Does lack of Zelda in 2008 imply Ocarina remake?

[Gemini-Phoenix]

I was just reminiscing back through 2008 and how Nintendo seem to not have had many first party releases compared to previous years (Or so it seems), and many of their classic key franchises / mascots seem to not have been seen in a while...

Kirby is one example, where we are still awaiting a Kirby title for the Wii, and have only had a few DS games recently. Likewise, the F Zero franchise has yet to make an appearance on either the Wii or the DS. And when was the last time we saw Fox McCloud? (Rhetorical question: It was on the DS a couple of years ago). Others, such as Samus, seem to have made a few appearances, but nothing lately, not even a whisper of any projects in the works...

We haven't really seen anything Zelda related in a long while, at least not since Phantom Hourglass for the DS back in 2007 and Link's Crossbow Training. Before that? It was Twilight Princess, but that was right around the launch of the Wii, and to be honest it was unnecessary because it was also released for the GameCube (Which as we all know, the Wii can play GameCube games). So, 2008 has been the first year since the release of Ocarina Of Time that we haven't seen a Zelda game in some way, shape, or form...


This got me thinking. What if there isn't a good reason for this recent absence? What if Nintendo are actually working on something special for Link? Pooling all their efforts and resources into creating a Zelda game on the hush-hush... I have two theories:

1) Ocarina Of Time remake for Wii

BAsically an update from the original in the same way Capcom updated Resident Evil and how RARE updated Conker's Bad Fur Day etc... Final Fantasy fans have been screaming out for a FFVII remake for as long as I can remember, but the Zelda fans seem to be obscured by the Final Fantasy fanboys and we rarely hear of the demand for an Ocarina Of Time remake, which I would imagine is equally as in demand as a FFVII remake or Resident Evil II remake...

2) Ocarina Of Time for DS

It's been ten years. The DS is more than capable of running N64 games as has been proven many times, and Mario 64 has previously been rereleased for the DS, so there's no real reason why Ocarina Of Time cannot be ported to the handheld. I am sure there is as much demand for this game as there is for the likes of Chrono Trigger etc and a DS port is long overdue. I find it very hard to believe that Nintendo haven't yet considered this possibility before now, and believe that it would be shrewd for them to release it for the DS - After all, their in the business to make money, and I doubt they could go very far wrong if they chose to release Ocarina Of Time on the DS


Ocarina Of Time is hailed as one of the best games of all time - So it would seem fitting that after a decade it was released to a new generation of gamers to experience

[G-Boobie]

Dude, for all intents and purposes, Twilight Princess WAS an Ocarina remake.

Nintendo doesn't do remakes. Re-releases, sure. Not remakes. Consider also that they already re-released it for both the Gamecube and Virtual Console. Not gonna happen.

[exit]

Wasn't the next Zelda game already announced? I doubt they will do a complete re-make of any of the Zelda games, since they're always able to come up with new ideas for their franchises. This is Nintendo we're talking about, not SquareEnix.

[kedawa]

Isn't every Zelda game a remake of the first anyway?


Nintendo doesn't do remakes.

Metroid Zero Mission says hello.

[G-Boobie]

Isn't every Zelda game a remake of the first anyway?



Metroid Zero Mission says hello.

Fair point. That's one.

[poloplayr]

Ocarina of Time is already on the Virtual Console.

I say, come E3, the next *true* Wii Zelda will be announced. Title and one of their teaser trailers.

[Gameguy]

Nintendo doesn't do remakes.
Super Mario All-Stars, the Mario games were redone with updated graphics.

Zelda: Link's Awakening DX, the game was redone in color and an extra dungeon was added.

Game and Watch Gallery 1-3, the classic games also had modern remakes included.

[Trebuken]

Super Mario All-Stars, the Mario games were redone with updated graphics.

Zelda: Link's Awakening DX, the game was redone in color and an extra dungeon was added.

Game and Watch Gallery 1-3, the classic games also had modern remakes included.

Those are from the last Millenia.

Nintendo has said they are working on the next Zelda, but that is all they have said. They probably won't annouce it at E3 but at the Tokyo game show or their own event.

Also, it has we might consider they may hold back a big title or two for their next system which is often hinted for 2010...

[Cryomancer]

Kirby Superstar for DS is a remake too.

[Nebagram]

As stated, it's been re-released on Gamecube and on the VC, even if a DS version would be fun it's unlikely to happen.

I personally just want them to get off their arses and make the next F-Zero, it's been five frigging years since GX and my reflexes are starting to get dull. :-/

[swlovinist]

Nintendo is probably going to do another zelda or mario title for the Wii or both. I dont think they are going to "hold off" for their next system. I think the "next system" will actually be a minor upgrade of the Wii "Wii HD". Their staple franchises that usually get a major game(not an offshoot title) every three to four years. They still have not technically made a zelda title for the Wii, as the last one was pretty much a port in my book.

[le geek]

Dude, for all intents and purposes, Twilight Princess WAS an Ocarina remake.

+1....

[heybtbm]

When the DS launched with Super Mario 64 DS, I was certain Nintendo would eventually release Zelda: Ocarina of Time DS. 4+ years later...I don't think it's going to happen. As for a Wii re-release? Miyamoto is probably too busy planning the next new Zelda.

[The 1 2 P]

This is from July of last year: http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/202748/nintendo-mario-zelda-teams-hard-at-work-on-new-titles/

I'll paraphrase for you: "The Mario and Zelda teams are both hard at work on new games for both franchises that will be coming to the Wii." While those games haven't been revealed yet, it's pretty safe to say that we will get atleast one more new Zelda and Mario game for the Wii during this generation. But I seriously doubt they will make any more that that.....until the Mii-2 comes out.

[YoshiM]

Super Mario All-Stars, the Mario games were redone with updated graphics.

Zelda: Link's Awakening DX, the game was redone in color and an extra dungeon was added.

Game and Watch Gallery 1-3, the classic games also had modern remakes included.

Let's not also forget the Super Mario Advance (remake of SMB 2) and Super Mario Advance 2 (remake of Super Mario World)and Super Mario Advance 4: SMB 3 (SMB 3 with tweaks that I consider a "Remake").

[Nionel]

Let's not also forget the Super Mario Advance (remake of SMB 2) and Super Mario Advance 2 (remake of Super Mario World)and Super Mario Advance 4: SMB 3 (SMB 3 with tweaks that I consider a "Remake").

There was also Pokemon Fire Red and Leaf Green on the GBA, which were remakes of Red and Blue.

[Gemini-Phoenix]

Virtual Console is one thing, but the DS is another. Why have a console capable of porting N64 games when all we get is yet more SNES games, especially as the GBA was capable of SNES ports yet all we got was NES games...

And Aren't there plenty of games available for the Virtual Console that are also on the DS? Two different markets, so I don't see why a DS port of Ocarina Of Time shouldn't be released. Virtual Console doesn't even come into it. I am sure there is demand for a portable version of the game


And I also believe that Nightmare In Dreamland was a remake of Kirby's Adventure for the NES; And Fire Emblem: Shadow dragon on the DS is a remake of the original NES game, as well as the afore mentioned Metroid Zero Mission being a remake of the first Metroid game and as stated above, the two Pokemon remakes

[CosmicMonkey]

When the DS launched with Super Mario 64 DS, I was certain Nintendo would eventually release Zelda: Ocarina of Time DS.

I came to the same conclusion. Maybe we'll see a version of OoT or even Majora's Mask specifically for the DSi that uses the camera or on-line capabilities in some weird and wonderful way?

Considering OoT usually tops all of the "Best Game Ever" lists, I'm sure Nintendo will make sure the game is readily available in some form for many years to come. Personally, I'd pay money if they re-released it for the Wii with a full TP style graphical overhaul.

[G-Boobie]

Metroid Zero Mission says hello.


Super Mario All-Stars, the Mario games were redone with updated graphics.

Zelda: Link's Awakening DX, the game was redone in color and an extra dungeon was added.

Game and Watch Gallery 1-3, the classic games also had modern remakes included.


Kirby Superstar for DS is a remake too.


Let's not also forget the Super Mario Advance (remake of SMB 2) and Super Mario Advance 2 (remake of Super Mario World)and Super Mario Advance 4: SMB 3 (SMB 3 with tweaks that I consider a "Remake").


There was also Pokemon Fire Red and Leaf Green on the GBA, which were remakes of Red and Blue.

I stand thoroughly corrected. My mistake(s).

Don't hold out for a DS re-release of Ocarina though. I stand by the remainder of my original statement.

[poloplayr]

Virtual Console is one thing, but the DS is another. Why have a console capable of porting N64 games when all we get is yet more SNES games, especially as the GBA was capable of SNES ports yet all we got was NES games...



Maybe because 2D>3D?

:)

[Nature Boy]

They're probably trying to figure out how to make the best Zelda game possible using the Wii's unique control scheme. I can't see Miyamoto being happy with Twilight Princess II - he'd want to do something totally different if he could.

Maybe it's Ocarina's story, maybe not. Don't care personally.

[Gemini-Phoenix]

I came to the same conclusion. Maybe we'll see a version of OoT or even Majora's Mask specifically for the DSi that uses the camera or on-line capabilities in some weird and wonderful way?

Considering OoT usually tops all of the "Best Game Ever" lists, I'm sure Nintendo will make sure the game is readily available in some form for many years to come. Personally, I'd pay money if they re-released it for the Wii with a full TP style graphical overhaul.

That's the beauty of a game like OOT. New gamers will have heard stories about how good it is and buy a remake / rerelease, and also people who have already played and already own it will also buy it. Nintendo wins twice. It's a licence to print money, and they're guaranteed a success. Why else would Square-Enix bother remaking (I prefer the term "Reinterpretation) so many of their classic games? Whilst they're taking risks with new genre's and franchises, they can offset this by dedicating certain resources to remaking a previous classic which guarantees them a stable income to fund their new ideas...

If a game like OOT is considered THAT good, then it will stand the test of time by always being available to new audiences and generations. As I said above, the Virtual Console is one thing, but the DS is quite another. And if you break it down, at the end of the day a downloadable game is not exactly teh same as actually owning a physical copy. Most gamers would rather search for the original N64 version or track down a GameCube disc to play on their Wii rather than be forced to download.

And I am sure that whatever market bought the rerelease of Mario 64 for the DS would also buy a DS port of OOT - How many copies of Mario DS have been sold to date? 20 Million?


Just to add, when Mario 64 was released for the DS, I too was suckered in to thinking that we would see a lot more classic N64 classics ported over, including OOT. Twas not to be, and instead we get only a handful when there is so much potential! I am sure that if RARE were to port over Goldeneye to the DS it would welcomed, and likewise if Nintendo were to port OOT and Majora's Mask then it would equally be appreciated! The people want it, and they're in a position where they can't lose, so I don't see what their problem is.

[Matt-El]

I thought that the leader of the Zelda team said he wanted to remake A Link To The Past. Does anyone have the quote for this?

[poloplayr]

I thought that the leader of the Zelda team said he wanted to remake A Link To The Past. Does anyone have the quote for this?

*faints*

[CosmicMonkey]

Just like OoT, aLttP is another timeless Zelda game that will be around for a very long time. I'm totally sure we'll see a full 3D remake/reinterpretation of the game at some point in the future, hopefully for the Wii.

[The 1 2 P]

They're probably trying to figure out how to make the best Zelda game possible using the Wii's unique control scheme. I can't see Miyamoto being happy with Twilight Princess II - he'd want to do something totally different if he could.

Well considering that Twilight Princess was basically a port of a Gamecube game(I realize it came out on the Wii first, but we ALL know why that happened) then there really hasn't been ANY new Zelda games for the Wii yet. And considering that this is the Wii's third year of existence, I'll bet everyone in here 2k money that a new Zelda game hits the Wii before any remake.

[Gemini-Phoenix]

How about they remake Ocarina Of Time in the style of Link To The Past? How about that! To me, the style that Link To The Past created is what I consider the traditional Zelda style - It took the source material (Zelda I & II) and gave it a make-over, and this also carried over well to the Gameboy for Link's Awakening. Not too sure the Gameboy Color did the franchise and style any favours though (Mash up of garish colours), but then Minish Cap and Four Swords made everything right again and showed us how poor the Gameboy Color actually was

Perhaps Nintendo should focus on building a time machine and go back and undo their partnership with Philips so that we never recceived those three god-aweful CD-i games. Whilst they're at it, they can also go back and actually make Phantom Hourglass a good game instead of the crap that it really is!

[Gameguy]

How about they remake Ocarina Of Time in the style of Link To The Past? How about that!
Someone attempted to do that, but eventually gave up. I really only like the older style Zeldas, I never really got into the N64.

I've just searched and someone else made a different Ocarina of Time remake.
http://zeldaclassic.armageddongames.net/viewquest.php?q=159

Maybe that's why plenty of SNES titles are being remade for the DS instead of N64 titles. People like them more. :)

[JunkTheMagicDragon]

That's the beauty of a game like OOT. New gamers will have heard stories about how good it is and buy a remake / rerelease, and also people who have already played and already own it will also buy it.

if new gamers bought a rerelease, they'd be disappointed. the hype around this game is unbelievable. oot would only sell to nostaligic gamers like yourself, unless they essentially made a new game with oot's story. and if they're gong to do that, they'd might as well make an altogether new one. the rose-tinted glasses are strong with this game.

having never had an n64 in its heyday, i bought oot at a friend's recommendation that it was the bee's knees (this was about 2 years ago). it was dated. dated in the same way that many dreamcast and ps1 games are dated now, meaning that gameplay, control, and presentational improvements in 3d gaming made in the interim have rendered these games largely obsolete. i tried to like oot (having enjoyed the nes games). after a couple of hours, i really wanted my $10 back.

so, as a device to take you back to your childhood, i'm sure oot is great. new gamers would be better served with a new zelda.

[swlovinist]

I dont see why they couldnt allow you to play virtual console games on the DSi with its hard drive. That is a feature that would be win win for everyone, and one that would give gamers their OOT on the go(as well as all the other VC games that they wanted to buy)

[CosmicMonkey]

Well the DSi and Wii both have SD card slots. So it is perfectly possible for Nintendo to allow you transfer your VC games to SD and play them on the DSi. The DSi is surely more than capable of emulating all the machines available on the VC, and it would be a nice direction for Nintendo to take.

[Leo_A]

There is no way the DS can emulate the N64 or Neo Geo, and I have serious doubts it could emulate at full speed with sound, the Super Nintendo.

The DS is basically a portable N64. I believe it's considered slightly more powerful, but it isn't a huge leap. Definitely not enough of a leap for it to have the power necessary to emulate it (As a general rule, a system has to be about 10 times as powerful as the system you're trying to emulate).

[Wolfrider31]

They've already re-made Ocarina of Time... it's call Twilight Princess.... :-/

[ButtonMasher123]

Who cares, I mean don't get me wrong or anything I loved this game back in the day, but the way that this game has been placed above everything else through out the years is kinda annoying. I don't want to say its overated because its not. Its just that there were other games just as good that don't get the godly status of this game.

Shoot I acually like Majora's Mask just as much, but Zelda fans will cut down on that all day long because it strayed from the traditional formula. I say they work on getting Majora's Mask up on Virtual Console before they go off and decide to make a remake of Ocarina of Time.

[CosmicMonkey]

I'd love to see a TP updated Majora's Mask too. It was certainly a very interesting concept and the most unique Zelda game.

[G-Boobie]

Whilst they're at it, they can also go back and actually make Phantom Hourglass a good game instead of the crap that it really is!

Shame on you.

[Solertia]

I don't get it, how is Twilight Princess anything like Ocarina of Time?

And eh, I've always loved the 2D Zelda games much more than the 3D anyway.

On that note, I'd love to see a remake of A Link to the Past, but only if they kept it 2D (you can do a LOT with 2D nowadays, example: the remakes of Final Fantasy I and II on PSP in comparison to their NES versions).

[eskobar]

The possibilities for a Ocarina of Time remake are slim to none ... remember that this game has been recently available for the Game Cube, hence it was available for Wii too :

Zelda : Master Quest
Zelda : Collector's Edition

There may be an eventual port for the Nintendo DS but a remake is not a possibility, it's Nintendo we are talking about, not Square Enix :S

[Leo_A]

I don't get it, how is Twilight Princess anything like Ocarina of Time?


I assume because it left cell shading behind and went towards a more realistic and serious style. I don't really understand why they're saying it, either.

[G-Boobie]

I assume because it left cell shading behind and went towards a more realistic and serious style. I don't really understand why they are saying it either.

If you set aside the fact that all Zelda games since Link to the Past are essentially the same game(minus Phantom Hourglass and a few bits of Wind Waker), you've still got some pretty remarkable similarities between Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess. Hyrule field acting as a hub, Epona carting yer elven ass around, the village in the beginning acting as the training level...

[parallaxscroll]

To the OP, Gemini-Phoenix, it seems you didn't know that Nintendo/Miyamoto said that Twilight Princess was the last Zelda game of its kind.

The next main console Zelda game, which has been in development for Wii for several years, will be very different from Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess. Nintendo is looking to come up with new ideas, a new direction for the next Zelda, and, to build it from the ground up for Wii, unlike Twilight Princess, a Zelda game designed for GameCube and only ported to Wii with quickly tacked-on Wii Remote controls.

I expect some annoucement on the next Zelda game at this year's E3. Although Miyamoto said last year that he was unsure if he would be able to show anything of it at E3 2009, so we'll just have to wait.... I also don't expect it to be released until fall 2010.

One thing can be counted on, the gameplay/control system will be totally new, and will take advantage of MotionPlus. As soon as Nintendo showed the sword slashing gameplay in Wii Sports Resort, it became completely obvious that the next Zelda would take advantage of this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1emrtvihg8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98tymtayDvk

[c0ldb33r]

Does lack of Zelda in 2008 imply Ocarina remake?
Does lack of Mario in 2008 imply Super Mario Bros. 3 remake?

Actually, that would be awesome. Make a game like Super Mario Galaxy but based on SMB 3 or SMB World. I would buy that in a heart beat.

[Wolfrider31]

I assume because it left cell shading behind and went towards a more realistic and serious style. I don't really understand why they are saying it either.

The formula for Twilight Princess is modeled pretty closely after OoT. Hyrule field, Hyrule town, giant fishing area, the dungeons, the way the game is split into 3 dungeons at the beginning, then 4 - all of which are essentially themed the same way as in OoT. Then of course there's the Ganon fight which is structured the same way. I just found Twilight Princess incredibly lazy.

I guess you could make the same argument for Wind Waker - but I thought the style and the boating aspect brought enough changes to make it feel fresh.

[p_b]

I guess you could make the same argument for Wind Waker - but I thought the style and the boating aspect brought enough changes to make it feel fresh.

I guess you could make the same argument for pretty much any recent Zelda game, to be honest.

[Leo_A]

The only two Zelda's I ever really felt were similar enough to be considered a remake was Ocarina of Time compared to Link to the Past. I felt like there were many similarities (Not a bad thing either, they're the two best games of the series).

I didn't get similar feelings with Twlight Princess, I need more than things like one area serving as a central hub to get feelings of dejavu and think that it's a remake. Twilight Princess was much too different from Ocarina of Time for me to consider it just a redone version of OoT, even if there are some similarities.

[Leo_A]

Stumbled across this thread and couldn't resist bumping it for a laugh.

So many people were so certain that Nintendo would never remake Ocarina of Time at this message board not very long ago.


Nintendo doesn't do remakes. Re-releases, sure. Not remakes. Consider also that they already re-released it for both the Gamecube and Virtual Console. Not gonna happen.


I doubt they will do a complete re-make of any of the Zelda games, since they're always able to come up with new ideas for their franchises. This is Nintendo we're talking about, not SquareEnix.


The possibilities for a Ocarina of Time remake are slim to none ... remember that this game has been recently available for the Game Cube, hence it was available for Wii too :

There may be an eventual port for the Nintendo DS but a remake is not a possibility, it's Nintendo we are talking about, not Square Enix :S

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/2/997842_172011_front.jpg

[Nature Boy]

Stumbled across this thread and couldn't resist bumping it for a laugh.

So many people were so certain that Nintendo would never remake Ocarina of Time at this message board not very long ago.

The thread to me wasn't about will they ever remake Ocarina - it was are they currently making it because we haven't seen a new Zelda in awhile. My opinion hasn't changed - still don't care really.

Considering Nintendo has been remaking and releasing older games for their portable platforms for awhile now (starting with Mario 64 DS I think), it's not like this was a shock at all either.

[Leo_A]

The thread to me wasn't about will they ever remake Ocarina - it was are they currently making it because we haven't seen a new Zelda in awhile. My opinion hasn't changed - still don't care really.

It's not important, I just was having some fun looking back at it. A few people predicted that there was next to no chance of an Ocarina remake happening. And of course that actually ended up coming to fruition and being released just a couple of years later when it hit store shelves earlier this summer.

I get bored occasionally and will type things into the search engine and look for interesting discussions to browse through.

[kupomogli]

I'll bet everyone in here 2k money that a new Zelda game hits the Wii before any remake.

Everyone who posted in this thread prior to The 1 2 P's comment, you just made yourself 2k money.

[Nature Boy]

Everyone who posted in this thread prior to The 1 2 P's comment, you just made yourself 2k money.

Only if he can't convince a court of law that he was obviously talking specifically about the Wii platform itself, and the 3DS port shouldn't count.