I have just about HAD IT wth Ebay

[zektor]

Well, as most may know, I listed a very rare TG16 game (Magical Chase) on Ebay a few weeks ago. Someone placed a bid (his name is "savingtheprincess") within the last few seconds of the auction end and never replied or paid. I ended up selling/trading with a forum member here (I should have done this to begin with) and I filed a non-paying dispute on ebay to get my listing fees back.

They granted it and gave that seller an unpaid item strike. Of course in retaliation he left me a negative feedback. Since Ebay removed the ability for sellers to leave negatives, I was left with leaving him a positive with a "negative tone".

Well, they (I use "they" loosly...as I am always communicating with an ebay bot in emails) refuse to remove that negative that this guy gave me, even tho THEY sided with me on the dispute! Not only that, but I get a second email from them with a warning for me "abusing" the feedback system by giving the guy a positive that told the truth about what he did.

These people are scumbags, bottom line. There is now NO protection for the seller...the person who gives Ebay the bread and butter on which they survive. I think after my final auctions end I will cancel my account of 11 years. It is just a joke now.

[ryborg]

It is just a joke now.

Wait, you're just realizing it now? You're pretty lucky if this is the first bad thing that's happened to you since ebay's major changes last February.

I checked the feedback and I noticed this:

Follow-up by savingtheprincess (Dec-23-08 05:43):
Unpaid Item Strike removed by eBay. This seller is completely nuts.

So did this person try paying like 3 weeks late, after you'd sold it to someone else? Some buyers have done this to me, expecting me to have held on to the item for that long. If the buyer didn't respond to the unpaid item strike, their negative wouldn't have counted.

I've been burned by trying to leave scam artists "negative" positive feedback. A buyer stole ~$60 and the item from me over the summer and I still couldn't leave him honest feedback about how he used a Paypal loophole to steal his money back.

Ebay is ass, but unfortunately, it's the only game in town where you can reach millions of buyers worldwide. They know this, so they side with the buyers for everything, because they know sellers will put up with their BS to reach the buyers.

[zektor]

The buyer NEVER made an attempt to pay. I spoke with an ebay rep and maybe something will change. If not, screw it. I would probably be better off without ebay anyway. Maybe the true "thrill of the hunt" will come back to me after all of these years :)

In reality, I have made out better buying and selling in forums than on ebay in recent years anyway. Not sure why I keep paying their fees and dealing with crap like this. The end is near!

[Felixthegamer]

The system wasn't great before, but they took it too far in the buyers' favor. There needs to be a compromise and a system for both sellers and buyers

[gum_drops]

I got tired of people bidding the not paying also. I have received an influx of pain in the ass bidders who either dont pay or request unlisted options like checks or monthly installment payments. Monthly payments on the game you just won, are you shitting me?

I now require immediate payments through paypal. I may loose a few sales but its worth it now having to deal with the alternative.

By the way, did your buyer happen to be from Port Huron, MI?

[Kitsune Sniper]

And this is why I only have buy it nows with immediate payment required. :\

[Chainsaw_Charlie]

Put me in the minority but I hate Ebay's new Paypal only policy. Some of us out there arent in the situation to have a credit/debit card and checking account

[Sniderman]

They granted it and gave that seller an unpaid item strike. Of course in retaliation he left me a negative feedback.
I thought this was impossible. If you successfully get a NPB thorough and a strike is given, the bidder CANNOT leave any feedback - positive or negative.

I would have eBay remove it since a person who has a strike for an unpaid means they SHOULD NOT be able to leave feedback.


For transactions involving an Unpaid Item, Feedback left by buyers may be removed when:

A buyer fails to respond to the Unpaid Item process

When the communication and comments left by the buyer within the Unpaid Item Dispute Console undermine the integrity of both the Unpaid Item process and the eBay Feedback system.

[Mayhem]

Yeah, I'm surprised by that for the same reason...

[eskobar]

These people are scumbags, bottom line. There is now NO protection for the seller...the person who gives Ebay the bread and butter on which they survive. I think after my final auctions end I will cancel my account of 11 years. It is just a joke now.

Don't be discouraged by some ass-wipe that randomly appears in front of every seller.

We need people that lists good and unique products like you did.

Keep up and forget the shit, there are ways to avoid things like this, but hey : shit happens ! :villagepeople:

[Kaboomer]

Games of that caliber sell well on the Chuckwagon as the majority of our members are serious collectors looking for the uncommon stuff. Please try us next time as you will be dealing with the most upstanding group of collectors on the net.

And if shit happens like this I can deal with it appropriately by deleting your negative feedback and suspending the member who F'ed you over.

[zektor]

I thought this was impossible. If you successfully get a NPB thorough and a strike is given, the bidder CANNOT leave any feedback - positive or negative.

I would have eBay remove it since a person who has a strike for an unpaid means they SHOULD NOT be able to leave feedback.

The problem was that while he did not respond to or pay me, he DID reply to the unpaid dispute and say that I was rude to him (which of course was not true). I guess on that stipulation, he was still able to leave feedback. Ridiculous.

And as for ChaseTheChuckWagon, yes I do agree it is a great auction site. Already a member with a mere 2 feedbacks thus far :)

[gum_drops]

The problem was that while he did not respond to or pay me, he DID reply to the unpaid dispute and say that I was rude to him (which of course was not true). I guess on that stipulation, he was still able to leave feedback. Ridiculous.


All he has to do is reply to the dispute, doesnt really matter what his response is and he can then leave feedback.

With the shift to only paypal now on ebay, they should set up a system where the seller can require payment by a certain date or else an unpaid dispute can be automatically granted if the system has not registered paypal payment by said date.

I cant be sure but THIS (http://myworld.ebay.com/pompeyparsons/) looks like the selling account of your bidder.

[The 1 2 P]

All he has to do is reply to the dispute, doesnt really matter what his response is and he can then leave feedback.

Now it makes more sense. I have left several non paying bidder complaints and they never leave me negatives, even though most eventually pay. All of my auctions state that I require payment to be made within three days of auctions closing, but I still get dumb ass bidders. As a matter of fact, I have to file a npb complaint tomorrow(they make you wait seven days before you are allowed to make them).

[ryborg]

Put me in the minority but I hate Ebay's new Paypal only policy.

Pretty sure this isn't the minority opinion. I don't like any new ebay policies that instantly take away 2-5% of all potential bidders. I know MANY buyers that simply refuse to use Paypal for various reasons so they're done with ebay forever.

[Vroomfunkel]

Put me in the minority but I hate Ebay's new Paypal only policy. Some of us out there arent in the situation to have a credit/debit card and checking account

Count me in on that too - some of us would rather not pay eBay's Paypal surcharge, and would much prefer to receive payments by other means.

And would also like the opportunity to have people like your good self able to bid on our auctions.

Besides which, surely forcing people to pay with Paypal is anti-competitive??

[Bratwurst]

I cant be sure but THIS (http://myworld.ebay.com/pompeyparsons/) looks like the selling account of your bidder.

I don't get the connection between pompeyparsons and savingtheprincess. The former has bought from me in the past with no issues, and also purchased from Zektor without a problem going by his feedback history.

Why do you think they're the same person? Back something up before you potentially slur someone's good name.

[gum_drops]

I don't get the connection between pompeyparsons and savingtheprincess. The former has bought from me in the past with no issues, and also purchased from Zektor without a problem going by his feedback history.

Why do you think they're the same person? Back something up before you potentially slur someone's good name.

By looking at the bidding history of savingtheprincess. Which matches up with the current inventory of pomeyparsons.

He also bought some large tg16 and Neo Geo lots, with many of those games now listed in his store.

Compare 260324544604 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260324544604) and 200288212560 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Defenders-of-Oasis-Sega-Game-Gear_W0QQitemZ200288212560QQihZ010QQcategoryZ13997 3QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Look at the manuals, same exact copy of defenders of Oasis.

[Bratwurst]

That's pretty incriminating. I found this blog earlier and figured that's where you had made the connection:

http://savingtheprincess.wordpress.com/about/

[neist]

That's pretty incriminating. I found this blog earlier and figured that's where you had made the connection:

http://savingtheprincess.wordpress.com/about/

Curious. The blog has been deleted.

Maybe it's someone who lingers around here?

[Kitsune Sniper]

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:Eh97g9py5OMJ:savingtheprincess.word press.com/+site:savingtheprincess.wordpress.com/&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=mx&client=firefox-a

It only had two posts before being deleted. The About page was not saved.

[gum_drops]

Curious. The blog has been deleted.

Maybe it's someone who lingers around here?

There is a user pompeyparsons on this board who was logged in today, the plot thickens . . .

[Dark_Sol]

wow that's interesting

[megasdkirby]

I wonder if the user is the same user as on Ebay?

If so, it would be interested if he gave his side of the story.

[pompeyparsons]

Hey Everyone,

I’ve been a member of this forum for about 4 months or so now. Don’t do a lot of posting I primarily just browse the various threads in the classic gaming area. Thought I’d check out what was going on in a few other parts of the forum and stumbled upon this thread.

In any case I debated about whether or not to even reply to this post. All I’m going to say about this matter is the following so hopefully it clears up some misconceptions. I have neither the time nor the energy to get into a lengthy flame war with anyone.

1. Yes, savingtheprincess is one of my many eBay buying IDs.

2. I have bought from zektor prior to this incident with no problems what so ever.

3. What happened during the course of this transaction is between zektor and I. It’s really no one else’s business. I did give him a negative and felt it was justified and still do. The Unpaid Item Strike was removed by ebay:

Dear savingtheprincess,

Thank you for contacting us to appeal against the Unpaid Item strike you received for Magical Chase Turbografx Turbo Grafx 16 DUO SUPER RARE!(130274118148).

After reviewing your information, we have removed the Unpaid Item strike from your account.
Note: Repeat Unpaid Item strikes will result in account suspension. Read more

Details for item number: 130274118148
Item title: Magical Chase Turbografx Turbo Grafx 16 DUO SUPER RARE!
Item URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130274118148

End date: Thursday, Dec 11, 2008 08:53:16 PST
Quantity: 1
Case URL: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewDisputeConsole&DisputeType=1

Date case was opened: Friday, Dec 19, 2008 17:52:40 PST

4. I conduct my business in a professional manner. Bratwurst can vouch for this as I paid him within the hour for my purchase of Langrisser II from him. I’m an honest person and you can check my feedback on eBay as its 99.9% and also under my savingtheprincess ID (thought that one doesn’t matter much as sellers can’t leave negative feedback anymore.) I have not had any problems except for this one instance.

5. Lastly, don’t think that me deleting my blog was anything underhanded just bad timing I guess as this afternoon I deleted four of my crappy blogs that I always seem to think I’ll have time for and then never do.

That’s all I’ve got.

[megasdkirby]

Just a quick question:

Dunno if this was there (may be confusing with someone else, in which case I do apologize), but if the auction stated payment in 24 hours, why didn't you do so? From what I gather, you never replied back to his messages. Why not contact him about the item? From what I understand, there was no (or little, don't remeber well) communication. And the auction suposedly said "Payment in 24 hours".

What happened?

EDIT: Yup, payment was supposed to be in 24 hours:

- Payment must be made via PAYPAL ONLY. eChecks are not allowed! Payment must be received within 24 hours of auction close unless you have contacted me and prior arrangements have been made.

[pompeyparsons]

megaskirby, he was contacted multiple times. Like I said before what was said in those communications was between him and I.

[megasdkirby]

megaskirby, he was contacted multiple times. Like I said before what was said in those communications was between him and I.

You are correct. That is a private matter.

However, I am referring to the action, not the content. From what I see, and taking your word as well as zektor's, there was a communicacion failure somewhere, possibly from server errors or something similar. This has happened to me and I then try to communicate via email.

All I can say is that, in the case that if it was my fault, I would never neg. Sure, I maybe pissed about a NPB or whatever it's called, but I really can't blame the seller if I know I am to blame. If I do, I am just doing it out of spite and not "taking it like a man". It's a hard lesson learned, but if I know I am at the wrong, why punish the seller for my actions? I would never give a negative to a seller I know I was wrong.

If it was the sellers fault, then hell yeah, they deserve the negative. Right now I have a seller that listed an SMS game as "excellent condition with manual" and I got it in crappy condition with no manual. I contacted him and he has not answered. I will do so again. If nothing, I will try emailing him a total of two times, at different days (intervals). If nothing, then I know the seller is at fault so I will give a neg. And if this is the case, he deserves it.

But what if, like what happened to my brother, something happened (email server, ebay fucking up again, etc) that no party is able to communicate with each other? It's all a he say/she say, but no one is at fault. But unfortunately, due to human nature, "one must always pay", even though it's not the correct thing to do.

I can only say this: look at all the evidence and ask yourself...was the neg really warranted? Was it zektor's fault? Was it my (as in you) fault? If so, was the neg warranted? Was it given out of spite or did he deserve it?

[Policenaut]

There is no way you can justify the negative feedback; if you won the auction but never paid for it, sorry but it's all your fault.

[c0ldb33r]

I'd have to side with zektor here. He's always been fantastic with me. He's gone above and beyond and has always been very accommodating. I find it hard to believe he did anything to warrant either non-payment or a negative feedback.

[Dark_Sol]

i don't really believe pompeyparsons. He's hiding something and don't want to say it on public. zektor on the other hand was very pissed by something and escalated this on public and even decided to quit on ebay. There must be some serious issue.

[eskobar]

You got to give him credit for answering.

However i feel that the main reason to avoid payment was unanswered and crearly avoided ...

I was just about to purchase a cadash he has on ebay but i do not have enough confidence on it.

[carlcarlson]

if you won the auction but never paid for it, sorry but it's all your fault.

I disagree. Most of the time, yes, that is probably true, but there are cases where I would back out of a purchase if I didn't feel good about it. If I felt the seller misrepresented the item or was demanding another form of payment I would definitely back out, especially if it was a high-dollar item. There are a lot of scammers on ebay on both sides. It's usually not too hard to feel them out.

I'm not referring to this particular transaction, I'm just making a point about what naut said. I don't know the buyer and the only thing I know about zektor is that he got ripped off by mills.

[JohnnyA]

According to eBay (I'm almost positive), if you accept paypal payments, you cannot not take certain forms of paypal payment, i.e., echecks. Also, buyers have up to 7 days to pay for their completed items unless you do the immediate payment required thing.

[megasdkirby]

I disagree. Most of the time, yes, that is probably true, but there are cases where I would back out of a purchase if I didn't feel good about it. If I felt the seller misrepresented the item or was demanding another form of payment I would definitely back out, especially if it was a high-dollar item. There are a lot of scammers on ebay on both sides. It's usually not too hard to feel them out.


I agree. If there is something fishy, I don't send payment.

An example was a seller called "billzsportscards" or something like that. I won a few SMS games yet he never sent an invoice for combined shipping. Communication was horrible, since he would never reply back. I decided NOT to send payment...and a few weeks later, he got NARU'd.

On topic, I'm quite surprised Zektor hasn't replied with a new comment to this topic. I think perhaps he came to a compromise with the buyer?

[Policenaut]

I get you; a month ago or so I had a similar situation with an auction I won for a Christmas gift for my wife, with the only difference is that I paid for it. A day later after I win the auction, I get this ebay message that the auction was removed because of some issues with the seller, possibly a NARU'd I guess. Well, the message was sent a bit later because I had already sent the payment. I managed to resolve this with paypal and thankfully got the money back.

What I am trying to say is that I was responsible enough to send the payment; if the seller is a scammer sooner or later people will find out. On my case, I send the payment after winning the auction properly; the seller is a scammer, yes, but then ebay takes him out and I get my money back.

Regarding with pompeyparson, if he was smelling that sektor was a scammer he should'nt have bid for that auction.