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josekortez
10-11-2008, 09:21 PM
I know that there have been a few threads about specific PlayStation 2 late release games, but I wanted to start one just to discuss some of the hidden gems that are forthcoming for the die-hard fans.

Most of the people who are still into the PS2 have bought recently released games like Yakuza 2, a game that I think has more depth than a lot of the stuff that has come out on the newer systems, but there are a few more decent games like Dokapon Kingdom, Persona 4, Eternal Poison, Samurai Shodown Anthology and King of the Fighters: Orochi Saga that will come out for the system in the U.S. before it's completely dead.

Has anyone tried any of the budget games that keep popping up and can anyone tell if (a) these are good games or (b) if they might be collectable or just junk?

Specifically, I'm referring to budget games that I've seen such as Women's Volleyball Championship and Garfield: Lasagna World Tour. However, I haven't bought either of these games yet because I'm waiting to hear more on them from people who have actually purchased and tried them versus reading a Metacritic score derived from two people's submissions.

And yes, before someone says it, I already know these aren't games with the depth and production values of a God of War or a Devil May Cry. Still, some of the budget games that got released at the end of the PS1's life cycle are still some of my favorite PS1 games, so I'm hoping that some of these games don't suck...

DigitalSpace
10-11-2008, 10:47 PM
Nice thread idea. The PS2 might be at a point right now where most of the newer releases are for... well, completist and masochistic collectors only, but I'll be looking forward to reading about the diamonds in the rough. As you pointed out, the PlayStation had some pretty decent budget stuff released in its last few years, so here's to the Qix Neos and Turnabouts and Italian Jobs and Gekioh: Shooting Kings... and even the Patriotic Pinballs that may be on the PS2.

TonyTheTiger
10-11-2008, 11:05 PM
I'm looking forward to Ar Tonelico 2. And not in the weird perverted kind of way. For whatever crazy reason, I found the first one charming if not a little sleazy.

josekortez
10-12-2008, 09:42 AM
Oh yeah, I had forgotten about Artonelico 2 and that we were also getting the Kingdom Heart: Chain of Memories remake of the Game Boy Advance game on PS2 in the next few months. See, there are still worthwhile games coming, even though the floodgates haven't burst.

I think that since I've finally gotten around to playing some of the PS2 games I already owned and neglected, it only makes me want to have more new PS2 games on the release list.

Also, has anyone tried that Ferrari game that Activision released?

roushimsx
10-12-2008, 09:54 AM
I'm really looking forward to Army Men: Soldiers of Misfortune (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0017XFP9K/) (if my previous thread didn't give that away already).

MLB Power Pros (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000V1OURM/) was a hella good budget game, as was the 2008 followup (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0019C6KAW/). I've yet to put much time into Sheppard's Crossing (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001D0I0AI/) yet, but it looks like it may be worth sinking some time into as well.

Falling Stars (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001BWRB9O/) should only be bought with the knowledge that it's horrible and you're buying it because you want to support Valcon in the hopes that they'll one day actually release RC Mini Chopper. I think IGN did a review on Falling Stars that was pretty spot on.

Speaking of which, please buy Daisenryaku VII: Exceed (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000SH3XIG/), if not for yourself (because it's fucking excellent) then to support Valcon's good releases in the hopes that they'll one day be able to release RC Mini Chopper. Yes, I'm that hard up for RC Mini Chopper and yes, I'm seriously thinking about just importing it along with the special controller at about 10x the cost that it'd be if Valcon were able to release it here. :(

I haven't put any time into DT Carnage (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001BWRAXQ/) yet to see if it was better than DT Racing, but it'd be hard for it not to be better. Can't find any comparisons between the two games other than on the developer's site, so maybe I'll have to spend a weekend punishing myself and write something up.

Dog Island (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000MTF05E) is going to be more or less the sequel to Petz Dogz 2 / Petz Catz 2, I believe (interface is different, at least). For the target age group, they weren't bad.

Anyone try Code Lyoko: Quest for Infinity (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0014DFCOG/) yet? I'm not familiar with the franchise and don't know if it'd be an ok jumping in point or if I should play the DS game first or what.

There's a new Onimusha Bundle (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001FBJUYK/) that should be an absolute no-brainer (much like the previous Metal Gear Solid bundle (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001383L36/))

King of Fighter: Orochi Saga (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001EN3YVO/) is another no brainer. Hopefully the emulation (or porting?!?) is up to snuff (you know, unlike SNK Classics Vol 1).

...and I know I'm most likely throwing money in the drain on these two, but I'm seriously curious about M&M's Adventure (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00189MNO8/) and PBR: Out of the Chute (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001AR0D2C/).

Not too sure about the rest of the $20 and under releases in Amazon's schedule, but I'll keep an eye on them. I'm a sucker for cheap entertainment (or a ridiculously bad game available for just the right price)

edit - and in the realm of more expensive games (50% more expensive!), Yakuza 2 is in fact the bee's fucking knees.

josekortez
10-12-2008, 10:10 AM
I hadn't heard of Sheppard's Crossing. Is that an RPG?

I can say with 99% certainty that KOF: Orochi Saga is going to be the same one that was developed and released in Japan but translated. Terminal Reality, the company behind Bloodrayne, was the one that converted Metal Slug Anthology and SNK Classics: Vol. 1, but I don't think that company is slated to do anymore SNK compilations.

An updated version of King of the Fighters '98 has also been rumored as a U.S. PS2 release, but since the original is on Orochi Saga's lineup, there's no telling whether it will come out or not.

Dog Island is another game that was originallly released on the PSP in Japan. It isn't related to the Petz games at all since it was developed by Yuke's, the company that also developed Sword of the Berserk for Dreamcast, although it is the same idea.

And when I saw PBR at first, I thought it was Pabst Blue Ribbon instead of Power Bull Riding. A Pabst Blue Ribbon game on PS2 would rock!

roushimsx
10-12-2008, 10:46 AM
I love Terminal Reality's original work, but their console-based emulation releases are so very...underwhelming. The stuff out of SNK is generally pretty hot, though it's a shame that their games don't get the amount of love that KoF98 and 99 did on the DC. Well ok, 94 did on the PS2, but will we ever see that stateside? :(

Petz Dogz 2 and Petz Catz 2 for PS2/Wii were both developed by Yukes, if you can believe it (same game, different animals). They're very, VERY similar to Dog Island. Not totally sure why Ubi decided to release those two games in the US the way they did instead of under a new banner...it's not like the Petz franchise is known for adventure games and such.

Not that I'm complaining; I thought it was a welcome breath of fresh air and I hope they kill their substandard pet simulators sooner rather than later. They've never been all that interesting for as long as they've been making them.

IGN has a preview of Shepherd's Crossing (http://ps2.ign.com/articles/886/886916p1.html) and if you do pick it up, Valcon put up handy charts on their page (http://www.valcongames.com/shepherdscrossing.htm).

ubersaurus
10-12-2008, 11:44 AM
I hadn't heard of Sheppard's Crossing. Is that an RPG?

I can say with 99% certainty that KOF: Orochi Saga is going to be the same one that was developed and released in Japan but translated. Terminal Reality, the company behind Bloodrayne, was the one that converted Metal Slug Anthology and SNK Classics: Vol. 1, but I don't think that company is slated to do anymore SNK compilations.

An updated version of King of the Fighters '98 has also been rumored as a U.S. PS2 release, but since the original is on Orochi Saga's lineup, there's no telling whether it will come out or not.

Dog Island is another game that was originallly released on the PSP in Japan. It isn't related to the Petz games at all since it was developed by Yuke's, the company that also developed Sword of the Berserk for Dreamcast, although it is the same idea.

And when I saw PBR at first, I thought it was Pabst Blue Ribbon instead of Power Bull Riding. A Pabst Blue Ribbon game on PS2 would rock!

The US Orochi Collection is adding KOF 94 and 98 to the collection, but I'm guessing they just lifted the emulations from Rebout and Ultimate Match, respectively.

As for the new KOF 98 Ultimate Match, I hear its on course for January. Excellent, excellent game. There's also the Samurai Shodown Collection on its way to the US sometime in the next few months.

videogameking26
10-12-2008, 12:47 PM
I'm looking forward to Ford Racing: Off Road and Jeep Thrills, big into the genre and when they drop I will buy before I can't find them. That M'Ms Adventures sounds fun if it's a platformer, will look into that Garfield one also.

josekortez
10-12-2008, 01:03 PM
I'm looking forward to Ford Racing: Off Road and Jeep Thrills, big into the genre and when they drop I will buy before I can't find them. That M'Ms Adventures sounds fun if it's a platformer, will look into that Garfield one also.

It's funny because this is either the second or third Garfield game released for PS2 worldwide, but only the first that ever made it here in America.

I know I've seen a listing for a Japanese version of Garfield: The Search for Arlene distributed by Titus on Playasia.com and there was talk of a game based on the live action Garfield movie, but this Lasagna World Tour game is something new.

Oh, and I also forgot that Popcap Vol. 2 is coming out for the PS2 later this month with the games Heavy Weapon and Zuma.

CosmicMonkey
10-12-2008, 04:37 PM
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Aussie2B
10-12-2008, 08:15 PM
Wow, I had heard on several occasions that Falling Stars was awful, but nothing could've prepared me for the horror of actually checking out some screen shots. I was curious if it was actually developed in Japan since Agetec has a history of releasing obscure Japanese RPGs that the general populace doesn't like but are awesome to a select crowd (King's Field and what have you), but after I saw it only came out in the US and Europe, I figured it was made by some crappy, inexperienced British or French company. But I was quite shocked to see it was created by a Lithuanian developer. O_o I gotta admit, that fact actually makes me want to buy the game, haha. I wouldn't be surprised if Ivolgamus is the only professional game developer in any of the Baltic states (Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia), and since my family is from that region, it's especially interesting to me. :) At least they have more of an excuse as to why they totally suck at game development, haha.

Shepherd's Crossing, however, is surprisingly cool looking. I think I might have to pick that up. It sounds like a more complex Harvest Moon. Nice storybook style to the graphics too. And Success is a pretty decent developer.

You know, it's funny, I'm taking more interest in upcoming PS2 releases now than I ever did when it was still truly alive and kickin'. There's something especially interesting about these obscure, budget games of that may have never been considered for release when the PS2 was still considered current. It's exciting to see what weird stuff they decide to localize from Japan now that competition from big name titles is slim. Plus, as we all know, video game history shows that late releases have a higher chance of being rarer and/or more valuable than the earlier stuff, so it's worthwhile picking up the quality games while they're still cheap (just look at Castlevania Chronicles for PS1).

bcks007
10-12-2008, 08:25 PM
Popcap Vol. 2 is already in stores, josekortez.

josekortez
10-12-2008, 08:42 PM
Yeah, I haven't been in a Gamestop in several weeks due to my finances, so thanks for letting me know that Popcap Vol. 2 is out, bcks. I have the first one. I wish they had released a bunch of those Popcap games on one compilation like they did with the 360 version instead of splitting them up. I mean, what did they think - that a PS2 disc couldn't hold four casual games? Hasn't anyone heard of Taito Legends 2?

And I wish Thunderforce VI would come to the States, but that's highly unlikely. I am definitely going to import that one. I hope I won't have to prostitute myself to do so. I probably wouldn't even be able to cover the shipping from Japan.

E Nice
10-12-2008, 10:05 PM
I'm just waiting for Ikki Tousen: Shining Dragon to be released stateside by Valcon Games. It's not a particulary good game, played the import version, but I want to know the story mode dialogue.

It was said to have been out earlier this year but each time it seemed the release date got pushed back. The next supposed release date is by the end of this month but I'm unaware of it being available for pre-ordering, unlike the last release date in which it was but then cancelled.

roushimsx
10-12-2008, 11:00 PM
I'm just waiting for Ikki Tousen: Shining Dragon to be released stateside by Valcon Games.

I'm in the same boat, though it's more because I just have to see the game first hand than anything else. But hey, Valcon release! $15 when it finally comes out!

Kitsune Sniper
10-12-2008, 11:21 PM
There's a new Onimusha Bundle (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001FBJUYK/) that should be an absolute no-brainer (much like the previous Metal Gear Solid bundle (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001383L36/))

King of Fighter: Orochi Saga (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001EN3YVO/) is another no brainer. Hopefully the emulation (or porting?!?) is up to snuff (you know, unlike SNK Classics Vol 1).

Wow! I was hoping for an Onimusha collection. It's a no-brainer. I'll defintely be picking that up.

As for Orochi Saga, G1M2 is the one that took care of most of SNK's compilations (except for Metal Slug Anthology and SNK Arcade classics). All their work has been near perfect so I'm not expecting anything less out of any of their future work.


I can say with 99% certainty that KOF: Orochi Saga is going to be the same one that was developed and released in Japan but translated. Terminal Reality, the company behind Bloodrayne, was the one that converted Metal Slug Anthology and SNK Classics: Vol. 1, but I don't think that company is slated to do anymore SNK compilations.

An updated version of King of the Fighters '98 has also been rumored as a U.S. PS2 release, but since the original is on Orochi Saga's lineup, there's no telling whether it will come out or not.

It's not rumored. The developer (http://www.g1m2.com/) pretty much confirmed it (http://videogamemedia.com/articles/news/1358).


I love Terminal Reality's original work, but their console-based emulation releases are so very...underwhelming. The stuff out of SNK is generally pretty hot, though it's a shame that their games don't get the amount of love that KoF98 and 99 did on the DC. Well ok, 94 did on the PS2, but will we ever see that stateside? :(

I'm still hoping for a budget '94 Re-Bout release. :\


The US Orochi Collection is adding KOF 94 and 98 to the collection, but I'm guessing they just lifted the emulations from Rebout and Ultimate Match, respectively.

As for the new KOF 98 Ultimate Match, I hear its on course for January. Excellent, excellent game. There's also the Samurai Shodown Collection on its way to the US sometime in the next few months.

I can't believe SNK is actually adding 94 and 98 to this collection. Dammit! I want 94 Rebout to be released on its own. :\

I can't imagine them being able to fit all five games on one DVD, at least not if they add arranged music... augh.

j_factor
10-13-2008, 02:20 AM
Any PSP to PS2 conversions out recently, or on the horizon? That seemed to be a mini-trend for a while but I haven't been seeing them lately.

bcks007
10-13-2008, 06:17 AM
Could someone make a list of games that use the, PSP to PS2 conversions?
I've been thinking about getting a psp, so a list of what works like that would be awesome. :)

CosmicMonkey
10-13-2008, 12:11 PM
I think j_factor was referring to PSP games that later got ported to the PS2. Titles such as Grand Theft Auto (Liberty City Stories?) which was an original PSP game, and then received a PS2 port.

mailman187666
10-13-2008, 01:23 PM
I think I'm mainly going to stick with the RPG releases this late in the collection. Ar Tonelico 2, Persona 4, Eternal Poison ect. I am looking foward to the Samurai Shodown collection. A lot of the other budget titles I try and refrain from buying only because eventually it would be those titles I'd end up selling off when/if I'm desperate for money. I haven't really tried any new PS2 games probably since Mana Khemia came out.

heybtbm
10-13-2008, 02:32 PM
As for the new KOF 98 Ultimate Match, I hear its on course for January. Excellent, excellent game. There's also the Samurai Shodown Collection on its way to the US sometime in the next few months.

Is that it for the SNK PS2 compilations right now? Besides KOF and SSC, I haven't heard anything. Theoretically, there should be a NeoGeo Arcade Vol. 2, and Fatal Fury Vol. 3...right?

Kitsune Sniper
10-13-2008, 03:21 PM
Is that it for the SNK PS2 compilations right now? Besides KOF and SSC, I haven't heard anything. Theoretically, there should be a NeoGeo Arcade Vol. 2, and Fatal Fury Vol. 3...right?

Japan got a few games in the series we didn't:

* Garou: Mark Of The Wolves (http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/official/online/mow/index.php) (it fits in the series because it's an online game in Japan)
* Fuun Super Combo (http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/official/online/fuun/index.php) (Savage Reign + Kizuna Encounter)
* Gekka No Kenshi 1+2 (http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/official/online/gekka1-2/index.php) (Last Blade 1 + 2)
* Sunsoft Collection (http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/official/online/sunsoft/index.php) (Waku Waku 7 + Galaxy Fight)

Considering how crappy SNK Arcade Classics turned out, I don't think they'll make a volume two. They didn't even release that atrocity in Japan! I doubt they'll make a Fatal Fury Volume 3 unless they decide to toss Wild Ambition and Real Bout: Dominated Mind (both PS1 games) on a PS2 disc somehow (and translate Dominated Mind). Considering they didn't bother with the PS1 SS games, I doubt this'll happen.

However...

SNK Playmore's website has a listing on their upcoming release list... "ADK魂" ADK Soul, literally. After some online searching I found...

http://plaza.rakuten.co.jp/takupyi/diary/200809030000/

Which has links to Niconico Douga videos of GanGan (Agressors of Dark Kombat) and Ninja Master's. No official announcement yet, but I'm hoping it's true...

j_factor
10-13-2008, 04:10 PM
I think j_factor was referring to PSP games that later got ported to the PS2. Titles such as Grand Theft Auto (Liberty City Stories?) which was an original PSP game, and then received a PS2 port.

Yes. Other examples would be Lumines Plus, Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror, Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters, Tokobot Plus, and Twisted Metal: Head-On. There was also supposed to be a PS2 port of Logan's Shadow, but I haven't seen any word lately.

I'm kind of hoping for this "trend" to be extended, because I don't have a PSP, and this is an "easy" way for them to extend the life of the PS2.

josekortez
10-14-2008, 01:27 AM
I bought a copy of Women's Volleyball Championship today, and I have to say that it is quite frustrating in single-player. Perhaps it was the fact that it was a simulation-style game instead of an arcade-style game that turned me off.

I would imagine that it isn't that bad in multiplayer, but getting one of my buddies to take me on in a last-gen game called Women's Volleyball Championship isn't likely, so I may never know.

I've been trying to find out which original Japanese title they converted to make this one, though. Spike is the developer, and that's all I know so far.

Kitsune Sniper
10-14-2008, 02:25 AM
I bought a copy of Women's Volleyball Championship today, and I have to say that it is quite frustrating in single-player. Perhaps it was the fact that it was a simulation-style game instead of an arcade-style game that turned me off.

I would imagine that it isn't that bad in multiplayer, but getting one of my buddies to take me on in a last-gen game called Women's Volleyball Championship isn't likely, so I may never know.

I've been trying to find out which original Japanese title they converted to make this one, though. Spike is the developer, and that's all I know so far.

FIVB Volleyball World Cup Venus Evolution, maybe? The screenshots seem to match.

http://volleyball-venus.jp/

Aussie2B
10-14-2008, 09:33 PM
I gotta say, this topic officially rocks. I gotta thank roushimsx for bringing up Shepherd's Crossing (and Valcon Games; never even heard of them previously). Anybody who's at all interested in Harvest Moon really should pick it up. I've put a few hours into it, and it's such a charming, relaxing little game. Absolutely worth the measly 15 bucks. It's not without its quirks and flaws, like how it's a bit difficult to precisely position the character where you want him, but I'd say the good outweighs the bad. Considering how Harvest Moon fanatics have increased the prices on some of those games, I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually discover this one. While it may never be expensive, I don't see it ever being much cheaper than $15. Granted, some players may be turned off by the fact that you don't have the dating elements nor do you have to tend to crops quite as extensively (no tilling or watering necessary), but considering there's so much other stuff going on, it still feels far more complex. After a while, Harvest Moon just kinda degenerates into: buy seeds, plant seeds, water plants until they can be picked, sell off everything, rinse and repeat with more/better seeds.

Sudo
10-14-2008, 09:41 PM
Persona 4 will likely be the last new PS2 game I buy, and perhaps Thunder Force Vi if it ends up coming out here.

josekortez
10-14-2008, 10:17 PM
Has anyone seen Shepherd's Crossing at a brick & mortar store other than EB Games? I'd never heard of it myself and I don't feel like ordering from Amazon, but I'd be interested in trying it.

Icarus Moonsight
12-04-2008, 04:58 PM
Hey Jose! Keep reading. :p

Just bought Shepherd's Crossing today at Best Buy in their holiday dumpbin of $15 games. Looked pretty good to me (box art, screens and description). Haven't tried it yet, it's a gift for my wife. She really digs Harvest Moon (bad pun, I know) so I figured this was pretty much a no brainer. Anyone that has tried it care to say how it is? PM me or hey, this game just may deserve it's own discussion thread. Give it some attention. :)

KoF 98 Ultimate Match is going to be a day one purchase for me. Got Orochi Saga last weekend. Persona 4 has tore up the metacritic charts... It's currently their top ranked game for PS2. Sort of speaks for itself huh?

If we get Thunderforce VI I am going to lock myself in a room for a whole weekend. Just me, a couple cases of Mountain Dew, caffine tablets, a PS2, arcade stick and TF6. Sounds like heaven. Which is why I expect it won't happen. LOL

josekortez
12-04-2008, 10:37 PM
I have purchased Shepherd's Crossing, but I haven't had any time to play it lately. I've only seen one copy and I found it at Toys R Us of all places.

Also, I've been sitting on a copy of Ferrari Challenge Trofeo Pirelli for a month, but since it's by Eutechnyx (developers of Street Racing Syndicate), I don't have great expectations for that one.

Hopefully, I'll have time to try them out in-depth this weekend and then I'll be able to give a good review of both.

Sotenga
12-06-2008, 06:55 PM
I'd like to hear from anyone who has KoF: Orochi Saga. I've heard from some boards that they changed quite a few things around, and not really for the better. If anyone can talk about OS and convince me that it's worth a purchase, I'll look into it as soon as I can.

ubersaurus
12-06-2008, 07:22 PM
I'd like to hear from anyone who has KoF: Orochi Saga. I've heard from some boards that they changed quite a few things around, and not really for the better. If anyone can talk about OS and convince me that it's worth a purchase, I'll look into it as soon as I can.

I like it. Honestly, it's 15 bucks for 5 ports of expensive neo geo carts. Yes, there's load times. Yes, there's no in-game arranged soundtrack. There are a couple audio glitches that aren't very major. Who the fuck cares? The games are just as unforgiving in controls and difficulty as the actual neo carts, the extras are nifty, and the challenges...aren't really that challenging, but whatever.

Quite frankly, I think it's worth it just for arcade perfect ports of 5 KOF games anyway.

Icarus Moonsight
12-06-2008, 08:21 PM
With Orochi Saga, 00/01, 02/03, XII and soon the revised 98 (my personal favorite KoF entry) the PS2 is the AES/MVS-less KoF fans dream machine. I'd think one would need one good reason not to pick up OS... And I haven't heard a good one yet.

I'm looking to get the PSP version when I find one used or new for $20 or less.

Is Neo Geo Battle Colosseum any good? I've bumped into it a few times and almost bought it more than once... Always put it back though.

swlovinist
12-06-2008, 08:55 PM
Is Neo Geo Battle Colosseum any good? I've bumped into it a few times and almost bought it more than once... Always put it back though.

I would get it, you can find it used for like $15 or so. I liked it.

j_factor
12-06-2008, 11:14 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the revised '98 never came out. Remember KoF '94 Rebout?

Icarus Moonsight
12-06-2008, 11:28 PM
Supposed to hit Jan 20th 09. I'll try and pre-order it. If Game Crazy has it in their system I'll worry much less about it not showing up. Otherwise... :eek:

MarkM2112
12-13-2008, 04:02 PM
Has anyone seen Shepherd's Crossing at a brick & mortar store other than EB Games? I'd never heard of it myself and I don't feel like ordering from Amazon, but I'd be interested in trying it.


Just picked this up for $9.99 at Farm and Fleet of all places... This looked interesting to me... kind of like an RPG in the Harvest Moon vein... Unfortunately, there is scant little info on this game on the internet... even on Valcom's own website... Any reviews of this game from people here?

Cryomancer
12-14-2008, 03:16 AM
Hopefully, we will see some Simple 2000 series come over, other than just fishing and darwin.