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Low G Man
02-16-2009, 07:25 AM
Hey :-D this will be my first post here. I've been a long time reader, and finally decided to join.

As someone who really loves Japanese video games, I often get really frustrated when a game I'm interested in comes to the U.S. and gets tons of ridiculous modifications, or just plain butchered beyond belief, or older titles that i feel should've had a standard localization. i'll give two examples

then-games localized by Working Designs. I know a lot of people loved them for the way they did their games, but i just don't get it. I recently got interested in titles from Falcom and Game Arts, and learned WD published some of them here, and decided to give them a shot. after playing their version of Popful Mail and saw their PSX Lunar making of video on Youtube, i just couldn't bare any more of it. I would be willing to tough-it-up a little more if the obnoxious pop-culture references were the only problem-but then i learned they fucked with the game mechanics in most of their titles, to apparently make it harder.

now-Retro Game Challenge-i was excited when i learned this was coming here, but was skeptical about how they localize it since the game is based on the Japanese Game Center CX show, which i really love watching. then after reading an interview with XSeed on Gamasutra, i was dishearten to learn they would be removing references to the show. I know these kinds of things are really minor to most people, but it personally bugs the hell outta me and I'm tired of being the "it's in English so it's just fine" person


At the moment, I'm mostly interested in older games for consoles like the famicom, PC engine, saturn, and a few others.

And now the next subject-learning Japanese. For many years I've always wanted to play these games the way they were meant to be, and of course there will always be those awesome titles that will pretty much never see the light of day outside of japan. I've always heard about the "import friendly" games, but i want to actually UNDERSTAND it all and observe every piece of the game and get the full experience. I'm currently looking for a good self learning program. most people would probably say take a course in collage, but sadly the collages around me don't offer Japanese, and i don't have the money. the best option i see right now would be Rosetta Stone, but I'm gonna keep looking for a bit longer just in case.

so, what would your suggestions be? And if you are Japanese fluent, how did you go about learning it?

Ro-J
02-16-2009, 09:29 AM
You want to learn Japanese so you can better experience the imports? Good luck, your hardcore is stronger than mine.

There are already threads on this to check out....

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118244&referrerid=20459

aclbandit
02-16-2009, 11:30 AM
Perhaps a weird suggestion, but I know for a fact that it has worked splendidly for me:
Go to college and learn Japanese. It's one of my majors currently, and the three years I've had so far have been unbelievably helpful in understanding imports.

Or you could just get My Japanese Coach for the Nintendo DS. Whatever floats your boat, lol ^^

Low G Man
02-16-2009, 07:45 PM
Perhaps a weird suggestion, but I know for a fact that it has worked splendidly for me:
Go to college and learn Japanese. It's one of my majors currently, and the three years I've had so far have been unbelievably helpful in understanding imports.

Or you could just get My Japanese Coach for the Nintendo DS. Whatever floats your boat, lol ^^
I heard My Japanese Coach sucks for hardcore learners. As for collage, I most likely have to wait till me move to another area. the collages around me don't offer Japanese classes. I'm currently looking for a good self-learning program until then.

smork
02-17-2009, 01:14 AM
I heard My Japanese Coach sucks for hardcore learners. As for collage, I most likely have to wait till me move to another area. the collages around me don't offer Japanese classes. I'm currently looking for a good self-learning program until then.

I don't know that you can ever get that good when self-learning only. You can brute memorize kana/kanji/vocabulary enough to know games, I suppose, but it wouldn't be much fun. You really need a language partner and some stimulation, so classes or a tutor or some Japanese friends would be a big help.

Maybe you can find a language exchange partner online! I made some friends years ago through the Japan Pen Friends at japan-guide.com. One of the persons I met is still a great friend to this day. There's all kinds of people looking for friendship and English practice, so you can study some independantly and practice while makind friends.

Oh, and welcome to the site! :)

Iron Draggon
02-19-2009, 12:20 PM
does Rosetta Stone teach you how to read Japanese too, or just how to speak it? I've been wondering how well it would work for gaming purposes myself, as I hate having so many games that I can't play well due to the language barrier also... even if I only learned enough to navigate menus better, it would help alot... but I know it's an absolute bitch to learn all the characters, much less all the other quirks of the language, and the in-jokes

however, there seems to be a fair amount of people here who can read it well enough for playing games, so maybe some of those people would be interested in forming a learning & tutoring club here? I know most people don't have the time to teach it, but if we had a way to post in Japanese here, maybe we could help each other out just by chatting it up a bit... surely there's a few basics that tend to come up in games alot, aren't there?

Arctic Feather
02-19-2009, 08:42 PM
I heard My Japanese Coach sucks for hardcore learners. As for collage, I most likely have to wait till me move to another area. the collages around me don't offer Japanese classes. I'm currently looking for a good self-learning program until then.

Yeah, my Japanese Coach isn't great. It's clearly been adapted from the other series for Western languages as it has useless things like spelling tests in romanji.

It also starts using romanji and you have to unlock hiragana and katakana (!) by completing 30 lessons.

I could actually write a lot about what's wrong with it, to be honest. It may be useful to learn some simple vocab or refresh some grammar points, but a textbook is going to give much better results.

GrumpyTF
02-21-2009, 08:49 PM
Hi,

I started out studying at University. I definitely recommend finding a class or at least a tutor, learning to read will be a lot more rewarding if you learn to speak at the same time. My books are all in storage so I can't give you a recommendation. Most of what I used came from Japan and would be hard to find here but I know there are some good books available from Western publishers too.

Ed Oscuro
02-22-2009, 06:11 AM
Just learning katakana will help a whole lot for gaming purposes. Of course, learning kanji and hiragana goes much further, and you can't beat a good university-level course.

There's a couple well-known JPNS textbooks in the U.S.; I use Genki ("healthy") and I hear varying things about it. It does have some definite drawbacks (i.e. using unusual constructions for no apparent reason), but a good instructor negates 'em. There's another one, which may or may not be better. I'm sure it doesn't have the famous Mary-san, though.