View Full Version : WTF? Next Gen-Gen so soon?
Spittin' Jack Sanchez
10-28-2008, 10:24 PM
I was told that next-gen comes out in 1-2 years....is this true? If so, are they even giving systems a CHANCE? The ps3 JUST took off....the ps2 lasted forever...this gen of consoles seemed short.
Rumors. I'd expect to see the next Xbox in 2010, it won't be next year. The next PlayStation won't come out until at least a year or two after that, IMO. Sony needs to actually make some money on the PS3 first.
otaku
10-28-2008, 11:34 PM
360-2010 makes sense
Ps3 kill it off around 2012 or so
Wii-2010 or 11?
But yeah we still have plenty of life left for these machines.
Buyatari
10-29-2008, 12:19 AM
360-2010 makes sense
Ps3 kill it off around 2012 or so
Wii-2010 or 11?
But yeah we still have plenty of life left for these machines.
what's the Wii sequal going to be called? Nutz?
PapaStu
10-29-2008, 01:38 AM
what's the Wii sequal going to be called? Nutz?
Mr. Nutz actually
G-Boobie
10-29-2008, 02:03 AM
I think that we're going to see a longer wait for the next generation of consoles than people are currently thinking(the Wii non-withstanding. I'll bet money that we see a DSi/GBA style Wii upgrade by 2010). The global economy is in the literal shitter, Sony has yet to make money on the PS3, and Microsoft just did a huge front end upgrade to the 360 dashboard. Not to mention the XNA initiative and Netflix deal.
I think the earliest we'll see the new Xbox is 2011. The PS4? I don't even have a guess.
The 1 2 P
10-29-2008, 02:04 AM
what's the Wii sequal going to be called? Nutz?
I think Privates would work better. I can just picture the slogan now: "it's not about Wii's, it's not about V's--it's all about Privates"LOL
mailman187666
10-29-2008, 10:13 AM
If anything I think they are all just going to make the systems smaller and cheaper, with possibilities of extra features not included on the original design. I don't think there will be a new generation of systems until they learn more from this one. I would probably expect there to be new handhelds comming out before there would be any home consoles. I know I really wouldn't want to invest in something new within' the next couple years because I really can't forsee anything being much different than it is now.
titanzguard
10-29-2008, 10:21 AM
No new systems for atleast 3-4 more years!
backguard
10-29-2008, 10:28 AM
better than listening to industry rumors, i think you can just take a look at the size of a console's library to tell where it is in its lifespan. most successful consoles only make it to about 1k games. the wii is only up to 400, the ps3 up to 230, and the 360 up to 380. based on those numbers, we have at least 3 years before seeing the next next gen console.
swlovinist
10-29-2008, 10:29 AM
I still see the 360 on a five year run. I see the PS3 being seriously redesigned within a year, smaller and cheaper. The Wii will also get cheaper but with it being the leader by a large margin, I dont see them doing anything different unitl 2011. The five year cycle still applies to most consoles, the PS1 and PS2 bucking the trend.
swlovinist
10-29-2008, 10:36 AM
better than listening to industry rumors, i think you can just take a look at the size of a console's library to tell where it is in its lifespan. most successful consoles only make it to about 1k games. the wii is only up to 400, the ps3 up to 230, and the 360 up to 380.
I disagree with this. Snes, Atari, Nes, Genesis all had about 500 to 700 titles. You also have to remember that games are being released on the virtual console, which means less physical copies of games being released. Also, since there are three companies making a run at the console market, there will be more games disbursed between the three. With games costing so much these days, we will see fewer games overall than we have before. As the looking at a consoles library to determine its lifespan, I think that a better number to look at is how the system is selling profit wise. If the wii keeps on selling(which they profit from just selling the system), then there is no reason to relsese an upgrade yet.
murdoc rose
10-29-2008, 03:53 PM
I agree with swlovinist the number of games for a system doesn't mean much.
Most systems with huge library's have piles of cheap, rushed out games that I doubt propelled the system.
skaar
10-29-2008, 04:06 PM
4 more years!
rbudrick
10-29-2008, 06:07 PM
what's the Wii sequal going to be called? Nutz?
HoloWii
hee hee hee hee hee heee
HAHA HA HA HA AHA !!!
AAAAhhhhh.
Ahem.
-Rob
backguard
10-29-2008, 06:16 PM
I disagree with this. Snes, Atari, Nes, Genesis all had about 500 to 700 titles. You also have to remember that games are being released on the virtual console, which means less physical copies of games being released. Also, since there are three companies making a run at the console market, there will be more games disbursed between the three. With games costing so much these days, we will see fewer games overall than we have before. As the looking at a consoles library to determine its lifespan, I think that a better number to look at is how the system is selling profit wise. If the wii keeps on selling(which they profit from just selling the system), then there is no reason to relsese an upgrade yet.
agreed - but like you said, those systems had 500-700 titles. gamecube hit about 700, ps1, 1100, xbox 1000. ps2 hit the the 1700 mark, but that was unprecedented and i don't see any of this gens systems making it that far.
chicnstu
10-29-2008, 06:23 PM
4 more years!
You don't want change?
The 1 2 P
10-29-2008, 06:26 PM
the 360 up to 380
The October 2008 issue of Gamepro has the 360 at 600+ games already, which is definitely not bad at this point in it's life cycle.
Ponyone
10-29-2008, 07:14 PM
what's the Wii sequal going to be called? Nutz?
Wii Wii
walrusmonger
10-29-2008, 07:21 PM
I think we'll be ready holiday season 2010 for new consoles if the economy can pick up a little, otherwise holiday 2011.
chicnstu
10-29-2008, 07:42 PM
So what's more mature, Nintendo's commitment to making all-age appealing games and original console names, or people's suggestions that their next console should be called "Nutz" or "Wii Wii"?
Buyatari
10-29-2008, 10:18 PM
Wii Wii
WE HAVE A WEINNER !!!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t245/WastingOrpheus/2477912615_829a47362a.jpg
gum_drops
10-29-2008, 10:37 PM
Wii Wii
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/wda0561l.jpg
j_factor
10-30-2008, 12:40 AM
I think we'll see a new Xbox in 2010. If the 360 keeps slipping, Microsoft may look back and decide that one of the few things they really did right was coming out before their competitors. Also, coming out in 2010 would still be 1 year longer than the amount of time between the original Xbox and 360.
Nintendo's next console should come out in 2011. Nintendo now has a pretty consistent pattern of 5 years between consoles. The Wii may be more passé than the others, but it's also the most successful, and I think those two factors will cancel each other out.
Sony's the hardest to predict, but I still say 2011. They're not going to want to come last by a year. The PS4 coming out in 2011 doesn't really negate their supposed "ten year plan" for the PS3 either.
I also predict that all three consoles will be fairly similar. They'll all have Wii-style controllers (not exactly the same, but along the same lines), they'll all have similar online structures, they'll be close in terms of power, and about the same price point.
tomaitheous
10-30-2008, 01:46 AM
I'm wondering how consoles are going to fair against PCs with such a long generation cycle. I mean, more and more PC style games are generating the revenue for consoles nowadays (first and 3rd person shooters). Consoles are usually hurting in the visual department by their 4th and 5th year. I can only see this getting worse as generation continue.
So what's more mature, Nintendo's commitment to making all-age appealing games and original console names, or people's suggestions that their next console should be called "Nutz" or "Wii Wii"?
For some reason, lots of the mature, older hardcore gamers hate the Wii and Nintendo. As a gamer since the 70's myself, I am pro-Nintendo BECAUSE Nintendo has been making games since I started playing, and is not some new kid on the block. I don't understand why anyone 25 and up would not be supportive of the Wii, and Nintendo in general.
I don't understand why there's such a rush for a next gen, the PSX and PS2 have proved that consoles can last a decade until they reach their full potential. I remember when the 360 and PS3 were just released, people were already talking about the next XBOX and PS4, I really don't understand what the rush is other than giving Microsoft, Sony and the big N more of our money.
Buyatari
10-30-2008, 12:18 PM
I don't understand why there's such a rush for a next gen, the PSX and PS2 have proved that consoles can last a decade until they reach their full potential. I remember when the 360 and PS3 were just released, people were already talking about the next XBOX and PS4, I really don't understand what the rush is other than giving Microsoft, Sony and the big N more of our money.
They make very little if anything off of hardware sales. The rush with Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo is Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo. The market rarely has room for 3. Once we are down to 2 then I think you will see more time between systems and if it ever falls to 1 then you will see even longer times between systems.
Buyatari
10-30-2008, 12:22 PM
For some reason, lots of the mature, older hardcore gamers hate the Wii and Nintendo. As a gamer since the 70's myself, I am pro-Nintendo BECAUSE Nintendo has been making games since I started playing, and is not some new kid on the block. I don't understand why anyone 25 and up would not be supportive of the Wii, and Nintendo in general.
They don't hate it they just consider it a toy. Great interactive toy if that is what you are into but not the system they would pick after they have honed their skills for years on sports,shooters or fighting games.
SegaAges
10-30-2008, 12:31 PM
They don't hate it they just consider it a toy. Great interactive toy if that is what you are into but not the system they would pick after they have honed their skills for years on sports,shooters or fighting games.
Very true.
Kinda like a bunch of Maxis games that come out where they are not considered games, but toys/tools.
They don't hate it they just consider it a toy. Great interactive toy if that is what you are into but not the system they would pick after they have honed their skills for years on sports,shooters or fighting games.
I guess I'm the exception, because I've been playing games since the 70's and love the Wii. Since I play a lot of classics, graphics aren't really important to me, so the Wii is fine there to me.
alexkidd2000
10-30-2008, 01:44 PM
I think all 3 companies are going to hold onto this generation longer then in the past. There is so much money lost at first they need to milk the latter years. To get a huge upgrade in graphics over PS3 and 360 would take another very expensive system. My prediciton is
Xbox 360 replacement - Late 2011
Ps3 replacement - Late 2012 (Unless they do not want Micosoft to have another head start)
Wii replacement - Late 2011
DS/PSP replacement - 2011-2012
Sega's top secret console - 2010 heh.
skaar
10-30-2008, 01:48 PM
You don't want change?
I do actually. I don't mind new generations of consoles coming faster and faster - it's bound to happen eventually.
It was just a lame election joke ;)
Sega's top secret console - 2010 heh.
We can always dream...:)
Rob2600
10-30-2008, 01:56 PM
the PSX and PS2 have proved that consoles can last a decade until they reach their full potential.
What games were released for the PS after 2002 that really showed off its full potential? What games were released for the PS2 after 2007 that really showed off its full potential?
I'm not being sarcastic, I'm just curious.
The 1 2 P
10-30-2008, 06:12 PM
There is so much money lost at first they need to milk the latter years.
The Wii has been making money hand over fist since the first one was sold. Nintendo doesn't like being a lost leader on their initial batch of systems within the first few years(like Sony and Microsoft). Instead they realize that the best way to run their hardware business is to start making money asap and thats exactly what they do. Having said that, I think they will upgrade the Wii first(2009-2010) before actually coming out with a full blown next gen system.
Rob2600
10-30-2008, 06:36 PM
I think they will upgrade the Wii first(2009-2010) before actually coming out with a full blown next gen system.
That's what Atari did with its 8-bit computer line throughout the 1980s...slight performance upgrades every couple of years. That business model seemed to work for a while.
Actually, all computer companies follow that model, right? There's no such thing as a "next gen" computer. Every few months, companies release slightly faster computers. It's an evolution.
However, waiting five years and releasing a brand new game console from scratch has a bigger "wow" factor.
Which model do you prefer, the "slight performance upgrades every three years" or the "major overhaul every five years?"
PapaStu
10-30-2008, 07:44 PM
Which model do you prefer, the "slight performance upgrades every three years" or the "major overhaul every five years?"
Thats what Nintendo has done with their handhelds for quite a long time. GB>GB Pocket>GBC
GBA>GBAsp>Micro>GBAsp2
DS>DS Lite>DSi
Small steps create additional revenue streams while R&D recoups previous costs and preps for the next big thing.
CosmicMonkey
10-30-2008, 08:21 PM
I really don't think we need to see any sort of next gen for a long while yet. The PlayStation 2 is still selling in huge quantities and the vast majority haven't even got an HD TV yet to fully experience the PS3 or 360.
It's all very well creating all this super high tech shit, but if no one's got the money to pay for it then you're not selling it.
I hope it's a good 4 or 5 years at least until we're counting down to the launch of anything new from Sony or M$. I'd really like to see the PlayStation 3 pushed to it's limits and see what wonders the machine really can produce. I've also had quite enough of rumor, speculation, photoshop fakes and "Mr. Blurry spy shots" for the moment.