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Zap!
03-14-2009, 01:50 AM
For a brief window in the mid-2000s, video games became politicians' favorite piñata. Joe Lieberman and Ted Kennedy spoke out against 2004's JFK Reloaded, a game that let you re-enact the Kennedy assassination. The "Hot Coffee" modification to Grand Theft Auto—which allowed players to (poorly) simulate intercourse with in-game girlfriends—left Lieberman and Hillary Clinton in a huff in 2005. That same year, the Illinois Legislature (among many others) banned the sale of violent games to minors, with then-Gov. Rod Blagojevich sending a message to "the parents of Illinois" pointing out that "98 percent of the games considered suitable by the industry for teenagers contain graphic violence."

The last couple of years haven't been as fruitful for video game scolds. Jack Thompson, the longtime face of the anti-game-violence movement, was recently banned from practicing law in Florida. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals just ruled that a California law banning the sale of violent video games to minors was unconstitutional. There is a Wii in the White House. With America's pro-gaming forces gathering strength, crusading politicians must now journey beyond our shores to find games to rail against. Enter New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn, who has joined with the New York City Alliance Against Sexual Assault in calling for a stateside ban of a Japanese "rape simulator" game called RapeLay.


http://www.slate.com/id/2213073

http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/2097085/2210730/2213072/090309_GAM_rapelay_TN.jpg

TonyTheTiger
03-14-2009, 01:55 AM
I'm not in favor of government bans or anything of that sort but I do think that some games are just creatively irresponsible.

RetroYoungen
03-14-2009, 02:24 AM
Wow. Just... wow. That's so wrong, just disgusting, just crude and way too far over the line. It's not tasteful, it's not "nice" in ANY way/shape/form.






I want it.

Diosoth
03-14-2009, 02:30 AM
Rape is not porn. It is not desirable or appealing. I actually insulted an artist I once respected because he decided to start drawing rape pictures. Guess regular porn isn't enough for the guy anymore.

ScourDX
03-14-2009, 02:47 AM
I remember hearing about this game when it was first released in April 2006. At that time everyone was ridicule GTA: SA hot coffee mod. I find it funny people now starting to notice this game after 2.5 years.

Sonicwolf
03-14-2009, 02:59 AM
This is pretty sick. Where is the line? Im surprised there isnt a child molesting game. Its not far from that.

Daria
03-14-2009, 03:24 AM
Eh. I'd play it.

Always what's the point of banning a game from another country?

Aussie2B
03-14-2009, 03:31 AM
Known about it a long time. There's a good review about it here:

http://www.honestgamers.com/systems/content.php?review_id=4775&platform=PC&abr=PC&gametitle=RapeLay

Kinda silly to jump on it now. It's been around for years, and it would be pretty difficult to stop people from importing it (or finding and punishing people who've owned it a long time now). They also can't get very far policing it on the internet. Even if they try to keep Americans from hosting it, they can't control foreigners, nor can they easily figure out if Americans are downloading from said foreigners. Really, they can't get anywhere with this period because a few years back the Supreme Court overturned a law banning CG child pornography. As messed up as it is, there's nothing about the game that seems to be illegal for an adult to own and view, and with protection of freedom of speech on the internet, they can't go and get rid of everything just because children may access it. That's why child pornography is the only type of pornography they can crack down on because it's illegal for anyone at any age.

Push Upstairs
03-14-2009, 03:50 AM
Something else to add to the "WTF Japan??" list.

Aussie2B
03-14-2009, 04:07 AM
Haha, I can't believe they're talking about this on CNN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1KYB-8cNY

Never thought I'd see the day that they're talking about Japanese hentai games starring CG anime girls. :P

The 1 2 P
03-14-2009, 04:17 AM
This was on gamepro.com a month or so ago. There was about to be a polical movement against it. The only thing they accomplished was getting it removed from amazon. It's still(unfortunately) readily available on ebay. And I agree that you won't be able to stop people from importing it. But still.....of all the wacky bizarre shit the Japanese are into, this has got to be by far the worse. It's even worse than tenticle porn with school girls. I guess the captain can sum it up best....

http://i494.photobucket.com/albums/rr306/THE-1-2-P/FacePalm_picard.jpg

unwinddesign
03-14-2009, 04:35 AM
People are horrified by this, but barely blink an eye at the hundreds of games where you gibb humans into gooey little bits.

I know the argument goes that rape is "psychologically fucked up" etc. etc. and that getting off it on is, well wrong, but I always thought killing people was worse. One life and all that shit.

Before anyone thinks I'm supporting this, I'm not. Not in the slightest. It's retarded. While funny that some idiot spent his time making it, it really doesn't need to exist. Nonetheless, there's a shitload of games that have lots of illegal behavior going on, a lot of which is worse than rape. FYI, I qualify "murder" as worse than rape. Even if you don't, it's definitely up there. So why flip a shit about this game? It's not realistic in the slightest, and it's just way too ridiculous to be taken seriously.

Berserker
03-14-2009, 05:00 AM
I don't think it should be banned. It's certainly fucked up, but I don't think it's something we should consider taking seriously or even the notion of people taking it seriously over here in the States, or Canada, or Europe. It's not something that 99.9% of the population of any country in the west would find remotely interesting.

If anything, I think the only thing this represents is a certain inherently creepy aspect of Japanese culture that is utterly rape-obsessed. It's fucked up, but I seriously think it's a cultural thing.

unwinddesign
03-14-2009, 05:03 AM
If anything, banning would give it more attention. I doubt most people had any idea this existed. Fuck, I play video games a lot, and I had no clue.

Now everyone will know, especially if there's a push to ban it. I can smell the eBay profits...

Zap!
03-14-2009, 05:21 AM
If anything, banning would give it more attention. I doubt most people had any idea this existed. Fuck, I play video games a lot, and I had no clue.

Now everyone will know, especially if there's a push to ban it. I can smell the eBay profits...

eBay and Amazon banned it. Although legal in the US for now, no major online store carries it. It's almost impossible to find.

Steve W
03-14-2009, 10:42 AM
Aren't there heaps of games like this in Japan? They act like Japan just came out with something new and bizarre, instead of creating a slew of horrible games throughout the years. Check out Something Awful's reviews, including RapeLay: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hentai-game-reviews/

otaku
03-14-2009, 10:55 AM
Hopefully it won't incite any violence towards women and will instead help curb such things. Shouldn't be banned as disgusting as it is but it was irresponsible of the company that made it to do so. Anyone who buys it has issues for sure. Pretty sad stuff :(

c0ldb33r
03-14-2009, 11:31 AM
This is pretty sick. Where is the line? Im surprised there isnt a child molesting game. Its not far from that.
There are probably tons of them.

This game has been out for years. No one knew this game existed. By raising a stink about this game now, they're increasing the number of downloads or purchases this is getting tenfold.

ScourDX
03-14-2009, 11:39 AM
You know what getting this game banned only allows more people to download them. I am pretty sure some kid will be downloading them via Torrent. If anything they should've kept this low profile.

TonyTheTiger
03-14-2009, 12:01 PM
It's true that this isn't news. Rape simulators and various types of games/anime are not new. I've seen a few in my day and though I haven't played/seen this one I'd bet it's not the worst of the bunch, either. I think this can be summed up, though, by taking a look at A Clockwork Orange.

In the novel, the main character rapes a couple of ten year olds. In the movie adaptation, however, it's changed to consensual sex with older teens. This, I think, defines the difference. With a book, simple prose, it's just words. It's far less jarring because it really is "just a story." But when adapted to film, now you're dealing with something far more vivid and even in a movie as fucked up as A Clockwork Orange, not many people would be comfortable depicting a child rape scene. Especially since these girls would be played by actresses who are actually real people. I'm all for creative freedom but creative freedom comes paired with creative responsibility. And filming the scene as it was written would have been creatively irresponsible.

I'm convinced the only reason games/hentai like this can 'get away with it' is because it is "just a cartoon." It might be in bad taste but it has the same kind of defenses that the Clockwork novel would use.

I'll be perfectly honest. I think Manhunt pushes into creative irresponsibility, too. But, again, it's "just a cartoon...sort of." I guarantee that if CGI were capable of mimicking reality flawlessly then a game like Manhunt wouldn't be able find a market. Who'd want to play it if it were that real, right? I think the same thing goes for these rape simulators or hentai where the oldest female involved is a whopping 12 years old. If it got "too real" it ends up crossing that line into "what the fuck this is sick" to even the most dedicated supporters.

I'm sort of talking out of both ends of my mouth here. But what I'm trying to get at is that at some point an offensive concept is less offensive to the masses because of the limitations of the medium itself. When moved into a different medium, or when the limitations of a medium are removed from the equation, then all of a sudden something relatively innocent turns into something incredibly disturbing.

c0ldb33r
03-14-2009, 12:17 PM
Omfg! The House On The Left Has A Vivid Horrible Rape Scene!!!

Let's All Get It!!!! *grabs Pitchforks And Fire*

FxMercenary
03-14-2009, 12:18 PM
There are probably tons of them.

This game has been out for years. No one knew this game existed. By raising a stink about this game now, they're increasing the number of downloads or purchases this is getting tenfold.

just checked the torrent trackers, the interest on this one is up over 30 fold.

heybtbm
03-14-2009, 12:40 PM
Welcome to 2 years ago. Doesn't anyone read Kotaku?

MarioMania
03-14-2009, 01:02 PM
Wow, It only take a couple people to talk about this game, and it's getting shit load of hits because of this

vintagegamecrazy
03-14-2009, 01:28 PM
That's sick and your all right, they shouldn't ban it because it'll only draw attention. Morally I'm opposed to this or GTA for that fact and don't play overloy violent games usually. I will play RE4, though it's violent, your out to kill evil. I will however not play a tasteless game like Manhunt for the same moral reasons I wouldn't play this rape game.

It's too bad that so many Japanese have to get off to this kind of stuff causing so many programmers to design this stuff.

TonyTheTiger
03-14-2009, 01:55 PM
Omfg! The House On The Left Has A Vivid Horrible Rape Scene!!!

Let's All Get It!!!! *grabs Pitchforks And Fire*

That scene isn't celebrated, though. I think that's the core difference.

But this is why I think that video games shouldn't be compared to movies and vice versa. Two different mediums. Two different sets of "rules" so to speak. And the only reason why something like Manhunt can sell is because it doesn't actually look real. I think most people would get sick to their stomachs otherwise because, unlike film, video games are an interactive medium.

I'll be the first to admit that it's not worth getting up in arms over one out of a thousand hentai games. It's friggin' hentai. Who gives a shit, right? I'm just saying that at some point there is a line.

Cryomancer
03-14-2009, 02:06 PM
Sad part is this one is kinda tame compared to Biko 3 if you ask me. In the game, you actually STALK the girls first. Like, it's a stealth action follow them home from the train station game. Although supposedly you can also win their love somehow less creepy/rapist too, but I was terrible at that game as I am at all stealth games.

And yeah seriously Rapelay was popular on internets over tw years ago, bringing this up again has only made more people play it. They had already moved on to somewhat less rapist games like Artificial Girl 3 by now.

Gameguy
03-14-2009, 02:47 PM
People are horrified by this, but barely blink an eye at the hundreds of games where you gibb humans into gooey little bits.

I know the argument goes that rape is "psychologically fucked up" etc. etc. and that getting off it on is, well wrong, but I always thought killing people was worse. One life and all that shit.
Usually in games where you kill people, you kill enemy soldiers, criminals, "bad guys", etc. That usually seems more acceptible to people than abusing innocent school children or women. Think about action movies, most are considered appropriate when "bad guys" are killed. Other movies involving serious abuse or torture like what's in the game usually isn't as easily accepted by people.

Even with states that have the death sentence, that seems to be considered appropriate punishment. But I've never heard of any state sentencing people to be raped or tortured as punishment for any crimes. It really is considered worse than death.



It's true that this isn't news. Rape simulators and various types of games/anime are not new. I've seen a few in my day and though I haven't played/seen this one I'd bet it's not the worst of the bunch, either. I think this can be summed up, though, by taking a look at A Clockwork Orange.

In the novel, the main character rapes a couple of ten year olds. In the movie adaptation, however, it's changed to consensual sex with older teens. This, I think, defines the difference. With a book, simple prose, it's just words. It's far less jarring because it really is "just a story." But when adapted to film, now you're dealing with something far more vivid and even in a movie as fucked up as A Clockwork Orange, not many people would be comfortable depicting a child rape scene. Especially since these girls would be played by actresses who are actually real people. I'm all for creative freedom but creative freedom comes paired with creative responsibility. And filming the scene as it was written would have been creatively irresponsible.
Don't forget about Lolita(also made into a film by Stanley Kubrick, and later remade into another film by someone else). A 40+ year old man is into a 12 year old girl, and the film sticks closely with the ages(changed to 14). The later remake shows some really graphic scenes, and you know it's a child. I turned on the TV several years ago and the remake happened to be on, I wondered what the hell they were showing since it seemed so wrong to be broadcast, that's when I looked it up and found out it was originally a book.


This is pretty sick. Where is the line? Im surprised there isnt a child molesting game. Its not far from that.
There are plenty of eroge games like that, plenty involving school aged children, and a few of those involving things like incest(brother and sister, etc). I don't play eroge games, but I've read reviews on several of them and was very shocked at what they actually include in them. The more I read about Japanese culture the more I want to distance myself from it.

Diosoth
03-14-2009, 05:28 PM
Banning it is a wasted effort, because anyone with a PC that can run it has a suitable connection to pirate it from somewhere. And really, someone who supports RAPE probably has no issues with downloading illegally, which makes me wonder why they even buy it to begin with.

Unfortunately, there exist people who think that "nudity = porn" no matter what. So we get rape drawings. There's "vore" which usually involved people being eaten, possibly digested, and people find that to be pornographic.

Rape is just a hair above murder.

TonyTheTiger
03-14-2009, 05:56 PM
I'll be perfectly honest. I don't think that absolutely everybody who plays this game is a wannabe rapist. I don't think that there's necessarily a correlation between people who do this "fantasy" stuff and what they'd do in real life. If that were the case then we'd all be going to hell for getting a kick out of watching our people run around like lunatics when the kitchen bursts into flames in The Sims.

I just think that at some point things stop being entertainment. Film can be used for a lot of things, not just movies. But even some fictional movies, traditionally intended to entertain, tend to jump a line where I find it hard to call it "entertainment." The same can go for video games.

This and many other hentai games I liken to slasher films. If Friday the 13th actually happened I think every single one of us would be shitting ourselves. That is not something we want to see. Now I'm not particularly a fan of slasher films but I can understand that it's a brand of entertainment that works for a lot of people. These fans can separate the fantasy of the movie from how they'd feel if it were actually unfolding right in front of them. And I'm sure most of the people who play RapeLay would be horrified if they saw a comparable event happen to their next door neighbors.

So, no, I don't think fans of hentai, even if the hentai involves rape or pedophilia, are necessarily bad people who are rapists and pedophiles themselves anymore than I think that people who play GTA are all closet mass murderers. I do, however, think RapeLay and comparable games are in bad taste and I wouldn't produce one myself.

Diosoth
03-14-2009, 06:53 PM
I'll be perfectly honest. I don't think that absolutely everybody who plays this game is a wannabe rapist. I don't think that there's necessarily a correlation between people who do this "fantasy" stuff and what they'd do in real life. If that were the case then we'd all be going to hell for getting a kick out of watching our people run around like lunatics when the kitchen bursts into flames in The Sims.

I just think that at some point things stop being entertainment. Film can be used for a lot of things, not just movies. But even some fictional movies, traditionally intended to entertain, tend to jump a line where I find it hard to call it "entertainment." The same can go for video games.

This and many other hentai games I liken to slasher films. If Friday the 13th actually happened I think every single one of us would be shitting ourselves. That is not something we want to see. Now I'm not particularly a fan of slasher films but I can understand that it's a brand of entertainment that works for a lot of people. These fans can separate the fantasy of the movie from how they'd feel if it were actually unfolding right in front of them. And I'm sure most of the people who play RapeLay would be horrified if they saw a comparable event happen to their next door neighbors.

So, no, I don't think fans of hentai, even if the hentai involves rape or pedophilia, are necessarily bad people who are rapists and pedophiles themselves anymore than I think that people who play GTA are all closet mass murderers. I do, however, think RapeLay and comparable games are in bad taste and I wouldn't produce one myself.

Hentai does not automatically equal "bad". There ARE simple nude drawings of legal age adult characters, and soemtimes someone actually draws a consensual act.

The closest the US had to this was Ethnic Cleansing, the white supremacist game crapped out by the morons behind Resistance Records. Only mindless white trash bought copies to play. Funny, really, since most white supremacists are probably too stupid to play video games.

Ed Oscuro
03-14-2009, 06:56 PM
All things considered, Axelay is much better.

TonyTheTiger
03-14-2009, 07:16 PM
Hentai does not automatically equal "bad". There ARE simple nude drawings of legal age adult characters, and soemtimes someone actually draws a consensual act.

The closest the US had to this was Ethnic Cleansing, the white supremacist game crapped out by the morons behind Resistance Records. Only mindless white trash bought copies to play. Funny, really, since most white supremacists are probably too stupid to play video games.

I know. I wasn't including general "animated porn" in this. Or even "real life" porn, for that matter.

And, yeah, Ethnic Cleansing as well as that JFK shooting simulator fall into a similar category of artistic irresponsibility. We've all had these moments where somebody is telling bad (read: racist/sexist/vulgar/etc.) jokes and you're all laughing because they're genuinely funny but then somebody goes "a little too far" and it stops being fun. It hits too close to home, so to speak. I think that's what can happen in these situations. I can't draw the line but I know when it's been crossed. And it's usually when you first see somebody give that uncomfortable smile where they only show the top row of their teeth.

I'm the biggest fan of "edgy" humor but even the most open stand up comics who work with racial humor all the time probably cringed when they saw the Michael Richards fiasco, regardless of their color. Our personal "lines" might be in different places but I think most people have them.

DonMarco
03-15-2009, 03:02 AM
Why bother responding to this topic at all?

1. Defending Rapelay either makes you a rapist wannabe or rapist video gamer.
2. Defending rape play (between two consenting adults OR fictional characters) makes you a weird creep.
3. Defending controversial topics in video games makes you a pariah.

Lastly, is there nothing more important we should be looking over? Usually, when politicians do things like this, they're only using it to fuel some other fire. Say... Preventing minors from buying M-rated games (unconstitutional). Fining people who sell M-rated games to kids (also unconstitutional). Or shipping M-rated games by mail (much like with wine, tobacco and porn) which could find their way into the hands of some poor impressionable youths. Or fining a tax on the sales of M-rated games? Or preventing any American company from working on erotic games????

Seriously, if the best Illusion game can make it to CNN after three years ... What could a decent American game company do?

U-S-A!
U-S-A!
U-S-A!

Which brings up another thought. Why does "erotic game" make people go "lawl Japan" when it should be "lawl prudish America". And a crackdown on game content is a very real threat, people. Look at Germany, which made selling Gears of War 2 illegal just like dozens of other games. Look at in China and that Warcraft expansion. Look at Japan, which censored blood/red out of No More Heroes.

I really want to write up a much longer article on this. I probably won't, but at least I'll think about it tomorrow.

TonyTheTiger
03-15-2009, 03:11 AM
snip.

You realize that you just posited a huge straw man, right? Nobody in here, or even in the media, was making the argument you just attacked.

Zap!
03-15-2009, 03:33 AM
So what online stores carry this? Yeah it's sick and I would never play it, but if it's gonna be banned I want it because it'll be a part of gaming history.

TonyTheTiger
03-15-2009, 03:35 AM
It's not banned and it won't be. It's just that this all started when Amazon noticed the game was being sold on the site and decided to put a stop to it. That's what caused the "news." Some major online retailers are not allowing it but I'm sure you can find it if you look hard enough.

c0ldb33r
03-15-2009, 10:21 AM
heh wow, what a post
Why bother responding to any topic at all?

1. Defending anything either makes you a rapist wannabe or rapist video gamer.
2. Defending anything makes you a weird creep.
3. Defending controversial topics makes you a pariah.

Seriously? Why bother trying to stifle a conversation. If you don't want to engage in the conversation, don't bother.

Cryomancer
03-15-2009, 11:20 AM
Look at Japan, which censored blood/red out of No More Heroes.


No More Heroes is a Japanese developed game. Europe doesn't have the blood either, it was ADDED for the American release.

Half Japanese
03-15-2009, 11:54 AM
Can we agree that outside some folks' shield of anonymity provided by the internet, that hentai, dating sims, and associated forms of "entertainment" are extremely lame?

kedawa
03-15-2009, 01:44 PM
I've watched a few videos of this game, and it looks boring as hell. I couldn't even tell it was supposed to be a rape simulator. It seemed more like a voyeuristic game where the girl was slightly uncomfortable.

Aussie2B
03-15-2009, 04:33 PM
Can we agree that outside some folks' shield of anonymity provided by the internet, that hentai, dating sims, and associated forms of "entertainment" are extremely lame?

No way, man. Some dating sims (hentai or not) are really fun. You could throw boobs into, I dunno, Metal Gear Solid or Resident Evil, and it doesn't make them suddenly not worth playing. A fun game is a fun game. At their core, dating sims are about gameplay-centered character interaction. They're not much different from, say, an RPG with the usual love interest part of the plot, except instead of just sitting back and watching who the lead is predetermined to hook up with, you get to have fun interacting with a bunch of characters and deciding what couple you prefer best. There's a reason why games like Harvest Moon, Thousand Arms, Ar tonelico, Persona, and others have dating sim aspects. It's just fun.

Of course, none of this is really relevant to RapeLay, as it's not a dating sim nor are most hentai games like it.

SegaAges
03-15-2009, 07:04 PM
I don't care if it is out.

I see it like porno mags. If you don't like it, don't buy it or read it to support it. Make a fuss, more people know about it, but if you just be quiet and not support it, then they lose a sale. If everybody does that, then you are good.

Graham Mitchell
03-16-2009, 12:14 PM
Can we agree that outside some folks' shield of anonymity provided by the internet, that hentai, dating sims, and associated forms of "entertainment" are extremely lame?

Hate to play Devil's Advocate but I must admit that I've seen some pics of Hentai games and some of them actually look kind of interesting. Some of them appear to be adventure games similar to Snatcher or the LucasArts games. The gratuitous sex and what not are probably difficult to sit through, true, but there were some that I saw and thought I would actually like to try them.

I love games where part of the puzzle is choosing the right responses to questions, etc, and that's what some of these games seem to be all about. Of course, I'm sure when you get deep enough into them, they become absolutely disgusting.

poloplayr
03-16-2009, 07:43 PM
Ah! This must be the game that rapists have been playing and inspiring since the dawn of humanity. Probably the same software house that put out the murder simulators that Hitler loved so much. Yes, they surely must be banned because imaginary drawn people get hurt on the screen.

Japan has the most tasteless and immoral porn in the world but please correct me if I am wrong but its rape-related crime statistics are considerably lower compared to the US and other Western countries.

Ed Oscuro
03-17-2009, 12:35 AM
Nah, Japan's statistics for rape are way out there; high enough that they've organized women-only cars on many subway lines in various cities.

I'm kinda torn about the whole issue of stuff.

On the one hand, it's a fantasy and responsible people can separate between that and reality.

On the other, the more time a consumer spends with this stuff, they have to sort of obsess over it. There's probably a difference somewhere between a person understanding what kind of person they are and what they like, and putting themselves in proximity with stuff that's creating a world where, in this example, rape is okay and just a fact of normal life.

It's easy enough to blame it on the reckless deviants, but what about the attitude shift in everybody else?

The 1 2 P
03-17-2009, 02:44 AM
Can we agree that outside some folks' shield of anonymity provided by the internet, that hentai, dating sims, and associated forms of "entertainment" are extremely lame?

Hentai? Funny. Dating sims? Ridiculously funny. As for the other stuff like this rapeplay "game", I'm sure someone out there finds it entertaining. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.

A Black Falcon
03-17-2009, 03:10 AM
Nah, Japan's statistics for rape are way out there; high enough that they've organized women-only cars on many subway lines in various cities.

Yeah... people just don't actually get charged very often, I believe. :(


I'm kinda torn about the whole issue of stuff.

On the one hand, it's a fantasy and responsible people can separate between that and reality.

On the other, the more time a consumer spends with this stuff, they have to sort of obsess over it. There's probably a difference somewhere between a person understanding what kind of person they are and what they like, and putting themselves in proximity with stuff that's creating a world where, in this example, rape is okay and just a fact of normal life.

It's easy enough to blame it on the reckless deviants, but what about the attitude shift in everybody else?

Yeah, it's tough... that stuff on the one hand, but freedom of speech on the other... and I absolutely believe in freedom of speech. Nobody's being directly harmed by the existence of the game... it's like the US with things like neo-nazi music and stuff, it's not illegal until they actually start doing physical violence or things like that. Many other nations limit words a lot more than we do, though, so this isn't an absolute... but I do think America does it right.

But on the other hand, the things you talk about are absolutely very troubling. But what's the best way to fight against it without banning the things outright? Because things shouldn't be banned just because some people can't handle the content; on that standard, the 'violence in videogames should be banned' people would win, instead of focusing on the actual problem, already troubled people who society failed to notice were dangerous.

I guess what I would take the most issue with is that there isn't enough in anime or anime-style games arguing AGAINST this kind of thing. It is just fantasy, so games like this should be able to exist... but ideally there wouldn't be much of a market for them, and we'd do a better job of stopping the troubled people sooner.

Oh yeah, and Japan would do a lot of good if they'd work on their women's rights... because if people aren't being punished, nothing's going to change, that's for sure. At least in most Western countries, people who do that kind of thing know that there's a good chance that they'll eventually be caught and put in jail for a good long while... the real problem are cultural attitudes and laws. Laws aren't hard to change, but cultural attitudes... those don't change fast, or easily. Just look at our current struggle for gay rights (in this country and everywhere else) for proof of that...

Zap!
03-17-2009, 03:17 AM
Oh boy...

tubeway
03-17-2009, 03:24 AM
Does it have a 2 Player mode so one player can be the one getting raped?

The 1 2 P
03-17-2009, 03:52 AM
Does it have a 2 Player mode so one player can be the one getting raped?

Thats not the kind of co-op I would prefer. But I guess some people like being the bitch.

Aussie2B
03-17-2009, 04:59 PM
Nah, Japan's statistics for rape are way out there; high enough that they've organized women-only cars on many subway lines in various cities.

Rape and subway gropings are two very, very different things.

The last thing this topic needs is to turn into another "Japan is so bizarre" or "Japan is so messed up" topic. We shouldn't vilify an entire nation and people over an obscure, creepy PC game. People are acting as if Rapelay is getting the same sales and recognition in Japan as Final Fantasy.

Buyatari
03-17-2009, 05:21 PM
People are horrified by this, but barely blink an eye at the hundreds of games where you gibb humans into gooey little bits.

I know the argument goes that rape is "psychologically fucked up" etc. etc. and that getting off it on is, well wrong, but I always thought killing people was worse. One life and all that shit.

Before anyone thinks I'm supporting this, I'm not. Not in the slightest. It's retarded. While funny that some idiot spent his time making it, it really doesn't need to exist. Nonetheless, there's a shitload of games that have lots of illegal behavior going on, a lot of which is worse than rape. FYI, I qualify "murder" as worse than rape. Even if you don't, it's definitely up there. So why flip a shit about this game? It's not realistic in the slightest, and it's just way too ridiculous to be taken seriously.

I think everyone has thought about commiting a violent acts at some time or another and many may even think about killing someone who has harmed them in the past even if it is just to think about it. Then we have war and captial punishment where killing is "supposed to be" the right thing to do. So killing isn't always so bad to some people and it is something many have even considered if only briefly. In general we have just grown a think skin when it comes to murder.

Rape well rape is always wrong.

TonyTheTiger
03-17-2009, 06:06 PM
Yeah... people just don't actually get charged very often, I believe. :(

It's one of the least reported crimes, if not the #1 least reported crime.


Yeah, it's tough... that stuff on the one hand, but freedom of speech on the other... and I absolutely believe in freedom of speech. Nobody's being directly harmed by the existence of the game... it's like the US with things like neo-nazi music and stuff, it's not illegal until they actually start doing physical violence or things like that. Many other nations limit words a lot more than we do, though, so this isn't an absolute... but I do think America does it right.

The freedom of speech thing only comes into play when you start talking about banning stuff. In this case, most of us here and in the media are just saying it's in poor taste. Amazon is choosing of its own volition not to allow it on their site much like I'm sure many of us wouldn't want Neo Nazis in our homes. You can be pro First Amendment and still call garbage what it is. I've been doing that with Manhunt since it first came out. We aren't wiping our asses with the Constitution just because we don't give a free pass to everything under the sun.

The First Amendment would come into play if we started arguing that this should be banned because it's an implicit rallying cry for violence against women and that kind of speech isn't protected. But I highly doubt that argument would hold water. There are a lot of "rape play" porn films where rape is used as a springboard but the girl eventually submits either because she finds it exciting or because she just accepts being powerless in the situation. And those are live action yet don't qualify. As tasteless as RapeLay might be, it's still just a cartoon.

Male power fantasies are not alien to entertainment, even innocent entertainment. It's particularly not alien to video games, a medium mostly targeted at young males. A wholly innocent game like Ar Tonelico has constant sleazy undertones. And this is a game I like. But I'd be lying through my teeth if I didn't say I'm sometimes embarrassed to play it just because the dialogue is so full of innuendo. RapeLay is sort of the same deal except, unlike Ar Tonelico, it sheds all pretense and just says what it means to say.

And this isn't just games involving sex, either. Any game where you play as a muscular one man army is appealing to the little Rambo in all of us. And I don't think that's a bad thing. Wish fulfillment is relatively normal in entertainment and should continue to be. We wouldn't have Superman if a couple of kids from the 30s didn't think, "Man, wouldn't it be cool to be super strong?" Games like RapeLay and Manhunt just take it "a little too far." It's just like the racist joke. Racist jokes can be incredibly funny. Until someone goes "a little too far." But the location of the line varies from person to person. I don't think there's any "evil" to playing RapeLay. I don't think people who do are bad people or prone to deviant sexual behavior. It's just that, for me, it crosses that line where it stops being entertaining...for me...maybe not for somebody else.

Buyatari
03-18-2009, 01:26 AM
Not like we haven't seen it before.

What about Custer's Revenge is that one OK ?

TonyTheTiger
03-18-2009, 01:41 AM
Not particularly.

But, again, it's tasteless but simultaneously a stupid cartoon. And I use that word loosely as those things on screen barely look human at all. It's not particularly harmful but it doesn't have to be in order to qualify as garbage.

ThoughtBomb
03-24-2009, 11:17 AM
It's true that this isn't news. Rape simulators and various types of games/anime are not new. I've seen a few in my day and though I haven't played/seen this one I'd bet it's not the worst of the bunch, either. I think this can be summed up, though, by taking a look at A Clockwork Orange.

In the novel, the main character rapes a couple of ten year olds. In the movie adaptation, however, it's changed to consensual sex with older teens. This, I think, defines the difference. With a book, simple prose, it's just words. It's far less jarring because it really is "just a story." But when adapted to film, now you're dealing with something far more vivid and even in a movie as fucked up as A Clockwork Orange, not many people would be comfortable depicting a child rape scene. Especially since these girls would be played by actresses who are actually real people. I'm all for creative freedom but creative freedom comes paired with creative responsibility. And filming the scene as it was written would have been creatively irresponsible.

I'm convinced the only reason games/hentai like this can 'get away with it' is because it is "just a cartoon." It might be in bad taste but it has the same kind of defenses that the Clockwork novel would use.

I'll be perfectly honest. I think Manhunt pushes into creative irresponsibility, too. But, again, it's "just a cartoon...sort of." I guarantee that if CGI were capable of mimicking reality flawlessly then a game like Manhunt wouldn't be able find a market. Who'd want to play it if it were that real, right? I think the same thing goes for these rape simulators or hentai where the oldest female involved is a whopping 12 years old. If it got "too real" it ends up crossing that line into "what the fuck this is sick" to even the most dedicated supporters.

I'm sort of talking out of both ends of my mouth here. But what I'm trying to get at is that at some point an offensive concept is less offensive to the masses because of the limitations of the medium itself. When moved into a different medium, or when the limitations of a medium are removed from the equation, then all of a sudden something relatively innocent turns into something incredibly disturbing.

...Not you too Tony, not you too. :bawling:

TonyTheTiger
03-24-2009, 01:15 PM
What do you mean? :?

The 1 2 P
03-24-2009, 03:41 PM
It looks like ebay has finally started to ban this game...two years after allowing it to sell regularly in the adult section. Better late than never I suppose.

ThoughtBomb
03-24-2009, 06:56 PM
What do you mean? :?

I was just goofin on your avatar. The thought of Tony the Tiger making social commentary about a hentai rape game makes me laugh. Yea, I'm a little nutty. 'It's RRRape!'

Kroogah
03-24-2009, 07:14 PM
'It's RRRape!'

This thread just got 120% more awesome.

Compute
03-24-2009, 07:31 PM
I'll throw in my hat on this one..

What makes rape different from killing somebody? Let's remove this whole "good" and "evil" because those terms are bulllshit. They merely exist to give us REASON to kill, maim, rape, whatever. It's ok to kill this guy because he is "bad."

No matter how "bad" RapeLay may be (I didn't play it because I personally find it to be disgusting), how long until all of our favorite games are labelled as "bad" and banned?

Why is this being banned anyway? What evils will not banning it allow? Will this game create MORE rapists in the same way that _insert shooting game here_ creates more murders, or Punchout! creates more boxers, Madden inspires more children to become pro football players, etc etc?

How many people have fantasized about becoming a bagger at a grocery store because they played a lot of Tetris or Klax growing up? I, for one, never followed through on my fantasy to pilot a spaceship shooting asteroids for no apparent reason in the middle of space.

TonyTheTiger
03-24-2009, 07:51 PM
I was just goofin on your avatar. The thought of Tony the Tiger making social commentary about a hentai rape game makes me laugh. Yea, I'm a little nutty. 'It's RRRape!'

Yeah, I suppose when I get all "seriousness" about stuff the smiling cartoon tiger is just incongruent.


This thread just got 120% more awesome.

ROFL


I'll throw in my hat on this one..

What makes rape different from killing somebody? Let's remove this whole "good" and "evil" because those terms are bulllshit. They merely exist to give us REASON to kill, maim, rape, whatever. It's ok to kill this guy because he is "bad."

I don't think it's fair to compare rape vs. killing. A better comparison would be either sex vs. killing or rape vs. murder. Rape vs. killing is comparing a specific sex crime with a general principle of taking a life when not all killing is murder or even criminal behavior.

RapeLay vs. Manhunt is probably the best comparison. Although Manhunt appears to be much more "real" and "gritty" whereas RapeLay looks a lot more cartoony.


No matter how "bad" RapeLay may be (I didn't play it because I personally find it to be disgusting), how long until all of our favorite games are labelled as "bad" and banned?

Why is this being banned anyway? What evils will not banning it allow? Will this game create MORE rapists in the same way that _insert shooting game here_ creates more murders, or Punchout! creates more boxers, Madden inspires more children to become pro football players, etc etc?

There actually is no real banning going on. A few retail outlets have decided not to sell the product but usually "banning" is reserved to the government stepping in. Child pornography is banned, for example. I don't like people smoking in my car but smoking isn't "banned."

Even if this game were banned, however, I don't think the slippery slope is going to happen. This is a very specific situation.


How many people have fantasized about becoming a bagger at a grocery store because they played a lot of Tetris or Klax growing up? I, for one, never followed through on my fantasy to pilot a spaceship shooting asteroids for no apparent reason in the middle of space.

You didn't follow through? I'm currently looking to advance my education in asteroid shooting theory.

Ed Oscuro
03-24-2009, 08:04 PM
Rape and subway gropings are two very, very different things.

The last thing this topic needs is to turn into another "Japan is so bizarre" or "Japan is so messed up" topic. We shouldn't vilify an entire nation and people over an obscure, creepy PC game. People are acting as if Rapelay is getting the same sales and recognition in Japan as Final Fantasy.
If only Japan's rape reporting rates were in line with other nations. It's likely been underreported (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/02/world/main571280.shtml) for years. If a person is raped, it seems nobody gives a fuck (http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUST17815620070515).

Don't just take it from me (http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=20086&highlight=rape). Gender equality still has a way to go in Japan, but it does seem the situation is improving. Believe whatever suits your sense of justice, I guess.

On the other hand, there was a paper correlating a surge in porno availability with a decrease in rape, here (http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/online_artcls/pornography/prngrphy_rape_jp.html).

TonyTheTiger
03-24-2009, 08:32 PM
I don't know shit about sociology but perhaps the apparent abundance of hentai where rape is either "no big deal" or actually preferable is just a reflection of a general Japanese stigma that rape itself is...I won't say not important...but perhaps not incredibly serious.

Of course we also know that rape games/hentai are not mainstream in the least. So I dunno.

Aussie2B
03-24-2009, 09:55 PM
If only Japan's rape reporting rates were in line with other nations. It's likely been underreported (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/02/world/main571280.shtml) for years. If a person is raped, it seems nobody gives a fuck (http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUST17815620070515).

Don't just take it from me (http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=20086&highlight=rape). Gender equality still has a way to go in Japan, but it does seem the situation is improving. Believe whatever suits your sense of justice, I guess.

On the other hand, there was a paper correlating a surge in porno availability with a decrease in rape, here (http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/online_artcls/pornography/prngrphy_rape_jp.html).

Gender equality has a long way to go in America as well, so what's your point? There's a huge percentage of unreported rape in America too. No matter where you go in the world there's a lot of stigma about rape, and women often feel too ashamed of themselves to tell anybody about what happened. There was a story on my local news just a little while ago about a woman that got beaten and raped on the subway platform here in NYC, despite that she ran up the steps and was screaming at the MTA attendant in the booth to help. The guy just stared at her and did nothing. Well, he pressed a button that summons the police, but everything was long over by the time they came. That's their policy for what to do if something illegal is happening in the station - just stay in the booth. I think it's pretty messed up. The point is, there's really messed up stuff that happens everywhere.

I didn't say one thing or the other about statistics. Just that there's this attitude that people have about Japan that is either "lol Japan" or "wow, Japan is so fucked up". The topic you linked to exemplifies that. I don't care about defending Japan, but people shouldn't encourage ignorance. The reality is that the Japanese are just as boring and ordinary as anybody else.

Berserker
03-24-2009, 10:31 PM
If only Japan's rape reporting rates were in line with other nations. It's likely been underreported (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/02/world/main571280.shtml) for years. If a person is raped, it seems nobody gives a fuck (http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUST17815620070515).

Don't just take it from me (http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=20086&highlight=rape). Gender equality still has a way to go in Japan, but it does seem the situation is improving. Believe whatever suits your sense of justice, I guess.

On the other hand, there was a paper correlating a surge in porno availability with a decrease in rape, here (http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/online_artcls/pornography/prngrphy_rape_jp.html).

:golfclap:

Good post, sir.

Ed Oscuro
03-24-2009, 10:43 PM
I know. Who gives a shit about something relevant, like statistics, when you can be patronizing and accuse the other guy of being ethnocentric at once? What a coup!

Here's a random quote from one of the articles that I may or may not have thought was germane to the discussion (I say that because apparently it's not having the desired impact):

Japan's top government spokesman in 2003 was quoted as telling reporters in an off-the-record briefing that some women were asking to be raped by dressing provocatively -- a remark that outraged many but failed to dent his political clout.
Indeed, the US has its problems - but if, say, Ari Fleischer or Scott McClellan had said such a thing, the door would've hit their ass before they knew they'd turned away from the podium.


I didn't say one thing or the other about statistics. Just that there's this attitude that people have about Japan that is either "lol Japan" or "wow, Japan is so fucked up".

On a lighter note, lol @ Japan.

rather NSFW (description: loli girl painted on back of passenger van w/bits covered by license plate...hope this isn't too overboard; hey, at least I edited out the img tags! -Ed) (http://www.oneinchpunch.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/itashasugoi.jpg)

Thank god for number plates, eh?

hbkprm
03-25-2009, 02:28 PM
don't ban the shit

Aussie2B
03-25-2009, 04:53 PM
I know. Who gives a shit about something relevant, like statistics, when you can be patronizing and accuse the other guy of being ethnocentric at once? What a coup!

Dude, no need to act like I insulted your mother. I was talking about the general attitude that this topic was degrading into, not anything specifically about you. Let's try to keep the discussion intelligent and respectable, rather than having a bunch of people going "Japan is like this" and "Japan is like that" when they really don't know squat about the country and culture. And having the ability to look up a few articles on Google doesn't make any of us experts. I don't like it when foreigners (to me) make sweeping comments about America, so if we ever want the rest of the world to not see us as slack-jawed hillbillies, we can at least follow the golden rule and not cast generalizations on them.

Gameguy
03-25-2009, 05:18 PM
This game looks bad now, but there probably will be even worse games in the future.

RapeLay 2: Bestiality Edition
"Cruise the neighbourhood looking for attractive pets and wildlife that suit your interest, lure them into your home and have your way with them all in detailed 3D. Or take a trip to local farms, zoos, aquariums...."

Heck, something like that could be advertised as educational as lots of information could be given about the different types of animals. LOL

Ed Oscuro
03-25-2009, 06:17 PM
Let's try to keep the discussion intelligent and respectable, rather than having a bunch of people going "Japan is like this" and "Japan is like that" when they really don't know squat about the country and culture.
So it's just a coincidence that your complaint about people going "lol, Japan" crops up when I make a well-supported (if academic) point? And I need to be told to keep the discussion intelligent, which isn't insulting in the least? :monkey:

Sonicwolf
03-25-2009, 11:08 PM
The internet it a tangled web of memes and jokes that are more well believed than the actual facts are.

squirrelnut
03-26-2009, 02:20 AM
I downloaded it and it wont run on my pc :(

TonyTheTiger
03-26-2009, 03:20 PM
LOL

There's a joke or crude comment in there somewhere but I can't think of one right now.

skaar
03-26-2009, 03:45 PM
Japan, lol.

Cryomancer
03-26-2009, 06:53 PM
I downloaded it and it wont run on my pc :(

Probably issues with Japanese language support. Install asian languages from your OS's disc and / or try using Applocale.

Although really, it's not all that fun of a game. Artificial Girl / Sexy Beach are mildly more fun and considerably less rapeful.

tubeway
04-04-2009, 04:21 AM
Thats not the kind of co-op I would prefer. But I guess some people like being the bitch.

Well, I said Two Player Mode. I wouldn't really consider it COOPERATIVE play....

Zap!
12-06-2009, 10:48 PM
What's the point of banning this? It's almost impossible to get anyway. Not on Amazon, New Egg, Craigslist, or anywhere locally.

bombman
12-07-2009, 02:12 AM
What's the point of banning this? It's almost impossible to get anyway. Not on Amazon, New Egg, Craigslist, or anywhere locally.

I got curious as I read this topic and I thought "well I'll just go get it on a japanese web store lol"

...

The game has nearly tripled in price. It's about $250 now, wtf mate?!

Fuyukaze
12-07-2009, 02:23 AM
I got curious as I read this topic and I thought "well I'll just go get it on a japanese web store lol"

...

The game has nearly tripled in price. It's about $250 now, wtf mate?!

Dude, you said "mate" in a rapelay thread.

I'm going to hell for that aint I?
Damn necrophiles and their dead thread re-animation.....

bombman
12-12-2009, 11:22 AM
So according to Wikipedia, some British fag got the game banned from Japanese stores. However cockroach porn and shiteating fetishes are still in full swing XFD

LaughingMAN.S9
12-12-2009, 01:50 PM
i say leave that bullshit alone, is it retarded? yes? is it depraved? yes? is it art? probably not, but some wierd ass assholes would probably call it that, who the fuck am i to judge, at the end of the day its a video game, granted, a really shitty video game, but still a video game, it shouldnt be banned, fuck censorship, whoever wants to play it, play it, for those that find it offensive, dont.


THE END.

TRM
12-12-2009, 02:08 PM
People are horrified by this, but barely blink an eye at the hundreds of games where you gibb humans into gooey little bits.

I know the argument goes that rape is "psychologically fucked up" etc. etc. and that getting off it on is, well wrong, but I always thought killing people was worse. One life and all that shit.


Wow, can't believe I saw the post on this game until the bump now. Hm, yeah, that is messed up.

To comment on the quote above, I always find it ridiculous as well that people don't bat an eye at killing others in games, yet sexual games strike controversy (okay I understand about rape, but other sorts of acts?) However, yesterday I overheard a conversation which fits nicely into this post. I heard a girl saying how she was raped at some point in her life, and how now her brother had been robbed at gun point. She said that he was being a panzy about the whole thing, and that she would rather be robbed at gunpoint a 1000 times, with the risk of getting shot or killed, than be raped again.

Ed Oscuro
12-12-2009, 02:34 PM
Who goes into stores for these games anyway? It's all about Comic Market and DLSite, yo.

jonnyutah
12-16-2009, 02:26 AM
japanese sex culture really is the cultue shock part of the culture shock that westerners feel in japan. just look at some jp porn. not my thing but most of the women cry or act like they have been completely taken advantage of. i guess the japaense look at it as softrape or whatever but it's weird and wrong. women are opressed in japan. not in the sense that the islamic world opress women but it's still opression.

i have a friend in japan that worked for a company and she would tell me that she would have to go out with older co workers for drinks and even with her boss. she didn't like it at all. so i said just don't go if you don't want to. she said i have to. it's the japanese way. I must.

i think japan is a nice country but western individualism is so foreign to the japanese. japan is a great country. but once you live there you realize how awsome and culturaly free the west is. (us. eu, canada, aust, israel) i think the easiest japanese to form a solid honest friendship with are the ones hat have lived/studied in the west.

Zap!
12-16-2009, 04:19 AM
Anyone got a link for this to purchase online? I'd love to see how insane the prices have become.

Graham Mitchell
12-16-2009, 11:23 AM
Anyone got a link for this to purchase online? I'd love to see how insane the prices have become.

Uh-huh, suuuuuure. Lol

Doing a little christmas shopping for yourself?

jonnyutah
12-16-2009, 11:33 AM
lol i'm sure it's for his "friend" :D

bombman
12-16-2009, 02:49 PM
I finally got around to playing this btw, it's a huge chore unlocking everything and the unlockables are just the photo stills from the game you've already seen. Whoever it was said it was "interactive porn" was right on target.

Also the extra disc has some messed up shit. Picture (NSFW): http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/2479/botuplay.png

SplashChick
12-16-2009, 07:30 PM
I finally got around to playing this btw, it's a huge chore unlocking everything and the unlockables are just the photo stills from the game you've already seen. Whoever it was said it was "interactive porn" was right on target.

Also the extra disc has some messed up shit. Picture (NSFW): http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/2479/botuplay.png

Lol wow, the graphics look horrible.

On topic, I'm absolutely against censorship like this. I think it's just downright wrong to start putting that shit into law. Nobody should be allowed to regulate what I draw or what kind of media I look at.

This isn't even remotely new, either. There's hundreds of these kinds of games in Japan already, politicians are just using this to gain a political advantage, just like they used to with violent games in the past. Just like before, people are buying into it, it seems.

@TRM: That comparison would only work if her brother was killed.

TonyTheTiger
12-16-2009, 08:04 PM
Lol wow, the graphics look horrible.

Isn't that the most ironic part? That the games designed specifically to be sexually arousing often have the least convincing visuals? Seriously, I'd find it easier to do the deed while looking at Final Fantasy than the average porn game.

XYXZYZ
12-17-2009, 10:37 AM
Isn't that the most ironic part? That the games designed specifically to be sexually arousing often have the least convincing visuals? Seriously, I'd find it easier to do the deed while looking at Final Fantasy than the average porn game.

All it takes is imagination!
http://anthonylarme.tripod.com/gc/custerscreen.jpg

ScourDX
12-17-2009, 11:26 AM
I heard of this game in 2006. I am surprise this game took so long for the N. American to take notice. There are a lot of sick porn game in Japan long before Rapelay. There is another by the same developer called Biko. This game allows you to stalk women and then rape them as you wish.

bombman
12-17-2009, 02:06 PM
It's not as fun unless they ban it though.

Raedon
12-17-2009, 05:31 PM
http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/epic-fail-business-name-2-fail.jpg

Ed Oscuro
12-17-2009, 06:24 PM
Isn't that the most ironic part? That the games designed specifically to be sexually arousing often have the least convincing visuals?
RapeLay isn't indicative of the quality of your average H-game (as far as I can tell). From the descriptions the mechanics are pretty much the same as others, but this one is just a piece of junk all around (moreso than usual). This one does look pretty bad...I've not seen bathroom tile that unappealing since a Quake II engine shooter :D

Ahh, defending H-games.

Ahh, rape. :p

Zap!
03-30-2010, 08:51 PM
Back on CNN again!

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/03/30/japan.video.game.rape/

Therealqtip
03-30-2010, 09:53 PM
There are many games like this in Japan. Maybe not this graphic

Graham Mitchell
03-30-2010, 09:54 PM
Back on CNN again!

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/03/30/japan.video.game.rape/

Everybody would just forget about this shit if the pervert media would just leave it alone.

My favorite part:
Reporter: "Did you as a woman feel offended when you played this game?"
Female Gamer: "No."

'Nuff said.

Cryomancer
03-30-2010, 10:05 PM
If the media would have never brought it up it would have already been long forgotten. By the time they talked about it the first time, the game was already a year or two old and people had moved on to pirating the next hgame of the season.

These articles only make more people play it.

edit: i probably already said this exact same thing in this very thread in fact.

Kitsune Sniper
03-30-2010, 10:37 PM
Benzaie from That Guy With The Glasses just started a new review segment called ... ugh, GameFAP, which deals with Japanese erotic games, and he said he would post a review of the game next week...

Mimi Nakamura
03-31-2010, 09:49 AM
Seems like this game is more well-known in America than Japan!

I'd never heard of such a game until reading this thread. I wouldn't say no if someone offered me the chance to play it...

WanganRunner
03-31-2010, 10:32 AM
Since when is rape hentai, even in game form, newsworthy in Japan?

It's not like this is some new phenomenon.

TonyTheTiger
03-31-2010, 10:39 AM
The media does offer perverse incentives to people looking to make a buck through infamy. I'm sure RapeLay wasn't actively looking to cause a stir and just happened to be "that game" people noticed at random but this kind of thing happens every so often. Not too long ago there was some media reaction to a game depicting the Kennedy assassination. I'm sure that negative media attention helped the product. That trend might serve to inspire people to actively pursue media attention.

I'm sure if we put our heads together to come up with a game that was as offensive as it could be by being grotesquely racist and allowing the player to engage in sadistic violence and sexual deviance, we'd get on CNN too. I personally wouldn't want my name associated with a product like that but for people who don't mind then the infamy angle can be a profitable one, more than obscurity at least.

Mimi Nakamura
03-31-2010, 10:40 AM
Since when is rape hentai, even in game form, newsworthy in Japan?

It's not like this is some new phenomenon.

It's as much a part of Japanese culture as walking into a school and shooting as many people as possible is part of American culture, if that's what you're getting at.

Mimi Nakamura
03-31-2010, 11:22 AM
japanese sex culture really is the cultue shock part of the culture shock that westerners feel in japan. just look at some jp porn. not my thing but most of the women cry or act like they have been completely taken advantage of. i guess the japaense look at it as softrape or whatever but it's weird and wrong. women are opressed in japan. not in the sense that the islamic world opress women but it's still opression.

i have a friend in japan that worked for a company and she would tell me that she would have to go out with older co workers for drinks and even with her boss. she didn't like it at all. so i said just don't go if you don't want to. she said i have to. it's the japanese way. I must.

i think japan is a nice country but western individualism is so foreign to the japanese. japan is a great country. but once you live there you realize how awsome and culturaly free the west is. (us. eu, canada, aust, israel) i think the easiest japanese to form a solid honest friendship with are the ones hat have lived/studied in the west.

Women are oppressed in Japan? WHAT? If you knew anything, you'd know it's the men who are oppressed!

As for your friend in the company, the same goes for men too, they have to drink with the boss as well. If they sell their soul and work for a corporate company that is.

Does it not occur to you that different countries have different cultures? Just because things are done differently in another country to your own, doesn't make the other country worse.

I like how you made the uneducated reference to women being oppressed in the "Islamic world" too and then claimed that Israel is in the West. Genius.

Cryomancer
03-31-2010, 12:52 PM
I'm sure if we put our heads together to come up with a game that was as offensive as it could be by being grotesquely racist and allowing the player to engage in sadistic violence and sexual deviance, we'd get on CNN too. I personally wouldn't want my name associated with a product like that but for people who don't mind then the infamy angle can be a profitable one, more than obscurity at least.

There are games like Ethnic Cleansing and stuff, maybe even Postal 2 in the hands of a less kind player, that get into stuff like that. Have those ever been on CNN (several years after it was relevant)?

Kitsune Sniper
03-31-2010, 01:08 PM
It's as much a part of Japanese culture as walking into a school and shooting as many people as possible is part of American culture, if that's what you're getting at.

Rape games in Japan have been around for decades. It's a friggin' GENRE. They publish games and an inordinate amount of manga dedicated to the subject.

What's so damn special about this particular game?

Kid Fenris
03-31-2010, 01:41 PM
oh god this thread

save us richter belmount

Famidrive-16
03-31-2010, 02:44 PM
lol, next year some news outlet is gonna find out about an oldass hentai game like 177

Kitsune Sniper
03-31-2010, 03:20 PM
Nah, they'll talk about COBRA Mission.

mezrabad
03-31-2010, 04:03 PM
Not trying to make any broad sweeping generalizations about Japan, but I have heard that they're not too hung up over what may "turn someone on". If you've got something that turns you on, then, that's your business. Getting all judgmental about what another person seems to react erotically to doesn't seem like a useful way of spending one's time. If enough people are turned on by it, then there's a market for it and for some of those markets people make games like this.

This doesn't make the people playing such a game "rapists" anymore than people playing a first person shooter are "murderers". It's a game, not a clear window into the soul of a nation's quirks.

JSoup
03-31-2010, 04:30 PM
I guess I'm one of the few people who play hgames for the hilarity.

Not that I found any in RapeLay (which I have not played).

TonyTheTiger
03-31-2010, 06:05 PM
There are games like Ethnic Cleansing and stuff, maybe even Postal 2 in the hands of a less kind player, that get into stuff like that. Have those ever been on CNN (several years after it was relevant)?

Ethnic Cleansing was definitely in the news. Whether or not it was several years later is ultimately moot. Just the mere mention of it by the media in an attempt to criticize it brings some measure of success if only because had it not been featured on the news nobody would know about it. I would be asking you what Ethnic Cleansing was had I not remembered hearing about it in the media.

You're right that treading this water again after RapeLay has had it's day already seems suspect. It's possible that the journalists just plain forgot. They caught wind of it from somewhere and didn't realize it was old news.


Rape games in Japan have been around for decades. It's a friggin' GENRE. They publish games and an inordinate amount of manga dedicated to the subject.

What's so damn special about this particular game?

Nothing. Just that it was the one game people picked to raise a stink about. I'm not particularly pleased with the genre as a whole and I think a lot of people would agree. But it's kind of like what happens when 40 cars are driving 80mph. A cop is going to pick one of the pack to pull over. In the case of the media, though, the irony is that the one that gets "pulled over" turns out to be the lucky one that becomes famous/infamous when it hasn't done anything especially noteworthy.


If enough people are turned on by it, then there's a market for it.

Might as well say "there's a market for everything."

The 1 2 P
03-31-2010, 07:08 PM
With as much press as this game gets(here anyway) I'm surprised there isn't a Rapelay 2. There might be but I won't hear about it until someone makes another thread for it.

mezrabad
03-31-2010, 07:24 PM
What you said I said:

If enough people are turned on by it, then there's a market for it.

What you said:


Might as well say "there's a market for everything."

If you're making a point with that, then I don't understand it. I expressed that there is only a market if there are people interested in something, and you're saying that the statement "there's a market for everything" is an equivalent statement?

I don't know if you're disagreeing with me or if you think what I said is so obvious that I needn't have said it. I'm not saying there's a market for everything. I'm saying that there has to be enough interested parties for there to be a market to cover the expense of producing what that market demands.

Aussie2B
03-31-2010, 08:24 PM
Honestly, I find the two hentai games that Enix published when first starting out to be far more offensive than RapeLay (don't worry, there's only a text description in these links):

http://www.sutorippu.com/lsyndrome.html
http://www.sutorippu.com/marichankiki.html

skaar
03-31-2010, 09:39 PM
This game needs to be on 360. I WANT ACHIEVEMENTS FOR RAPING CHICKS IN A GAME.

TonyTheTiger
03-31-2010, 09:44 PM
What you said I said:

If enough people are turned on by it, then there's a market for it.

What you said:



If you're making a point with that, then I don't understand it. I expressed that there is only a market if there are people interested in something, and you're saying that the statement "there's a market for everything" is an equivalent statement?

I don't know if you're disagreeing with me or if you think what I said is so obvious that I needn't have said it. I'm not saying there's a market for everything. I'm saying that there has to be enough interested parties for there to be a market to cover the expense of producing what that market demands.

It was a joke. I was saying that there would be a market for anything because somebody somewhere is going to be turned on by it.

See: Rule 34

mezrabad
03-31-2010, 11:14 PM
It was a joke. I was saying that there would be a market for anything because somebody somewhere is going to be turned on by it.

See: Rule 34

heheh, sorry, didn't see it coming and it went whizzing over my head. :)

Gameguy
04-01-2010, 01:58 AM
What about games that started out as normal but later turned into hentai? Anyone remember the Valis series? The later games were made as hentai titles. Imagine if it eventually happens to other series as well, maybe even the Sonic series. LOL

Famidrive-16
04-01-2010, 02:16 AM
http://www.sutorippu.com/lsyndrome.html


This is basically 'Night Trap'. Well, with younger girls, but still.

TonyTheTiger
04-01-2010, 02:34 AM
What about games that started out as normal but later turned into hentai? Anyone remember the Valis series? The later games were made as hentai titles. Imagine if it eventually happens to other series as well, maybe even the Sonic series. LOL

If certain folks on the web had any say, Sonic would have gone that way a long time ago. Oh, say, around September 18, 1993. ^^;

Icarus Moonsight
04-01-2010, 02:42 AM
So Sega went hentai when they fucked themselves? Rule 34 is retroactive it seems. Solution: Don't do anything! You don't know who you might arouse. You might even turn on your Wii! LOL

buzz_n64
04-01-2010, 04:09 AM
I'm for free speech, but just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. If someone wants to play this, go ahead, but I don't know if i'll play this myself, I guess for me this is almost to the point where I would almost shake my head to someone playing it.

Graham Mitchell
04-01-2010, 11:41 AM
Honestly, I find the two hentai games that Enix published when first starting out to be far more offensive than RapeLay (don't worry, there's only a text description in these links):

http://www.sutorippu.com/lsyndrome.html
http://www.sutorippu.com/marichankiki.html

You know what, aussie, at the risk of incurring your wrath, I gotta admit that those games look pretty hilarious to me, mostly because of the crappy (I'm assuming msx?) Graphics. I kind of doubt anybodys gonna be sexually aroused by those images. If it were photorealistic with modern-caliber graphics, I might feel different.

Actually, no. Id still think it was funny.

I also find such ridiculous violence towards men humorous as well (which is why I love zombie flicks) so I think its fair to say that this isn't me just being a misogynist.

Aussie2B
04-01-2010, 01:15 PM
No worries about incurring wrath. :P I agree that looking at very old porn games these days is pretty funny just because of how primitive the graphics are. Intent is timeless, though, so no matter how old a game gets its subject matter and purpose can still be offensive. A game about sexualizing little girls and torturing/killing them in bloody, gruesome ways is pretty damn nasty, especially from a publisher that is pretty respected these days. I wouldn't take it to extremes and boycott Enix or anything, but, man, what a sordid way for them to start.

skaar
04-01-2010, 02:06 PM
I think the number of banned users who've already posted in this thread should be reason enough to lock it and throw away the key.

GarrettCRW
04-01-2010, 02:32 PM
The number is only half of what it should be, skaar.

Graham Mitchell
04-01-2010, 03:00 PM
I dunno, I think some of us are having a reasonable, insightful conversation here. Ban the wieners for poor behavior, but don't lock the thread. That's censorship! ;)

TonyTheTiger
04-01-2010, 03:08 PM
I agree that looking at very old porn games these days is pretty funny just because of how primitive the graphics are.

I keep saying that visuals probably matter more than most people realize. RapeLay genuinely looks bad for a modern game. And not just graphically bad but art design bad, too. The gut reaction for a lot of people upon seeing the screenshots is "lolol, wtf. But whatever." If the game were top of the line Unreal 3 with a certain level of realism then we might be seeing a bit more "uh...that's pretty sick."

ScourDX
04-03-2010, 12:39 PM
Well someone is posting Rapelay for sale on Craigslist. LOL

link (http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/vgm/1673817994.html)

Icarus Moonsight
04-03-2010, 02:35 PM
Odds that someone ends up buying it to either fap to or for their kids?

I'll give 2:3 in favor of the almighty fap.

The 1 2 P
04-03-2010, 08:56 PM
Well someone is posting Rapelay for sale on Craigslist. LOL

link (http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/vgm/1673817994.html)

In one of those scenes he has posted a guy is "raping" three chics at once. Wouldn't they have just kicked him in the balls and ran....after they put their clothes back on, of course. I suppose that is some kind of "fantasy rape" scene where the women getting raped out number their attacker and refuse to try and fight back or get away. Then again, this is a video game we're talking about.

Graham Mitchell
04-04-2010, 05:13 PM
In one of those scenes he has posted a guy is "raping" three chics at once. Wouldn't they have just kicked him in the balls and ran....after they put their clothes back on, of course. I suppose that is some kind of "fantasy rape" scene where the women getting raped out number their attacker and refuse to try and fight back or get away. Then again, this is a video game we're talking about.

When I read about the game a long time ago I guess it was one of those things where the girl resists the rape but then ends up liking it towards the end, which is what the Japan rape porn thing is based on, really--the notion that girls WANT to be raped.

kedawa
04-05-2010, 07:13 PM
They don't want to be raped. They are just so scared of the mighty japanese penis because they think it will destroy them, that the man has to be forceful.

JSoup
04-05-2010, 09:03 PM
They don't want to be raped. They are just so scared of the mighty japanese penis because they think it will destroy them, that the man has to be forceful.

If I understand stereotypes correctly, an American penis must be something very much like Superboy Prime to them.

Mimi Nakamura
04-05-2010, 09:33 PM
If I understand stereotypes correctly, an American penis must be something very much like Superboy Prime to them.

I thought White guys had small dicks though?

TonyTheTiger
04-05-2010, 10:04 PM
If that's true then I must be an albino African American.

JSoup
04-05-2010, 11:08 PM
I thought White guys had small dicks though?

Bigger than Asians.

TheDomesticInstitution
04-05-2010, 11:13 PM
I thought White guys had small dicks though?

We get it, you hate white people.

Mimi Nakamura
04-06-2010, 04:14 AM
Bigger than Asians.

How do you know? Do you hang out with your Asian friends and compare penis sizes? Strange behaviour.

It's just a stereotype in Japan that White guys have small dicks. I'm not sure of how much truth is in it, I'm sure it's the same for any race, some people are small, some are big, most are in the middle. Not that anyone cares besides other men anyway.

Mimi Nakamura
04-06-2010, 04:17 AM
We get it, you hate white people.

Yeah, I hate my own mother.

I don't hate any race or nationality. Actually, that's kind of a lie, I do have a very slight dislike for Americans, but apart from Americans themselves, everyone has a slight dislike for Americans!

Cryomancer
04-06-2010, 06:42 AM
Hey now, we Americans are perfectly capable of hating each other.

Icarus Moonsight
04-06-2010, 11:32 AM
This thread is full of love, whether she wants it or not. :whip:

TheDomesticInstitution
04-06-2010, 12:56 PM
I mean she was asking for it. Did you see what she was wearing?

JSoup
04-06-2010, 05:16 PM
How do you know? Do you hang out with your Asian friends and compare penis sizes? Strange behaviour.

It's just a stereotype in Japan that White guys have small dicks. I'm not sure of how much truth is in it, I'm sure it's the same for any race, some people are small, some are big, most are in the middle. Not that anyone cares besides other men anyway.

It's adorable how you skip over the obvious fact that we are poking fun at stereotypes, then jump on the fact like you actual have a point.

E Nice
04-06-2010, 07:19 PM
In one of those scenes he has posted a guy is "raping" three chics at once. Wouldn't they have just kicked him in the balls and ran....after they put their clothes back on, of course. I suppose that is some kind of "fantasy rape" scene where the women getting raped out number their attacker and refuse to try and fight back or get away. Then again, this is a video game we're talking about.

I remember a story about such a situation but it was a grown man who kidnapped two teenage girls. They did at one point attempt to attack him when he fell asleep...and I don't recall if they were successful or not after that. Luckily they weren't killed and survived the whole ordeal.

Mimi Nakamura
04-07-2010, 10:57 AM
It's adorable how you skip over the obvious fact that we are poking fun at stereotypes, then jump on the fact like you actual have a point.

I skipped over it? Really? Did I?

ScourDX
04-07-2010, 11:24 AM
I can see Hentai porn slowly coming to State side. Look at few of the games soon to be released by Aksys games Record of Agarest War & Deathsmiles. There are market for this sort of things and believe it or not. After the news announce Rapelay on CNN, torrent site are fill with request for download. So yes it is big.

TonyTheTiger
04-07-2010, 01:05 PM
I don't think there's anything specific about the rape genre that makes it attractive to the general marketplace. Even in Japan these things are pretty niche. That's why most of them are low budget. In North America you'd be talking niche of a niche of a niche. RapeLay is big only because of the "Well now I HAVE to see it" factor. When CNN is telling you how bad something is that's going to have the same effect as telling a 4 year old not to push the red button.

Cryomancer
04-07-2010, 03:02 PM
There is definately a market for large chunks of the Japanese doujin work / PC software business, both the adult stuff and not. Tons and tons of non-Japanese people download the manga / games released at comiket and stuff. Touhou games are pretty popular on the English-speaking internet for an example. There are blog websites that manage to make cash by charging for hentai doujinshi translations. DLsite has an English page that presumably gets enough cashflow to justify it's existance. Clearly, there is an interest of a certain level for products of that "world". Illusion's games are massively downloaded and hacked and whatnot too. Maybe they wouldn't be so well know here if it wasn't for the piracy and also the media uproar about Rapelay specifically, but they are indeed known.

I don't really know where I'm going with this but as I started writing it more examples came to mind so I just kept rolling with it. tl;dr there is totally a market for Japanese content in America.

TonyTheTiger
04-07-2010, 04:04 PM
If you want to say there's a market somewhere for something then I'd agree in the vaguest sense. But I'm not sure there's much of a correlation between these things being pirated or exchanged among like-minded people and how well they'd perform on the mainstream market. Shit, everything is pirated to hell these days.

Quirky Japanese stuff is still quirky Japanese stuff. Rosenqueen still can't sell a mere 2,000 copies of Mana Khemia 2's special edition and that's been sitting on the website for months. Add rape or lolicon to the mix and you raise the squick factor which lowers mass market appeal. If somebody put out RapeMaster Fantasy 20X6 on a GameStop shelf (assuming for a moment GS would allow it) it probably won't sell through more than 10,000 copies which I think is roughly the minimum print run for current gen games. I wouldn't necessarily call that "successful." I'd call it what it is. Very, very niche. It wouldn't be until CNN picks up on the story and everybody rants and raves about the game that people think "Holy shit, I have to see what this ruckus is about."

JSoup
04-07-2010, 07:13 PM
I skipped over it? Really? Did I?

Yes.

And your current strategy isn't going to work either.

Berserker
04-08-2010, 12:31 AM
Yes.

And your current strategy isn't going to work either.

As long as you keep reacting to her outlandish remarks and paying attention to her, the strategy is working.

JSoup
04-08-2010, 01:20 AM
As long as you keep reacting to her outlandish remarks and paying attention to her, the strategy is working.

Maybe, I know this is crazy, but just maybe, that's the point. You've gotta realize, we are having a serious discussion here, not just flippantly having fun in a thread that has long outlived it's purpose.

Never that. Always serious. Always.

Mimi Nakamura
04-08-2010, 04:15 AM
As long as you keep reacting to her outlandish remarks and paying attention to her, the strategy is working.

You just completely destroyed the thread.

Berserker
04-08-2010, 04:38 AM
You just completely destroyed the thread.

I highly doubt that. But if I've destroyed your motivation for posting here, please allow me to use this image to express my deep, heartfelt level of regret:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/natev/high_five.jpg

Mimi Nakamura
04-08-2010, 04:44 AM
Yawn.

E Nice
04-08-2010, 07:17 PM
I can see Hentai porn slowly coming to State side. Look at few of the games soon to be released by Aksys games Record of Agarest War & Deathsmiles. There are market for this sort of things and believe it or not.

I kinda get Record of Agarest War, though I kinda wonder why Guilty Gear wasn't mentioned, I-No anyone? But Deathsmiles? I've seen the dual endings for each character but outside of one simple bath scene I don't see how the game could be lumped in as a stepping stone for hentai porn. Duke Nukem 3D and The Saboteur are perhaps more blatant than any of those titles.


Illusion's games are massively downloaded and hacked and whatnot too. Maybe they wouldn't be so well know here if it wasn't for the piracy and also the media uproar about Rapelay specifically, but they are indeed known.

I would guess they're hacked because Illusion began programming their PC games to not work outside Japanese computer operating systems. Who knows what their reason is for that. Though you have to admit some of the 3D games they've produced do look pretty. How they play might be a different matter.

Cryomancer
04-08-2010, 09:04 PM
Well, the most obvious hacks that get done for hgames are uncensor hacks, due to the whole "must pixelate the crotch" rules. The Japanese mode stuff doesn't help either, yeah.

somesortofrobot
04-08-2010, 09:28 PM
I'm not in favor of government bans or anything of that sort but I do think that some games are just creatively irresponsible.

Second.

HappehLemons
04-08-2010, 09:30 PM
What a silly game everyone knows asian girls have tiny boobs and no ass. This anime stuff is so stupid they always try so hard to make their asian girls look attractive and fail miserably.

TonyTheTiger
04-08-2010, 10:38 PM
What a silly game everyone knows asian girls have tiny boobs and no ass. This anime stuff is so stupid they always try so hard to make their asian girls look attractive and fail miserably.

You're saying Asian girls are ugly?

Dude...

Epic Fail.

ClassicGameTrader
04-10-2010, 02:28 AM
I have always thought Asian chicks are at the bottom of the list of races as far as looks go. The percentage of hot ones compared to overall population has to be like .0000125%. No offense to anyone, but they are few and far between.


You're saying Asian girls are ugly?

Dude...

Epic Fail.

k8track
04-11-2010, 09:01 AM
I have always thought Asian chicks are at the bottom of the list of races as far as looks go. The percentage of hot ones compared to overall population has to be like .0000125%. No offense to anyone, but they are few and far between.
No offense to anyone? I'd say you managed to offend tons of people. Asian women are at the TOP of the list, and you are blind.

Epic, epic, EPIC fail.

Aussie2B
04-11-2010, 01:18 PM
Wow, this topic has sunk to a new low.

You know, guys, yellow fever is just as pathetic as those who would rule out all Asian women. Instead of spouting negative generalizations or putting one race up on a pedestal in some fetish, how about, you know, just appreciating an attractive woman when you see one, regardless of race?

HappehLemons
04-11-2010, 01:57 PM
Everyone has different taste in women you know. Most people have a preference in race when looking for a significant other and there's nothing wrong with that. People can appreciate beauty without someone telling them who's pretty and who's not since it's well.. what helps make us all individual.

k8track
04-11-2010, 07:05 PM
Wow, this topic has sunk to a new low.

You know, guys, yellow fever is just as pathetic as those who would rule out all Asian women... putting one race up on a pedestal in some fetish
And thank you for that warm fuzzy, Aussie2B. Just for the record, my fiancée is Japanese, and I have a rather negative reaction when I see an extremely rude and foolish comment such as the one I responded to. If you think that makes me a pathetic person with a "fetish", then fine, I am the most pathetic person ever. Thanks again. /golf clap

Aussie2B
04-11-2010, 07:35 PM
I can understand the offense taken over such comments, but it doesn't help to swing to the opposite extreme. To say that Asian women are "at the top of the list" is offensive to non-Asian women and does make you appear to have some fetish, whether you do or not, and while everyone is entitled to their preferences, saying that someone is "blind" if they don't agree with your preferences means you're stating your preference as fact, which is rude to those who have different preferences and, again, rude to women who aren't the "factually" superior race in terms of appearance.

So, again I say everyone would be better off looking at individuals rather than propping up or putting down an entire race.

Baloo
04-11-2010, 07:52 PM
Wow, this topic has sunk to a new low.

You know, guys, yellow fever is just as pathetic as those who would rule out all Asian women. Instead of spouting negative generalizations or putting one race up on a pedestal in some fetish, how about, you know, just appreciating an attractive woman when you see one, regardless of race?

This right here. The Asian fetish is ridiculous IMO. k8track, your opinion is biased anyway due to your fiancee being Japanese.

c0ldb33r
04-11-2010, 08:02 PM
At one point I had a thing for Asian chicks, but now don't really care.

BTW, this thread should probably be locked, it's totally off-topic now.

k8track
04-11-2010, 08:13 PM
This right here. The Asian fetish is ridiculous IMO. k8track, your opinion is biased anyway due to your fiancee being Japanese.
No kidding, I'm totally biased. Of course, when I made mention of being at the top of the list, I was really thinking of her (when it comes to my fiancée, I really do put her on a pedestal). I don't really think one entire race is more beautiful or superior to another entire race, but I do think you're being willfully blind (and rude) if you assert that "Asian chicks are at the bottom of the list of races as far as looks go".

I can concede that my initial response was hyperbolic and reactionary, but the cumulative effect of the cluelessness and ignorance of CGT's post, and the subsequent (typically) abrasive response from Aussie2B asserting that I am a "pathetic" person with a "fetish" and "yellow fever" has left me really quite ruffled.

JSoup
04-11-2010, 10:57 PM
I can concede that my initial response was hyperbolic and reactionary, but the cumulative effect of the cluelessness and ignorance of CGT's post, and the subsequent (typically) abrasive response from Aussie2B asserting that I am a "pathetic" person with a "fetish" and "yellow fever" has left me really quite ruffled.

Isn't a fetish for Japanese women called being a 'rice king'? Cause I always thought 'yellow fever' was associated with an interest in Chinese women.

k8track
04-11-2010, 11:22 PM
Isn't a fetish for Japanese women called being a 'rice king'? Cause I always thought 'yellow fever' was associated with an interest in Chinese women.
I'm more of a Rice Viscount, I think.

Mimi Nakamura
04-12-2010, 01:06 AM
I have always thought Asian chicks are at the bottom of the list of races as far as looks go. The percentage of hot ones compared to overall population has to be like .0000125%. No offense to anyone, but they are few and far between.

Yeah, you wouldn't believe how ugly I am. I can barely look at myself in the mirror. It's such a shame that I'm Japanese, as it has given me next to no hope of being good-looking.

JSoup
04-12-2010, 02:36 AM
Yeah, you wouldn't believe how ugly I am. I can barely look at myself in the mirror. It's such a shame that I'm Japanese, as it has given me next to no hope of being good-looking.

Plus, as previously established, your men have small penises. Your race just can't get a break.

ScourDX
04-12-2010, 03:08 AM
Yeah, you wouldn't believe how ugly I am. I can barely look at myself in the mirror. It's such a shame that I'm Japanese, as it has given me next to no hope of being good-looking.

Yet you post your own fetish hand. :-P

Mimi Nakamura
04-12-2010, 04:51 AM
Yet you post your own fetish hand. :-P

I don't get it. What is a "fetish hand". Please remember English is not my mother tongue. I understand the words "fetish" and "hand" but this makes no sense to me. I'm not being sarcastic this time.

ScourDX
04-12-2010, 09:21 AM
I don't get it. What is a "fetish hand". Please remember English is not my mother tongue. I understand the words "fetish" and "hand" but this makes no sense to me. I'm not being sarcastic this time.

I guess you don't remember this (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136362&page=2) post. ;)

Mimi Nakamura
04-12-2010, 09:45 AM
I guess you don't remember this (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136362&page=2) post. ;)

It's a hand. Just a hand. Calm down, breathe deeply. Relax.

If a hand gets you that excited, I'd hate to think what would happen if you ever came into contact with a body.

ScourDX
04-12-2010, 01:53 PM
It's a hand. Just a hand. Calm down, breathe deeply. Relax.

If a hand gets you that excited, I'd hate to think what would happen if you ever came into contact with a body.

I am being sarcastic. Generally speaking people get turned on by many different things. Sometimes weird things. I am not surprise Japanese culture will try to explore their own ways to express their sexual fantasy. Even Japanese are turn on by nun. What is with that?

link (http://kotaku.com/5513209/whats-with-the-nuns-japan)

Famidrive-16
04-12-2010, 02:10 PM
nun fetish has been around forever, i don't know how it became a "lol japan!1" thing all of a sudden

edit: after reading that thread about the hand i find it comforting that some of digitpress is way more pathetic than i am

Aussie2B
04-12-2010, 03:03 PM
the subsequent (typically) abrasive response from Aussie2B asserting that I am a "pathetic" person with a "fetish" and "yellow fever" has left me really quite ruffled.

Typical? I've been abrasive to you before? I've always thought I'm quite mellow around here, avoiding the majority of heated topics and trying to not be instigative that often since I'm more interested in just enjoying the good vibes of learning and sharing game knowledge. I honestly wasn't trying to single out any particular person to make accusations of him being pathetic or having a fetish for Asian women. When I wrote about about the topic sinking to a new low, I meant from the point at which HappehLemons started making negative generalizations about all Asian women, and I didn't want to see it swing in either direction (bashing all Asian women or talk of Asian women being more attractive than all other races). I guess you could say I was trying to be more preemptive in terms of the direction of the conversation than attempting to chastise those that had already posted.

TheDomesticInstitution
04-12-2010, 10:11 PM
I was always under the impression that Yellow Fever was a viral infection transmitted by mosquitoes, that primarily occurs in Africa (and never Asia). Hmm... I guess I need to read up on my infectious diseases.

Baloo
04-13-2010, 03:53 PM
I was always under the impression that Yellow Fever was a viral infection transmitted by mosquitoes, that primarily occurs in Africa (and never Asia). Hmm... I guess I need to read up on my infectious diseases.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yellow%20fever

boatofcar
04-13-2010, 04:35 PM
Wow, this topic has sunk to a new low.

You know, guys, yellow fever is just as pathetic as those who would rule out all Asian women.

No. No, it's not. Being physically attracted to a person based on physical features determined by race is not pathetic. Ruling out said specific class of women is.

Why is it always Western girls that have such a problem with "yellow fever?" Oh, I know.

Zap!
04-13-2010, 06:29 PM
In my opinion, whatever your attracted to or not attracted to perfectly ok. If you are attracted to Asian woman, women with blue eyes, very thin women, etc., that is fine. Likewise, if you are not attracted to these types of women, that is also fine. You can't help who you are or aren't attracted to.

Baloo
04-13-2010, 07:24 PM
In my opinion, whatever your attracted to or not attracted to perfectly ok. If you are attracted to Asian woman, women with blue eyes, very thin women, etc., that is fine. Likewise, if you are not attracted to these types of women, that is also fine. You can't help who you are or aren't attracted to.

Yeah, but that doesn't really give you the right to say things like:

"Oh you don't like X type of women? You must be fucking crazy!"

OR

"Oh, you like X type of women? You must be fucking crazy!"

Because really, it's all a matter of opinion as you said. And to rank one type of women over the other because of YOUR personal preference may as well be considered racism.

kedawa
04-13-2010, 07:55 PM
I only like left-handed lesbian eskimo albinos.

Zap!
04-13-2010, 08:09 PM
Yeah, but that doesn't really give you the right to say things like:

"Oh you don't like X type of women? You must be fucking crazy!"

OR

"Oh, you like X type of women? You must be fucking crazy!"

Because really, it's all a matter of opinion as you said. And to rank one type of women over the other because of YOUR personal preference may as well be considered racism.

I would call it racism only if you put others down for their preference, or if it bothers you to see one race/nationality with another.

However, if you happen to think Brazilian women are better looking than other women, I would be ok with at, as it's your attraction. However, if you are bothered by someone else who is Irish dating a Brazilian woman, then that's not ok. Just my .02.

JSoup
04-13-2010, 09:03 PM
I only like left-handed lesbian eskimo albinos.

You too!?

k8track
04-13-2010, 09:06 PM
Yeah, but that doesn't really give you the right to say things like:

"Oh you don't like X type of women? You must be fucking crazy!"
Again, just to clarify my own personal position, in my haste and zeal to counter the negative sentiment of the post I was responding to, I overstated my opinion. It was meant more in the spirit of, "Hey, Asian women are awesome, don't be rude." Having a Japanese fiancée and living here in Korea has admittedly made me a bit more Asian-centric, but of course nowhere near the point of totally disregarding all other ethnicities.

And in the spirit of getting the original topic back on track, I am announcing that I will soon begin work on a text version of RapeLay for TI Basic, available on cassette.

Famidrive-16
04-14-2010, 02:43 AM
Rapelay - Genesis repro cart - R8

mastamuzz
04-14-2010, 04:45 AM
Back to the topic of the rape game, cause reading the last 2 pages was soooo boring and offensive more than the rape game itself! racist people here after all!

I like violent games!
why? because I am violent!
yes I am! I don't go around looking for trouble but I know I am violent and I try to step away of anything that can lead me into a violent situation, and in some way playing violent games ease my violent behavior in a way is like getting your doze of violence a day, it is like an inverse therapy in a way of speaking.

maybe for those inclined to the sexual needs this games ease their needs! who knows maybe!!

and again with the stereo types some guys in the thread said that there is a line and some of you really crossed that line this time with your racism! American people tend to see others the way they like or think it is like the Mexican gardener or illegal worker, the taxi driver (7/11 attendant) Hindu, the dry cleaner Chinese and so on but you can't get a blow cause you get mad!

you generalize on a whole nation because of your narrow view! and stupidly answer is just a joke!!

boatofcar
04-14-2010, 02:29 PM
Back to the topic of the rape game, cause reading the last 2 pages was soooo boring and offensive more than the rape game itself! racist people here after all!

I like violent games!
why? because I am violent!
yes I am! I don't go around looking for trouble but I know I am violent and I try to step away of anything that can lead me into a violent situation, and in some way playing violent games ease my violent behavior in a way is like getting your doze of violence a day, it is like an inverse therapy in a way of speaking.

maybe for those inclined to the sexual needs this games ease their needs! who knows maybe!!

and again with the stereo types some guys in the thread said that there is a line and some of you really crossed that line this time with your racism! American people tend to see others the way they like or think it is like the Mexican gardener or illegal worker, the taxi driver (7/11 attendant) Hindu, the dry cleaner Chinese and so on but you can't get a blow cause you get mad!

you generalize on a whole nation because of your narrow view! and stupidly answer is just a joke!!

What is amazing to me is you edited that for clarity and it still appears as it is.

Aussie2B
04-14-2010, 04:40 PM
Why is it always Western girls that have such a problem with "yellow fever?" Oh, I know.

Just for the record, I'd feel exactly the same about, say, black guys who only go after white women, or white women that only go after black guys. It's not like it's an "only if I'm not excluded" kind of deal. Like I said, I think everyone is entitled to their preferences, but when they state their preferences as fact and start going on about one particular race being physically superior, it gets annoying, if not offensive. I mean, heck, I have my own preferences. I'm usually most interested in Italian or Greek guys, but I know that everybody appreciates different qualities so I'd never present my preferences as fact or fail to realize that all races are equal in terms of attractiveness, even if some attractive individuals may not do much for me personally.

And maybe it's just me, but when a preference gets elevated to a fetish, whether for race, feet, or anything else, I think that's pretty dumb, but whatever floats people's boats, as long as it's legal and healthy. I just don't get that stuff considering I have no fetishes myself.

The 1 2 P
04-14-2010, 05:09 PM
Based on all this free press the makers of Rapelay should make a mainstream sequel. And if the game is going to go mainstream they might as well release it as a Wii exclusive. I can hear it now: "Now coming exclusively to the Wii: Wii Rape. Because it's not about you raping or me raping. It's about Wii raping". It would probably fly in Japan.

SegaAges
04-14-2010, 05:37 PM
Now what is this about a fetish hand?

I think I have a fetish hand as well. Oh man does it do some sick and twisted things.

JSoup
04-14-2010, 05:52 PM
I just don't get that stuff considering I have no fetishes myself.

That's psychologically impossible.

Zap!
04-14-2010, 06:30 PM
That's psychologically impossible.

Doesn't a fetish has to be considered something uncommon? For example, I don't believe liking big boobs would be considered a fetish. However, being obsessed with feet would be.

JSoup
04-14-2010, 06:35 PM
Doesn't a fetish has to be considered something uncommon? For example, I don't believe liking big boobs would be considered a fetish. However, being obsessed with feet would be.

It being uncommon is a bit of a misnomer, as it's only the strange things you hear about. A sexual fetish can be to anything, even if it's just a fetish for sex in of itself.

Also, I'd hardly consider feet to be an uncommon fetish, as it's the single most common fetish in men.

Cryomancer
04-14-2010, 06:46 PM
Sexualizing breasts is a fetish too, it pretty much doesn't exist in "topless" cultures such as tribal people etc.

Icarus Moonsight
04-15-2010, 02:14 AM
All your fetish are belong to us

Except feet... You can keep that one. Duality of the issue, fetish/revulsion.

HappehLemons
04-15-2010, 03:03 AM
Doesn't a fetish has to be considered something uncommon? For example, I don't believe liking big boobs would be considered a fetish. However, being obsessed with feet would be.

I agree. A fetish definitely almost always refers to something uncommon despite what the technical definition is.



It being uncommon is a bit of a misnomer, as it's only the strange things you hear about. A sexual fetish can be to anything, even if it's just a fetish for sex in of itself.

Also, I'd hardly consider feet to be an uncommon fetish, as it's the single most common fetish in men.

I don't think the constant desire to have sex is a fetish because that would be considered an attraction to genitalia and for something to be a fetish it has to be nongenital.

Icarus Moonsight
04-15-2010, 04:09 AM
Think you are confusing fetish and taboo. There are 'normal' fetishes and taboo ones, but those distinctions are purely cultural in context, specifically cultural norms - within them or outside of them. Personally, I think culture is all bullshit as far as behavior goes.

Mimi Nakamura
04-15-2010, 06:36 AM
I don't think the constant desire to have sex is a fetish because that would be considered an attraction to genitalia and for something to be a fetish it has to be nongenital.

Sex for you is an attraction to genitalia? You've got a lot to learn about sex...

JSoup
04-15-2010, 03:58 PM
Sex for you is an attraction to genitalia? You've got a lot to learn about sex...

Which was my point (although, you could argue that I was speaking more of 'sex addiction' than 'sex fetish'). It's similar to a person who has a rape fetish, it's not about the sex, it's about the action and a few other things.

Zap!
04-16-2010, 12:40 AM
Think you are confusing fetish and taboo. There are 'normal' fetishes and taboo ones, but those distinctions are purely cultural in context, specifically cultural norms - within them or outside of them. Personally, I think culture is all bullshit as far as behavior goes.

Well in that case I have a vagina fetish. :)

Icarus Moonsight
04-16-2010, 08:13 AM
Poon hound is the street form I believe...

http://silentremembrance.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/edward.jpg

DonMarco
04-16-2010, 09:34 AM
Based on all this free press the makers of Rapelay should make a mainstream sequel.
There are more than a few eroge properties that toned down their content and went mainstream. Kanon is one I can think of that went on to have a rather tame anime OVA, manga and cds.

Air, BALDR Force, Comic Party, Fate/stay Night, Nanatsuiro Drops, Popotan, Raimuiro Senkitan, To Heart, Tsukihime, Triangle Heart (Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha), Utawarerumono...

I'm thinking a RapeLay anime would be pretty sweet. About a group of high schoolers being stalked by a mystery guy, which turns out to be a time traveler and gives them magical powers and costumes (with sexy results). Rest of game would revolve around finding magical gem stones (with sexy results) to defeat the anti-magical girls from the future that happen to work at a 24-hour news network (with sexy results).

Aussie2B
04-16-2010, 03:29 PM
I don't know how technically correct it would be, but I've always regarded a fetish by the extent of obsession one has with something. Or, rather, what level of rejection one would have for things that don't meet that interest. Most guys in Western culture like big breasts, but that's just a preference in my book. However, if there's a guy that flat out wouldn't be with a woman with smaller breasts no matter how smokin' hot she is in every other way and no matter how awesome her personality is, then I'd call that a breast fetish, and in my personal opinion it would be foolish. Granted, I don't think it has to be that extreme to be a fetish. I think someone could make rare exceptions and still have a fetish, but it's hard to put into words the exact point in which a preference turns into a fetish.

Heh, I'm glad to see this topic is getting back to some intellectual discussion, even if it's as silly as "what is or isn't a fetish". :P Really, this topic was doomed from the start, haha.

Graham Mitchell
04-16-2010, 03:36 PM
I don't know how technically correct it would be, but I've always regarded a fetish by the extent of obsession one has with something. Or, rather, what level of rejection one would have for things that don't meet that interest. Most guys in Western culture like big breasts, but that's just a preference in my book. However, if there's a guy that flat out wouldn't be with a woman with smaller breasts no matter how smokin' hot she is in every other way and no matter how awesome her personality is, then I'd call that a breast fetish, and in my personal opinion it would be foolish. Granted, I don't think it has to be that extreme to be a fetish. I think someone could make rare exceptions and still have a fetish, but it's hard to put into words the exact point in which a preference turns into a fetish.

Heh, I'm glad to see this topic is getting back to some intellectual discussion, even if it's as silly as "what is or isn't a fetish". :P Really, this topic was doomed from the start, haha.

What the DSM-IV considers a fetish is a sexual attraction/preoccupation with either an inanimate object (ie-women's undergarments) or a part of the human body not generally considered erotic (such as a foot). Sexual arousal can ONLY occur in these people in the presence of or context of this object or body part. So if a person likes feet but likes to fuck in the more conventional sense, that's not a fetish.

A common psych boards question is "What is the most common crime committed by individuals with a diagnosis of fetishism?" The answer is always "theft", because the perverts commonly steal panties and bras off of clothes lines.

Zap!
04-16-2010, 04:33 PM
A common psych boards question is "What is the most common crime committed by individuals with a diagnosis of fetishism?" The answer is always "theft", because the perverts commonly steal panties and bras off of clothes lines.

But wouldn't those with a thong fetish rather steal thongs that are used in a hamper, rather than washed and cleaned? Or am I confusing collectors with sniffers?

TonyTheTiger
04-16-2010, 04:47 PM
This thread just took a hard turn toward weird. And considering it started with a discussion about a rape fantasy game, that's saying a lot.

JSoup
04-16-2010, 08:12 PM
Sexual arousal can ONLY occur in these people in the presence of or context of this object or body part. So if a person likes feet but likes to fuck in the more conventional sense, that's not a fetish.


Interesting, I didn't know that.

As I'd like to read more about this, might I ask for your source?

Mimi Nakamura
04-17-2010, 12:54 AM
A common psych boards question is "What is the most common crime committed by individuals with a diagnosis of fetishism?" The answer is always "theft", because the perverts commonly steal panties and bras off of clothes lines.

This happened to me quite a few times at my old apartment. I resorted to drying my more expensive underwear indoors as it had become quite an expensive inconvenience!

Icarus Moonsight
04-17-2010, 05:03 AM
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/IHateAds/UnderpantsGnomes.png

Graham Mitchell
04-17-2010, 11:33 AM
Interesting, I didn't know that.

As I'd like to read more about this, might I ask for your source?

The DSM-IV; Diagnostic and Statiscal Manual for Psychiatric Disorders, 4th edition Text Revision, published by the American Psychiatric Society.

The DSM-IV is the bible of psychiatric diagnosis. I'm a 3rd-year (soon to be 4th year) psych resident at LAC+USC so I'm fully of random disgusting facts like that.

The whole chapter on sexual disorders is super fascinating. I think I'm the only person in my class who read it because we really don't see any patients with any of these disorders...most of them go to jail if they're poor or get private sex therapists if they're rich. But darn if it isn't fascinating.

The thing about the DSM-IV is that it functions like a rigid checklist. "If they have this and this and this, but don't have this, then it's not bipolar." It's a bit ridiculous because there's so much variation among people that a clinician has to take all the factors into account and not rely solely on this stupid book.

The whole reason I'm mentioning that is because the definition of fetishes that I gave is the MEDICAL definition. The porn world has an entirely different definition, which is much looser. But I thought it would be interesting to contribute the de-facto medical definition to the thread.

@Zap!: You've got a point there. But I don't think everybody who steals panties wants to sniff them. Some men want to WEAR them (as in transvestic fetishism) but are too embarrassed to buy them.

@Mimi: Never use a clothsline to dry your undies in a public building. Nuff said. ;)

HappehLemons
04-18-2010, 02:11 AM
Sex for you is an attraction to genitalia? You've got a lot to learn about sex...

I said considered, but the act of sex is mainly stimulated by genitalia (by that it mean its where all the good feelings comes from, mimi). I was trying to explain that I don't think sex is a fetish because the pleasure of sex (Normal sex that is) comes from the genitalia and not any other type of outside source and since fetishes are "attraction" to non genitalia that would exclude it. But this is just how I'm interpreting everything.

Good job missing my point though, but I'm not surprised to be honest since you have a reputation for not understanding much.


Think you are confusing fetish and taboo. There are 'normal' fetishes and taboo ones, but those distinctions are purely cultural in context, specifically cultural norms - within them or outside of them. Personally, I think culture is all bullshit as far as behavior goes.

Probably, I always was under the impression that for something to be a fetish it had to be somewhat abnormal but looks like I'm wrong.




What the DSM-IV considers a fetish is a sexual attraction/preoccupation with either an inanimate object (ie-women's undergarments) or a part of the human body not generally considered erotic (such as a foot). Sexual arousal can ONLY occur in these people in the presence of or context of this object or body part. So if a person likes feet but likes to fuck in the more conventional sense, that's not a fetish.

A common psych boards question is "What is the most common crime committed by individuals with a diagnosis of fetishism?" The answer is always "theft", because the perverts commonly steal panties and bras off of clothes lines.

That just doesn't sound right to me. So lets say someone likes to get footf*cked, and it's one of the most incredible things for that person.. but he can still have sex without feet involved (but doesn't get turned on nearly as much, but still gets turned on) he doesn't have a fetish?

Mimi Nakamura
04-18-2010, 05:39 AM
I said considered, but the act of sex is mainly stimulated by genitalia (by that it mean its where all the good feelings comes from, mimi). I was trying to explain that I don't think sex is a fetish because the pleasure of sex (Normal sex that is) comes from the genitalia and not any other type of outside source and since fetishes are "attraction" to non genitalia that would exclude it. But this is just how I'm interpreting everything.

Good job missing my point though, but I'm not surprised to be honest since you have a reputation for not understanding much.

You're obviously not very experienced as you have next to no understanding of women. For us, sex is not purely physical, it's also a mental experience. In fact, I would say it's 50% physical, 50% mental. If sex was a purely physical experience, women would be quite happy with vibrators / sex toys, and sexual fetishes such as the ones mentioned in this thread wouldn't exist.

The "good feeling" isn't just a physical sensation, to say it doesn't come from "any other type of outside source" is an uneducated statement.

No doubt, you'll tell me how "I'm missing the point" again in your next response.

kedawa
04-18-2010, 07:12 AM
Even if it were entirely physical, there are erogenous zones beyond just reproductive organs.

Graham Mitchell
04-18-2010, 11:02 AM
That just doesn't sound right to me. So lets say someone likes to get footf*cked, and it's one of the most incredible things for that person.. but he can still have sex without feet involved (but doesn't get turned on nearly as much, but still gets turned on) he doesn't have a fetish?

Well, like I said, it's up to the clinician to take all those factors into account.

One of the things I didn't mention is that for fetishism to be considered a DISORDER it has to cause significant problems in social, occupational, or educational functioning. That's the medical definition.

I think a person probably can have a fetish in the situation you described but the DSM-IV won't recognize it (and insurance companies won't cover it ;) ) if the person can have sex by normal means.

Personally, I think some things in the DSM-IV are ridiculous and in some cases, it has as much validity as a grocery store romance novel. I've even gotten in serious trouble in residency for making "demeaning comments" about the DSM-IV in residency during case presentations. (I think the guy who got mad at me was on the DSM-IV drafting committee or something.)

HappehLemons
04-18-2010, 04:20 PM
You're obviously not very experienced as you have next to no understanding of women. For us, sex is not purely physical, it's also a mental experience. In fact, I would say it's 50% physical, 50% mental. If sex was a purely physical experience, women would be quite happy with vibrators / sex toys, and sexual fetishes such as the ones mentioned in this thread wouldn't exist.

The "good feeling" isn't just a physical sensation, to say it doesn't come from "any other type of outside source" is an uneducated statement.

No doubt, you'll tell me how "I'm missing the point" again in your next response.

You're right, because understanding the female anatomy directly relates to how much experience you have with women. Seems like every post you make responding to something I said is stab at me. You're not really missing my point I just don't know how to explain my reasoning to why I don't think sex is a fetish very well. I'm well aware of how physical and mental stimulation of sex play a part for women but I don't think you're trying to explain or have a conversation about anything in your posts.


Even if it were entirely physical, there are erogenous zones beyond just reproductive organs.

That's true. As I said above my reasoning is pretty flawed. But I still don't think sex itself is a fetish.

Mimi Nakamura
04-18-2010, 07:37 PM
You're right, because understanding the female anatomy directly relates to how much experience you have with women.

No, but sex does. You know, sex, the topic that we were discussing. Sex.



Seems like every post you make responding to something I said is stab at me.

Ahem... wasn't the following quote directed at me before I responded?


Good job missing my point though, but I'm not surprised to be honest since you have a reputation for not understanding much.


I'm well aware of how physical and mental stimulation of sex play a part for women but I don't think you're trying to explain or have a conversation about anything in your posts.

And you are? You do remember what you posted right? I responded directly to your misinformed post. The one where you spoke condescendingly about where you thought the "good feelings" came from. Here it is again:


I said considered, but the act of sex is mainly stimulated by genitalia (by that it mean its where all the good feelings comes from, mimi). I was trying to explain that I don't think sex is a fetish because the pleasure of sex (Normal sex that is) comes from the genitalia and not any other type of outside source and since fetishes are "attraction" to non genitalia that would exclude it. But this is just how I'm interpreting everything.

Richter Belmount
04-18-2010, 08:01 PM
Somehow you always manage to get into a mexican standoff with everyone pointing at you and you being the only opposition >_>.

ScourDX
04-18-2010, 08:13 PM
One question for Mimi. Do Japanese women digg black men? What is this has to do with Rapelay? Well nothing.

Mimi Nakamura
04-18-2010, 08:25 PM
One question for Mimi. Do Japanese women digg black men? What is this has to do with Rapelay? Well nothing.

Very off topic.

But, why wouldn't Japanese girls be into Black guys?

kedawa
04-18-2010, 09:02 PM
Are japanese men into black women?

DonMarco
04-19-2010, 01:23 AM
The population of Japan is 98.5% Japanese. The remaining 1.8 million or so is .5% Korean, .5% Chinese and .6% Other. That 720,000 "Other" is your White, Hispanic, African and so on.

1 in 168 or so. In a full 767 Jumbo Jet would only have two people who were not Japanese. The years I was living there, I think I looked it up at being around 25000 American residents. Meaning finding an American living in Japan is 1 every 4,800. So imagine walking around Comic-con and being one of the 30 Americans in attendance. Getting an idea for how damn rare you would feel living in Japan?

So Japanese being in to black? Statistically speaking, it's a slim chance anyone they'd ever meet romantically would be black. Which would make any non-Japanese person a "catch" almost to the point of being singled out and hunted down as a status symbol.

Richter Belmount
04-19-2010, 01:35 AM
No, but sex does. You know, sex, the topic that we were discussing. Sex.




Ahem... wasn't the following quote directed at me before I responded?





And you are? You do remember what you posted right? I responded directly to your misinformed post. The one where you spoke condescendingly about where you thought the "good feelings" came from. Here it is again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLKnCeeAW48



I really dont see the difference

JSoup
04-19-2010, 02:48 AM
Very off topic.

But, why wouldn't Japanese girls be into Black guys?

Because a large portion of Japanese culture shows a dislike of black people?

Zap!
04-19-2010, 03:06 AM
Because a large portion of Japanese culture shows a dislike of black people?

I'm not sure if it's true or not, but a while back a Korean friend told me they are pretty nationalist, and he may even face discrimination.

Mimi Nakamura
04-19-2010, 03:14 AM
The population of Japan is 98.5% Japanese. The remaining 1.8 million or so is .5% Korean, .5% Chinese and .6% Other. That 720,000 "Other" is your White, Hispanic, African and so on.

1 in 168 or so. In a full 767 Jumbo Jet would only have two people who were not Japanese. The years I was living there, I think I looked it up at being around 25000 American residents. Meaning finding an American living in Japan is 1 every 4,800. So imagine walking around Comic-con and being one of the 30 Americans in attendance. Getting an idea for how damn rare you would feel living in Japan?

So Japanese being in to black? Statistically speaking, it's a slim chance anyone they'd ever meet romantically would be black. Which would make any non-Japanese person a "catch" almost to the point of being singled out and hunted down as a status symbol.

LOL interesting logic.

There are not so many foreigners living in Japan when compared to the West, but in Tokyo I see foreigners of every type every time I step outside. I take it you didn't live in Tokyo? In the countryside foreigners are non-existent!

Being rare doesn't make you wanted though, you've gotta be good-looking too! I mean, have you seen the state of some of the Westerners that live here... I'm sure you were joking anyway :-)

It's a bit of a stereotype that Japanese girls who date foreigners are the ones who can't get Japanese guys. I'd say it's only 75% true though.

Mimi Nakamura
04-19-2010, 03:18 AM
Because a large portion of Japanese culture shows a dislike of black people?

Really?

http://vimeo.com/9724417

ubersaurus
04-19-2010, 03:29 AM
My friend Nick is black and has lived in Japan for several years now; Japanese girls like him as well as any other girls seem to. And yet, despite all odds, he ended up dating another American while he's been there! Go figure.

There's a general degree of racial insensitivity based on the stories I've heard from him (and hell, my white friends who've lived there) but nothing along the lines of outright dislike by the general populace.

boatofcar
04-19-2010, 04:00 AM
Because a large portion of Japanese culture shows a dislike of black people?

Have you ever been to Japan? Stereotyping ftw.

Richter Belmount
04-19-2010, 04:16 AM
Stereotyping ftw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-cc4QOzqs0

Also do japanese people feel guilt? Is there air in japan? And are there toilets in japan?

Icarus Moonsight
04-19-2010, 04:24 AM
Are japanese men into black women?

In a somewhat recent interracial dating and marriage study/survey; Asian male/Black female was indicated as the rarest interracial coupling. That survey was limited to a US residential sample though, IIRC. Population percentages come into play. Most common (by pure numbers) were White male/Asian female and Black male/White female. Black females were indicated as being the most likely of all groups to couple within their own race.

I don't put any stock or value into such things, and you can't really draw any worthwhile conclusions from it. But that is what the survey results found.

Video game fantasy rape scenarios to clinical definitions of fetishism to Japanese interracial dating... There must be a common thread between them all, somewhere. It all seems too related to have none. LOL

TonyTheTiger
04-19-2010, 11:09 AM
It's a bit of a stereotype that Japanese girls who date foreigners are the ones who can't get Japanese guys. I'd say it's only 75% true though.

If something is 75% true then it's pretty damn true. That means 3 out of every 4 Japanese girls with non-Japanese guys qualify.

boatofcar
04-19-2010, 12:46 PM
If something is 75% true then it's pretty damn true. That means 3 out of every 4 Japanese girls with non-Japanese guys qualify.

I don't know much about Japan, but in Korea, girls who went for foreign guys were usually more independent and less inclined to be dominated by Korean guys, which is usually how dating works in that country. Most of the girls who date foreign guys have also been abroad, can speak English well, and as a result are more intelligent, in addition to knowing what's in store in a relationship with a Korean guy.

However...when it comes to marriage, in my experience a lot of K-girls want to date foreign guys for "experience" but less inclined to tie the knot because of the difficulty of the conservative nature of Korea and its ties to family histories. Not to say that this is always the case, especially in big cities like Seoul, but it's definitely a factor in the southern, more traditional part of the country.

Edit: This has just been my observation, of course. If k8track is reading, he may be able to chime in with his own opinions of Korean girls.

duffmanth
04-19-2010, 08:28 PM
This game is fucked! Anyone who gets off playing these kinds of games is fucked in the head.

Aussie2B
04-20-2010, 01:26 PM
I recently saw a story on CNN about how guys, whether white, black, whatever, who would be generally considered not-so-great looking in the US or Cananda have been going to Japan and finding lots of women swooning over them. I don't know what percentage of those women would be interested in a long-term relationship, but I'm not surprised by the story. Ties back into the whole fetish for exoticism. For those that do enter relationships, I wonder what the percentage is for break-ups resulting from that "exotic" feeling fading away once that person and their culture becomes everyday normal life.

boatofcar
04-20-2010, 03:18 PM
I recently saw a story on CNN about how guys, whether white, black, whatever, who would be generally considered not-so-great looking in the US or Cananda have been going to Japan and finding lots of women swooning over them. I don't know what percentage of those women would be interested in a long-term relationship, but I'm not surprised by the story. Ties back into the whole fetish for exoticism. For those that do enter relationships, I wonder what the percentage is for break-ups resulting from that "exotic" feeling fading away once that person and their culture becomes everyday normal life.

I could write a similar story about the hordes of girls who would be considered good looking in the states and Canada, who go to Asia to teach English and develop a bitchy attitude towards guys because they don't get hit on anymore. In fact, that describes pretty much every single white girl I met in Korea, except for the ones who were into Korean guys.

EDIT: Do you have a link to that story? I'd like to check it out.

Aussie2B
04-22-2010, 02:26 PM
I saw the story on TV, but he's the write-up:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/03/02/japan.charisma.man.comic/index.html

I love the quote "Americans are rare in Japan. That's why they look good, even if they don't." haha.

Doesn't make much sense to me for white women to be whining about having a hard time getting a date in Asia if they're still only looking for Western men. If you place yourself in a place where you're an extreme minority and aren't willing to give the natives a shot, what do you expect? I'd imagine that the average Western guy would have a harder time finding a Western girl they'd want to date in Asia too. Plus these women need to look at it from a guy's point of view. These young guys stationed in Asia with the military or there for whatever other reason realize that their stay is only temporary, so they're going to want to, ahem, "explore". Once they get back to the West, they have all the time in the world to find a Western girl and settle down (assuming they don't end up bringing back an Asian wife).

TonyTheTiger
04-22-2010, 02:51 PM
I always think of Steven Seagal when this topic comes up. He's really an amazing man.

Richter Belmount
04-22-2010, 08:41 PM
I always think of Steven Seagal when this topic comes up. He's really an amazing man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTi0A3BF0i4

Mimi Nakamura
04-23-2010, 08:20 AM
I saw the story on TV, but he's the write-up:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/03/02/japan.charisma.man.comic/index.html

I love the quote "Americans are rare in Japan. That's why they look good, even if they don't." haha.

Doesn't make much sense to me for white women to be whining about having a hard time getting a date in Asia if they're still only looking for Western men. If you place yourself in a place where you're an extreme minority and aren't willing to give the natives a shot, what do you expect? I'd imagine that the average Western guy would have a harder time finding a Western girl they'd want to date in Asia too. Plus these women need to look at it from a guy's point of view. These young guys stationed in Asia with the military or there for whatever other reason realize that their stay is only temporary, so they're going to want to, ahem, "explore". Once they get back to the West, they have all the time in the world to find a Western girl and settle down (assuming they don't end up bringing back an Asian wife).

LOL at the article. It's about Roppongi - an area in Tokyo where unattractive Japanese girls (usually living in countryside cities neighbouring Tokyo), desperate for attention from the opposite sex, meet foreign men, also desperate for attention from the opposite sex.

When it comes to people, rarity does not equal attractiveness. If that was the case, Tibetan, Samoan, and Fijian men would be swimming in women every time they set foot on American soil!

boatofcar
04-23-2010, 02:30 PM
I saw the story on TV, but he's the write-up:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/03/02/japan.charisma.man.comic/index.html




Thanks for that. And, true to form, in the comments section you see the Western girls who live in Asia bitching about being ignored.