Resealed Lunar 2 - Eternal Blue for Sega CD. LOL!

[Bojay1997]

Not to be a jerk about this, but I'm not really sure what the point of this thread is. It's not like we are being warned not to buy from this guy since this seems to be a one-off and it's not like you're asking for our advice on how to handle it. Yes, you got ripped off and yes, it sucks. Having said that, hopefully you'll be more careful in the future and maybe reconsider trying to collect American sealed games from Russia.

[tmlfan]

You have a point. Fortunately the game i opened even had same holes and same sticker on front. :)
I believe seller really didn't know what he was selling. But he is still guilty. And even more guilty for trying to threat me to leave positive and to close paypal dispute before refund. That's a very inadequate behavior which really amazed me. He wasn't even trying to correct his own fault.. huh...He called me immature for not leaving positive first and also mentioned some interesting facts about "Georgia" and "boy from Brooklyn"... huh.. Only a retard and idiot can say such things.

I agree with you there, the seller handled it wrong. If it were me, I would have just sent a refund and said keep the game, end of dispute, lesson learned, I should have educated myself a little bettor on what I was selling.

I have had a lot of dealings on ebay, nothing that bad I dont remember, I did have someone leave me a neutral 2 days after winning an auction and said "did you ship it yet"
in the neutral response. I was like WTF, feedback is not a form of communication (new user), thats what email is for...

hope it works out for you

[Dark_Sol]

YOu know what? later that night i got like 5 or 6 emails from him with "Leave positive and you will have refund immidiately!! C'mon are you mature enough for this?? You have my word as a gentleman!"
LMAO..
pathetic... What is more funny that he escalated the claim himself. Probably thought he will win it easily, NO WAY!

[Dark_Sol]

Not to be a jerk about this, but I'm not really sure what the point of this thread is. It's not like we are being warned not to buy from this guy since this seems to be a one-off and it's not like you're asking for our advice on how to handle it. Yes, you got ripped off and yes, it sucks. Having said that, hopefully you'll be more careful in the future and maybe reconsider trying to collect American sealed games from Russia.
I guess this thread would be very educative for all worldwide buyers and sellers.
And of cause i won't reconsider anything. Damn but i need to buy a real videocamera....LOL

World of sealed collecting is very serious. And with grading and sealing machines it became even more..
When you decide to buy something for thousands of $ you must be 200% sure you're buying the right thing.
Actually i created this thread here because i needed help and advices from the best videogame community in the world. I am lucky we have such great people here!

[megasdkirby]

YOu know what? later that night i got like 5 or 6 emails from him with "Leave positive and you will have refund immidiately!! C'mon are you mature enough for this?? You have my word as a gentleman!"
LMAO..
pathetic... What is more funny that he escalated the claim himself. Probably thought he will win it easily, NO WAY!

What if he elevated it to a claim because he knows he has nothing in the account? So even if you win, you loose. That bites... :(

[Dark_Sol]

What if he elevated it to a claim because he knows he has nothing in the account? So even if you win, you loose. That bites... :(
Donnow. We'll see. At first he was offering partial refund very quickly. So maybe he has some. :)

[8bitnesfan]

Not always is that a scam.

If the tracking number says that the was not delivered, how is that a scam? Specially when you get this message:



Now here is where Paypal/Ebay should be more "intelligent". If the buyer claims they never received the item and eh tracking number displays that message, any competent Paypal employee should simply see the date when it was "processed" and compare it with the current date. In the example given above, if the message says Nov. 1 but the current date is Nov. 2, they have to give it more time instead of favoring the buyer. Alas, most Paypal employees aren't so bright...

Unfortunately, the seller is at the mercy of the Postal System. If the mail man forgets to scan and update the delivery status, they are at the mercy of mean buyers. :(

I agree

[8bitnesfan]

If they're already scammers, wouldn't they already know about this?

Yeah probably but maybe there are some people that are reading this saying "why didn't I think of that"

[tubeway]

Not to be a jerk about this, but I'm not really sure what the point of this thread is. It's not like we are being warned not to buy from this guy since this seems to be a one-off and it's not like you're asking for our advice on how to handle it. Yes, you got ripped off and yes, it sucks. Having said that, hopefully you'll be more careful in the future and maybe reconsider trying to collect American sealed games from Russia.

Boy, what a curmudgeon. I found this thread worth the time based on its entertainment value alone.

[Dark_Sol]

got this today. WTF is this? I am not a US resident. These sites are no use for me.



Dear Anton Kolbasov,

We’re contacting you to follow up on our request that you file a police
report to document your claim.

Complaint Details
------------------------------
Seller's Name: CHARLES GELISH
Seller's Email: GELSTAR#@AOL.COM
Seller's Transaction ID: 9D515277WM505044A
Transaction Date: Aug ##, ####
Transaction Amount: -$##.## USD
Your Transaction ID: 9L621845PB2909829
Case Number: PP-545-590-743
------------------------------

If you’re unable to file a police report with your local law enforcement
agency, you can file a report with various reputable Internet Fraud
Reporting sites.

If you choose to file a report through one of these sites, please make
sure that the report contains specific details regarding the item you
have received. You must send a copy of your official report to PayPal.

Below is a list of official government resources to help you report and
learn about internet fraud.

• Internet Fraud Complaint Center (US residents only)
http://www.ic#.gov
• Federal Trade Commission (US residents only)
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/microsites/idtheft/index.html

• Phone Busters (Canadian residents only)
http://www.phonebusters.com/

• RECOL (Canadian residents only)
https://www.recol.ca/intro.aspx

If you choose to contact any of these agencies and file a report, we
must receive a copy of the document by ##/##/#### in order to continue
investigating your claim.

Thank you for your cooperation and patience. We regret any inconvenience
this request may cause.

Sincerely,
Michael
Protection Services Department
PayPal, an eBay Company

[megasdkirby]

I sometimes wonder if the level of intelligence needed to work for Paypal is lower than 50...

But the email you got proves that they don't read anything or pay attention to anything you send them.

So what happened to the claim?

[Dark_Sol]

Well. Nothing actually. Still pending.
I became really tired and emailed seller. Offered him to cancel the claim and told him i will leave positive in advance as he wanted. He agreed and told me he will give refund after i leave pos. Well i left pos. Then he told me paypal froze his paypal funds so he could not do anything. I told him to go to our transaction and refund from there. He told me there's no refund button, he tried, and even emailed paypal directly. Told me that he guess that he cannot do anything till the claim is closed (is this for real or bullshit again??). Well. I can cancel the claim manually i guess i may be ripped twice if i do it. So i thought at least to wait till paypal moves to conclusions finally.

Also. Later on he emailed me and told he found some sega cd disc in bothers goods. He thought maybe it's a lunar cd and told me he could ship it at his own expense. I told him i don't need any cd's. Just a refund.

ohh and he also left pos for me.

[megasdkirby]

You will loose the claim.

If Paypal verifies that you left him positive feedback, they will automatically throw a verdict in his favor.

Unfortunately, that was the wrong thing to do. You may still win, but now it is very doubtful.

How many days till the claim ends?

Btw, DO NOT CLOSE THE CLAIM AT ANY COST.

[Dark_Sol]

He also left pos for me. Maybe they will think we agreed to end it all to good and he must give me refund finally (that's what i hope he emailed them for).
I am not closing claim for sure. It's a last resort for me. Maybe they can still charge it in my favor. Wonder what takes so long. There's no even a day for it's end. Paypal is still "investigating something".
It's that last email from paypal that made me think i've almost lost already. So i gave it a positive move.
Shit just realized i made it wrong leaving positive.. They may think i am happy and don't need refund. But maybe the fool's email will also help here. Weird. But it may help actually. I hope he is not tricking me..

[megasdkirby]

Maybe they can still charge it in my favor. Wonder what takes so long. There's no even a day for it's end. Paypal is still "investigating something".

Paypal gives 10 days since the claim was first realized. When did the seller elevate the claim? After 10 days, they should decide.


Shit just realized i made it wrong leaving positive.. They may think i am happy and don't need refund. But maybe the fool's email will also help here. Weird. But it may help actually. I hope he is not tricking me..

Unfortunately, he did trick you. By leaving positive feedback, Paypal will act as you said: as though everything was resolved and may close the claim in his favor. This is what surely will happen.

Check when the claim was submitted and count 10 days. The day that you encounter is the day the claim will end and someone will "win".

[Dark_Sol]

It was filed on 15t september! lol

[megasdkirby]

It was filed on 15t september! lol

WTF?

Something is wrong...they should have given a verdict by now.

But that's Paypal for you!

[Dark_Sol]

Oh yes! hehe.. for me.

[megasdkirby]

Oh yes! hehe.. for me.

So you won or is it still being decided?

You could call them and ask to review it once more. Last time I did that though, the guy was a real piece of work...the type that deserves a promotion, like a new job with a new company.

[jonjandran]

Paypal doesn't care whether positive was left or not. They don't factor that into their decision making process.

[megasdkirby]

Paypal doesn't care whether positive was left or not. They don't factor that into their decision making process.

Dunno...read alot at the Ebay Message boards about stories similar to this one...

[ryborg]

Dunno...read alot at the Ebay Message boards about stories similar to this one...

Misinformation on the ebay message board? Well I never....

The only time Paypal considers feedback during a dispute is when there is pertinent information left in the actual comment. Like, if you claim you've never received an item, but you've left a feedback saying "Good deal, fast shipping, works great, thanks" that will work against you. But if you simply left a positive saying "A+" it won't affect anything, dispute-wise.

Also


You will loose the claim.

LOSE

[megasdkirby]

Misinformation on the ebay message board? Well I never....

So everything in the message boards is wrong? Absolutely everything? I admit most of the people there are really "off", but not every situation is wrong. Stupid and repetitive yes, but...oh wait... hehehe


The only time Paypal considers feedback during a dispute is when there is pertinent information left in the actual comment. Like, if you claim you've never received an item, but you've left a feedback saying "Good deal, fast shipping, works great, thanks" that will work against you. But if you simply left a positive saying "A+" it won't affect anything, dispute-wise.

Also



LOSE

:) My bad. :) I keep getting confused. :)

But it depends on the representative. Some are more intelligent than others, and will distinguish the situations accordingly. But some...well...you know... I just hope that Dark_Sol gets to win in the end.

[gum_drops]

Dunno...read alot at the Ebay Message boards about stories similar to this one...

I tried it once, they didnt bother even looking at the feedback on ebay. Its pretty cut and dry with paypal sometimes.



Told me that he guess that he cannot do anything till the claim is closed (is this for real or bullshit again??).

When a claim is filed against you, you can at any time close the claim and agree to give the frozen funds back. So he is either BS'ing you, or just doesnt know how to do it.

[Dark_Sol]

Maybe he is super stupid, yet tries to be clever :)

[ryborg]

So everything in the message boards is wrong? Absolutely everything?

No of course not everything. I've posted on a million message boards over the years, and I've never seen seen more misinformation, censorship, fanboyism and such a complete lack of common sense on such a major internet board. I used to post there very frequently until I just gave up because it wasn't worth my time.

Anyway, good luck Dark_Sol with getting your money back. I can't believe this thread made it to 100 replies.

[Dark_Sol]

Thanx ryborg. I hope to get em back indeed. Anyway even if i lose it. The guy will have to live with that! hehe...

[megasdkirby]

No of course not everything. I've posted on a million message boards over the years, and I've never seen seen more misinformation, censorship, fanboyism and such a complete lack of common sense on such a major internet board. I used to post there very frequently until I just gave up because it wasn't worth my time.

Anyway, good luck Dark_Sol with getting your money back. I can't believe this thread made it to 100 replies.

You are right...I don't go there as much as possible anymore because of it. It's always the same thing constantly, which gets annoying.

I hope you win Dark_Sol. If possible, let us know of the outcome. I hope it's a happy one. :)

[Dark_Sol]

Sure i'll let know everyone.

[Dark_Sol]

We received your claim for the following transaction:

Seller's Name: CHARLES GELISH
Seller's Email: GELSTAR1@AOL.COM
Seller's Transaction ID: 9D515277WM505044A

Transaction Date: Aug 22, 2008
Transaction Amount: -$62.84 USD
Your Transaction ID: 9L621845PB2909829
Case Number: PP-545-590-743

We have determined that you are entitled to a refund for this transaction.
To receive your refund, you must follow these steps:

1) Return - Return the item to the Seller at the following address:

79 BOWFELL CT. WAYNE, NJ 07470

2) Online Tracking - Ship the item to the Seller using any shipping
service that provides tracking that is viewable online, such as those
offered by UPS, FedEx, or DHL
3) Online Proof of Delivery  For transactions equal to $250.00 or more in
value, obtain online proof-of-delivery from the shipping service in the
form of a signature from the recipient.
4) Provide Info - Provide PayPal with your shipping information within 10
days of receiving this email. Please note, if you do not provide the
shipping information within this timeframe, your claim will be denied and
you will not receive a refund
5) Cost of Shipping - You are responsible for paying the shipping costs to
return the item to the seller

To provide your shipping information, please complete the following:

1) Log in to your PayPal account
2) Go to the Resolution Center page and select Open Cases from the
drop-down menu
3) Find the transaction or claim in question and click "Respond" in the
Action column
4) Choose Provide Tracking Information
5) Enter the tracking number and shipping company in the appropriate
fields
6) Click Submit Tracking Info

Once we confirm your shipping information, we will credit your PayPal
account. Please note that your refund amount is based on the Protection
Coverage listed on the Auction and could be less than the original
transaction amount.

Sincerely,
David
Protection Services Department
PayPal, an eBay Company

what can i say - PAYPAL ARE FREAKIN POOP EATING MORONS!!! HOPE THEY DRINK DIARRHEA FROM BUFFALO'S *SS.

[JohnnyA]

So if you return it, you'll get your money back?

[Dark_Sol]

Kinda yes.... If a return and empty case i may possible get money back. Huh... The problem is that it's pain in the ass. Worldwide trackable EMS will cost me about the cost of the whole transaction itself. And cheaper airmail is trackable only inside Russia. I am not sure paypal will count this in as a proof. They already prooved they are stupid morons.

[ryborg]

I am not sure paypal will count this in as a proof. They already prooved they are stupid morons.

No, that won't count. I think in your situation, EMS is the cheapest way, unfortunately. That's part of the problem with Not-As-Described Paypal disputes internationally; if you "win" you still have to pay to return the item with proof of delivery.

[Dark_Sol]

Looks like paypal don't look at the pictures and at the faxes at all.. MORONS.
I guess i should have filed a "not recieved" and see that dude jumping and tearing his ass apart to proove paypal the same crap.

[Dark_Sol]

Holy crap dudes. You won't believe it.
As a last resort (when paypal forced meww to return the item) i closed the claim manually and told the seller that now his funds were released.
He told me he will try to refund it. Well ... after a week of trying he told me the funds don't go throw since russian paypal accounts are send only. I told me he's doing the wrong way and explained him the correct sequence. Well and he refunded completely!

[megasdkirby]

Well, at least a happy ending to this entire dilema!

Sellers should really be careful and invesigate what they sell before selling. Even if they think something is "off", they should make sure before selling it.

Congrats man. :)

[Dark_Sol]

Thanx bro. It was the most insane and dramatic ebay experience so far :) And i've been on ebay for almost 5 years...

[carlcarlson]

Good job, score one for the buyer! I'm glad you didn't have to follow paypal's insane requirements.

[cyberfluxor]

Dude, happy everything turned out okay. That was some drama indeed. You need to somehow get a 3rd party in the States to help you out or something. International eBay is insane, and all I grab are Japanese items from those with good shipping rates and massive positive feedback. Otherwise, just too questionable. :-/

[Kyle15]

Wow! Good going. :D
Glad it turned out well.

[Fuyukaze]

My advice for you, please give up on ebay. You've had so many bad experiences in the past what, 2 years? 5 different times? You have horrid luck with it and I'm willing to bet it has everything to do with you being in the country you are. Some sellers think international bidders are open season. Check your back, I think there's a target on it.

[megasdkirby]

My advice for you, please give up on ebay. You've had so many bad experiences in the past what, 2 years? 5 different times? You have horrid luck with it and I'm willing to bet it has everything to do with you being in the country you are. Some sellers think international bidders are open season. Check your back, I think there's a target on it.

I don't think it is him...I think it is because many Ebay sellers have gone down the crapper recently.

So far, I have had a plethora of sellers not responding to messages, hiking up fees after auction ends, etc. I've had to resort to more PayPal claims than ever before, which is sad because I have used it perhaps once or twice during the time I was with Ebay (before).

Although some buyers are causing havoc on Ebay, so are many sellers. Something is terribly wrong...

[Dark_Sol]

Yes..Ebay turned to somewhat darker side recently...Possibly the ebay system itself makes people more evil and fishy and evasive. Everyone tries to rip you off here and there.. I'm opening disputes more often.
But i have no other market to buy games from.

[Jimmy Yakapucci]

Nice to see you trying to make the best of a bad situation. After getting a full refund, you now seem to be selling this "fake sealed game" as an "Sega CD - Lunar 2 Eternal Blue UBER RARE DISPLAY CASE!" for the bargain price of $299!!

eBay item # 130295711767

That box is just a game that the store probably opened and pulled the disc tray out of. As for your claim about the artwork, "The "new" manual and back artwork are present though. Which double confirms that that is not made from the casual Sega CD Lunar 2... " How is this artwork any different from the artwork in the other copies that are for sale right now on eBay? That is the same artwork that is in my copy.

Not trying to be an ass, but when I saw this advertised on eBay, I noticed that you were selling it and remembered this thread.

JY

[gum_drops]

Yes..Ebay turned to somewhat darker side recently...Possibly the ebay system itself makes people more evil and fishy and evasive. Everyone tries to rip you off here and there..

It appears the forces of Evilbay have turned Young Padawan Sol over to the Darkside.

http://xs137.xs.to/xs137/09134/vader_ebay840.jpg

[megasdkirby]

Nice to see you trying to make the best of a bad situation. After getting a full refund, you now seem to be selling this "fake sealed game" as an "Sega CD - Lunar 2 Eternal Blue UBER RARE DISPLAY CASE!" for the bargain price of $299!!

eBay item # 130295711767

That box is just a game that the store probably opened and pulled the disc tray out of. As for your claim about the artwork, "The "new" manual and back artwork are present though. Which double confirms that that is not made from the casual Sega CD Lunar 2... " How is this artwork any different from the artwork in the other copies that are for sale right now on eBay? That is the same artwork that is in my copy.

Not trying to be an ass, but when I saw this advertised on eBay, I noticed that you were selling it and remembered this thread.

JY

I agree

The game could have been an original one in which the store associates removed the inner tray, leaving the outer shell. So it may not be a display case per se (although it actually is...I dunno, I'm confusing myself).

And for $299? Well, best of luck in the auction, though. :)

[eskobar]

This is real bullshit, DarkSol, you are always complaining about the ass.hole resellers that plague ebay and this is far worst ... didn't you get a full refund?

I considered you a serious collector, not expected to see this crap from you.