I hate this video. (SuperGrafx-related) [Archive]

Graham Mitchell

11-14-2008, 01:34 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btOcWkQBgfk

These two guys, who apparently are hooked up with Wired Magazine, are ranking on the SuperGrafx for 9 minutes. They're so ill-informed that it's obnoxious. Just spot the errors--I'm not going to point them out for you.

Basically, I think this video sucks, and I'm a horrible person, so I'm posting this so we can all make fun of it. I'm also pretty sure that posting this will come back to bite me in the ass (Some mod here is probably the guy on the left in the video or something), and I realize this is really petty. But I don't care because this video sucks and I hate it. Share in my misery.

Cheers! ;)

otoko

11-14-2008, 01:58 AM

Basically, I think this video sucks, and I'm a horrible person, so I'm posting this so we can all make fun of it. I'm also pretty sure that posting this will come back to bite me in the ass (Some mod here is probably the guy on the left in the video or something), and I realize this is really petty. But I don't care because this video sucks and I hate it. Share in my misery.

Cheers! ;)

What a compelling argument to have me... watch it...? :|

tomaitheous

11-14-2008, 02:28 AM

I saw this video a few weeks back. This video's great :D
Force some smartass fat dude to play obscure Japanese games. Snide remarks and lack of any game skills is a plus for this video ;)

tom

11-14-2008, 02:38 AM

yeah, that's what they're there for, Video game nerd and all the other ilk. no gaming knowledge, no gaming skills, but taking the mickey....that's all.

Wraith Storm

11-14-2008, 06:45 AM

I saw this video a few weeks back. This video's great :D
Force some smartass fat dude to play obscure Japanese games. Snide remarks and lack of any game skills is a plus for this video ;)

Agreed! I thought the vid was pretty damn funny and entertaining even if I didn't necessaryily agree with them.

I think it might be one of the few online game/system reviews that I have seen that didn't make me want to put fire ants in my eyes and ears.

ccovell

11-14-2008, 07:24 AM

If there were such thing as a "FOX News" game channel, all the shows would be like this one...

Graham Mitchell

11-14-2008, 10:15 AM

I can see why one would find this video amusing. It's just my pet peeve when people who know nothing about a subject speak about it in an authoritative manner. These kids clearly have not done their research, but they sure do like attention, so they're making fun of stuff they don't know much about. I doubt they've even seen a TurboGrafx (doesn't the one guy say he missed out on the 16-bit era?)

It's like when Madonna tries to tell America who to vote for. What qualifications does she have? Why should I listen to her?

parallaxscroll

11-14-2008, 12:19 PM

Terrible video, but fun at the same time,because these guys are so bad and so stupid.

Mr. Smashy

11-14-2008, 02:56 PM

That was pretty funny (as it was obviously intended to be). Chris Kohler is a pretty sharp guy. Too bad there was no mention of Darius Alpha. Daimakaimura and 1941 are certainly my favourite games for the system. The PC Engine Darius games are pretty fun, too.

Zap!

11-14-2008, 11:56 PM

DKTheArcadeRat

11-15-2008, 10:23 AM

All I can say is that I want that Professor Layton hat.

savageone

11-15-2008, 06:36 PM

Uninformed? Most definitely, though I wonder how much of that was simply for comedic effect. The talk around G&G really stands out. It was still entertaining though. I found the Mystery Science Theater 3000 type silhouettes to be a nice touch and I wouldn't mind seeing more of that in other videos of the type.

ANONPLOX

11-15-2008, 10:04 PM

Only one word is good enough to define these guys "MORONS".

Gentlegamer

11-15-2008, 10:31 PM

1941: More sprites than a Coca-Cola bottling plant.

:)

darkslime

11-15-2008, 10:52 PM

I'm sure those guys knew plenty about the supergrafix, but wanted to make the madden playing crowd laugh, seeing how much they paid for the games.

It was funny as hell though just how stupid they were.

Graham Mitchell

11-16-2008, 11:09 AM

Most of the video reviewers out today are unknowledgable, and aren't old enough to remember the classics the first time around. Maybe I'm old fashoned, but I don't think any "classic" reviewer should be under age 33.

Definitely. I also think that I were hiring reviewers for a professional publication, one of my pre-req's is that you had to at least be fairly familiar with the NES library and pretty much all of the 16-bit generation. I think if you're unfamiliar with those things then you lack context to review a lot of newer installments of older series (like Metal Gear Solid, etc.) I wouldn't impose an age cutoff--just as long as you at least spent some time emulating and playing through some of that stuff. I mean, I'm only 30, and I was too young for a lot of the golden arcade era, but I've beefed up my knowledge and experiencing using MAME, etc.

Zap!

11-16-2008, 03:29 PM

Definitely. I also think that I were hiring reviewers for a professional publication, one of my pre-req's is that you had to at least be fairly familiar with the NES library and pretty much all of the 16-bit generation. I think if you're unfamiliar with those things then you lack context to review a lot of newer installments of older series (like Metal Gear Solid, etc.) I wouldn't impose an age cutoff--just as long as you at least spent some time emulating and playing through some of that stuff. I mean, I'm only 30, and I was too young for a lot of the golden arcade era, but I've beefed up my knowledge and experiencing using MAME, etc.

I hear ya. I myself turned 36 on the 10th, and even I'm too young to remember the pre-2600 age. Consider this: I was born in November of '72. That a full 6 months AFTER Pong was even released. When the 2600 came out in '77, I just turned 5. No way my parents were gonna spend hundreds on a 5 year old. I didn't get into games until '79, but once I did, I was there for good.

I also agree that there could be exceptions. If someone is 25, but is a true historian, then they can be qualified to review classics they weren't around to play.

I think I'm gonna do my own videoes once I get my camcorder. The problem is I never did any video-editing before. Oh well, I'll try my best. :)

JunkTheMagicDragon

11-16-2008, 04:01 PM

hell, i liked it. pretty funny. who cares if some of the details are a little off? if you're watching this vid it's not for research material, it's for the funnies.

cyberfluxor

11-16-2008, 05:42 PM

It's all due to the TG release of Mado King Granzort that it didn't become the next Dragon Ball? Sweet! Learn something everyday. As for the constant "scrolling technology" why can't he at least say parallax once?

megasdkirby

11-16-2008, 05:44 PM

It's ok, much better than other vids on YouTube, but overall something is a miss.

I like classic reviews that analyze every aspect of a game and don't simply piss it off because of it's graphics, sound, history...you name it. If any person does this, they can miss out on a great gem.

Zap!

11-18-2008, 02:13 AM

InsaneDavid

11-18-2008, 02:33 AM

hell, i liked it. pretty funny. who cares if some of the details are a little off? if you're watching this vid it's not for research material, it's for the funnies.

Well put. When you over analyze things like games they quit being fun.

Graham Mitchell

11-18-2008, 03:00 AM

Here is a real Super Gafx review, by a REAL video gamer who knew what the Supergrafx was in 1989 (and so did I BTW):

Happy Console Gamer's Super Grafx Review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpXJj0Hz5l4)

Yeah, I actually caught this video this morning. I've seen a few videos by this guy and I really like him. He's reviews are informative and heavy on anecdotal experiences and I think I just relate to that for some reason or another.

Iron Draggon

11-18-2008, 08:07 PM

SWEET! well I got my lucky butterknife here, let's crack this BITCH open! LOL

I LOVE IT!

THAT IS SO ME!

megasdkirby

11-18-2008, 08:32 PM

Yeah, I actually caught this video this morning. I've seen a few videos by this guy and I really like him. He's reviews are informative and heavy on anecdotal experiences and I think I just relate to that for some reason or another.

I think I am one of the few that doesn't like him as much.

His reviews are informative, but the way he does them just aggravates my nerves. He doesn't seem to have that "zing" to captivate and his constant use of "ummm" is very annoying.

Maybe it's my teaching side talking and not my gamer side. I would grade him with a B, because he has good potential if he would fix those flaws.

c0ldb33r

11-18-2008, 09:31 PM

Graham Mitchell

11-18-2008, 11:29 PM

I think I am one of the few that doesn't like him as much.

His reviews are informative, but the way he does them just aggravates my nerves. He doesn't seem to have that "zing" to captivate and his constant use of "ummm" is very annoying.

Maybe it's my teaching side talking and not my gamer side. I would grade him with a B, because he has good potential if he would fix those flaws.

Well, I get the feeling he's not trying to prove anything to anybody, so he may be likely to let his errors get through as such. Think of it as punk rock--Wire had tons of great ideas and didn't really care how technically sound they were. Same thing here, IMO.

Zap!

11-19-2008, 12:32 AM

I think I am one of the few that doesn't like him as much.

His reviews are informative, but the way he does them just aggravates my nerves. He doesn't seem to have that "zing" to captivate and his constant use of "ummm" is very annoying.

Maybe it's my teaching side talking and not my gamer side. I would grade him with a B, because he has good potential if he would fix those flaws.

I like the fact that he doesn't try to be funny and doesn't have constant, in-your-face one-liners. If I want comedy, I'll watch a Will Ferrell movie.

Zap!

11-19-2008, 12:38 AM

Even despite it's few errors, that Game Life video is freaking genius compared to this piece of dribble:

Play Value: Failed Consoles - Part Two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xPNmlNnBpQ&feature=channel)

Haha, check this one out:

Top Ten Worst Mistakes by Sega (Part 3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn6kMaa_7TA&feature=email)

Check out the comments. He gets schooled by Traction311 for leaving out Goldeneye when talking about memorable N64 games. :)

megasdkirby

11-19-2008, 08:58 AM

Well, I get the feeling he's not trying to prove anything to anybody, so he may be likely to let his errors get through as such. Think of it as punk rock--Wire had tons of great ideas and didn't really care how technically sound they were. Same thing here, IMO.

You are right. If it's taken as a type of colloquial piece, then I understand. But he could at least try and practice a bit to avoid the "ummm" which constantly resonates.

It's similar to when a student gives an oral report and they constantly say "but", "err", "umm", "like", etc.

I like the fact that he doesn't try to be funny and doesn't have constant, in-your-face one-liners. If I want comedy, I'll watch a Will Ferrell movie.

I wasn't referring to comedy, as I too think AVGN is getting monotonous. What I am referring to is how to communicate, you know, simple things to help improve a "conversational piece". His material is perfect, he just needs to express it a bit better.

How can I explain myself...take a newscaster (as an example). Imagine him/her giving the news while constantly saying "ummm" or "errr", or even "like". It gets annoying after some time. The material is solid, though.

Graham Mitchell

11-19-2008, 10:31 AM

Awww, Megadskirby's inner teacher's just bustin' loose! ;)

I get what you're saying, though. If I was at a Grand Rounds and the presenter talked like this guy I'd probably laugh in his face, for example.

old_skoolin_jim

11-19-2008, 11:33 AM

I also agree that there could be exceptions. If someone is 25, but is a true historian, then they can be qualified to review classics they weren't around to play.

I would fall into that crowd. I'm turning 25 in a month, but I'm ridiculously knowledgeable about the "classic" eras. I've got considerable libraries of games for a number of classic (and obscure) systems, and actually really want to be a reviewer for a major publication/site someday.

It's one of my biggest pet peeves when a reviewer isn't familiar with subject matter and tries to wing it (IGN is notorious for this,) and one fewer ignorant critic is a service to the world.

Wow, I sound like a cocky jerk there. Sorry. :p

old_skoolin_jim

11-19-2008, 01:33 PM

Even despite it's few errors, that Game Life video is freaking genius compared to this piece of dribble:

Play Value: Failed Consoles - Part Two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xPNmlNnBpQ&feature=channel)

Yeah, I stumbled upon the Play Value series on LIVE Arcade. I don't know why I watched as many as I did, but I couldn't stand any of the people in them. I agree, Game Life was pretty meh, but Play Value was horrible. I love how one person earns their spot on the show for being "Guitar Hero Expert." Because, yeah, that means you MUST know about the Commodore 64 and Sega CD!
Grumble, grumble...

Iron Draggon

11-19-2008, 01:40 PM

I wish I had all the tech and the time to review all of my games... with a collection like mine, I could go on forever... and I'm 40 years old, so at least as far as the 16BIT & 32BIT eras are concerned, I know all my stuff... what I'm weak on is NES & N64 knowledge... I have very limited experience with those systems, so I could only gloss over them and defer to 8BIT & 64BIT experts... I know the Jag & Jag CD well, but that's it for the 64BIT era...

c0ldb33r

11-19-2008, 02:00 PM

I get a kick out of when you see someone who's 18, 19 or 20 talking about what it was like back when the 2600 was just new. I always take what they say with a huge grain of salt.

I'm 29 myself and I'm not comfortable with anything pre-NES. I had a Colecovision, but I was like 4 or 5 at the time and so can barely remember it.

parallaxscroll

11-19-2008, 04:30 PM

Zap!

11-19-2008, 04:37 PM

delete

cyberfluxor

11-19-2008, 07:25 PM

Haha, check this one out:

Top Ten Worst Mistakes by Sega (Part 3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn6kMaa_7TA&feature=email)

~3:53 he's discussing Phantasy Star and yet that picture is full of sports titles.

megasdkirby

11-19-2008, 07:40 PM

I'm 29 myself and I'm not comfortable with anything pre-NES. I had a Colecovision, but I was like 4 or 5 at the time and so can barely remember it.

I am 28 (well, will be in a few days) and my first console was the 2600. I remember every little aspect of it and to this day, I still love it. It brings back lovely memories, some of which I can relive all over again.

With that, it's ok to love and discuss classic gaming, only if you have love for them. For me, age doesn't matter: it's the enjoyment obtained that makes it a classic. I belong to the NES/SMS era, but that does not mean I have no say in older consoles, like the 2600, Intellivision, etc. I experienced them and I love them.

I remember reading through countless issues of 2600 Connection, Slap Dash, Zap!, Digital Press, Paradox, Mastermind, and other fanzines...spending hours after countless hours playing Carnival or Keystone Kapers...does that mean I cannot review or have an opinion about older games because I am only 28 years old? Even if I grew up with those games?

I understand when someone who has never played any of the older games comes in and starts talking about them...IMO, they cannot really express the true feelings about the games they review. But anyone who grew up and enjoyed them has every right in the world.

Zap!

11-20-2008, 12:43 AM

I wasn't referring to comedy, as I too think AVGN is getting monotonous. What I am referring to is how to communicate, you know, simple things to help improve a "conversational piece". His material is perfect, he just needs to express it a bit better.

How can I explain myself...take a newscaster (as an example). Imagine him/her giving the news while constantly saying "ummm" or "errr", or even "like". It gets annoying after some time. The material is solid, though.

I get what you're saying. I think he will work on that as he does more videoes. His editing effects should also improve. It's only a matter of time before I start my own videoes. I can only imagine how bad they will be at first. :)

Soviet Conscript

11-20-2008, 05:07 AM

Even despite it's few errors, that Game Life video is freaking genius compared to this piece of dribble:

Play Value: Failed Consoles - Part Two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xPNmlNnBpQ&feature=channel)

ugh...yuk...

and please tell me that guy in the orange shirt with glasses doesn't really talk like that. one of the most annoying people i have ever heard speak.

Graham Mitchell

11-20-2008, 10:30 AM

Even despite it's few errors, that Game Life video is freaking genius compared to this piece of dribble:

Play Value: Failed Consoles - Part Two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xPNmlNnBpQ&feature=channel)

I'm only like a minute into this and they've already stated two things that are iffy and/or bluntly false. My favorite is "the Sega CD didn't make the Genesis any more powerful". Last I checked, the Genesis didn't have hardware scaling and rotation (which the Sega CD did. Wing Commander or Thunderstrike would not have been possible without that hardware). And, for what it's worth, it couldn't reasonably run FMV either. Not that you'd really want it to.

But see, this is what's fucking scary: THIS SHIT IS DISTRIBUTED ON XBOX LIVE!!! Now all the legions of Gen y-ers are going to believe this trash is true just because these guys take an authoritative position on it.

Graham Mitchell

11-20-2008, 10:37 AM

They're doing it again---now he's saying that there has never, in the history of video games, been a situation where an add-on for a system has been successful. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that the Famicom Disk System did fairly well despite the fact that cartridges were eclipsing the disk's storage capacity within a month of its release. It sure did open up possibilities at the time--a game like Metroid wasn't possible on the carts at the time of release due to size constraints.

And if I remember correctly the Sega CD did sell over a million units. I'd call that fairly successful.

megasdkirby

11-20-2008, 10:46 AM

Zap!

11-20-2008, 05:22 PM

The only redeeming part of the video...at least for me...was...the female reviewer. :)

Those guys know nothing. The Genesis actually arrived in the US in late August 1989, a week or two before the TG-16. Even if they count the 1987 PC-Engine, it's really a souped-up 8-bit machine, not a true 16-bit. And the CD-ROM was never hard to find, I got it as soon as it came out.

megasdkirby

11-20-2008, 06:07 PM

Those guys know nothing. The Genesis actually arrived in the US in late August 1989, a week or two before the TG-16. Even if they count the 1987 PC-Engine, it's really a souped-up 8-bit machine, not a true 16-bit. And the CD-ROM was never hard to find, I got it as soon as it came out.

I know, but I was referring to the girl herself, not the review. :p

Zap!

11-20-2008, 07:16 PM

I know, but I was referring to the girl herself, not the review. :p

Oh I know, I was just saying lol. We do need a classic female reviewer. Quality and hotness must be a must though. 8-)

tomaitheous

11-20-2008, 11:19 PM

Even if they count the 1987 PC-Engine, it's really a souped-up 8-bit machine, not a true 16-bit.

Not a true 16bit? Well, it had a 16bit video processor unlike the Genesis and all the processing power to boot ;)

Zap!

11-20-2008, 11:38 PM

Not a true 16bit? Well, it had a 16bit video processor unlike the Genesis and all the processing power to boot ;)

Bah, it's a puny 6502 processor, not a 68000. :)

tomaitheous

11-21-2008, 12:04 AM

Bah, it's a puny 6502 processor, not a 68000. :)

No, it's 'based' 65CS02 (which is upgraded from the 65C02, which is upgraded from a 6502) and it(HuC6280) performs more MIPS than the 68k ;)

Zap!

11-21-2008, 02:12 AM

No, it's 'based' 65CS02 (which is upgraded from the 65C02, which is upgraded from a 6502) and it(HuC6280) performs more MIPS than the 68k ;)

Maybe, but after all the tech aspects, 68000 games look a lot better. :)

tomaitheous

11-21-2008, 02:45 AM

Maybe, but after all the tech aspects, 68000 games look a lot better. :)

Well, the cpu had nothing to do with the games 'looking' the way they did. With performance being equal, it makes no different between if the processor is a chained 4bit setup on steroids or a crippled 32bit setup with more wait states than you can shake a stick at. Performance is performance. Other than the Genesis having an additional background layer and the PC Engine having more colors onscreen and a brighter color palette, the difference was in the development of the software - design, style, target audience, etc.

So if you were to feel that Genesis games look better, then replace the word 68000 with Genesis or Megadrive in your statement. :cheers: