjuniorwinsbeta.mid

(vgmusic blocks direct linking, though you can still get the files from their respective pages)

Cheers~

[van_halen]

Wow, good job and great ear! I think they sound really close, but I can unfortunately only tell from listening to the same mp3s myself.

[Blitz Lunar]

Thanks :D I did a little something extra as well, as a bit of fun -- I used a Super Mario Kart soundfont I made and arranged/recorded the Vanilla Lake sequence. It's as close as I can get it for now, though there's still quite a lot of guesswork. Additionally, the guitar's loop-point is horribly broken and sounds very wrong, haha. alas.

http://www.shakal.net/lunar/temp/vanillalakebeta.mp3

[ShinobiMan]

I think I know what Ed Oscuro is getting at. It's kind of like having a DVD with behind the scenes footage and extras about the making. If games are becoming more and more like movies, it would be nice to have rereleases on games like Super Mario Kart with prototype versions and betas as "special features".

[TheRedEye]

It'll be on 5.25" disks or old hard drives, but anyhow...

I don't know how Nintendo stored data specifically, but my guess is magnetic tape drive.

[OmochaoAbuser]

Wow, good job and great ear! I think they sound really close, but I can unfortunately only tell from listening to the same mp3s myself.
You would know nothing, you disgusting HOARDER! You refuse to hand over the ROM just to be a jerk, so we can't make .SPCs from it.

[van_halen]

You refuse to hand over the ROM...

The ROM? I haven't even backed it up yet you son of a booga wooga.

[DreamTR]

Omgthe Hoarders Bbq

[MatthewCallis]

You would know nothing, you disgusting HOARDER! You refuse to hand over the ROM just to be a jerk, so we can't make .SPCs from it.

Why didn't you just buy it? You have too much interest in it, and it didn't even go for that much.

[fahlim003]

The ROM? I haven't even backed it up yet you son of a booga wooga.

Excellent comeback (I'm serious). I look forward to any further news you bring on this somehow fiery topic.

[DreamTR]

MatthewCallis: He's not talking about the one that was on eBay. I ended up with that one. He's talking about the one I sold to Nicola that van_halen purchased.

[Volcanon]

you guys are still whining about how he won't release something he paid a lot of money for for free?

The game is bug-ridden and not a lot different than the final product. What's wrong with asking politely for some game play videos? He already posted some I think.

Its not like playing protos is terribly fun aside from the novelty.

[Hadokenryu]

Sorry to bother you but I'm curious about your Super Mario Kart. Did you get the game from a store that sells betas and prototype games? I'm so interested in owning a beta version of Super Mario Kart as well. I heard that there is a limited amount that exist but I'm trying to get one for myself. If there isn't an extra copy, would you mind if I were to buy the game from you? Just trying to be fair, yes I really would buy the game from you. I understand it's rarity and no I'm not gonna dump the game or anything like that; besides, I don't even know how to do that. Just to let you know I do like to collect games and other stuff; I have my own Japanese Super Famicom with Seiken Densetsu 3 (Secret of Mana 2) game. If you want, we could trade if you're interested. Sorry to sound stupid if I am but I really want to collect that game. Please comment me back. Thank you.

[DreamTR]

Sorry to bother you but I'm curious about your Super Mario Kart. Did you get the game from a store that sells betas and prototype games? I'm so interested in owning a beta version of Super Mario Kart as well. I heard that there is a limited amount that exist but I'm trying to get one for myself. If there isn't an extra copy, would you mind if I were to buy the game from you? Just trying to be fair, yes I really would buy the game from you. I understand it's rarity and no I'm not gonna dump the game or anything like that; besides, I don't even know how to do that. Just to let you know I do like to collect games and other stuff; I have my own Japanese Super Famicom with Seiken Densetsu 3 (Secret of Mana 2) game. If you want, we could trade if you're interested. Sorry to sound stupid if I am but I really want to collect that game. Please comment me back. Thank you.

There's TWO Mario KArt protos that exist, mine and Van_halen's.

I seriously doubt one of us will trade for a Super Famicom and Secret of Mana 2 game. You need to have some big bucks but I am willing to sell mine for the right price.

Also, there are no "stores" that sell beta/prototype games.

[Guy Bramsworth]

This reminds me of when I was like 12 and found a guy on a game trading site that had Sonic Crackers. I thought I could trick him into giving it to me for nothing by offering a copy of Zelda 64.

How old are you? Either you don't know the value of protos or you're trying to pull a fast one cuz you're too young and don't know any beter like I was :)

[van_halen]

Sorry to bother you but I'm curious about your Super Mario Kart. Did you get the game from a store that sells betas and prototype games? I'm so interested in owning a beta version of Super Mario Kart as well. I heard that there is a limited amount that exist but I'm trying to get one for myself. If there isn't an extra copy, would you mind if I were to buy the game from you? Just trying to be fair, yes I really would buy the game from you. I understand it's rarity and no I'm not gonna dump the game or anything like that; besides, I don't even know how to do that. Just to let you know I do like to collect games and other stuff; I have my own Japanese Super Famicom with Seiken Densetsu 3 (Secret of Mana 2) game. If you want, we could trade if you're interested. Sorry to sound stupid if I am but I really want to collect that game. Please comment me back. Thank you.

Sorry, I'm not planning on getting rid of it anytime soon. It actually came from DreamTR here who got it from one of his sources.


This reminds me of when I was like 12 and found a guy on a game trading site that had Sonic Crackers. I thought I could trick him into giving it to me for nothing by offering a copy of Zelda 64.

Heh, I wasn't much better when I had just started collecting many years ago. I remember that I once unintentionally made a low offer on the Legend of Zelda prototype because I was new and didn't have a freaking clue as to what things were worth. Of course, prices have gone up a bit since, but still... :)

[DreamTR]

That HadokenRy guy only made one post too. I wonder if he even knows how to use this message board properly.

[Niku-Sama]

interesting, nearly 10 years later beta 64 makes a video about this "new" information...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5JOUajBQeI

[ColecoFan1981]

I do wish somebody could please do an entire run of this version of SMK!

Thank you,



Ben

[fahlim003]

interesting, nearly 10 years later beta 64 makes a video about this "new" information...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5JOUajBQeI

Jumpin jehosophat, a bump for the ages.
Good luck to Beta64 ever hearing from van_halen, I'm confident no further information will ever surface on this game.

[Aussie2B]

I wonder if the same guy even still has it. I mean, he was saying on the first page of this topic that he wasn't expecting to stay in proto collecting forever.

[postulio]

out of curiosity, did you ever dump this? or you, DreamTR?
I'd love to give it a run to check out. I know dumping is really easy these days but understand people still don't want to share their protos, just asking =]

and yes, I'll totally help subsidize its release if that is what it takes


Game on